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Well, (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/celebrities/content/local_news/epaper/2006/06/02/m2a_jose_col_0602.html) she's lawyered up at least.

Conservative pundit and best-selling political writer Ann Coulter has hired a white-glove, White House-connected law firm to fight allegations she voted illegally in February's Town of Palm Beach election.

And the attorney from the Miami-based Kenny Nachwalter firm is no stranger to Palm Beach voting. Marcos Jimenez — who was, along with the more famous Olson, one of the lead attorneys who fought for George W. Bush's side in the 2000 presidential election snafu here — was assigned to Coulter.

Jimenez, by the way, also knows a thing or two about criminals. Appointed by Bush as U.S. attorney for the southern district of Florida in 2002, Jimenez was charged with going after terrorists, drug dealers and wayward union bosses.

Jimenez returned to private practice last year.

"Mr. Jimenez asked us to send him all the correspondence we sent Ms. Coulter," deputy dlections chief Charmaine Kelly said.

A poll worker reported to his supervisors that he saw Coulter try to vote in the precinct closest to her Palm Beach home. But when she was told the address on her voter's registration was elsewhere, Coulter ran out instead of correcting it and ended up voting in a precinct that wasn't hers. Knowingly voting in the wrong precinct in Florida is a felony.

Elections Supervisor Arthur Anderson gave Coulter until April 30 to explain what happened, but she has yet to answer his registered letters. Now with Jimenez, Kelly said, officials will wait "a few more weeks" before starting a procedure that could strip Coulter of her right to vote here and refer the case to State Attorney Barry Krischer for possible prosecution.

Coulter couldn't be reached and Jimenez didn't return calls.

Wouldn't it be sweet if Ann Coulter were busted for vote fraud? Not that it would shut her up any.

Well, (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/celebrities/content/local_news/epaper/2006/06/02/m2a_jose_col_0602.html) she's lawyered up at least.



Wouldn't it be sweet if Ann Coulter were busted for vote fraud? Not that it would shut her up any.


*prays that Ann gets embarrassed enough to leave the country/planet*

too bad voting in the wrong precinct isnt TREASON

or at least an indication that she has a mental disease.

it has to be the utterly most trivial thing you can do to qualify for a felony. she does need to answer for it but felony conviction seems a bit much.

Though since it came from the woman who criticised voters in the 2000 election in Florida who were confused by the Butterfly Ballots and labelled them "idiots", it would be richly ironic if she was found guilty.

Worth repeating! :D

Though since it came from the woman who criticised voters in the 2000 election in Florida who were confused by the Butterfly Ballots and labelled them "idiots", it would be richly ironic if she was found guilty.

As with her kind, she probably did because she felt her time was too important to waste.....

Though since it came from the woman who criticised voters in the 2000 election in Florida who were confused by the Butterfly Ballots and labelled them "idiots", it would be richly ironic if she was found guilty.


They were confused by the ballots; she couldn't even find the right county! :p

Serves that bitchy blonde right.

Sorry, I'm on "post the first thing that comes to mind" mode.

Ok, big deal?

Ok, big deal?
No big deal. Just the irony factor--little more than that. Plus a little schadenfreude.

Ok, big deal?

It's some sort of US celebrity they pay too much attention to.

It's some sort of US celebrity they pay too much attention to.

Not really.

*prays that Ann gets embarrassed enough to leave the country/planet*

*universe*

Not really.

You're saying this person is not a celebrity?

You're saying this person is not a celebrity?

Nahh. There are still many people that say "who?" at the mention of her name.

She is a celeb in the conservative world of US politics. Even here there are some knuckle draggers that find her hot.

She opens her mouth and all interest disappears for me. ;)

<laughing hysterically>

First Rush, now Ann. May I please get the trifecta and see Hannity go to jail?

Nice law-abiding conservatives. My left bum cheek.

<laughing hysterically>

First Rush, now Ann. May I please get the trifecta and see Hannity go to jail?

Nice law-abiding conservatives. My left bum cheek.

Left for irony?

Someone beat her across the face with the ugly stick a wee bit too many times.

... I'm still wating for some one to defend her...:p

Nahh. There are still many people that say "who?" at the mention of her name.Indeed. None of the Canadians here know her and some of the Americans don't either.
She is a celeb in the conservative world of US politics. Even here there are some knuckle draggers that find her hot.

She opens her mouth and all interest disappears for me. ;)Character counts! :D

*holds up poster that says,* 'God Hates Ann Coulter'. :D

Well, I have heard of her, and I live in Britain.

May be because I am online so often though.

She seems like an American Melanie Griffiths... but worse.

I like Ann Coulter and cannot see that she voted knowlingly in the wrong precinct.

