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Operation Rio Grande=Instante deportation back to Mehico. Texas is enforcing (Right now) all federal laws on immigration despite a 30% cut in money from the Feds. Rock on Perry!

SAN ANTONIO -- The state plans to install security cameras with night vision along some of the most isolated and dangerous stretches of the Texas-Mexico border to monitor illegal immigration and drug trafficking, Gov. Rick Perry said Thursday.

The $5 million project will send the images to state, local and federal authorities, Perry said. The images also will be posted on the Internet in real time, and if citizens see a crime, they can call an 800 number to report it.

"I look at this as not different from the neighborhood watches we have had in our communities for years and years," Perry said.

The effort is part of a border security initiative that Perry launched Thursday, saying the state must step up efforts in response to inactivity by the federal government. On Wednesday, the Department of Homeland Security announced that Texas would receive a 30 percent cut in counterterrorism funding.

The governor said he'll allocate $20 million in this two-year budget cycle to continue Operation Rio Grande, an ongoing border security plan. That money will pay for officer overtime and equipment such as body armor, four-wheel drive vehicles and night-vision goggles. He plans to ask the Legislature next year to authorize $100 million more for the operation.

Also Wednesday, Maj. Gen. Charles Rodriguez, adjutant general of the Texas Military Forces, said he expects National Guard troops to be on the border this month. The troops are part of President Bush's plan to dispatch up to 6,000 National Guard members to states bordering Mexico to support the Border Patrol and help stem the flow of illegal immigrants across the border.

Good to see that hatred of the Brown Menace is still strong enough to over-rule foolish liberal concerns like education, health care, social services, and the building of roads.

Good to see that hatred of the Brown Menace is still strong enough to over-rule foolish liberal concerns like education, health care, social services, and the building of roads.

Those? They're fine. Public outrage and pressure is mounting on the illegal immigration issue...Perry is a politician..he will do what WE want.

And yes, I SHIPPPED A BRICK to gov'nuh perry...looks like it worked.

About time, send the illeagles back as soon as they are found.

If they want to come here fine do so leagly

About time, send the illeagles back as soon as they are found.

If they want to come here fine do so leagly

I really want to take what you just said and put "literate" where you put "leagle." It's "legal." Oy! Anyway...

In the case of economic pursuers, I'd agree with you. In the case of refugees, no, I really don't. Often, refugees don't have the time to do it right.

This draws a resounding "Meh" from me. Although I disagree with what they're doing, I do commend the state of Texas for taking up perceived slack from Washington. Maybe eventually, people will see that the states don't need Uncle Sam to hold their hands all of the time.

Good to see that hatred of the Brown Menace is still strong enough to over-rule foolish liberal concerns like education, health care, social services, and the building of roads.
Nothing to do with racism... you just wish it did because it helps justify your own "hatred" of those who are opposed to illegal immigration.

Nothing to do with racism... you just wish it did because it helps justify your own "hatred" of those who are opposed to illegal immigration.

Not racism, true. It's something infinitely more ignorant and idiotic...

...Nationalism.

Not racism, true. It's something infinitely more ignorant and idiotic...

...Nationalism.


This is true. Besides, no matter what anyone thinks, blocking immigration will never work in the US. The reason things are stalled in Washington is because all of those corporations who benefit from cheap labor are pulling the strings to kill any initiatives that would hinder any immigration, legal or illegal.

Remember, this is just another smoke screen issue designed to divert attention from the real crimes being commited by the Bush administration. Americans are just too ignorant to see that...:rolleyes:

This is true. Besides, no matter what anyone thinks, blocking immigration will never work in the US. The reason things are stalled in Washington is because all of those corporations who benefit from cheap labor are pulling the strings to kill any initiatives that would hinder any immigration, legal or illegal.

Remember, this is just another smoke screen issue designed to divert attention from the real crimes being commited by the Bush administration. Americans are just too ignorant to see that...:rolleyes:

All we have to do to alleviate this problem is force the employers to pay the illegal immigrants a minimum wage at the very least.

But no. "If they're not citizens, they don't exist!" --- THIS dumb-fuck mentality is what allows corporations like Wal-Mart to pay illegal "aliens" (humans are aliens? funny) ridiculously low wages ($3.15 an hour, anyone?).

Ugh.

Not racism, true. It's something infinitely more ignorant and idiotic...

...Nationalism.
Nothing wrong with nationalism, unless one is against 'isms in general.
Unrestrained immigration would ruin this country. That's simply a fact.

A sudden drop of immigration (to zero) would ruin this country. That's another fact.

Some middle ground needs be found.

