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European racism threatens World Cup Soccer.

Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 12:48
COMMENTARY: This can't be right! All this time I've been reading on here where America is the only place where racism happens, and now this! I am like, sooo disappointed!


Surge in Racist Mood
Raises Concerns on Eve of World Cup (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/04/sports/soccer/04racism.html?th&emc=th)


By JERE LONGMAN
Published: June 4, 2006
HAMBURG, Germany, June 3 — As he left the soccer field after a club match in the eastern German city of Halle on March 25, the Nigerian forward Adebowale Ogungbure was spit upon, jeered with racial remarks and mocked with monkey noises. In rebuke, he placed two fingers under his nose to simulate a Hitler mustache and thrust his arm in a Nazi salute.
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After making a Nazi salute, which is illegal in Germany, Ogungbure of Nigeria was investigated by the authorities. But a charge of unconstitutional behavior against him was soon dropped because his gesture had been meant to renounce extremist activity.

"I regret what I did," Ogungbure said in a telephone interview from Leipzig. "I should have walked away. I'm a professional, but I'm a human, too. They don't spit on dogs. Why should they spit on me? I felt like a nobody."
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In April, the American defender Oguchi Onyewu, playing for his professional club team in Belgium, dismissively gestured toward fans who were making simian chants at him. Then, as he went to throw the ball inbounds, Onyewu said a fan of the opposing team reached over a barrier and punched him in the face.
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Players and antiracism experts said they expected offensive behavior during the tournament, including monkey-like chanting; derisive singing; the hanging of banners that reflect neofascist and racist beliefs; and perhaps the tossing of bananas or banana peels, all familiar occurrences during matches in Spain, Italy, eastern Germany and eastern Europe.

[ EASTERN Europe? I thought Marxism stamped all that out! LOL! ]


[ Read the entire 3-page article (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/04/sports/soccer/04racism.html?th&emc=th). ]
Thriceaddict
04-06-2006, 13:04
*yawn* What else is new?

Edit: Although I find it disgusting, not really surprising.
Pepe Dominguez
04-06-2006, 13:10
Yeah, racism is often more overt in Europe than here, but I think the title of that article is a bit overkill.. how can racism "threaten" the World Cup, exactly? Would the games come to a halt if some fans hoot at black players (they will) or give the Nazi solute (some might)? No. The cameras will ignore it and most people in the stadium won't see it, so..
Refused Party Program
04-06-2006, 13:14
This can't be right! All this time I've been reading on here where America is the only place where racism happens...

Yeah...no you haven't.
Thriceaddict
04-06-2006, 13:16
Yeah, racism is often more overt in Europe than here, but I think the title of that article is a bit overkill.. how can racism "threaten" the World Cup, exactly? Would the games come to a halt if some fans hoot at black players (they will) or give the Nazi solute (some might)? No. The cameras will ignore it and most people in the stadium won't see it, so..
Yup, it's a bullshit title. This sort of stuff has been going on for the whole history of football. It really is nothing new.
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 13:17
Yeah...no you haven't.
Ohhhh, yes I have! Repeatedly! Some have even claimed that one of the reasons American soldiers "shoot anything that moves" is because they're "racist!"
Bunnyducks
04-06-2006, 13:17
COMMENTARY: This can't be right! All this time I've been reading on here where America is the only place where racism happens, and now this! I am like, sooo disappointed!


Yeah, people here are so mean towards America. Good thing you pointed that out. Again.
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 13:18
Yup, it's a bullshit title. This sort of stuff has been going on for the whole history of football. It really is nothing new.
So because it's been going on for so long and it's "confined" to football, it's ok? Hmmm. Interesting position that.
Sonaj
04-06-2006, 13:18
Fairly common all over the place. I guess they're just trying to psyche a player of the opposing team... AIK in Sween did the same thing to a goalie, though he laughed at them. The Black Army (AIK's supporters) were not happy :p
Refused Party Program
04-06-2006, 13:19
Ohhhh, yes I have! Repeatedly!

Quotes?

Some have even claimed that one of the reasons American soldiers "shoot anything that moves" is because they're "racist!"

Okay, so how does this imply that racism doesn't exist anywhere else?
Machiavellian Heaven
04-06-2006, 13:20
Soccer fans have been doing crazy during matches for time out of mind.
And no, unfortunately, is still alive and strong worldwide.
Thriceaddict
04-06-2006, 13:21
So because it's been going on for so long and it's "confined" to football, it's ok? Hmmm. Interesting position that.
Where do you see me saying it's okay? I just thought it was widely known that this was happening.
Skinny87
04-06-2006, 13:22
So there are racist idiots in Europe, drawn out by the nationalistic feelings caused by the World Cup.

What's the next astounding revelation? That the Pope is, perhaps, Catholic? Or that bears defecate in wooded areas?
Krakatao0
04-06-2006, 13:24
Ohhhh, yes I have! Repeatedly! Some have even claimed that one of the reasons American soldiers "shoot anything that moves" is because they're "racist!"
European racism is not opposed to American racism. To the contrary, it is European racist theories and practices that were exported to America that is the root cause of your racism. And, as your OP showed, we haven't yet gotten rid of that curse on this side of the pond either.
Kellarly
04-06-2006, 13:32
Yup, thats right Eut, racism exists in Europe. Big news there... I'm sure you're not that naive to believe that we're all good as gold? ;) As for reading the we're such goodie two shoes all over these boards, I present to you a poster called MyNordland. Find a post by him and theres proof enough that racism exists.

Next time Eut, don't tar us all with the same brush. Like most of us ever claim Europe all great and good :rolleyes:

Racism fears dog world cup build up (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5012182.stm)

Ogungbure Appeals to Fifa (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/africa/5008204.stm)

Footballers threaten to walk off when faced with racist abuse (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/africa/4743280.stm)

Problem is, the Authorities do fuck all about it...

Aragones fine laughable - Henry (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4317033.stm)

Spain 'fined' for racist chanting (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4110135.stm)

England could have walked (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/4029757.stm)

but it happens in England too...

Keeper complains of racist chants (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lincolnshire/4049277.stm)

Brown disappointed at FA inaction (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/g/gillingham/4895296.stm)

and Northern Ireland...

Foreign players forced to leave (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4922892.stm)

And the French...

PSG fans turn on each other (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_football/4828852.stm)

And the Italians...ohhhhh look a fascist

Player's 'fascist salute' probed (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4526230.stm)

From DW-welt.de

Can the World Cup Withstand Heated Race Debate? (http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2028586,00.html)

Racist Attacks Have Germany on Edge Ahead of World Cup (http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2030616,00.html)

The Creation of No-Go Areas in Germany (http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2030828,00.html)
Pepe Dominguez
04-06-2006, 13:33
So there are racist idiots in Europe, drawn out by the nationalistic feelings caused by the World Cup.

What's the next astounding revelation? That the Pope is, perhaps, Catholic? Or that bears defecate in wooded areas?

Our press here tends to gloss over/omit any negative information about Western Europe, especially the liberal media (not suggesting all media is liberal, but there are liberal mass-media outlets). Even if it isn't ever reported (until the recent French riots, at least), I don't think anyone was ever lead to believe racism didn't exist in Europe..
Demented Hamsters
04-06-2006, 13:34
COMMENTARY: This can't be right! All this time I've been reading on here where America is the only place where racism happens, and now this! I am like, sooo disappointed!
So let's get this straight:
Because of your selective reading, adept manipulation of other posters comments and hugely apparent chip on your shoulder about anyone's negative comments about the US, you have come to the conclusion that other posters have accused only the US of being racist.
I guess feeling this way gives your hair shirt that extra itchy feel.

Now you've found an article that shows that racist jerks live in other countries (shock horror! a NeoNazi living in Germany - who would have thunk it?!), this proves.....
what, exactly?

That the US doesn't have racists?
That ppl shouldn't complain about racist attacks in the US because there's racists in Germany?
That it's ok to be racist in the US because there's racists in Germany?

What exactly are you wanting to prove by ur op?

I'm just trying to follow where your 'logic' is leading you.
Jeruselem
04-06-2006, 13:37
Racists everywhere - and of course they are racist Nazis still in Germany.
Quandary
04-06-2006, 13:40
I suspect this thread was started with little thought and possibly in poor taste, no doubt due to someone feeling rather defensive. The issue, however, is serious. Any racism, any bigotry, any prejudice is a problem. The question should be how to solve it, not how to cast blame in supposedly new directions. Surely?

Enlightened people will oppose all forms of racism, regardless of where it originates. That's the difference between principle and jingoism. You measure everyone by the same standrads... and ask the hardest questions closest to home. Because that's where you are most responsible.
Quandary
04-06-2006, 13:41
Racists everywhere - and of course they are racist Nazis still in Germany.

"There" would be a wiser choice of words than "they". Most people are not. Too many people ignore those that are. Black and white unite.. makes grey. Just like reality.
Thriceaddict
04-06-2006, 13:49
Hey Eutrusca, you should start a newspaper or a tv company. You're really good at bullshit sensationalist propaganda. :D
Demented Hamsters
04-06-2006, 13:53
Hey Eutrusca, you should start a newspaper or a tv company. You're really good at bullshit sensationalist propaganda. :D
There's already one that puts out crapola like this. It's called Fox.
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 14:01
Quotes?

Okay, so how does this imply that racism doesn't exist anywhere else?
"Quotes?" You think I make a copy of every comment people make on here that I might want to quote later? Get real.

That was never my implication. I was trying to point out that despite the impression some on here try to give that racism only exists in America, it exists in Europe and elsewhere.
Thriceaddict
04-06-2006, 14:02
"Quotes?" You think I make a copy of every comment people make on here that I might want to quote later? Get real.