[I] cannot see that she voted knowlingly in the wrong precinct.That's why:
I like Ann Coulter...Ann Coulter is a fascist that quotes Neo-Nazis for her publications, either because she is a closet Nazi or because she is too stupid to check whom she is quoting.

That's why:
Ann Coulter is a fascist that quotes Neo-Nazis for her publications, either because she is a closet Nazi or because she is too stupid to check whom she is quoting.

*shrug*
She'll quote anything that has the 'right' sound to it.
'right' being hoi-polloi raving stupidity.
( And we all know that (crypto)nazism is a big bag full of hoi-polloi ranters ).

I think she is the beacon of conservatism.

I think she is the beacon of conservatism.Doesn't say much for conservatism if you consider such a dim light as your beacon...

I think she is the beacon of conservatism.Since when was conservatism about irresponsible economic policy, big government, criminal conduct nationally & internationally, expansionist warfare, fascism, religious intolerance & borderline religious war?

Last time I checked, it was about the exact opposite.

She's right on almost every issue and what's more she's not afraid to call the Muslim terrorists what they are: 'camel jockeys, jihad monkeys and tent merchants'.

Since when was conservatism about irresponsible economic policy, big government,

While I can agree they are not really conservative...


criminal conduct nationally & internationally, expansionist warfare, religious intolerance & borderline religious war?

These have often been common among some more conservative governments.


fascism

And conservatism has allied itself with fascism before


Last time I checked, it was about the exact opposite.

Though I would agree it is less about the above in recent history, so... maybe.

Any way, Coulter is not representative of conservatives, so I agree with you there.

I'd like to see Ann Coulter get her comeuppance as much as the next guy, but this is clearly political.

This law is designed to prevent deliberate vote fraud, and it is obvious that Ann was just being careless. Worthy of a misdemeanor at best. What's more, under the circumstances no one would care if she were not a celebrity and outspoken about her political views.

Since someone brought up Rush Limbaugh - another hack brought down by an idiotic law that shouldn't be on the books in the first place. Naturally it's ironic that he's a big supporter of said stupid law, but that doesn't mean I take any great joy in it.

Fact is, and I think I recall hearing that this was the opinion of a U.S. Congressman, "You can't get out of bed in the morning without breaking a law in America." We have so many goddamn laws that it is literally impossible not to break some of them. Of course, this suits the government well enough, as it has also been pointed out to me that is impossible to rule innocent men - but once you can be assured you can essentially blackmail the entire public, you can do with them what you will.

And so it continues.


Baldur

She's right on almost every issue and what's more she's not afraid to call the Muslim terrorists what they are: 'camel jockeys, jihad monkeys and tent merchants'.Yes, she's so far right that she's fascist. Silencing the opposition is a trademark of totalitarian regimes, and since Ann can hardly be considered communist, that would make her fascist.
And as I said before, either she really is a Nazi in disguise, or she's too stupid or lazy to check on the backgrounds of the people she quotes.

And as I said before, either she really is a Nazi in disguise [...]Is there any real doubt about that?

Is there any real doubt about that?

Yep, there is real doubt about that.

Does Dear Ann actually have an ideology - or is she just doing soundbites?

Is there any real doubt about that?I would. I can't read her mind. I don't read that many of her publications anyway, so I don't know if she has any more in common with Nazis. I have the impression though, that she doesn't consider herself a Nazi at all and would probably feel insulted and wronged if she were called one. Then again, she could be pretending. But it's "innocent until proven guilty" and it counts for Ann Coulter, too.

Yep, there is real doubt about that.

Does Dear Ann actually have an ideology - or is she just doing soundbites?

Right. I've wondered myself if the stuff she spouts is her own beliefs or if she's just doing it to make some money.

Right. I've wondered myself if the stuff she spouts is her own beliefs or if she's just doing it to make some money.

I'd bet 9/4 it started with the latter.

I was putting the why in the previous post because I do not know how things stand now.

*shrug*

I don't think she's actually nazi - but I think she kinda... NUTS.

Yep, there is real doubt about that.

Does Dear Ann actually have an ideology - or is she just doing soundbites?Hey, I was just being an ass. I thankfully don't know enough about the bitch to render any kind of meaningful judgement.

If she really was a nazi though, we presumably would've seen some rants about Condi.

Hey, I was just being an ass. I thankfully don't know enough about the bitch to render any kind of meaningful judgement.

If she really was a nazi though, we presumably would've seen some rants about Condi.

*snaps*
yes, I've noticed you being an ass.
Could you please knock it off?
If you spout a theory, at least try to make it a theory that you actually believe in yourself!

PS: one is appearently exempted from that if one is a MP for Bethnal Green.

Calm down. If you can't handle people making fun of Coulter, you seriously need a vacation. It's the sole justification for her existence, after all.

And as I said before, either she really is a Nazi in disguise, or she's too stupid or lazy to check on the backgrounds of the people she quotes.


