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The SVT (Sveriges Television) news programme Aktuellt reports on the Swedish military's renewed campaign (http://svt.se/urlfiles/aktuellt/aktuellt2100onsdag.asx) (12,5 mins into the clip) to attract more homosexual service members. Their fliers contain, among others, the parole "Fler homos borde bära vapen," which means "More homos should bear arms." They are also renewing their commitment to combating discrimination and on having a presence during Stockholm Pride (http://www.mil.se/index.php?c=news&id=28975), as they have for several years. Despite this, Aktuellt reports, 7 out of 10 homosexuals in the defence industry state they are not comfortable with being out on their jobs, and 23% say they have been discriminated against because of their sexual orientation (compared to an average of 13% in other employment). Worrying figures for an employer that has for some time been trying to woo the gay community.

I don't know how to feel about this. Commendable of the Defence to combat homophobia, but it is still the military and the "bear more arms" message is off-putting, to say the least. Then again, when I had to muster they did see my anti-militarism as more of a problem than my penchant for nooners in a cot. I guess I'm not the sort of person they will win over with this, but I must admit that it is making me less negative towards them. I guess even social progress has its downsides...

Gays With Guns. :)

There are thousands of ranchers in Montana and Wyoming quaking in their boots. :)

Fass you didnt know that we americans are way ahead of the curve on this issue ?

I'm suprised ...:D


http://www.pinkpistols.org/



"Thirty-one states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

--Jonathan Rauch, Salon Magazine, March 13, 2000

You said "homos" :eek:
*calls fashion police*

Much progress has been made since the year 2000 ...

Saturday, March 25, 2006
Kansas Approves Concealed Carry
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Philadelphia, PA (PP National) March 24, 2006. The Kanasas legislature overrode the governor's veto, becoming the 47th state with a concealed-firearm law, and the 39th "shall issue" state, where law-abiding citizens are rewarded by not having to prove they have "sufficient need" to carry a weapon. This leaves only Nebraska, Wisconsin and Illinois as having no law permitting concealed carry at all, and eight which require citizens to convince authorities they are worthy of the privilege.



criminals beware..........:D

Fass you didnt know that we americans are way ahead of the curve on this issue ?

I'm suprised ...:D

Seeing as the issue is getting more gay people to feel welcome in the National Defence and Military, I'd be quite surprised, read shocked, indeed, to see the US ahead of the curve.

Oh, you did read the OP, didn't you?

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The SVT (Sveriges Television) news programme Aktuellt reports on the Swedish military's renewed campaign (http://svt.se/urlfiles/aktuellt/aktuellt2100onsdag.asx) (12,5 mins into the clip) to attract more homosexual service members. Their fliers contain, among others, the parole "Fler homos borde bära vapen," which means "More homos should bear arms." They are also renewing their commitment to combating discrimination and on having a presence during Stockholm Pride (http://www.mil.se/index.php?c=news&id=28975), as they have for several years. Despite this, Aktuellt reports, 7 out of 10 homosexuals in the defence industry state they are not comfortable with being out on their jobs, and 23% say they have been discriminated against because of their sexual orientation (compared to an average of 13% in other employment). Worrying figures for an employer that has for some time been trying to woo the gay community.

I don't know how to feel about this. Commendable of the Defence to combat homophobia, but it is still the military and the "bear more arms" message is off-putting, to say the least. Then again, when I had to muster they did see my anti-militarism as more of a problem than my penchant for nooners in a cot. I guess I'm not the sort of person they will win over with this, but I must admit that it is making me less negative towards them. I guess even social progress has its downsides...

www.pinkpistols.org


Wait, you are giving guns to gays in Sweden? SWEET! Sweden must be way more minded to civil rights than I thought!


:D

And I thought this was going to be about homos with hairy arms.

Seeing as the issue is getting more gay people to feel welcome in the National Defence and Military, I'd be quite surprised, read shocked, indeed, to see the US ahead of the curve.

Oh, you did read the OP, didn't you?



What ...dont ask dont tell..just doesnt do it for ?

BTW ....did you have your sense of humor sugicaly removed or is it just a cultural thing ?:p

Wait, you are giving guns to gays in Sweden? SWEET! Sweden must be way more minded to civil rights than I thought!
:D

I see reading comprehension is still your bane.

And I thought this was going to be about homos with hairy arms.

Define hairy. I mean, I've hair on my arms, but I don't think they're "hairy..."

I see reading comprehension is still your bane.