That was never my implication. I was trying to point out that despite the impression some on here try to give that racism only exists in America, it exists in Europe and elsewhere.
Ah, so it's the persecution complex again?
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 14:04
European racism is not opposed to American racism. To the contrary, it is European racist theories and practices that were exported to America that is the root cause of your racism. And, as your OP showed, we haven't yet gotten rid of that curse on this side of the pond either.
Ah! An intelligent response. What a refreshing change from most of the defensive and/or flaming responses so far. Thank you! :)
Refused Party Program
04-06-2006, 14:06
"Quotes?" You think I make a copy of every comment people make on here that I might want to quote later? Get real.

Surely you can find one recent example?


I was trying to point out that despite the impression some on here try to give that racism only exists in America, it exists in Europe and elsewhere.

Seriously, who has given this impression?
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 14:07
So let's get this straight:
Because of your selective reading, adept manipulation of other posters comments and hugely apparent chip on your shoulder about anyone's negative comments about the US, you have come to the conclusion that other posters have accused only the US of being racist.
I guess feeling this way gives your hair shirt that extra itchy feel.

Now you've found an article that shows that racist jerks live in other countries (shock horror! a NeoNazi living in Germany - who would have thunk it?!), this proves.....
what, exactly?

That the US doesn't have racists?
That ppl shouldn't complain about racist attacks in the US because there's racists in Germany?
That it's ok to be racist in the US because there's racists in Germany?

What exactly are you wanting to prove by ur op?

I'm just trying to follow where your 'logic' is leading you.
It's an intellect thing. You wouldn't understand. :D

The only point I was making ( and you SHOULD have been able to figure this out ) is that those who live in glass houses should be careful throwing stones.
Refused Party Program
04-06-2006, 14:10
The only point I was making ( and you SHOULD have been able to figure this out ) is that those who live in glass houses should be careful throwing stones.

So your ultimate premise is that we should ignore racism in the USA because it happens in Europe as well? Or that people who do not reside in the US should only express their opinions regarding their own local issues? Or is it that everytime one expressed an opinion which paints the US in a negative light, one must garnish the post with examples of the same such issue in one's own region?

Help me out, here.
Greyenivol Colony
04-06-2006, 14:12
This thread is stupid. I could expand, and say how racism is an endemic problem throughout the world, but then Eutrusca would reply by saying something stupid and the cycle would continue...
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 14:12
I suspect this thread was started with little thought and possibly in poor taste, no doubt due to someone feeling rather defensive.
You don't know me, so don't even go there. With 26 posts, chances are you don't know the history behind this. Some on here hate everything America is and does and will use anything and everything they can dredge up to make her look bad. An article about European racism was just too good to pass up. Why on earth would that be "tasteless?" M'thinks your feelings are waaay to sensitive.

The issue, however, is serious. Any racism, any bigotry, any prejudice is a problem. The question should be how to solve it, not how to cast blame in supposedly new directions. Surely?

Enlightened people will oppose all forms of racism, regardless of where it originates. That's the difference between principle and jingoism. You measure everyone by the same standrads... and ask the hardest questions closest to home. Because that's where you are most responsible.
Exactly! Which is why it was important for me to point out that people who live in glass houses should think before throwing stones. :)
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 14:13
Hey Eutrusca, you should start a newspaper or a tv company. You're really good at bullshit sensationalist propaganda. :D
And you're really good at avoiding the issues. You would probably make an excellent politician. :D
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 14:14
Ah, so it's the persecution complex again?
You'd have one too if people you don't know constantly attacked you because you love your country.
Refused Party Program
04-06-2006, 14:16
You'd have one too if people you don't know constantly attacked you because you love your country.

http://members.roadfly.org/viv/AwJeezNotThisSheetAgain1.jpg
Demented Hamsters
04-06-2006, 14:16
It's an intellect thing. You wouldn't understand. :D

The only point I was making ( and you SHOULD have been able to figure this out ) is that those who live in glass houses should be careful throwing stones.
Ohhh...great comeback. I ask you some questions and the only reply you can give is to tell me I'm an idiot.

great work there. Tell me - did you think of that insult all by your little yourself? You did? Ohh...You must feel very proud.
Egg and chips
04-06-2006, 14:17
I oppose European and American racists equally.

Surely you've seen all the BNP threads floating around...
Kanabia
04-06-2006, 14:18
Ah, Eut threads are always good for a laugh.

Even more so with the participation of the Refused Party Program.

*leans back in chair and chortles*
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 14:20
So your ultimate premise is that we should ignore racism in the USA because it happens in Europe as well? Or that people who do not reside in the US should only express their opinions regarding their own local issues? Or is it that everytime one expressed an opinion which paints the US in a negative light, one must garnish the post with examples of the same such issue in one's own region?

Help me out, here.
After reading what you say in this post, I suspect you're beyond help. :)

What part of the phrase "people who live in glass houses should be careful about throwing stones" don't you understand? People whose backyards are full of trash display incredible arrogance when they constantly complain about the lack of lawncare in their neighbor's yards. Don't be so quick and eager to criticise what other countries do when your own country does the same things.
Thriceaddict
04-06-2006, 14:21
You'd have one too if people you don't know constantly attacked you because you love your country.
Yeah except for the fact that I wouldn't start threads with the bullshit assumption that you or anyone else acted ike a saint. There's never been any denying of this occurring.
Monkeypimp
04-06-2006, 14:22
Why are you trying to pretend football racism is new just because you've only discovered it now? It has been a scurge of the sport in Europe for decades. Other world cups have got on fine despite it.
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 14:23
http://members.roadfly.org/viv/AwJeezNotThisSheetAgain1.jpg
Make fun all you want, but any American who participates on this board knows that "America-bashing" is the favorite sport.
Refused Party Program
04-06-2006, 14:23
Don't be so quick and eager to criticise what other countries do when your own country does the same things.

Why not? If we're discussing a specific issue regarding, for example, the UK I wouldn't expect you to bring up details about the US. Or should I be expecting you to ignore the issue completely as you're not a UK resident? Or maybe I should expect you to type more slowly, pondering each word as you do so?
Skinny87
04-06-2006, 14:23
After reading what you say in this post, I suspect you're beyond help. :)

What part of the phrase "people who live in glass houses should be careful about throwing stones" don't you understand? People whose backyards are full of trash display incredible arrogance when they constantly complain about the lack of lawncare in their neighbor's yards. Don't be so quick and eager to criticise what other countries do when your own country does the same things.

So basically you're saying that European's can't criticise the US because of the racism they have in their countries? So just because we have racists, we can't criticise your racists? Or did you miss the posts/threads where we Europeans attack/criticise our own racists?

Criticism of the US, as well as Europe, will continue. There won't be any stopping of that, and European's will be doing a lot of the criticism.
Skinny87
04-06-2006, 14:24
Make fun all you want, but any American who participates on this board knows that "America-bashing" is the favorite sport.

'There is no smoke without fire'

There's usually a reason for all the criticism, you know...
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 14:25
Ohhh...great comeback. I ask you some questions and the only reply you can give is to tell me I'm an idiot.

great work there. Tell me - did you think of that insult all by your little yourself? You did? Ohh...You must feel very proud.
Uh ... you did read the entire post did you not? I mean, you even quoted the whole thing. Or perhaps the first word in your nation's name is more descriptive than we thought?
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 14:26
Ah, Eut threads are always good for a laugh.

Even more so with the participation of the Refused Party Program.

*leans back in chair and chortles*
It's somehow comforting to know that I amuse you. :)
Refused Party Program
04-06-2006, 14:27
Make fun all you want, but any American who participates on this board knows that "America-bashing" is the favorite sport.

Very well, I shall ask a Canadian whether they feel that their nation is disproportionately criticised on these fora.
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 14:28
Yeah except for the fact that I wouldn't start threads with the bullshit assumption that you or anyone else acted ike a saint. There's never been any denying of this occurring.
LOL! Either your're missing the entire point, or you're being deliberately disengenuous. :p
Thriceaddict
04-06-2006, 14:28
Uh ... you did read the entire post did you not? I mean, you even quoted the whole thing. Or perhaps the first word in your nation's name is more descriptive than we thought?
Now who is the politician? Mudslinging seems to be your favourite passtime.
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 14:29
Why are you trying to pretend football racism is new just because you've only discovered it now? It has been a scurge of the sport in Europe for decades. Other world cups have got on fine despite it.
Where did I say it was "new?" Hmmm? All I did was quote the article.
Skinny87
04-06-2006, 14:34
Very well, I shall ask a Canadian whether they feel that their nation is disproportionately criticised on these fora.

Why would Canada get criticised disproportionately? Canada's never done anything to piss other people off, unlike her southern neighbour.
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 14:35
Very well, I shall ask a Canadian whether they feel that their nation is disproportionately criticised on these fora.
Oh, brother! :rolleyes:
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 14:36
Now who is the politician? Mudslinging seems to be your favourite passtime.
LOL! Physician, heal thyself! :D
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 14:38
Why would Canada get criticised disproportionately? Canada's never done anything to piss other people off, unlike her southern neighbour.
Canada's too small ( population and military ) to have done much of anything at all. No matter what America does, some people somewhere are going to get pissed off. That's one of the major reasons I think the US should just do what we think is right and ignore the ranting.
Thriceaddict
04-06-2006, 14:39
Where did I say it was "new?" Hmmm? All I did was quote the article.
Maybe if you had left out the comment that suggested we denied this happening it would have been a good thread. Now however....
Refused Party Program
04-06-2006, 14:39
Why would Canada get criticised disproportionately? Canada's never done anything to piss other people off, unlike her southern neighbour.

Why indeed? Maybe it would be better to subtsitute Canada for Mexico.
Demented Hamsters
04-06-2006, 14:45
http://sperone.free.fr/images/extraz/femmes.jpg
"Hey, Look! Eutrusca's posting another 'everyone disses America' thread"
"Aww..I remember the first time he made one of those. It was just before my 14th birthday."
Kanabia
04-06-2006, 14:54
http://sperone.free.fr/images/extraz/femmes.jpg
"Hey, Look! Eutrusca's posting another 'everyone disses America' thread"
"Aww..I remember the first time he made one of those. It was just before my 14th birthday."

