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Moral of this story: Don't hit on women over the 'Net in China!

Eutrusca
03-06-2006, 14:03
COMMENTARY: Vigilante justice? Mob rule? What??


Online Throngs Impose a Stern Morality in China (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/03/world/asia/03china.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin)


By HOWARD W. FRENCH
Published: June 3, 2006
SHANGHAI, June 2 — It began with an impassioned, 5,000-word letter on one of the country's most popular Internet bulletin boards from a husband denouncing a college student he suspected of having an affair with his wife. Immediately, hundreds joined in the attack.

"Let's use our keyboard and mouse in our hands as weapons," one person wrote, "to chop off the heads of these adulterers, to pay for the sacrifice of the husband."

Within days, the hundreds had grown to thousands, and then tens of thousands, with total strangers forming teams that hunted down the student, hounded him out of his university and caused his family to barricade themselves inside their home.

It was just the latest example of a growing phenomenon the Chinese call Internet hunting, in which morality lessons are administered by online throngs and where anonymous Web users come together to investigate others and mete out punishment for offenses real and imagined.

In recent instances, people have scrutinized husbands suspected of cheating on their wives, fraud on Internet auction sites, the secret lives of celebrities and unsolved crimes. One case that drew a huge following involved the poisoning of a Tsinghua University student, an event that dates to 1994 but was revived by curious strangers after word spread that the only suspect in the case had been questioned and released.

Even a recent scandal involving a top Chinese computer scientist dismissed for copying the design of an American processor came to light in part because of Internet hunting, with scores of online commentators raising questions about the project and putting pressure on the scientist's sponsors to look into the allegations.

While Internet wars can crop up anywhere, these cases have set off alarms in China, where this sort of crowd behavior has led to violence in the past. Many draw disturbing parallels to the Cultural Revolution, whose 40th anniversary is this year, when mobs of students taunted and beat their professors. Mass denunciations and show trials became the order of the day for a decade.

In recent years, the government has gradually tightened controls on the Internet, censoring popular search engines, like Google and Technorati; employing thousands of Web police officers; and requiring that customers at Internet cafes provide identification.

There has been recurrent talk by the government of registering all Internet users, and many worry that a wave of online threats and vigilantism could serve as a pretext to impose new limits on users.

The affair of the cuckolded husband first came to public attention in mid-April, after the man, who goes by the Web name Freezing Blade, discovered online correspondence between his wife, Quiet Moon, and a college student, Bronze Mustache. After an initial conversation, in which he forgave his wife, the man discovered messages on his wife's computer that confirmed to him that the liaison was continuing. He then posted the letter denouncing Bronze Mustache, and identifying him by his real name.

The case exploded on April 20, when a bulletin board manifesto against Bronze Mustache was published by someone using the name Spring Azalea.

"We call on every company, every establishment, every office, school, hospital, shopping mall and public street to reject him," it said. "Don't accept him, don't admit him, don't identify with him until he makes a satisfying and convincing repentance."

Impassioned people teamed up to uncover the student's address and telephone number, both of which were then posted online. Soon, people eager to denounce him showed up at his university and at his parents' house, forcing him to drop out of school and barricade himself with his family in their home.

Others denounced the university for not expelling him, with one poster saying it should be "bombed by Iranian missiles." Many others said the student should be beaten or beheaded, or that he and the married woman should be put in a "pig cage" and drowned.

"Right from the beginning, every day there have been people calling and coming to our house, and we have all been very upset," said the student's father, who was interviewed by telephone but insisted that he not be identified by name, to avoid further harassment. "This is an awful thing, and the Internet companies should stop these attacks, but we haven't spoken with them. I wouldn't know whom to speak to."

In hopes of quieting the criticism, Bronze Mustache issued a six-minute online video denying any affair with Quiet Moon, whom he is said to have met at a gathering of enthusiasts of the online game World of Warcraft. At the same time, Freezing Blade has twice asked people to call off the attacks, even joining in the denials of an affair — all to no avail.

At its height, the Bronze Mustache case accounted for huge traffic increases on China's Internet bulletin boards, including a nearly 10 percent increase in daily traffic on Tianya, the bulletin board with the most users.

