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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/214/214729_fans_told_dont_mention_the_war.html

Police are to place special bins at the airport to persuade supporters to leave any Nazi Second World War memorabilia behind.

I was going to try to turn this into a parody of the UK knife amnesty threads floating about at the moment. But quite frankly, I'm a little bit drunk, and couldn't think of a way to put it down.

Its not really an amnesty but more an aid to the german police. Seen as it is an offence in germany to have the nazi memorabilia, and loads of people are giong to germany for the world cup, it makes sence.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/214/214729_fans_told_dont_mention_the_war.html



I was going to try to turn this into a parody of the UK knife amnesty threads floating about at the moment. But quite frankly, I'm a little bit drunk, and couldn't think of a way to put it down.

Happens to the best of us.

And now for my retort to this stupid concept of Nazi memorabilia amnesty. Seeing as all memorabilia has its roots in concepts and events of the past, removing such objects from the public is a crime in itself. It prevents the people from recieving a first-hand look at such artifacts of the past, good or bad.

Interesting?

If you were in the German army, is against the law if you still have your gear?

Hilarious. Germany goes and leaves litter all over Europe 60 odd years ago but if you bring any back into Germany now you'll be arrested because it is embarrassing to see.

Damn it, I'll have to leave my downed Messerschmitt Bf-109E4 at home...I don't think it'll fit in the bin.

Damn it, I'll have to leave my downed Messerschmitt Bf-109E4 at home...I don't think it'll fit in the bin.

I think I'm actually in line to eventually inherit a real swastika flag - doubtless with hilarious Father Tedesque consequences.

*Wonders idly if Hitler's Brain will turn up in a bin*

:p

Either way, I see the entire idea behind this. Hooligans tend to be trouble makers. Sorry for that generalization.

Still, since people view them as such, it only makes sense that the police take some precautions that aren't really that awful.

*Wonders idly if Hitler's Brain will turn up in a bin*

No, just his clones...:eek:

I think I'm actually in line to eventually inherit a real swastika flag - doubtless with hilarious Father Tedesque consequences.

I'm not going to inherit much WWII memorabilia due to the fact that my grandfather spent almost the entire war stationed in Bermuda...

I think I prefer the Russian attitude to their past regime:
"Screw it, we already have red stars on everything the army operates, lets just keep it."
:P

I think I prefer the Russian attitude to their past regime:
"Screw it, we already have red stars on everything the army operates, lets just keep it."
:P

Russia didn't lose :p

And red stars are awesome in a special kind of way.

Russia didn't lose :p

And red stars are awesome in a special kind of way.
Some of the Nazi stuff looks awesome too though.

Some of the Nazi stuff looks awesome too though.

Yeah, but when people think Nazi they think bad stuff. (I admit, they were quite organized and well-dressed).

When people think communism, Gulags and the KGB are the second thought. The first thought is comradeship and equality.

I'm off to bed.

Yeah, but when people think Nazi they think bad stuff. (I admit, they were quite organized and well-dressed).

When people think communism, Gulags and the KGB are the second thought. The first thought is comradeship and equality.
Indeed. Even though it was comradery and equality in name only. In essence, it was anything but. I think the Nazi stuff looks cooler anyway. Some of it is reminiscent of Imperial Germany.

Its not really an amnesty but more an aid to the german police. Seen as it is an offence in germany to have the nazi memorabilia, and loads of people are giong to germany for the world cup, it makes sence.
They should put up signs that say "Please help us erase history." I take memorabilia to mean original artifacts. If it's some douche skinhead who tatooed a swastika on his forearm because he's an asshat, he should have to cut his arm off, but if it is "memorabilia" in a historic sense, "Please help us erase history."

Indeed. Even though it was comradery and equality in name only. In essence, it was anything but. I think the Nazi stuff looks cooler anyway. Some of it is reminiscent of Imperial Germany.

Then I'd rather have stuff from Imperial Germany. It has less the feeling of death, destruction and evil and more regality, order and power.

And well, I guess comradeship really changes from place to place, from time to time.

BED!

They should put up signs that say "Please help us erase history." I take memorabilia to mean original artifacts. If it's some douche skinhead who tatooed a swastika on his forearm because he's an asshat, he should have to cut his arm off, but if it is "memorabilia" in a historic sense, "Please help us erase history."
More or less what it is really.

Then I'd rather have stuff from Imperial Germany. It has less the feeling of death, destruction and evil and more regality, order and power.
Ich auch. Given a choice between Soviet and Nazi stuff though, I think the Nazi stuff looks cooler.

And well, I guess comradeship really changes from place to place, from time to time.
Something like that. ;)

BED!
Nighty.