Which one are you?
Hydesland
04-06-2006, 14:55
Well, germany is an exception, DEY R TEH NAZIS n00bs! RMEMBER!:p
Demented Hamsters
04-06-2006, 15:10
Which one are you?
The one sitting next to you, of course.
Xantini
04-06-2006, 15:26
[ EASTERN Europe? I thought Marxism stamped all that out! LOL! ]
Sometimes I think that everybody from Germany westwards just wants everything from Germany Eastwards to vanish.
Nadkor
04-06-2006, 18:41
Eut, no offence, but you're a stupid little troll and it's getting rather tiring.
Deep Kimchi
04-06-2006, 18:43
Yup, thats right Eut, racism exists in Europe. Big news there... I'm sure you're not that naive to believe that we're all good as gold? ;) As for reading the we're such goodie two shoes all over these boards, I present to you a poster called MyNordland. Find a post by him and theres proof enough that racism exists.

Next time Eut, don't tar us all with the same brush. Like most of us ever claim Europe all great and good :rolleyes:

Not that I don't think this is a stupid thread, but while Europe doesn't claim to be all great and good, it does claim to be better at most things than the US.

Of course, all that is like bragging about how great you are at sex - a rather pointless and witless discussion.

You're only as good as your last fuck, I always say. What you did before that in terms of "greatness" is immaterial. No one is going to find a country, political party, or religion that is free from the taint of stupidity.
Yootopia
04-06-2006, 18:48
Racism exists everywhere... next in the news - Elton John found to be gay!
Similization
04-06-2006, 18:56
Not that I don't think this is a stupid thread, but while Europe doesn't claim to be all great and good, it does claim to be better at most things than the US.Hardly. I think perhaps your nationalist toes just feels a bit trot on.

Europe isn't "better at most things". The European countries just tends to do fewer bad things than the US these days, but then.. They wouldn't rightly be able to do some of the things the US does. I'm sure virtually every one of the European nations would love to establish global hegemony, there just isn't much point in trying.
Europa Maxima
04-06-2006, 22:32
Eut, no offence, but you're a stupid little troll and it's getting rather tiring.
Indeed he is. Look at the smarmy "thumbs down" icon he uses...the fossil is rendering himself idiotic. :rolleyes:
Europa Maxima
04-06-2006, 22:34
Hardly. I think perhaps your nationalist toes just feels a bit trot on.

Europe isn't "better at most things". The European countries just tends to do fewer bad things than the US these days, but then.. They wouldn't rightly be able to do some of the things the US does. I'm sure virtually every one of the European nations would love to establish global hegemony, there just isn't much point in trying.
I for one would love for the collective force of European nations under a confederal EU to become the de facto world power. Maybe I'm a Euro-nationalist. I don't mind. :)
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 22:44
Eut, no offence, but you're a stupid little troll and it's getting rather tiring.
Poor baby. Tsk. :D
Eutrusca
04-06-2006, 22:46
Indeed he is. Look at the smarmy "thumbs down" icon he uses...the fossil is rendering himself idiotic. :rolleyes:
Now I remember why I use to have you on "ignore." Well, even a neonate can contribute something, even if only humorous diversion.
Nodinia
04-06-2006, 23:25
COMMENTARY: This can't be right! All this time I've been reading on here where America is the only place where racism happens, and now this!]

I don't recall anything of the sort. I do recall being told on numerous occassions that if it wasnt for America (blah blah blah) and that the French were cowards, and something about the weapons turning up "anyday now" .........though that was a year or more ago.....


Ohhhh, yes I have! Repeatedly! Some have even claimed that one of the reasons American soldiers "shoot anything that moves" is because they're "racist!"!]

Some of them probably are. Thats not what you described with your earlier comment which says that somebody claimed that racism is the sole preserve of America.
Theres certainly a great deal of Islamophobic feeling amongst the right and certain elements in America - in way that seems far more widespread than in Europe. But thats what happens when you create a mythical monster, I suppose....


That was never my implication. I was trying to point out that despite the impression some on here try to give that racism only exists in America, it exists in Europe and elsewhere.!"!]

It was. And we know that. The American flagwaving bunch are the ones usually trying to convince us that the sun shines out an American arse though.

The only point I was making ( and you SHOULD have been able to figure this out ) is that those who live in glass houses should be careful throwing stones.
.!"!]

Actually thats the entire problem with America. Its that high horse etc

Some on here hate everything America is and does and will use anything and everything they can dredge up to make her look bad.!"!]

"dredge" implies effort in finding. "make her look bad" implies that its hard to do so. Sponsoring death squads in Gutamala. See? Fucken easy as that.
Neu Leonstein
05-06-2006, 01:36
Sometimes I think that everybody from Germany westwards just wants everything from Germany Eastwards to vanish.
http://gibt1.de/gallery2/d/395-2/honecker.jpg

As for Eut, dude, that's just poor. I believe I made two threads about this topic in the past month or so, and there were others before that. So don't pretend I'm not admitting that there is racism and all that crap at home.
You see, when someone criticises my country, I see whether the argument has merit. When someone criticises your country...well, you see what happens.
New Zero Seven
05-06-2006, 01:46
Not surprising, the racism that is. Europe for the most part is pretty homogenous, depending on which country you are in. So lack of racial diversity and/or exposure leads to ignorant/racist beliefs that lead to "we" are better than "them" attitudes.

Soccer uniting the world eh? Sure... depends on how you look at it.
Nadkor
05-06-2006, 01:48
Poor baby. Tsk. :D
*Sigh*

When are you going to grow up, Eut?
Neu Leonstein
05-06-2006, 01:52
Not surprising, the racism that is...
If you care, the German magazine "Spiegel" has an English site, and they've been going into this for weeks now.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,416904,00.html
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,418617,00.html
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,418744,00.html
IDF
05-06-2006, 03:07
Fairly common all over the place. I guess they're just trying to psyche a player of the opposing team... AIK in Sween did the same thing to a goalie, though he laughed at them. The Black Army (AIK's supporters) were not happy :p
Given the attitude of the idiots on your continent of dismissing this, I can no see why 6 million of my people are dead.

FUCK YOU EUROPE!!!:upyours:
Neu Leonstein
05-06-2006, 03:08
Given the attitude of the idiots on your continent of dismissing this, I can no see why 6 million of my people are dead.
You get a big, fat :rolleyes: .
I V Stalin
05-06-2006, 03:16
Given the attitude of the idiots on your continent of dismissing this, I can no see why 6 million of my people are dead.

FUCK YOU EUROPE!!!:upyours:
Of course we're dismissing it - which is why most countries have national campaigns to tackle racism...

Just because we don't make a song and dance about the issue doesn't mean we're ignoring it. I'd rather quietly get rid of racism than make it a massive public issue to do so, because the latter is more likely to cause racist opinions to become widespread.
Squornshelous
05-06-2006, 03:19
Yup, it's a bullshit title. This sort of stuff has been going on for the whole history of football. It really is nothing new.

This is just the American media being their typical alarmist self. Pay it no attention.
Skinny87
05-06-2006, 03:24
Given the attitude of the idiots on your continent of dismissing this, I can no see why 6 million of my people are dead.

FUCK YOU EUROPE!!!:upyours:

...


Wait...what? How does accepting that there is racism in Europe but not getting all excited about and trying to go against it compare to the Holocaust?
Katganistan
05-06-2006, 03:33
1) Everyone can stop with the personal attacks NOW.
And now that that's out of the way...
2) Certainly I can understand Eutrusca's opinion that America is constantly getting bashed -- all one needs do is look at the first page and there's at least a 60% chance of some thread referring to American arrogance, stupidity, ignorance of the rest of the world, or obesity. And yet, if any of these qualities are ascribed to OTHER nations, it's an attack, whereas if they are ascribed to the US, it's pointing out facts. That seems rather an enormous double standard.

Bring up anything in European history and it's dismissed as old news. Bring up anything in US history and it's proof of the arrogance, stupidity, etc. of the average American.

3) There certainly does appear to me to be a good deal of dismissal of problems on the Eastern side of the Atlantic when they are brought up, but a lot of glee in pointing out the same problems on the Western side of the Atlantic. I mean after all, assaulting players of other soccer teams because of skin color seems absurd to Americans, because it's not tolerated here. Dismissing it as old news seems rather calloused as well as definitely giving the impression that it's acceptable since nobody particularly gives a hoot about it. And then folks are surprised that Americans feel like some Europeans are on their high horse regarding racism, ethics and morals when this is "just the way it is" with football?

The attitude in my opinion erodes a good deal of the moral high ground some claim to hold here....

No, it doesn't excuse the wrongs that are correctly ascribed to America. But don't pretend your feces smell like roses, either.
Katganistan
05-06-2006, 03:33
FUCK YOU EUROPE!!!:upyours:

Knock it off.
IDF
05-06-2006, 03:37
Knock it off.
I'm sorry for hating a continent that condemned my people to death.
Nadkor
05-06-2006, 03:42
all one needs do is look at the first page and there's at least a 60% chance of some thread referring to American arrogance, stupidity, ignorance of the rest of the world, or obesity. And yet, if any of these qualities are ascribed to OTHER nations, it's an attack, whereas if they are ascribed to the US, it's pointing out facts. That seems rather an enormous double standard.

Bring up anything in European history and it's dismissed as old news. Bring up anything in US history and it's proof of the arrogance, stupidity, etc. of the average American.

Oh dear, not you as well...

That is, frankly, crap. And I think you know it. Now, there's one reason why it may seem like the US get's based more and it's this:

To treat Europe as one homogenous group is wrong; it's a collection of many fully independent states. A European poster may be quick to defend the actions of their own country, but not so quick to defend the actions of another European country. However, the US is a homogenous entity (or at least a hell of a lot more homogenous), so US posters are quicker to defend the US as a whole, which leads to threads about the US staying around longer, which means they get more attention.