Wow, I think it is totally great that you just compared someone who simply voices a different political view from you (just happens to do it on a national forum like books and media) to the perpretators of the worst crime the twentieth century ever saw. That makes alot of sense.

So when did having right leaning views make you a Nazi? I guess that makes anyone with left leaning views a Communist? I mean I hate to sound cheesy but why can't people just accept that other people are going to have different political beliefs and just be ok with that. Political debate (like Ann Coulter, Paul Begala, James Carville, Neil Cavuto, Sean Hannity, and Alan Colmes, do) is quite alright and needed in our political society. But, what is going on in this thread is surely not needed and I'd assume it is detrimental to the proceedings of a democracy. The very thing you all say you are upholding.

Calm down. If you can't handle people making fun of Coulter, you seriously need a vacation. It's the sole justification for her existence, after all.

Along with Pat Robertson and friends :D

Altough I'm swedish I have heard of Ann from Al Franken's book "Lies, and the lying liars who tell them". A book well worth reading if you are non-republican. Well, you should read it even IF you are a republican I think:D

A poll worker reported to his supervisors that he saw Coulter try to vote in the precinct closest to her Palm Beach home. But when she was told the address on her voter's registration was elsewhere, Coulter ran out instead of correcting it and ended up voting in a precinct that wasn't hers. Knowingly voting in the wrong precinct in Florida is a felony.

Damn you guys are really desperate to critisize. You had better consider this;
http://www.blogthevote.org/blog/archives/reports_by_state/mo_voting_problems/
Blackwell, Blunt and Republican election chiefs in Florida, Michigan and Colorado have been sued by Democratic groups for putting up hurdles in the counting of such ballots. Several, for instance, have ruled that ballots cast by eligible voters should be disqualified if they are cast in the wrong precinct, a move Democrats say disproportionately hurts poor voters, who may be more likely to move about.

Enjoy your stay in hypocrite-land.

As a Florida resident I can confirm - registered voter locations are laid out apparently by poorly trained monkees. I had to drive five miles - past no less than three other locations - to get to my registered location. I clearly told them that trained monkees could do a better job of laying out the voter locations - which seemed to anger them :) . I don't know how other states are but I think that was ridiculous.

http://www.advancementproject.org/franchise.html
The location of polling sites is itself a major issue for racial and economic equity on voting day. A recent study examining voting patterns in Atlanta documents that people who can vote at polling places within two blocks of their homes are substantially more likely to vote than those who must travel farther.
So, go ahead and be critical if you wish - just make sure to be consistent - be critical of all of the poor and minorities who also went to the wrong locations - send them all to jail!

well all i can say is i dont care about consistency, i hope she goes to jail as it would make me laugh

I find it telling that The Nazz is more preoccupied with Ann Coulter, O'Reilly, and Fox News than I am.

The law making voting in an incorrect precinct has been a felony in Florida for over 20 years. It is prominently displayed and FURTHER, when a Clerk and Poll Inspector tell you that you are in the wrong precinct and that voting in the incorrect precinct KNOWINGLY is a felony, you have no one to blame but yourself.

As for precinct locations. There is this complicated process called, getting the location for the precinct in the first place. It must be a PUBLIC building like a church, school or some other place equally accessible. These place (especially churches) are not always available for elections and an alternate location must be found. I've been part of this process before. Trying to get a pastor, principal, or rec center director to agree on letting 2 to 4 thousand strangers traipse through their building is a feat, and trust me...that's just the beginning of the problems.

Take a personal taste of these problems, be a poll worker for an election once. The pay isn't awful, usually somewhere between 100 to 200 dollars for a day's work.

The most time consuming part of the election board's job is vetting the books and making sure we send voters who are in the wrong precinct to the right one. Each person who has to be sent to Clerk or Assistant Clerk consumes 10 minutes or so of their time, sometimes more.

Finally, failing that...Supervisors of Election send out material in advance of an election telling you PRECISELY where your precinct is at, usually with a local area map, and always with street address. So is Ann lazy or stupid or both?

This is a case of Annie being a prima dona. Not only was she provided with the correct precinct in her mailing, she also was told by the Clerk or Assistant Clerk at the WRONG precinct, the address of her precinct. She has now complicated matters further by refusing to answer for it.

I genuinely hope they convict her. If they do, she has no one to blame but herself.

If they convict her, she will declare it a liberal conspiracy and all the idiots will believe her.

The law making voting in an incorrect precinct has been a felony in Florida for over 20 years. It is prominently displayed and FURTHER, when a Clerk and Poll Inspector tell you that you are in the wrong precinct and that voting in the incorrect precinct KNOWINGLY is a felony, you have no one to blame but yourself.