Shouldn't it read "Forcing people to be more open minded" for your title? Shouldn't be intolerant of someone else's intolerance you know, that's just so unswedish.


My girlfriend is Swedish :D

Shouldn't it read "Forcing people to be more open minded" for your title?

What?

Shouldn't be intolerant of someone else's intolerance you know, that's just so unswedish.

Actually, being intolerant of intolerance is quite the Swedish trait. We're not USians, remember, and we don't have any concern for your warped sense of "tolerance" and unappreciation for nuance.

My girlfriend is Swedish :D

My sympathy to her extends beyond boundaries of nationality.

Join the army Fass! And fight... wait... who the hell would Sweeden fight? Finland? Norway?
I guess Russia but they can't do anything for a while...
seriously though does Sweeden have any enimies? (besides Fred Phelps) That's it!! Fass do us all a favor and kill Fred Phelps!

That's it!! Fass do us all a favor and kill Fred Phelps!

You'll see our tactic of ignoring attention whores works a lot better.

You'll see our tactic of ignoring attention whores works a lot better.

People are easy to ignore when they're dead...

(yeah I kinda stole that from Pirates of the Caribean and no I really don't think that but it fit...)

People are easy to ignore when they're dead...

Oh, we're a patient people.

Join the army Fass! And fight... wait... who the hell would Sweeden fight? Finland? Norway?
I guess Russia but they can't do anything for a while...
seriously though does Sweeden have any enimies? (besides Fred Phelps) That's it!! Fass do us all a favor and kill Fred Phelps!

Their enemy is within.

Man, some in the USA would be just cringing ...
More gays with weapons, now that's scary for them.

Join the army Fass! And fight... wait... who the hell would Sweeden fight? Finland? Norway?
Nah, Norway's in NATO, so that's a no-go. Would be nice to have their oil though...

Nah, Norway's in NATO, so that's a no-go. Would be nice to have their oil though...

All that oil isn't worth the fact that the country is filled with Norwegians. Remember Sweden-Norway? They weren't even worth a skirmish. Not to mention that the oil will run out, and you'd be stuck with lusekoftor and false "royalty."

http://www.halmstad.mil.se/images/local/420.1.8_normg_280.jpg

The SVT (Sveriges Television) news programme Aktuellt reports on the Swedish military's renewed campaign (http://svt.se/urlfiles/aktuellt/aktuellt2100onsdag.asx) (12,5 mins into the clip) to attract more homosexual service members. Their fliers contain, among others, the parole "Fler homos borde bära vapen," which means "More homos should bear arms." They are also renewing their commitment to combating discrimination and on having a presence during Stockholm Pride (http://www.mil.se/index.php?c=news&id=28975), as they have for several years. Despite this, Aktuellt reports, 7 out of 10 homosexuals in the defence industry state they are not comfortable with being out on their jobs, and 23% say they have been discriminated against because of their sexual orientation (compared to an average of 13% in other employment). Worrying figures for an employer that has for some time been trying to woo the gay community.

I don't know how to feel about this. Commendable of the Defence to combat homophobia, but it is still the military and the "bear more arms" message is off-putting, to say the least. Then again, when I had to muster they did see my anti-militarism as more of a problem than my penchant for nooners in a cot. I guess I'm not the sort of person they will win over with this, but I must admit that it is making me less negative towards them. I guess even social progress has its downsides...

Fass, there's an organization in the US called the Pink Pistols, which is a gay organization that promotes the concealed carry of firearms to combat abuse of homosexuals. It works.

If Matthew Shephard had been armed, he wouldn't be dead now.

On a side note, I wonder about Sweden. Aside from the still pictures of Swedish soldiers naked except for their chemical masks having some homoerotic play on duty, I also have a video of Swedish infantrymen shooting the Carl Gustav shoulder fired launcher at a Swedish military show - completely in the nude.

Fass, there's an organization in the US called the Pink Pistols, which is a gay organization that promotes the concealed carry of firearms to combat abuse of homosexuals. It works.

Off-topic.

If Matthew Shephard had been armed, he wouldn't be dead now.

Or, you know, he would be dead now. Please, spare me your defilement of his death with your ludicrously unbased claims, and take it to some thread that has something to do with inane US gun policy.

On a side note, I wonder about Sweden. Aside from the still pictures of Swedish soldiers naked except for their chemical masks having some homoerotic play on duty, I also have a video of Swedish infantrymen shooting the Carl Gustav shoulder fired launcher at a Swedish military show - completely in the nude.