But the real answer isn't immigration reform, it's reform of the countries that are sending their immigrants here.
Immigration reform is simply a band aid on the sympton.
"Nation reform" is the cure to the disease.

All we have to do to alleviate this problem is force the employers to pay the illegal immigrants a minimum wage at the very least.

But no. "If they're not citizens, they don't exist!" --- THIS dumb-fuck mentality is what allows corporations like Wal-Mart to pay illegal "aliens" (humans are aliens? funny) ridiculously low wages ($3.15 an hour, anyone?).

Ugh.
A better way would be to prevent employers from deducting employee's wages from their taxes if said employee is not in this country legally.

A better way would be to prevent employers from deducting employee's wages from their taxes if said employee is not in this country legally.

Why not both? :p

Nothing to do with racism... you just wish it did because it helps justify your own "hatred" of those who are opposed to illegal immigration.

Oh, NOTHING to do with racism?

So, you would say that there is no one who is opposed to illegal immigration, who is also opposed to legal immigration or foreigners and/or latinos in general? In other words, everyone who is against illegal immigration is non-racist and non-xenophobic?

Not racism, true. It's something infinitely more ignorant and idiotic...

...Nationalism.

What do you call skipping school so you can wave around a flag of a country different than what is giving you free education and healthcare, while singing the national anthem of a country in a different language?

The Mexicans are just as culpable.

Parthini']The Mexicans are just as culpable.

Heh. Your use of the word "Mexicans" is obviously deragatory.

Your argument is nullified because of that.

Oh, NOTHING to do with racism?

So, you would say that there is no one who is opposed to illegal immigration, who is also opposed to legal immigration or foreigners and/or latinos in general? In other words, everyone who is against illegal immigration is non-racist and non-xenophobic?

You can't just make general statements about that. There were probably a few Nazi Jews and Heretical Bishops. Just because there are a few assholes out there, doesn't mean the whole group is the same way.

Heh. Your use of the word "Mexicans" is obviously deragatory.

Your argument is nullified because of that.

No. My use of "Mexicans" is because that is the nation of their birth; obvious due to the fact that they're WAVING THE MEXICAN FLAG WHILE SINGING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM IN SPANISH.

About time, send the illeagles back as soon as they are found.

If they want to come here fine do so leagly
Yes, because the US Immigration Department is so willing to accept visa applications from their southern neighbour

Parthini']No. My use of "Mexicans" is because that is the nation of their birth; obvious due to the fact that their WAVING THE MEXICAN FLAG WHILE SINGING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM IN SPANISH.

I know it wasn't deragatory. I'm just messing with you (I'm tired and bored as fuck).

And, might I ask, what exactly is wrong about them doing that? I honestly didn't give a shit. Flags are colored cloth, and songs are just that --- songs.

It's the concept.

I don't care if they wave their flags, but they are doing it just for spite.

That and they got to skip school...:(

BTW, I personally think Rick Perry sucks, although, to be truthful, he doesn't have very much, if any power. The Lt. Governor runs most of everything and its the Texas Legislature which ensures that Texas Schools are among the worst in the country.

Ahh... But I still love the place :)

Parthini']It's the concept.

I don't care if they wave their flags, but they are doing it just for spite.

That and they got to skip school...:(

I'd do it for spite along with them, because you should hear what those kids get called in the schools around here.

I'd do it for spite along with them, because you should hear what those kids get called in the schools around here.

You should see what happens to white kids around here! Things are different when you're a minority.

And I'm white as a wall... a white wall...

The only way Perry would get a brick from me is if I got to throw it at him. He's a puppet with a puppeteer who can't even find the strings, let alone pull them.

Parthini']You should see what happens to white kids around here! Things are different when you're a minority.

And I'm white as a wall... a white wall...

I was one of about twelve white kids in a school of over 600 students in Port Isabel. The only people who treated me badly were the teachers.

The Mexican kids were some of the nicest I've ever known.

Nothing to do with racism

of course not. that's why there's been a sudden rush to declare english the national language, and the rightwing media has been openly talking about the need to secure the existence of 'our' people and a future for white children.

Parthini']You should see what happens to white kids around here! Things are different when you're a minority.

And I'm white as a wall... a white wall...

Emphasis is Mine

And that justifies turning the same racism around? It is, in fact, a fear of that situation that drives people to try and close the borders. Ironically, the party that would gain the most power from freer immigration is the Republicans (a large portion of Latin American Immigrants are socially conservative, and for the most part favor the Republicans).

You wouldn't even need huge fences or massive border patrols if they just put cameras up to cover the border. Just response teams and a group of people to watch the cameras.