So it's not that the US gets bashed more than Europe, its that there is not the same type of single entity or identity (among most) in Europe, but the individual countries will get attacked enough that when added together it would equal, or excede, the US.

And you don't see us "Europeans" bitching with threads every now and then saying "Quit attacking Europe" (or something along those lines).
Nadkor
05-06-2006, 03:43
I'm sorry for hating a continent that condemned my people to death.

I was born 41 years after the end of WW2 in Europe, so cannot be attributed with any blame for anything that happened. Why is it logical to hate me?
Neu Leonstein
05-06-2006, 04:54
I was born 41 years after the end of WW2 in Europe, so cannot be attributed with any blame for anything that happened. Why is it logical to hate me?
Because it helps him to define himself and his place in the world. Which is, incidentally, also a reason many racists are the way they are.

That comment was uncalled for, and he should think for a moment about what he's trying to say.
New Zero Seven
05-06-2006, 04:58
Doesn't it just suck when a person has no purpose to hate a certain group of people only because they feel threatened and insecure about their own self in this world?
IDF
05-06-2006, 05:33
Because it helps him to define himself and his place in the world. Which is, incidentally, also a reason many racists are the way they are.

That comment was uncalled for, and he should think for a moment about what he's trying to say.
I'm quite secure about my place in the world. I believe my hate for the continent of Europe (note not Europeans, but rather the continent) is quite justified. This is a continent that has tried to kill my people since Rome sacked Jerusalem in 67. They continued this for 2 millenia. It isn't the ancient history though that causes my hate for Europe.

It is the recent history. The Holocaust to be exact. The Germans came up with the plan. Many of those conquered supported the idea. The Poles gladly helped in round up Jews. After all, Poland had been persecuting the Jews for centuries. Many Jews were still forced to live in ghettos by the Poles before Germany invaded. The Poles had a long standing hatred for the Jews.

The Vichy French gladly helped the Germans round up and kill Jews. This shouldn't be surprised given how the French openly displayed anti-semitism during the Dreyfus affair. Little had changed even today as a high ranking French ambassador recently referred to Israel as a "shitty little country."

The Romanians gladly participated as did many other Eastern European territories captured by Germany from the USSR. Once again, this is no surprise since the people of these areas proudly partook in pogroms.

The Dutch and Belgians didn't help the Jews. Remember, Anne Frank was sold out by some Dutch who gladly told the Germans where some Jews were hiding.

Italy was obviously an ally of Germany and sent the Jews to death camps in Germany.

The Baltic states helped the Germans round up Jews.

The British even contributed. They knew what was going on, yet they still made The White Paper law and rounded up Jews who they deemed as illegal in "Palestine" and sent them back to Germany. They knew what was happening, but that still didn't stop them from turning back many Aliyah Bet ships, sending them to Germany. The British Navy deliberately used destroyers, that should've been hunting U-boats, to stop the Jews.

Today, there is no mass murder, but anti-semitism is on the rise. Many Jewish cemetaries have come under attack in France recently. Buses used by Jewish schools have even been firebombed. Anti-semitism is in European blood. It has gone into hiding for a while, but is resurfacing once again as it has for 2 millenia.

http://www.rjgeib.com/biography/europe/germany/holocaust.jpg
http://www.wikinfo.org/upload/1/1f/Holocaust.jpg

I can't show your worse because it would violate forum rules.
IDF
05-06-2006, 05:35
I will say though I have nothing against the Danes The Danish people went out of their way to protect their Jewish population. The actions of the Danes compared with the rest of the continent show me that the Holocaust could've been protected if the people cared at all about their Jewish population.
Neu Leonstein
05-06-2006, 05:42
I believe my hate for the continent of Europe (note not Europeans, but rather the continent) is quite justified.
That doesn't even make sense.

-Nazi-related Stuff-
As was said before...what do I have to do with that? I can consider it a historical responsibility to make sure it doesn't happen again, and I do.
But I don't think I can be made responsible for what happened personally.

Today, there is no mass murder, but anti-semitism is on the rise.
Then find those who feel that way and confront them! I certainly do. But I don't think there are all that many here who you can accuse of being antisemites.

Anti-semitism is in European blood.
That's silly. Blood doesn't contain sentiments or ideologies.
Every time something happens to Jews in Europe, there is public outrage, sometimes more, sometimes less. When a Jewish man was recently kidnapped and tortured to death in France (not sure whether they found that antisemitic motive, but I'd expect it) hundreds of thousands came out in a public demonstration against antisemitism. Say what you will, it is not widespread, and it's not accepted by society.

The French Council of Jews has condemned Sharon's statements about France not being safe for Jews as completely unreasonable and unnecessary. Not sure whether they would've reported that on US News though.

And besides, this whole thing is about Racism, ie against people who are black, or Arabic, not antisemitism.

I can't show your worse because it would violate forum rules.
And even if you could, it would not make your argument any stronger.
Snakastan
05-06-2006, 05:50
And you don't see us "Europeans" bitching with threads every now and then saying "Quit attacking Europe" (or something along those lines).
Thats because Europeans really have no reason too. Europe is rarely criticized on the forums compared to the United State. It isn't an opinion, it's a fact. I believe that Katganistan was spot on in his assessment on the behavior of many forum members in relation to the United States and Europe. And in a way, your attack on Eutrusca can be seen in away as bitching about an anti-European thread.

I think everyone on this forum should get of their moral high horses and do some badly needed self-reflection.
LaLaland0
05-06-2006, 05:52
I don't know how many of you remember this, but a few years ago there was a lot of noise coming out of europe that showed race problems. The latest, greatest riots in Paris were race related. This should not come as a surprise at all.
Neu Leonstein
05-06-2006, 06:11
I don't know how many of you remember this, but a few years ago there was a lot of noise coming out of europe that showed race problems.
And I also remember thread after thread about Europe, and France in particular, breaking apart, and how they deserved what's coming to them. To say that Europe doesn't get the criticism on these pages is a blatant lie.

As for the French riots, I don't think they were so much race-related as they were social and economical in nature. That this seems to divide people along race lines is a sign of the poor job the French economic model does.
LaLaland0
05-06-2006, 06:25
And I also remember thread after thread about Europe, and France in particular, breaking apart, and how they deserved what's coming to them. To say that Europe doesn't get the criticism on these pages is a blatant lie.
No, it really isn't. This is the first anti-Europe thread that I've ever seen on these forums. I understand that I haven't been here for all that long, but you guys are way more obsessed with the US and what were doing than anything happening in Europe.

As for the French riots, I don't think they were so much race-related as they were social and economical in nature. That this seems to divide people along race lines is a sign of the poor job the French economic model does.
One of the major problems that these people have is that the traditional French population isn't accepting the immigrants (who are mostly islamic) into the mainstream population. This leads to the social issues, but the fact that there is the general air of intolerance when it comes to "outsiders" in urban France is the reason why there are the economic problems. If you don't respect or trust them, they aren't going to trust the social or economic ladder.
Neu Leonstein
05-06-2006, 06:34
No, it really isn't. This is the first anti-Europe thread that I've ever seen on these forums. I understand that I haven't been here for all that long, but you guys are way more obsessed with the US and what were doing than anything happening in Europe.
The top political topic is usually either Iraq or Iran. The US will ultimately be involved with those two. As for Bush, well, that has more to do with the...unique nature of the man. Clinton was before my time here, but I'd assume that anti-Clinton threads were fewer than there are anti-Bush threads today.
But do I need to crawl through the archives and find you all the threads about current issues that concern Europe? Because you can rest assured that either Deep Kimchi, or Eutrusca, or one of the others here will post it as soon as they hear about it. Hell, what about the "outlawing knives" thread from a few days ago?

One of the major problems that these people have is that the traditional French population isn't accepting the immigrants (who are mostly islamic) into the mainstream population.
The reasons are a lot more complex than that, but attitudes on both sides ultimately play the biggest part in it.
But if you ask me, France is a ruin anyways.
Kinda Sensible people
05-06-2006, 06:37
Make fun all you want, but any American who participates on this board knows that "America-bashing" is the favorite sport.

Funny, I reside in the US of A and I was pretty sure that the favorite sport of NSG was empty rhetoric and political hackery.

It is not fair to say, "Don't critiscise us because you have problems too." Europe has made an effort to confront it's racists in ways the United States simply has not. Europe has, at times, gone too far and supressed the free expression of opiunion, but it has made an effort. That said, the football hooligan type of racist bastard is different from the average American Racist. American Racists are at once both more subtle, and more blatant.

If you were speaking to a racist, or to someone who wouldn't oppose racism, then it would be ok to say they could not throw stones, but Europe makes an honest effort. People just suck, that's all.
Demented Hamsters
05-06-2006, 09:02
Anti-semitism is in European blood.
hmm...making blanket statements about a whole race of people, based on nothing but ignorance and hate.



Anyone else find the hypocrisy ironic?
LaLaland0
05-06-2006, 09:04
hmm...making blanket statements about a whole race of people, based on nothing but ignorance and hate.



Anyone else find the hypocrisy ironic?
wow, that was a hella-hateful statement. "Anti-Semitism is in European's blood" It's true. Sorry, but it is.
Kradlumania
05-06-2006, 09:11
COMMENTARY: This can't be right! All this time I've been reading on here where America is the only place where racism happens, and now this! I am like, sooo disappointed!


Do you want to back that up with a link, or are you going to admit you just made it up, because I have never seen anything that said America is the only place where racism happens. Making shit up again Eutrusca? Heaven forbid!
LaLaland0
05-06-2006, 09:15
Do you want to back that up with a link, or are you going to admit you just made it up, because I have never seen anything that said America is the only place where racism happens. Making shit up again Eutrusca? Heaven forbid!
Dude, it's a common belief, calm down. How often do you hear about racism when they aren't talking about the US?
Kradlumania
05-06-2006, 09:16
Ah! An intelligent response. What a refreshing change from most of the defensive and/or flaming responses so far. Thank you! :)

Unlike the unintelligent start to the topic? Come on, stop trying to weasel out of it. Show us 1 link that says racism only happens in the US. Piss or get off the pot, old man.
Kradlumania
05-06-2006, 09:19
You don't know me, so don't even go there. With 26 posts, chances are you don't know the history behind this. Some on here hate everything America is and does and will use anything and everything they can dredge up to make her look bad. An article about European racism was just too good to pass up. Why on earth would that be "tasteless?" M'thinks your feelings are waaay to sensitive.