Some of the Nazi stuff looks awesome too though.
That's because of the Inverse Democratic Uniform Law: The less democratic you are, the better your uniforms become. :D

That's because of the Inverse Democratic Uniform Law: The less democratic you are, the better your uniforms become. :D
Time to abolish some democracy then. <.< Fashion precedes all other concerns. :)

Why bring it in the first place? What do you need swastikas for during a trip to Germany?

Why bring it in the first place? What do you need swastikas for during a trip to Germany?

If you don't get it, you don't get it :).

A favorite hobby of many England fans is to remind Germany of twentieth century history.

For, I suppose it makes themfeel bad.

"Please help us erase history."

Not really. Anything confiscated will probably be donated to a museum or some such. Also, fans are being told ahead of time that WWII memoribilia will be confiscated, so they can't complain if they bring, and lose, their favorite SS uniform

Interesting?

If you were in the German army, is against the law if you still have your gear?Depends. There is a call for anyone that received an Iron Cross while in the Wehrmacht to get it replaced with a swastika-less one.

That's because of the Inverse Democratic Uniform Law: The less democratic you are, the better your uniforms become. :DSukhomlinov effect actually: The fancier uniform always loses.

Sukhomlinov effect actually: The fancier uniform always loses.
ok, this is a bad excuse to put this picture in, but I saw it earlier and thought it was quite a facinating contrast of two cultures...or something...

It's the British and German Police running joint patrols for hooligans at British ports:

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/Slippery__Jim/_41717128_police416_pa.jpg

They should put up signs that say "Please help us erase history." I take memorabilia to mean original artifacts. If it's some douche skinhead who tatooed a swastika on his forearm because he's an asshat, he should have to cut his arm off, but if it is "memorabilia" in a historic sense, "Please help us erase history."That's bullshit. History isn't being "erased"; anyone that's been to Germany and seen all the historical sites or various museums on the era would know that. This is an effort to keep a certain unpleasant part of history being glorified.

Talking of Nazi memorabilia, I know of someone (hardly a friend) who likes collecting Nazi medals. Among his prized possessions in his collection is a medal Hitler awarded to German mothers for producing aryan babies for the Third Reich's army.

Whatever floats one's boat....

ok, this is a bad excuse to put this picture in, but I saw it earlier and thought it was quite a facinating contrast of two cultures...or something...

It's the British and German Police running joint patrols for hooligans at British ports:

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/Slippery__Jim/_41717128_police416_pa.jpg

Those policemen look a bit silly. If they caught me ram-raiding a liquor store I'd sooner think that they were going to take me on safari than bust me.

snip n' pic

Yeah, but Germany's special police are fucking awesome, though.

First of all, its stupid people from other countries take nazi memorablia to Germany just to piss off the germans. Why can't they have a little honor and just make their trip? Their going there to see the country/watch football games or make enemies?

Second of all, i dont see why people should get rid of "nazi memorablia". Stuff like that should be in an historical museum, and germans should get over it. Youth germans nowadays have no fault for what happened years ago, they shouldnt feel offended. Not as much as i do for human beings killing others.
Historical items, good or bad, should be kept. Being on museums or even people's houses. People around the world should try hard and correct their mistakes, and use history to see human faults. Bad things happen today, bad things will happen tomorrow. You can't be ashamed for things you didnt do, correct yourself, and try to help others. Learn to live in a society and stop whinning about past events.

Second of all, i dont see why people should get rid of "nazi memorablia". Stuff like that should be in an historical museum, and germans should get over it. Youth germans nowadays have no fault for what happened years ago, they shouldnt feel offended. Not as much as i do for human beings killing others.
Historical items, good or bad, should be kept. Being on museums or even people's houses. People around the world should try hard and correct their mistakes, and use history to see human faults. Bad things happen today, bad things will happen tomorrow. You can't be ashamed for things you didnt do, correct yourself, and try to help others. Learn to live in a society and stop whinning about past events.

That's exactly what I say. The Germans should get the fuck over it. Even Ahmadinejad says that (for once, he's right).

Err, I have turn over my copy of Return to Castle Wolfenstein and Wolfenstein 3D then?

I'm an obsessive collector - wouldn't turn down a genuine Nazi item if given to me - unless it's some body part or WMD.

I think I'm actually in line to eventually inherit a real swastika flag - doubtless with hilarious Father Tedesque consequences.

I can explain everything....... No, I cant

Yeah, but Germany's special police are fucking awesome, though.
Psh.
The Swiss Guards are t3h pwnzor for awsomeness of uniforms.
Every army should go into battle in bright blue and yellow ;)

Stuff like that should be in an historical museum, and germans should get over it.

If it get confiscated it might end up in one.

I'm trying to find out what will happen. I think either it will go to a museum or the police will take and give a receipt so it can be collected was England get knocked out (:p).

I can't imagine that such artifacts will be destroyed.