Someone online suggested that they should hook up loudspeakers with the cameras so that people can shout at Mexican illegals as they cross the border from the net :P

You wouldn't even need huge fences or massive border patrols if they just put cameras up to cover the border. Just response teams and a group of people to watch the cameras.

Someone online suggested that they should hook up loudspeakers with the cameras so that people can shout at Mexican illegals as they cross the border from the net :P

I suppose it would be fair warning about the racism that they were about to face, so it might be beneficial for them.

Port Isabel? Huh... How long ago?

Been to Laredo, recently though?

And that justifies turning the same racism around? It is, in fact, a fear of that situation that drives people to try and close the borders. Ironically, the party that would gain the most power from freer immigration is the Republicans (a large portion of Latin American Immigrants are socially conservative, and for the most part favor the Republicans).

Uhh, who's being racist? All I said is that it pissed me off when they were saying the pledge (actually I said sung the anthem), and waving Mexican Flags in America.

Just pisses me off that Mexicans (yes Mexicans, not Mexican-Americans) can wave their flag around, but a good ol' Texas boy can't sing Dixie and wave his Battle Flag around without getting stones thrown at him.

Parthini']Port Isabel? Huh... How long ago?

Been to Laredo, recently though?

I was in Port Isabel's Derry Elementary in 1997. Third Grade. And I've never lived in Laredo.

Of course, the other kids might've been nice to me since I sound like I'm from way up North. Think a cross between Minnesota, Michigan, Pennsylvania, New York, and Connecticut. There's not even a hint of Texas in my voice (I grew up in Port Aransas around a lot of Midwesterners and New Englanders).

Huh... I grew up in San Marcos but moved to Corpus in the first Grade. Trust me, they get meaner when they get older... But those guys are in the minority. Most of them are (sorta) hard working men and women who are just trying to get by in the dump that is Corpus Christi.

There's a reason I went to boarding school...

I suppose it would be fair warning about the racism that they were about to face, so it might be beneficial for them.
Racism tends to die off when people nationalize themselves. They're not afraid of people who are a different colour. They're afraid of people who don't want to celebrate their culture. People divide themselves into countries so that they don't have to worry about other cultures trampling on theres - almost all nations today are divided by cultures. That's what makes immigration - especially illegal immigration - such a sensitive topic. Plus the West is subject to so much of it when their immigration outwards is so minimal that in general people feel like their culture - and their nation - is in jeopardy because of it.

Got to ask, though. Do you think if we sent, say, 1,000,000 white Americans or Canadians to live in Mexico or India, do you think they would not be subject to racism? I certainly think they would - in fact, I'd say I know they would be.

Parthini']Huh... I grew up in San Marcos but moved to Corpus in the first Grade. Trust me, they get meaner when they get older... But those guys are in the minority. Most of them are (sorta) hard working men and women who are just trying to get by in the dump that is Corpus Christi.

There's a reason I went to boarding school...

Corpus Christi, a dump? Dude, what the hell are you talking about? Maybe the part by the refineries, but that's not much of the city at all.

Corpus Christi, a dump? Dude, what the hell are you talking about? Maybe the part by the refineries, but that's not much of the city at all.

Maybe a dump is a bit extreme, but I am talking about Corpus Christi, not Padre or Mustang Island. Beach cleanups are great when you find used condoms and beer bottles everywhere.

I guess I'm just spoiled after going to school in Austin for a few years :p

Those? They're fine.

As someone who has lived in Texas for most of his 36 years, I can tell you with a great deal of confidence that you are wrong. Texas is on the verge of dropping to third world nation status. And that has nothing to do with immigration. Education is a joke here. Have you not been paying attention to the raging battles in the state legislature over it? We rank very low when compared to the rest of the nation on standardized tests. Almost 30% of the population here have no health coverage and hospitals and emergency rooms here regularly turn people away. Social services are almost non existant. If you are poor, elderly, disabled, homeless, or in need of any type of aid, you're S.O.L. The only thing the state does spend money on are the roads.

Perry is an ass hat. I, and most folks I know, are voting Kinky this fall. We need big change down here.

Parthini']Maybe a dump is a bit extreme, but I am talking about Corpus Christi, not Padre or Mustang Island. Beach cleanups are great when you find used condoms and beer bottles everywhere.

I guess I'm just spoiled after going to school in Austin for a few years :p

I lived in Port Aransas for awhile. 1991 - 1992, then 1993 - early 1995. Great place.

I can vouch for that.

The thing about roads is true too. Highway projects in any city nearly rival the Big Dig in idiocy, and I swear, Ocean Drive has been being worked on for like 10 years and there is no change...

Parthini']I can vouch for that.