Do you want some cheese with your whine, and would you need it pre-chewed?

So, some people don't like America, so Eutrusca, the all-American hero, stands up for America by making shit up. America needs more heros like Eutrusca! If we make up enough shit about some of it will stick.
LaLaland0
05-06-2006, 09:22
Do you want some cheese with your whine, and would you need it pre-chewed?

So, some people don't like America, so Eutrusca, the all-American hero, stands up for America by making shit up. America needs more heros like Eutrusca! If we make up enough shit about some of it will stick.
Dude, do you even know what he was talking about? Or are you just taking random quotes out of context? Because you aren't really making that much sense right now.
LaLaland0
05-06-2006, 09:25
Unlike the unintelligent start to the topic? Come on, stop trying to weasel out of it. Show us 1 link that says racism only happens in the US. Piss or get off the pot, old man.
You're just taking random quotes from this one guy and saying the same thing. Think of something interesting to say, geeesh.

EDIT: BTW, that guy isn't on anymore, so don't expect them to respond to you.
Kradlumania
05-06-2006, 10:51
Dude, it's a common belief, calm down. How often do you hear about racism when they aren't talking about the US?

All the time, on the news, in the papers. That's what happens when you don't get your news from NS, you get a touch of reality. If you get all your news from Eutrusca's ass you just get a bad taste in your mouth and a brown tongue.
Anarchic Conceptions
05-06-2006, 11:41
No, it really isn't. This is the first anti-Europe thread that I've ever seen on these forums.

Well you must have some sort of mental filter then. Just because you haven't seen something doesn't mean it isn't present.

I understand that I haven't been here for all that long, but you guys are way more obsessed with the US and what were doing than anything happening in Europe.

The US is currently top dog. It isn't surprising that it gets more attention.
Anarchic Conceptions
05-06-2006, 11:49
The Dutch and Belgians didn't help the Jews. Remember, Anne Frank was sold out by some Dutch who gladly told the Germans where some Jews were hiding.

Anne Frank was being hidden by some Dutch though. But I suppose it the action you (and I) find reprehensible that typify the entire area right?
Kanabia
05-06-2006, 12:12
Dude, it's a common belief, calm down. How often do you hear about racism when they aren't talking about the US?

You're kidding, right?
I V Stalin
05-06-2006, 12:16
Dude, it's a common belief, calm down. How often do you hear about racism when they aren't talking about the US?
Did you miss all of Ny Nordland's threads then?
Demented Hamsters
05-06-2006, 15:59
wow, that was a hella-hateful statement. "Anti-Semitism is in European's blood" It's true. Sorry, but it is.
Then, unless you're a full-blood Native American, Asian or Indian, it must be in yours as well.:rolleyes:
Demented Hamsters
05-06-2006, 16:05
The Dutch and Belgians didn't help the Jews. Remember, Anne Frank was sold out by some Dutch who gladly told the Germans where some Jews were hiding.
hmm...a bunch of Dutch risk their lives to hide Anne Frank.
A couple of Dutch sell her out.

Therefore all Dutch are Jew-hating Nazis.

righttt.....




Y'know, I once worked for a Jew who was an utter, utter arsehole.

Guess that means all Jews are arseholes. (Well two are, at least)

He was also gay, so this obviously means all Jews are gay as well.
How ever did you manage to procreate?
Eutrusca
05-06-2006, 16:16
Oh dear, not you as well...

That is, frankly, crap. And I think you know it. Now, there's one reason why it may seem like the US get's based more and it's this:

To treat Europe as one homogenous group is wrong; it's a collection of many fully independent states. A European poster may be quick to defend the actions of their own country, but not so quick to defend the actions of another European country. However, the US is a homogenous entity (or at least a hell of a lot more homogenous), so US posters are quicker to defend the US as a whole, which leads to threads about the US staying around longer, which means they get more attention.

So it's not that the US gets bashed more than Europe, its that there is not the same type of single entity or identity (among most) in Europe, but the individual countries will get attacked enough that when added together it would equal, or excede, the US.

And you don't see us "Europeans" bitching with threads every now and then saying "Quit attacking Europe" (or something along those lines).
America? "Homogenous?" ROFLMFAO!!!!!! You truly do have a problem with reality, don't ya! God! LOL!
Ny Nordland
05-06-2006, 16:29
If you care, the German magazine "Spiegel" has an English site, and they've been going into this for weeks now.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,416904,00.html
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,418617,00.html
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,418744,00.html

Spiegel? I think Das Anti-Deutsch Propaganda would be a better name for it.


GERMAN MEN

Hunky, Handsome, Wimpy and Weak


http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,419029,00.html

Wimpy and Weak?
I V Stalin
05-06-2006, 16:29
America? "Homogenous?" ROFLMFAO!!!!!! You truly do have a problem with reality, don't ya! God! LOL!
As Nadkor said, "a hell of a lot more homogenous [than Europe]". One (main) language, one currency, one leader, one economy...

Compare to Europe - travel from England to Greece and you'll go through at least 7 countries, speaking 7 distinctly different languages, with 6 currencies, 7 leaders...and that's barely half as far as it is from New York to LA.
Ny Nordland
05-06-2006, 16:34
I'm sorry for hating a continent that condemned my people to death.

It wasnt just exclusive to your people. We killed hundreds times more of our people and other people as well...That's called history. You know, everyone waring and killing....
I V Stalin
05-06-2006, 16:36
It wasnt just exclusive to your people. We killed hundreds times more of our people and other people as well...That's called history. You know, everyone waring and killing....
Oh. I thought that was called 'the present'.
Carnivorous Lickers
05-06-2006, 16:36
I'm not surprised. People racist no matter where you are. When the news decides to report it, they can make it seem like its out of control. Does one or two incidents mean we are on the verge of a holocaust?

When they dont report on it, does it mean its gone?


No.
Ny Nordland
05-06-2006, 16:37
Oh. I thought that was called 'the present'.

Most parts of world are peaceful unlike the past.
I V Stalin
05-06-2006, 16:39
Most parts of world are peaceful unlike the past.
Actually in the past most parts of the world were peaceful. Because the Europeans hadn't turned up to bugger them up. Look at Australia - perfectly fine until the 18th century. Now we've got people like Kanabia living there...;)
Kanabia
05-06-2006, 16:44
Actually in the past most parts of the world were peaceful. Because the Europeans hadn't turned up to bugger them up. Look at Australia - perfectly fine until the 18th century. Now we've got people like Kanabia living there...;)

Hey! I haven't made war upon any of my neighbours!

....yet. *polishes shiny, shiny weapons*
The SR
05-06-2006, 16:54
I will say though I have nothing against the Danes The Danish people went out of their way to protect their Jewish population. The actions of the Danes compared with the rest of the continent show me that the Holocaust could've been protected if the people cared at all about their Jewish population.

hold on here a second. the OP was about racism in football. Perhaps IDF will explain to the group why the Israeli football team is no longer allowed play its home games in Jerusalem? (racial abuse of the israelli arabs representing the Israeli team) Or why UEFA have fined the Israeli authorities and threatened stadium bans? (monkey noises at black and arab players) Or why the knisset are discussing holocaust insult laws due to the chants of one Tel Aviv based teams supporters at ultra-orthadox jews? (one group of jews to another, 'we with you a merry holocaust' and 'died in treblinka, you should have died in treblinka). Why do MAGAV, an elite regiment of the IDF, usually resposibile for border patrols have to police big games?

You may fuck off lecturing us on this, we all have the same problems, but some associations are acting a lot quicker than others to fix it, and credit the germans here. one racist comment or gesture at these games and its off to the cells.

http://www.mossawacenter.org/en/pressreleases/2004/11/041105.html
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtUnd.jhtml?itemNo=690873&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

and thats just one google page.
Eutrusca
05-06-2006, 20:55
Do you want to back that up with a link, or are you going to admit you just made it up, because I have never seen anything that said America is the only place where racism happens. Making shit up again Eutrusca? Heaven forbid!
Awww. Now u done gone 'n hurt my feelings! Tsk!

Look ... the only thing I wanted to do with this thread was to drive home the point that, regardless of with how much glee the Euro-trash bunch bash America, they're just as guilty as anyone else. I have no "link" ( as I have stated serveral times ) because I don't keep copies of every stupid rant idiots on here make. If I did, my PC memory would have been used up long, long ago.

Most of the posts in this thread are nothing more than a blatant attempt to obfuscate the issue, which is: be careful who you decide to accuse of the same thing of which YOU are guilty, since they may just call yer ass on it. Kapisch?
Nodinia
05-06-2006, 21:00
Most of the posts in this thread are nothing more than a blatant attempt to obfuscate the issue, which is: be careful who you decide to accuse of the same thing of which YOU are guilty, since they may just call yer ass on it. Kapisch?

But no-one here gets on their high horse like some Americans....and thats where the "ass-calling" starts. Perhaps if some of you learnt some humility, thered be a lot less flak.
Haemoar
05-06-2006, 21:02
Yeah. Anti-Semitism, in particular, has been on the rise in Europe. Take, for example, Germany's National Democratic Party. It's basically the Nazi Party under a different name, and it happens to now be one of the three most popular German parties. I watched an interesting thing about this on SportsCenter this morning. I'm pretty surprised things like what I saw there have gone unpunished, especially given some of the things occurring at soccer/futbol games.
Nadkor
05-06-2006, 21:04
Thats because Europeans really have no reason too. Europe is rarely criticized on the forums compared to the United State. It isn't an opinion, it's a fact. I believe that Katganistan was spot on in his assessment on the behavior of many forum members in relation to the United States and Europe. And in a way, your attack on Eutrusca can be seen in away as bitching about an anti-European thread.