Yeah, gave me quite the boner, too. The world needs more nudity, and, well, the Swedish armed forces are exceptionally endowed, it seems, to propagate it. Make me proud of our lads, in a sense.

I guess that's the difference between the US and Swedish military - here, our guys are the naked ones, there, people at Abu Ghurayb are the naked ones.

[QUOTE=FassYeah, gave me quite the boner, too. The world needs more nudity, and, well, the Swedish armed forces are exceptionally endowed, it seems, to propagate it. Makes me proud of our lads, in a sense.[/QUOTE]

I find it takes quite a bit of something to fire a weapon while naked that has a pronounced backblast that is capable of setting your clothing afire.

The stunning part of the video is that they did a rapid-fire drill - fired five rounds in about a minute.

I find it takes quite a bit of something to fire a weapon while naked that has a pronounced backblast that is capable of setting your clothing afire.

The stunning part of the video is that they did a rapid-fire drill - fired five rounds in about a minute.

I was paying more attention to their equipment.

I was paying more attention to their equipment.
It sounds like you spend too much time on duty as a doctor, and not enough time hanging out with soldiers.

It sounds like you spend too much time on duty as a doctor, and not enough time hanging out with soldiers.

Combining the two is never a problem, and the soldiers I've hung out with have been quite eager to have their equipment checked out.

All that oil isn't worth the fact that the country is filled with Norwegians. Remember Sweden-Norway? They weren't even worth a skirmish. Not to mention that the oil will run out, and you'd be stuck with lusekoftor and false "royalty."
Yeah, but we could just give them to Denmark when the oil's gone.

Yeah, but we could just give them to Denmark when the oil's gone.

I doubt Denmark would have them any more. It brought them civilisation and a proper language, and how did they repay them? By shooting themselves in the foot with "nynorsk." Plus, Denmark already has the Faroe Islands to sustain.

I'm all for non-discrimination in the workplace.

YEAH SWEDEN!!!!!!

:D

I doubt Denmark would have them any more. It brought them civilisation and a proper language, and how did they repay them? By shooting themselves in the foot with "nynorsk." Plus, Denmark already has the Faroe Islands to sustain.

Some 1st/2nd/3rd generation immigrant making comments on countries he doesnt belong....

Some 1st/2nd/3rd generation immigrant

Where? I must have missed him, or are you talking about your probably tyskebarn-descended self?

on countries he doesnt belong....

Thankful, this "immigrant" is, no doubt. I mean, Snoreway? Please.

I think all Homo's should carry guns. Homo Sapiens that is. Would make things alot safer.

Some 1st/2nd/3rd generation immigrant making comments on countries he doesnt belong....
Two words for you Nordland - that's dreck.

Oh and Marrakech - No, no it wouldn't at all.

I think all Homo's should carry guns. Homo Sapiens that is. Would make things alot safer.

Yep. So much safer. Everyone carrying guns. Yeah. Did you ever consider that if no one had any guns, there wouldn't be any need for guns in the first place?

The same logical short-circuit occurs in nationalism and militarism "but we need an army to protect us from other armies!" and since the argument is circular well... it leads no where, except to a lot of waste.

Yep. So much safer. Everyone carrying guns. Yeah. Did you ever consider that if no one had any guns, there wouldn't be any need for guns in the first place?
The woman being raped at knifepoint might have a need for one.
The same logical short-circuit occurs in nationalism and militarism "but we need an army to protect us from other armies!" and since the argument is circular well... it leads no where, except to a lot of waste.
Since violence is a fact of human nature, arming the responsible people will go a long way toward reducing it.

Yep. So much safer. Everyone carrying guns. Yeah. Did you ever consider that if no one had any guns, there wouldn't be any need for guns in the first place?

The same logical short-circuit occurs in nationalism and militarism "but we need an army to protect us from other armies!" and since the argument is circular well... it leads no where, except to a lot of waste.

Sounds Game Theory-ish. As soon as you figure out how to remove all guns though, I'll be a listenin'

Yep. So much safer. Everyone carrying guns. Yeah. Did you ever consider that if no one had any guns, there wouldn't be any need for guns in the first place.

Well, when the gun was first invented, no one had any guns, yet they were dveloped and brought in to widespread usage. Weapons are developed to give a group or individual advantage over another in combat, so the only way to stop the cycle would be to stop the human capacity for figthing.

The only way you'd be able to get rid of human aggression is if you got rid of any and all human capacity for violence or emotional action...and that's a lot more dehumanizing than any armed society could ever be.