The thing about roads is true too. Highway projects in any city nearly rival the Big Dig in idiocy, and I swear, Ocean Drive has been being worked on for like 10 years and there is no change...

Hey, at least it's not as bad as I-10 in Houston. :p

I lived in Port Aransas for awhile. 1991 - 1992, then 1993 - early 1995. Great place.

Ah... Port A is a totally different story. The people are all (generally) friendly and there is a nice drunk college student dispairity.

Corpus though... man downtown is bad. It's gotten worse I think.

Parthini']Ah... Port A is a totally different story. The people are all (generally) friendly and there is a nice drunk college student dispairity.

Corpus though... man downtown is bad. It's gotten worse I think.

Downtown was better than it was when I lived in Port A. I was there back in July of 2005; it was noticeably nicer, though they were still restoring stuff.

of course not. that's why there's been a sudden rush to declare english the national language, and the rightwing media has been openly talking about the need to secure the existence of 'our' people and a future for white children.
English as a national language has nothing to do with race. It has to do with asimilation.

And making up crap to help your argument, doesn't.

Downtown was better than it was when I lived in Port A. I was there back in July of 2005; it was noticeably nicer, though they were still restoring stuff.

Well, I wasn't there/aware back in '95. Oh well. Maybe I'm just cynical...

Parthini']Well, I wasn't there/aware back in '95. Oh well. Maybe I'm just cynical...

Heh, most likely. Port A's definitely grown a lot in the years since I've been away. And what's funny is that most of the "immigrants" seem to be from the Northern states (it's so because most of the people who lived there when I did were from the North).

It's still my favorite town. It's too easy-going to really hate it at all.

Those? They're fine. Public outrage and pressure is mounting on the illegal immigration issue...Perry is a politician..he will do what WE want.

And yes, I SHIPPPED A BRICK to gov'nuh perry...looks like it worked.

Was this a brick of the sort you use to build walls or of the sort that gets smuggled across the border so folks can toke up? ;)

Heh, most likely. Port A's definitely grown a lot in the years since I've been away. And what's funny is that most of the "immigrants" seem to be from the Northern states (it's so because most of the people who lived there when I did were from the North).

It's still my favorite town. It's too easy-going to really hate it at all.

Fo sho.

Education, like they said, still blows. And I'm really mad that they fucked up the Landry's deal. There isn't enough to do in this town.

Parthini']Fo sho.

Education, like they said, still blows. And I'm really mad that they fucked up the Landry's deal. There isn't enough to do in this town.

Ah, there's plenty to do when you know the right people. I was never bored with the friends I had (a lot of them still live there, though some of them only live there during the summer).

Ah, there's plenty to do when you know the right people. I was never bored with the friends I had (a lot of them still live there, though some of them only live there during the summer).

Like I said. Spoiled by Austin.

That and boarding school basically eliminates your relationships, aside from your best friends.

Parthini']Like I said. Spoiled by Austin.

That and boarding school basically eliminates your relationships, aside from your best friends.

Yeah, Austin has everything.

Ugh. Home school is the exact same way. The last new friend I made (barring the internet) was back in 1996. And I don't even think he knows me anymore.

Yeah, Austin has everything.

Ugh. Home school is the exact same way. The last new friend I made (barring the internet) was back in 1996. And I don't even think he knows me anymore.

Austin doesn't have an ocean beach. The lake may be fine for Westlakers, but nothing beats an ocean breeze and salty sand and the threat of Man-o-wars stinging you.

I miss that place already. Just driving through there gives me a good feeling....

What gives me a bad feeling is that I have to get up in 3 1/2 hours... G'night Potarius! I think we successfully hijacked this thread :cool:

Parthini']Austin doesn't have an ocean beach. The lake may be fine for Westlakers, but nothing beats an ocean breeze and salty sand and the threat of Man-o-wars stinging you.

I miss that place already. Just driving through there gives me a good feeling....

What gives me a bad feeling is that I have to get up in 3 1/2 hours... G'night Potarius! I think we successfully hijacked this thread :cool:

*nods*

With our powers combined, we can hijack any thread! Trek any trail! Climb any mountain! Use any phone!

And not just any phones. God-fearing phones, Parth. Phones that everyone else gave up on, but you and I stuck with because we were a team!

...

As someone who has lived in Texas for most of his 36 years, I can tell you with a great deal of confidence that you are wrong. Texas is on the verge of dropping to third world nation status. And that has nothing to do with immigration. Education is a joke here. Have you not been paying attention to the raging battles in the state legislature over it? We rank very low when compared to the rest of the nation on standardized tests. Almost 30% of the population here have no health coverage and hospitals and emergency rooms here regularly turn people away. Social services are almost non existant. If you are poor, elderly, disabled, homeless, or in need of any type of aid, you're S.O.L. The only thing the state does spend money on are the roads.