Really? I couldn't give a fuck about an anti-European thread, but I do give a fuck about the blatant lies and misrepresentation that Eutrusca employs all too regularly.

I think everyone on this forum should get of their moral high horses and do some badly needed self-reflection.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.cobbe/potkettle.jpg
Eutrusca
05-06-2006, 21:05
Do you want some cheese with your whine, and would you need it pre-chewed?

So, some people don't like America, so Eutrusca, the all-American hero, stands up for America by making shit up. America needs more heros like Eutrusca! If we make up enough shit about some of it will stick.
"Making shit up." Cute, young phoole, real cute. Go tell yer mommie she wants ya.
Nadkor
05-06-2006, 21:05
America? "Homogenous?" ROFLMFAO!!!!!! You truly do have a problem with reality, don't ya! God! LOL!

the US is a homogenous entity (or at least a hell of a lot more homogenous)

And you really do have a problem with reading comprehension, and selective quoting.
The SR
05-06-2006, 21:10
Yeah. Anti-Semitism, in particular, has been on the rise in Europe. Take, for example, Germany's National Democratic Party. It's basically the Nazi Party under a different name, and it happens to now be one of the three most popular German parties. I watched an interesting thing about this on SportsCenter this morning. I'm pretty surprised things like what I saw there have gone unpunished, especially given some of the things occurring at soccer/futbol games.

bullshit

In the 2005 federal elections, the NPD received 1.6 percent of the vote.

That made them the 12th biggest party.

1.6% too many, but lets not resort to lies.
LaLaland0
05-06-2006, 21:12
Then, unless you're a full-blood Native American, Asian or Indian, it must be in yours as well.:rolleyes:
I wasn't denying that my people have taken part in this stereotyping and horrible behavior. But to absolve an entire continent's worth of people falsly of something which they are very responsible is reprehensible.
Eutrusca
05-06-2006, 21:12
Really? I couldn't give a fuck about an anti-European thread, but I do give a fuck about the blatant lies and misrepresentation that Eutrusca employs all too regularly.
Poor baby. Somebody steal yer lolly?

Perhaps the reason you get so upset about all my "blatant lies and misrepresentations" is that, deep down, somewhere in that black little heart of yours, you know they're NOT "lies and misrepresentations," eh? Hit a little too close to the bone, eh?
LaLaland0
05-06-2006, 21:14
As Nadkor said, "a hell of a lot more homogenous [than Europe]". One (main) language, one currency, one leader, one economy...

Compare to Europe - travel from England to Greece and you'll go through at least 7 countries, speaking 7 distinctly different languages, with 6 currencies, 7 leaders...and that's barely half as far as it is from New York to LA.
If you travel through one city in America you could hear all the languages present on the Earth. There's no comparison. :rolleyes:
Eutrusca
05-06-2006, 21:18
And you really do have a problem with reading comprehension, and selective quoting.
Tsk. The quote from me was to a post EARLIER than the one you quote just below me.

But all that's beside the point. America is one of the most ethnically, religiously, culturally, and racially diverse nations on the entire planet, and you know it. So do us all a favor and stop trying to portray the nations of Europe as somehow diverse. It just won't wash, baby!
Golgothastan
05-06-2006, 21:20
What fucks me off about this thread is not I think the original premise is totally unfounded. America/Americans maybe does get more than a proportional amount of shit on these boards. (Although there are a number of mitigating factors to consider in there: as the superpower, their actions are wider-reaching; the majority of NSers are left-liberal leaning, I'd guess, whereas the US government is presently a right-wing one; perhaps as much as anything, Eutrusca is more sensitive to criticism of America - and hence picks on up it more.)

However, the snark of the opening bugs me. What's your point? You keep saying "those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". Alright. We won't. And next time we do, link us back to this, and you'll have scored a point. However, you can't surely mean that where racism does exist in the US, it shouldn't be criticised, simply because it exists elsewhere? Or that, in general, US government policies, or aspects of American life, can't be criticised because there are problems in the rest of the world?

Nonetheless, will this make you happy?

I, Golgothastan, declare that my government fucking stinks, and are a bunch of shit-sucking liars. They do many bad things. Many people in my country do bad things. Other countries and their people do not have a monopoly on doing bad things. Stupidity and intolerance are the real international languages.

Having disclaimed myself as such, I consider myself capable of criticising policies or actions I disagree with, regardless of which country they originate in.

Deal?
Nadkor
05-06-2006, 21:20
Poor baby. Somebody steal yer lolly?

Perhaps the reason you get so upset about all my "blatant lies and misrepresentations" is that, deep down, somewhere in that black little heart of yours, you know they're NOT "lies and misrepresentations," eh? Hit a little too close to the bone, eh?
No?

Come on Eut, you're not that thick, surely even you can see the obvious trolling and blatant misrepresentation in this choice quote:
This can't be right! All this time I've been reading on here where America is the only place where racism happens, and now this! I am like, sooo disappointed!

Or have you forgotten reading comprehension again?
Nadkor
05-06-2006, 21:24
Tsk. The quote from me was to a post EARLIER than the one you quote just below me.

But all that's beside the point. America is one of the most ethnically, religiously, culturally, and racially diverse nations on the entire planet, and you know it. So do us all a favor and stop trying to portray the nations of Europe as somehow diverse. It just won't wash, baby!

That's simply not true.

Sure, you have enclaves of various cultures, but by far the prevailing one is the white Christian American.
The SR
05-06-2006, 21:27
But all that's beside the point. America is one of the most ethnically, religiously, culturally, and racially diverse nations on the entire planet, and you know it. So do us all a favor and stop trying to portray the nations of Europe as somehow diverse. It just won't wash, baby!

i have read some shite on this thread, but this one is specatacular.

The NATIONS of europe arent diverse? That dosent even make grammatical sense
LaLaland0
05-06-2006, 21:29
That's simply not true.

Sure, you have enclaves of various cultures, but by far the prevailing one is the white Christian American.
We weren't talking about the prevailing ethnicity represented, we were talking about the racial and ethnical diversity. Stop trying to change the subject.
Eutrusca
05-06-2006, 21:30
What fucks me off about this thread is not I think the original premise is totally unfounded. America/Americans maybe does get more than a proportional amount of shit on these boards. (Although there are a number of mitigating factors to consider in there: as the superpower, their actions are wider-reaching; the majority of NSers are left-liberal leaning, I'd guess, whereas the US government is presently a right-wing one; perhaps as much as anything, Eutrusca is more sensitive to criticism of America - and hence picks on up it more.)

However, the snark of the opening bugs me. What's your point? You keep saying "those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones". Alright. We won't. And next time we do, link us back to this, and you'll have scored a point. However, you can't surely mean that where racism does exist in the US, it shouldn't be criticised, simply because it exists elsewhere? Or that, in general, US government policies, or aspects of American life, can't be criticised because there are problems in the rest of the world?

Nonetheless, will this make you happy?

I, Golgothastan, declare that my government fucking stinks, and are a bunch of shit-sucking liars. They do many bad things. Many people in my country do bad things. Other countries and their people do not have a monopoly on doing bad things. Stupidity and intolerance are the real international languages.

Having disclaimed myself as such, I consider myself capable of criticising policies or actions I disagree with, regardless of which country they originate in.

Deal?
ROFLMFAO!!!! GOOD one! :D

AGREED! [ furiously pumps your hand while laughing my ass off! ] :D
LaLaland0
05-06-2006, 21:31
No?

Come on Eut, you're not that thick, surely even you can see the obvious trolling and blatant misrepresentation in this choice quote:
This can't be right! All this time I've been reading on here where America is the only place where racism happens, and now this! I am like, sooo disappointed!

Or have you forgotten reading comprehension again?
That is maybe the saddest representation of trolling that I've ever seen.

Seriously, I've seen 1st graders accomplish more on the playground than that.
Nadkor
05-06-2006, 21:31
We weren't talking about the prevailing ethnicity represented, we were talking about the racial and ethnical diversity. Stop trying to change the subject.

I haven't changed the subject at all.

Like I say, there may be small enclaves of diversity, but not in the way you seem to be claiming.
Eutrusca
05-06-2006, 21:35
No?

Come on Eut, you're not that thick, surely even you can see the obvious trolling and blatant misrepresentation in this choice quote:

Or have you forgotten reading comprehension again?
LOL! Well, I have to admit that it was worded rather ... antagonisticly, but the principle still stands. Even some of the more ... equible Europeans on here have indicated that America, being more high-profile, does in fact get bashed more often on virtually every issue.

I have no problem with people taking Potshots at America, and even if I did, no way whatsoever to stop it. Just don't be all "OMG! Teh awful!" when we return fire! :D
LaLaland0
05-06-2006, 21:35
I haven't changed the subject at all.

Like I say, there may be small enclaves of diversity, but not in the way you seem to be claiming.
What was I claiming? That America is ethnically diverse? Do they have to meet a quota of people who don't look alike to qualify for diversity?

Where did I claim that America was an equal part White Christian and an equal part Everything Else?
The SR
05-06-2006, 21:36
We weren't talking about the prevailing ethnicity represented, we were talking about the racial and ethnical diversity. Stop trying to change the subject.

next year the EU will have 27 countries and half a billion people. there are 20 working languages as well as dozens of minor ones. 15% of the Irish population were not born here.

i really fail to see how the US who recently allowed blacks sit where they like on public transport and are talking about expelling 11m Mexicans is more diverse than that.
Eutrusca
05-06-2006, 21:37
That's simply not true.

Sure, you have enclaves of various cultures, but by far the prevailing one is the white Christian American.
You need to do some serious updating of your internal data files, baby. It's not going to be that long at all before America is a nation totally comprised of minorities. Look it up, you might be surprised.
The SR
05-06-2006, 21:38
You need to do some serious updating of your internal data files, baby. It's not going to be that long at all before America is a nation totally comprised of minorities. Look it up, you might be surprised.

what does that even mean? you are babbling E, utter nonsense
Nadkor
05-06-2006, 21:40
What was I claiming? That America is ethnically diverse? Do they have to meet a quota of people who don't look alike to qualify for diversity?