The same logical short-circuit occurs in nationalism and militarism "but we need an army to protect us from other armies!" and since the argument is circular well... it leads no where, except to a lot of waste.

This phenomenon, called the "security dilemma" in international politics, requires a critical ingredient: misunderstanding of intent. The security dilemma occurs when State A masses military force for defensive purposes, but State B intreprets this massing as an offensive action. Thus, Country B mistakenly beings building up its own military in response, causing State A to assume an offensive intent. Repeat cycle until war occurs.

If, however, it is understood that State A harbors not offensive or other ill will to any other state, then the security dilemma is avoided. Note, for instance, the greater Western European and Atlantic (including the United States, Canada, and Mexico) community. Many militaries, including some very powerful individuals (United States) and collective forces (NATO). Yet war among (most of) the members of this community is a preposterous idea. Sure, there is plenty of political conflict, but the idea that such would escalate to war is simply unthinkable.

Thus the amassing of military force, or other tools that can be put to violent use, need not necessarily result in a vicious circle of any kind.

Some need to understand that those who see value in firearms use and ownership do not necessarily harbor any ill will or evil intent (in fact, the firearms enthusiasts I have known have also been some of the most trustworthy and upstanding people I have known). And then firearms enthusiasts need to understand how their hobby can make other people uncomfortable (there are plenty of people who are not trustworthy, and need to be dealt with accordingly).

In short, the key to defusing the cycle observed is not to abolish militaries or guns or whatever else. The solution is to get people to sit down and understand each other, to dismiss hyperbolic politics ("the commies are gunna take all our guns away!" or "those rednecked hicks are pro-muder and crime!") as the nonsense that it is. That nonsense is what fuels the cycle that one has pointed out.

One redneck, smarter than rest, will read this article (I said he was smarter) and actually put his support behind the gays in the military. Not because of gay rights and such, but he realizes he can leave it to Al-Qaeda and friends to thin out the gay population. Of course that's assuming there is one redneck smarter than the rest....

This was sarcasm for those to ignorant to realize.:rolleyes:

At least they're taking steps to reduce discrimination. The military in general (and this goes for a multitude of countries) needs, in my opinion, to take serious steps to hinder discrimination of minorities, women and gay people. The situation today is better than 10 years ago, but more needs to be done.


Thankful, this "immigrant" is, no doubt. I mean, Snoreway? Please.
forget norway
kenyaaaaa
oh kenyaaaa
where the giraffes are
and the zebra
kenya kenya kenya kenyaaaaa
kenya we're going to kenya
belive it
:cool:

This phenomenon, called the "security dilemma" in international politics, requires a critical ingredient: misunderstanding of intent. The security dilemma occurs when State A masses military force for defensive purposes, but State B intreprets this massing as an offensive action. Thus, Country B mistakenly beings building up its own military in response, causing State A to assume an offensive intent. Repeat cycle until war occurs.

If, however, it is understood that State A harbors not offensive or other ill will to any other state, then the security dilemma is avoided. Note, for instance, the greater Western European and Atlantic (including the United States, Canada, and Mexico) community. Many militaries, including some very powerful individuals (United States) and collective forces (NATO). Yet war among (most of) the members of this community is a preposterous idea. Sure, there is plenty of political conflict, but the idea that such would escalate to war is simply unthinkable.

Thus the amassing of military force, or other tools that can be put to violent use, need not necessarily result in a vicious circle of any kind.

Some need to understand that those who see value in firearms use and ownership do not necessarily harbor any ill will or evil intent (in fact, the firearms enthusiasts I have known have also been some of the most trustworthy and upstanding people I have known). And then firearms enthusiasts need to understand how their hobby can make other people uncomfortable (there are plenty of people who are not trustworthy, and need to be dealt with accordingly).

In short, the key to defusing the cycle observed is not to abolish militaries or guns or whatever else. The solution is to get people to sit down and understand each other, to dismiss hyperbolic politics ("the commies are gunna take all our guns away!" or "those rednecked hicks are pro-muder and crime!") as the nonsense that it is. That nonsense is what fuels the cycle that one has pointed out.

Yeah. I mean, even Sweden has an army. One of the most advanced. And when was the last time they were involved in a war? I think it was 1814 or something...

Cute attempt. I would not join the military in any case though. I have better uses for my time.

Gays in the US are more educated and higher-income than average, two things which have a strong negative corrolation with violent crime.

Seem like the ideal people to arm.