Perry is an ass hat. I, and most folks I know, are voting Kinky this fall. We need big change down here.

i am not from texas,my brother's law firm has an office in houston,but his main spot is new orleans.
but he loves texas,then again he makes six figures so i suppose his 1 house there is in a nice spot.
his place in no is awesome,but after the hurricane,he debated going to texas permantly,but his kids have deep roots in no.

that aside,i am not familiar with texas politics,but cant one blame the horrid state of the education system on good ole bush?

iam neither democrat or repub,but it seems to me,that bush was gov. for awhile,and education systems dont fall apart overnight now do they?

not that he is totally to blame,but i am sure his trickle down policies had some effect.
as i am sure the burden placed on the system by non taxpaying illegal immigrants do,like they also drain the hell out of the health budget as they dont pay their bills,dont have insurance...so it comes from the taxpayers.

people are mistaken if they think the immigration issue is rascist..it is not..it is mostly concern on the taxpayers carrying the load,while corporations/businesses get cheap labor without paying in to the system,the illegals do not pay in to the system,yet drain the health and education budget.
not to mention the whole crime issue(investigations/law enforcement/incarcerations/victim compensation..etc)

probably why bush and other politicians look the other way on the issue,their contributors make mad money off cheap,uninsured labor..while the middle class picks up the tab to the tune of billions in health and education costs,and that is ignoring the crime issue.

but since when have politicos gave a shit about crime,they have protection and live in gated communities(like my brother)and it gives them something to declare "war" on and do nothing while sounding concerned.

what a mess.

if the gov of texas wants to shut down the border..for real..then good for him!

I like Governor Perry; he's a good man, but he needs to be pro-active, he's not always out there getting stuff done like Governor Bush was.

So if this is so important why did Texas get a cut for the funding? Weird Americans.

So if this is so important why did Texas get a cut for the funding? Weird Americans.

The Republicans have to appease their "NASCAR Dad" base, who fear losing jobs and wages to cheap Mexican labor.

However, they also have to avoid angering their wealthy contributors, who regularly exploit cheap Mexican labor.

So, they have to look like their doing something, without actually making any real impact. At the same time, they're shifting security funds to areas where they're congressional incumbents need good PR.

That's the main problem with political parties. They are more concerned with getting and maintaining the upperhand, than getting anything accomplished.

Was this a brick of the sort you use to build walls or of the sort that gets smuggled across the border so folks can toke up? ;)

Well I put in a bottle of KY jelly, so if he didn't use it for a wall he could use it for another purpose come voting time.

About time, send the illeagles back as soon as they are found.
The poor sick birdies and all you want to do is throw them out into the wild. For shame.

of course not. that's why there's been a sudden rush to declare english the national language, and the rightwing media has been openly talking about the need to secure the existence of 'our' people and a future for white children.

Why not English as the national language???? Why should I have to know Spanish to get a government job, or a job in an area where they are a lot of Spanish speaking people… In France French is the national language, same goes for Germany (German), Spain(Spanish), Italy (Italian) and so on and on and on. English should be the national language of the US.

Yes, because the US Immigration Department is so willing to accept visa applications from their southern neighbour

Yup the Department of Immigration and naturalization is nothing more then a group of racists looking out for the "white man" maybe if more would try to get in legally more visas would be given out. But why should they try that it would mean they would have to prove who they are and why they want to come here and all sorts of other paper work, man just to much work to be legal so much easier to just jump the border and be illegal….

Those? They're fine. Public outrage and pressure is mounting on the illegal immigration issue...Perry is a politician..he will do what WE want.

And yes, I SHIPPPED A BRICK to gov'nuh perry...looks like it worked.

Oh, yeah, American education and healthcare is just great. That is, for those who can afford it.

So if this is so important why did Texas get a cut for the funding? Weird Americans.

Beats me. Feds are never straightforward in their thinking. Somehow "Black power" is trademarked, however "White power" is considered racist. Beats me.

Was this a brick of the sort you use to build walls or of the sort that gets smuggled across the border so folks can toke up? ;)

POLICIA! POLICIA! LA MIGRA! LA MIGRA! Quick, Pancho, RUN!

:D

Oh, yeah, American education and healthcare is just great. That is, for those who can afford it.

Education sucks, and it will NEVER get better. Blah I couldn't care less about healthcare. I'm fine and well off with coverage for my employer, and I am not willing to pay for someone else's. No to socialism...