Where did I claim that America was an equal part White Christian and an equal part Everything Else?

You didn't. You misunderstood me.

But let me put it like this:

Having an overwhelming majority of 82% one 'ethnicity', and then one other 'ethnicities' making up a large-ish minority (13%), one of a smaller minority (at about 4%) and then a few having near negligible in size minorities (at most 1%) doesn't make you ethnicly diverse.
Batuni
05-06-2006, 21:41
If you travel through one city in America you could hear all the languages present on the Earth. There's no comparison. :rolleyes:

What, every single one? Without exception? In a single city?

This comment leads to two questions:

1) Which City?

2) Can we test you on that?

I mean, seriously, that's a good several thousand languages, and that's not even considering dialects.
Nadkor
05-06-2006, 21:41
You need to do some serious updating of your internal data files, baby. It's not going to be that long at all before America is a nation totally comprised of minorities. Look it up, you might be surprised.

With 81.7% of the population classed by the CIA as white, and the next largest (black) having only 12.9%, I think it's going to take longer than "not..that long at all".

I think you're the one who needs to look it up.
Eutrusca
05-06-2006, 21:43
next year the EU will have 27 countries and half a billion people. there are 20 working languages as well as dozens of minor ones. 15% of the Irish population were not born here.

i really fail to see how the US who recently allowed blacks sit where they like on public transport and are talking about expelling 11m Mexicans is more diverse than that.
Now THAT's trolling. Get a grip, twit!

1. African Americans haven't been relegated to the back of the bus for over 40 years now. Unless I miss my guess, that was LONG before twerps like you were even born!

2. No one in American is seriously suggesting "expelling 11m Mexicans!" No one sane that is.
Nadkor
05-06-2006, 21:43
LOL! Well, I have to admit that it was worded rather ... antagonisticly, but the principle still stands. Even some of the more ... equible Europeans on here have indicated that America, being more high-profile, does in fact get bashed more often on virtually every issue.

I have no problem with people taking Potshots at America, and even if I did, no way whatsoever to stop it. Just don't be all "OMG! Teh awful!" when we return fire! :D

I don't believe that's what I was lamenting about. I couldn't care less if you attack Europe. Honestly, I don't. It has some serious problems that desperately need to be addressed; racism being one of them. But I do have a problem with the way you went about it.
Thriceaddict
05-06-2006, 21:43
LOL! Well, I have to admit that it was worded rather ... antagonisticly, but the principle still stands. Even some of the more ... equible Europeans on here have indicated that America, being more high-profile, does in fact get bashed more often on virtually every issue.

I have no problem with people taking Potshots at America, and even if I did, no way whatsoever to stop it. Just don't be all "OMG! Teh awful!" when we return fire! :D
I have no problem with Americans criticizing Europeans, but when you suggest we have claimed that Europe is perfect and there are no problems, that's where the problem lies. It would have been a good thread without that stupid comment.
The SR
05-06-2006, 21:45
Now THAT's trolling. Get a grip, twit!

1. African Americans haven't been relegated to the back of the bus for over 40 years now. Unless I miss my guess, that was LONG before twerps like you were even born!

2. No one in American is seriously suggesting "expelling 11m Mexicans!" No one sane that is.

but 40 years ago minorites were treated that badly in the US. and when the germans treated its minorities badly we went to war over it.

and there are numerous posters here and elsewhere talking about 'illegal' immigration and how all non-documented workers should be deported. not very tolerent or diverse talk and well you know it.
LaLaland0
05-06-2006, 21:46
What, every single one? Without exception? In a single city?

This comment leads to two questions:

1) Which City?
New York
Chicago
and you can try LA if you want, but I wouldn't expect the same results.

2) Can we test you on that? Dude, if you have the time, go right ahead

I mean, seriously, that's a good several thousand languages, and that's not even considering dialects.
There are a lot of people in those cities
Not bad
05-06-2006, 21:46
COMMENTARY: This can't be right! All this time I've been reading on here where America is the only place where racism happens, and now this! I am like, sooo disappointed!


Europe is of course perfect for two years in a row then FIFA then perfect for 2 years then Olympics then perfect then FIFA. In between major soccer tournaments they have every right and reason to act superior instead of like hooligans and pricks.



It's the well known soccer syndrome. England goes through this about once a fortnight due to having so many excruciatingly important soccer tournaments annually. Soccer syndrome is the only way that you can truly understand the way they act. Well that and cricket madness if some other place has the ashes.
LaLaland0
05-06-2006, 21:49
and there are numerous posters here and elsewhere talking about 'illegal' immigration and how all non-documented workers should be deported. not very tolerent or diverse talk and well you know it.
It's intolerance if we let them in and now we want them to leave. It's enforcing our laws if we didn't let them in and now we want them to leave.
You need to make the distinction.
LaLaland0
05-06-2006, 21:50
Europe is of course perfect for two years in a row then FIFA then perfect for 2 years then Olympics then perfect then FIFA. In between major soccer tournaments they have every right and reason to act superior instead of like hooligans and pricks.



It's the well known soccer syndrome. England goes through this about once a fortnight due to having so many excruciatingly important soccer tournaments annually. Soccer syndrome is the only way that you can truly understand the way they act. Well that and cricket madness if some other place has the ashes.
:confused:

Absolutely none of this post made sense to me.
ShuHan
05-06-2006, 21:53
tbh im not being anti spanish but mostly when it is on the news it is when an english team play a spanish team, and then the spanish start monkey noising the black english players.

im not saying its only spanish against english. but generally when it is in the news it is from the spanish fans. and im not saying spaniards are rascist but well i am:upyours:

tbh spain doesnt count as europe, they are a bit cut of from the rest of the continent

Absolutely none of this post made sense to me.

tbh i understood it but i didnt see if there was a point being made.

but just incase you didnt know cricket is a sport which i could only compare to your'e baseball tbh. except it has a much harder ball, lots of leg padding, a crotch protector and a linear running plane for the 'batter'

the ashes is a cricketing tournament involving just australia and england. the winner of the tournament is awarded an urn containing the ashes of part of the posts, from when australia first beat england, 100 or so years ago
The SR
05-06-2006, 21:55
New York
Chicago
and you can try LA if you want, but I wouldn't expect the same results.
Dude, if you have the time, go right ahead


There are a lot of people in those cities

so chicago is more wthnically diverse than London, Paris, Brussels and Amsterdam?

Chicago, population 2.8m


London, population 14m

from Wikepedia
With an estimated population of 7.5 million (as of 2005) and a metropolitan area population of between 12 and 14 million, London is the most populous city in Western Europe. The city has an extremely cosmopolitan population, drawing from a diverse range of peoples, cultures, and religions, who speak over 300 different languages.[

Paris population 11.7m

The Paris region is one of the most multi-cultural in Europe, with 19.4% of its total population born outside of metropolitan France[15]. As of 1999, 4.2% of those living within the Paris region were recent immigrants (post-1990 census arrivals) in their majority from mainland China and Africa[citation needed]. But the multi-cultural population began during the first immigration wave which started during the 60's with the Portuguese and the Spanish. Nowadays, they are considered like French above all even if some are coming back to their countries.
Nadkor
05-06-2006, 21:59
New York
Chicago
and you can try LA if you want, but I wouldn't expect the same results.
Dude, if you have the time, go right ahead


There are a lot of people in those cities

I want to pick you up on your point about languages....

Let's look at America.

According to the CIA, the linguistical makeup is as follows:
English 82.1%
Spanish 10.7%
other Indo-European 3.8%
Asian and Pacific island 2.7%
other 0.7% (2000 census)

Now, let's look at the EU.

According to the EU, the linguisital makeup is as follows:
English 13%
German 18%
French 12%
Italian 13%
Spanish 9%
Polish 9%
Dutch 5%
Russian 1%
Swedish 2%
Greek 2%
Portuguese 2%
Danish 1%
Finnish 1%

Now, in addition to those 20 official languages, the following are also spoken:
* Belarusian (in Poland)
* the regional languages of France
* Irish
* Frisian
* Languages of Italy
* Kashubian
* Ladin
* Friulian
* Limburgish
* Low German
* Luxembourgish
* Mirandese
* Russian
* Sami languages
* Sorbian languages
* Minority languages in Sweden
* Languages in the United Kingdom
o Scottish Gaelic
o Welsh
o Scots & Ulster Scots
o Cornish
* Walloon
* Yiddish


Which would you say is more diverse, linguisticly?
Batuni
05-06-2006, 22:00
New York
Chicago
and you can try LA if you want, but I wouldn't expect the same results.
Dude, if you have the time, go right ahead


There are a lot of people in those cities


There are indeed, well, not so much in Chicago, only a couple of million.

New york, with a population (city, not state), of around 8 million whose government provides translators for 180 languages, is not that far ahead of London, with it's population of about 7.5 million. Whom speak around 300 languages between them.

Both of them are a far, far cry from 'all the languages present on the Earth.'
R0cka
05-06-2006, 22:02
Imagine people shouting ****** at baseball player in the world series?

The world is really turning upside-down-face.

Terrorism in Canada?

Racism in Europe?

You mean to tell me the rest of the worlds' shit smells just as bad as Americas'?

Now wonder that dick from Iran is going to show up at the world cup, he'll feel right at home.