In many countries, electronic bulletin boards hark back to the earliest days of the Internet, before Web browsers were common, and when text messages were posted in static fashion in stark black and white. In today's China, however, bulletin boards, or BBS's, have been colorfully updated and remain at the heart of the country's Internet culture.

"Our Web site is a platform, not a court," said Zeng Liu, a Webmaster for Tianya, which reports 40 million page visits daily and claims to be the world's largest BBS. "We cannot judge who is a good or bad person by some moral standard, but we have our own bottom line. If it's a personal attack on someone, we delete it, but it is very difficult, given that we have 10 million users."

Although concerned about online threats, advocates of free speech say that is no reason for the Chinese authorities to place further limits on the Internet.

"The Internet should be free, and I have always opposed the idea of registering users, because this is perhaps the only channel we have for free discussion," said Zhu Dake, a sociologist and cultural critic at Tongji University, in Shanghai. "On the other hand, the Internet is being distorted. This creates a very difficult dilemma for us."

Zhan Jiang, a professor of journalism at China Youth University of Political Science, in Beijing, said: "As freedom of expression is not well protected here, we have to choose the lighter of two evils. The minority who are hurting other people in such cases should be prevented, but this behavior should not disturb the majority's freedom of expression."

But there are obvious drawbacks to unfettered discussion, as the Bronze Mustache case illustrates. "What we Internet users are doing is fulfilling our social obligations," said one man who posted a lengthy attack on the college student and his alleged affair. "We cannot let our society fall into such a low state."

Asked how he would react if people began publishing online allegations about his private life, he answered, "I believe strongly in the traditional saying that if you've done nothing wrong, you don't fear the knock on your door at midnight."
Philosopy
03-06-2006, 14:07
It's not limited to China. You just say a wrong word and I'm gathering up a hunting party to track you down...

:p
Megaloria
03-06-2006, 14:13
The thought of a bunch of internet smarts from Nationstates dressing up like fox hunters, shouting, "callooo, callaaay!" to hunt down the Jabbertrolly fills my heart with joy.
Katganistan
03-06-2006, 14:42
All I will say is kids, don't try that on THIS forum.
Non Aligned States
03-06-2006, 14:48
All I will say is kids, don't try that on THIS forum.

Sadly, permabans don't have that much of a deterrant effect to professional trolls.
Potarius
03-06-2006, 14:51
Sadly, permabans don't have that much of a deterrant effect to professional trolls.

IP Axes seem to work just fine.
Jwp-serbu
03-06-2006, 14:54
remember rosie [odonut] odonnel's kmart fiasco?

she's anti gun for prols but has ARMED guards supervising her children :upyours:

boycott campaign ended her gig with the mart - samesame as china, we just didn't chase he fat ass down and harass her family :D :D
Potarius
03-06-2006, 15:01
remember rosie [odonut] odonnel's kmart fiasco?

she's anti gun for prols but has ARMED guards supervising her children :upyours:

boycott campaign ended her gig with the mart - samesame as china, we just didn't chase he fat ass down and harass her family :D :D

What the fuck does this have to do with the topic of this thread?
Eutrusca
03-06-2006, 17:49
It's not limited to China. You just say a wrong word and I'm gathering up a hunting party to track you down...

:p
"A wrong word." Ooops! Heh! :p
Eutrusca
03-06-2006, 17:50
All I will say is kids, don't try that on THIS forum.
Ooooooooo! MEAN ole momma! :D
Eutrusca
03-06-2006, 17:50
The thought of a bunch of internet smarts from Nationstates dressing up like fox hunters, shouting, "callooo, callaaay!" to hunt down the Jabbertrolly fills my heart with joy.
You're so ... unusual! ;)
Eutrusca
03-06-2006, 17:52
What the fuck does this have to do with the topic of this thread?
I was wondering the same thing. :confused:
Kanabia
03-06-2006, 17:54
Look out, Eut. ;)
The Remote Islands
03-06-2006, 18:03
All I will say is kids, don't try that on THIS forum.


That's right!
The Remote Islands
03-06-2006, 18:05
Ooooooooo! MEAN ole momma! :D
That is not nice.
Non Aligned States
03-06-2006, 18:08
IP Axes seem to work just fine.

I think that resulted in a DDOS once when jolt went down. Or it could just be that someone tripped over the server cables.