We lose the world cup on purpose every year anyway, as to not piss off the rest of the world.
Batuni
05-06-2006, 22:06
but just incase you didnt know cricket is a sport which i could only compare to your'e baseball tbh. except it has a much harder ball, lots of leg padding, a crotch protector and a linear running plane for the 'batter'

Now now, let's be fair. Cricket in a sport all on it's own.
Baseball is a derivative of Rounders, another British sport. :)
The SR
05-06-2006, 22:07
[QUOTE=ShuHan]but just incase you didnt know cricket is a sport which i could only compare to your'e baseball tbh. except it has a much harder ball, lots of leg padding, a crotch protector and a linear running plane for the 'batter'/QUOTE]

Now now, let's be fair. Cricket in a sport all on it's own.
Baseball is a derivative of Rounders, another British sport. :)

ahem, Irish....:upyours:
ShuHan
05-06-2006, 22:07
We lose the world cup on purpose every year anyway, as to not piss off the rest of the world

yeah i wish we could say that, but sadly the english loose because brazil are just better

If you travel through one city in America you could hear all the languages present on the Earth. There's no comparison.

i dont suppose you have ever left america have you

Now now, let's be fair. Cricket in a sport all on it's own.
Baseball is a derivative of Rounders, another British sport.

i know its a completely different sport and i hesitated to compare it to baseball but that is the closest american sport i could think of. i dont have time to explain every detail of cricket to them, ive got a maths exam in the morning, i should be wasting time on here (and yet still i continue)

i suppose a link to wikipedia could help anyone who remotely cares what cricket is clicky clicky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket)
Philosopy
05-06-2006, 22:10
ahem, Irish....:upyours:
ahem, British...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounders

I'll skip on the stupid smileys though.
Eutrusca
05-06-2006, 22:10
but 40 years ago minorites were treated that badly in the US. and when the germans treated its minorities badly we went to war over it.

and there are numerous posters here and elsewhere talking about 'illegal' immigration and how all non-documented workers should be deported. not very tolerent or diverse talk and well you know it.
I'll guaran-damn-tee you've never heard ME talk like that!

And BTW ... making minorities sit in the back of the bus is a FAR cry from putting them in concentration camps and gassing them in the millions. :rolleyes:
Batuni
05-06-2006, 22:12
ahem, Irish....:upyours:

Aheh, no. Not really. There's a version known as Irish rounders, but it's not certain where the original version, well, originated.
R0cka
05-06-2006, 22:14
And BTW ... making minorities sit in the back of the bus is a FAR cry from putting them in concentration camps and gassing them in the millions. :rolleyes:

No it's not.

In the days of segregation, people smoked cigarettes on buses, so it's actually worse.
The SR
05-06-2006, 22:14
I'll guaran-damn-tee you've never heard ME talk like that!

And BTW ... making minorities sit in the back of the bus is a FAR cry from putting them in concentration camps and gassing them in the millions. :rolleyes:

not the point, we didnt tolerate the nazis, you tolerated the alabamans
Eutrusca
05-06-2006, 22:16
Imagine people shouting ****** at baseball player in the world series?

The world is really turning upside-down-face.

Terrorism in Canada?

Racism in Europe?

You mean to tell me the rest of the worlds' shit smells just as bad as Americas'?

No wonder that dick from Iran is going to show up at the world cup, he'll feel right at home.
We're doomed, I tell you! We're all doomed! :eek:
Philosopy
05-06-2006, 22:16
All Governments contain bastards,
All nations have racists,
To shout out "my country is less bad than yours!"
Is just a little tasteless.
R0cka
05-06-2006, 22:16
not the point, we didnt tolerate the nazis, you tolerated the alabamans

Alabmans is not a word.

We didn't tolerate them, we ended segregation, and we didn't need to wreck our entire continent to do it.
Eutrusca
05-06-2006, 22:16
not the point, we didnt tolerate the nazis, you tolerated the alabamans
Hmmm. Do you really want to go there???
Eutrusca
05-06-2006, 22:17
No it's not.

In the days of segregation, people smoked cigarettes on buses, so it's actually worse.
:rolleyes:
The SR
05-06-2006, 22:20
Alabmans is not a word.

We didn't tolerate them, we ended segregation, and we didn't need to wreck our entire continent to do it.

how many years since the end of slavery till the end of segragation?

how many years from hitler siezing power until war declared?
Not bad
05-06-2006, 22:20
Now now, let's be fair. Cricket in a sport all on it's own.
Baseball is a derivative of Rounders, another British sport. :)

Brits invent many sports which are perfected and played better elsewhere.

Soccer baseball cricket etc.

(Congrats on getting the ashes back btw)
R0cka
05-06-2006, 22:22
:rolleyes:


:p
Eutrusca
05-06-2006, 22:22
All Governments contain bastards,
All nations have racists,
To shout out "my country is less bad than yours!"
Is just a little tasteless.
Heh! My point exactly. :)
Not bad
05-06-2006, 22:24
not the point, we didnt tolerate the nazis, you tolerated the alabamans

Is that a fact?


http://www.freeinfosociety.com/sounds/nevillechamberlain-meetingwithhitler.mp3
R0cka
05-06-2006, 22:26
how many years since the end of slavery till the end of segragation?


Eleventy million?

how many years from hitler siezing power until war declared?

This whole comparisson is doo-doo.

Slavery was horrible, but the Holocaust was 100 times worse.

I would have rather been a slave than on a train to concentration camp.
Batuni
05-06-2006, 22:27
"Who is the strongest?
Who is the best?
Who holdes the aces,
the east or the west?

This is the crap
our children are learning."
- Roger Waters 'The tide is turning'

Seriously, that's what this thread's become, a stinking, festering pile of crap.

Every country on the face of the damn planet, all those little, unimportant places delineated by lines on a map, has it's racists, bigots and viscious, unrepentant thugs.

So how the hell did we get bogged down in pathetic 'EU vs US' superiority rubbish?
Huahin
05-06-2006, 22:29
E.U. =/= Europe!
R0cka
05-06-2006, 22:30
So how the hell did we get bogged down in pathetic 'EU vs US' superiority rubbish?

What goes around comes around?
Eutrusca
05-06-2006, 22:32
What goes around comes around?
Yup! Yup! Yup! :D
Batuni
05-06-2006, 22:33
What goes around comes around?

What, so 'US vs Europe' superiority becomes 'Europe vs US' superiority?

What good does that do?
The South Islands
05-06-2006, 22:34
What, so 'US vs Europe' superiority becomes 'Europe vs US' superiority?

What good does that do?

None, but people do it anyway because they're small minded and jolly pathetic.

*looks around*
Philosopy
05-06-2006, 22:34
What, so 'US vs Europe' superiority becomes 'Europe vs US' superiority?

What good does that do?
Ah, I see you're new.:)

Welcome to NationStates General. Would you like a drink?
Not bad
05-06-2006, 22:35
What, so 'US vs Europe' superiority becomes 'Europe vs US' superiority?

What good does that do?

It fills servers with rubbish, minds with crap and xenophobes with glee.

Any questions?
Batuni
05-06-2006, 22:35
Yup! Yup! Yup! :D

Ahhhh, I see.

So it's not so much a problem with racism as it is with Europe?

You should've said. :)
Vadrouille
05-06-2006, 22:49
That's simply not true.

Sure, you have enclaves of various cultures, but by far the prevailing one is the white Christian American.

The "culture" of a white, Christian Rhode Islander is far different than that of a white, Christian Texan, and both are different from the culture surrounding a white, Christian Minnesotan. There is no such thing as American culture, rather, there are many cultures within the United States. The same is true for any other country. While Americans are indeed united by certain common cultural traits, for example, taking the rights afforded to them in the Constitution as being inalienable and as forming the basis of the society, being united by a shared language and ethnic heritage is only part of the equation.

We are all racists. Denying it is pointless. All we can do is diversify our circles of friends and acquaintances, and learn to blind ourselves to skin color, accent, and religious affiliation. (That list of traits is not all inclusive, as I'm sure someone will call me on it.)
Anarchic Conceptions
06-06-2006, 00:04
AI have no "link" ( as I have stated serveral times ) because I don't keep copies of every stupid rant idiots on here make. If I did, my PC memory would have been used up long, long ago.


If that were the case a link wouldn't have to be hard to find and you wouldn't have to save them on your computer.

but 40 years ago minorites were treated that badly in the US. and when the germans treated its minorities badly we went to war over it.


No, we went to war because they invaded Poland. The treatement of minorities was very much a side issue in that war.
Neu Leonstein
06-06-2006, 00:13
Spiegel? I think Das Anti-Deutsch Propaganda would be a better name for it.
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,419029,00.html
Wimpy and Weak?
I wish you visited that site more often. That article is part of their "Germany Survival Bible", a humorous and satirical series about the peculiarities of Germans.
Other articles include:
Training for the Formula One (http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,406545,00.html)
The Secret History of the Garden Gnome (http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,408272,00.html)
Get Naked with the Germans (http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,415516,00.html)
RULES OF THE STREET (http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,406544,00.html)
New Zero Seven
06-06-2006, 00:45
Germany has nekkid people running across their parks? What kind of moral corruption is this?! ;)
Secret aj man
06-06-2006, 02:36
If that were the case a link wouldn't have to be hard to find and you wouldn't have to save them on your computer.



No, we went to war because they invaded Poland. The treatement of minorities was very much a side issue in that war.

i would have to agree with you,i would say that the treatment of minorities/jews/gypsies was pretty far down the list on why the allies went to war with the axis.

it was mostly geo-strategic,economic(as usual)and politics as usual.

to think the war was over mistreatment of minorities is plain foolishness.

thats a far different analogy then comparing us segregation of blacks to the atrocities commited to the jews,et al,

and it does go a ways to prove etruscas point...or at least explain why americans are sick and tired of hearing how bad we are(the op)when i just read with my own eyes..someone compare our mis treatment of blacks during segragation and how we did nothing to change it,and how europe went to war over mistreatment(sic) of the jews and minorties....fallacious argument at the least.

europe..did..not..go to war over minorities being mistreated...period!
Dobbsworld
06-06-2006, 03:13
Ohhhh, yes I have! Repeatedly! Some have even claimed that one of the reasons American soldiers "shoot anything that moves" is because they're "racist!"
Crybaby.
Eutrusca
06-06-2006, 04:27
Crybaby.
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