As for precinct locations. There is this complicated process called, getting the location for the precinct in the first place. It must be a PUBLIC building like a church, school or some other place equally accessible. These place (especially churches) are not always available for elections and an alternate location must be found. I've been part of this process before. Trying to get a pastor, principal, or rec center director to agree on letting 2 to 4 thousand strangers traipse through their building is a feat, and trust me...that's just the beginning of the problems.

Take a personal taste of these problems, be a poll worker for an election once. The pay isn't awful, usually somewhere between 100 to 200 dollars for a day's work.

The most time consuming part of the election board's job is vetting the books and making sure we send voters who are in the wrong precinct to the right one. Each person who has to be sent to Clerk or Assistant Clerk consumes 10 minutes or so of their time, sometimes more.

Finally, failing that...Supervisors of Election send out material in advance of an election telling you PRECISELY where your precinct is at, usually with a local area map, and always with street address. So is Ann lazy or stupid or both?

This is a case of Annie being a prima dona. Not only was she provided with the correct precinct in her mailing, she also was told by the Clerk or Assistant Clerk at the WRONG precinct, the address of her precinct. She has now complicated matters further by refusing to answer for it.

I genuinely hope they convict her. If they do, she has no one to blame but herself.

As I said - she should be treated no differently than any of the other voters who went to the wrong prescinct. Lock 'em all up!

As I said - she should be treated no differently than any of the other voters who went to the wrong prescinct. Lock 'em all up!
:rolleyes:

The way I read it, it sounded like Coulter had the opportunity to do something about it on the spot, something that wouldn't have even required her to go to another location. But apparently she felt she was above all that and decided to leave without doing anything. That speaks to an undeserved sense of entitlement (which is common among celebrities of all political stripes).

Now, should she be convicted of a felony (which is unlikely, largely because she is a celebrity), that would mean she would lose her right to vote in Florida, unless she successfully appealed to the governor to have those rights restored.

I think she is the beacon of conservatism.
You're just trolling now, aren't you?


Mind you, if she really is the beacon of conservatism, it would explain the shipwreck that is the Bush Administration.

I have had the unfortunate experience (perhaps fortunate, as I take every opportunity I can get to relay this fact) of sitting in at one of her speeches when she came to Chicago to speak at Loyola University.

First of all, I can guaruntee that she does the outrageous rabid conservative thing for the money. It draws crowds, she makes money. No one is that stupid.

The woman comes on stage wearing a hooker's skirt and boots (no joke, the boots were closer to her knees than the skirt) and then gives the audience dirty looks when she gets cat calls. Which of course prompted more cat calls.

Then she goes on ranting about how women shouldn't be allowed to vote, at all, which is ironic, because of the ties to free speech that voting has (voting being considered by many to be an act of speech), and here she is trying to get people to listen to her. The woman is a self-hater (or is pretending to be one) who doesn't think women should be involved at all in politics. One must ask the question, what is her glitch!?

When anybody in the audience presents a counter-point to any argument she makes, she dismisses it immediately. She makes no effort to present a counter-counter-point. What she does is call the person who made the point ugly. Honest to jebus, the woman has the worst public debate skills I've seen since Dubya. Now, there are plenty of muslim people at Loyola University. I won't get started on how that went. "Just what I'd expect from an ugly liberal man." According to her, liberalism makes you ugly.

She really is a stain on the trousers of humanity. I have had debates here and in the UN Forum with strongly conservative people that have been more fulfilling than her.

If they convict her, she will declare it a liberal conspiracy and all the idiots will believe her.

That's called the Tom DeLay strategy.

Aww, I thought this was going to be about how if the age she claims on her driver's license is correct, she registered to vote (and voted) at the age of 16.

:rolleyes:

The way I read it, it sounded like Coulter had the opportunity to do something about it on the spot, something that wouldn't have even required her to go to another location. But apparently she felt she was above all that and decided to leave without doing anything. That speaks to an undeserved sense of entitlement (which is common among celebrities of all political stripes).

Now, should she be convicted of a felony (which is unlikely, largely because she is a celebrity), that would mean she would lose her right to vote in Florida, unless she successfully appealed to the governor to have those rights restored.
Gee, do you think she has a chance appealing to the Governor of Florida?
http://www.joebrower.com/PHILE_PILE/PIX/GOOD_PEOPLE/Bush_Jeb/GW_and_Jeb_01.jpg

Yes, she's so far right that she's fascist. Silencing the opposition is a trademark of totalitarian regimes, and since Ann can hardly be considered communist, that would make her fascist.
And as I said before, either she really is a Nazi in disguise, or she's too stupid or lazy to check on the backgrounds of the people she quotes.

She does not believe in a state regulated economy, she believes in democracy, she does not believe in imperialism; how is she fascist?

She does not believe in a state regulated economy, she believes in democracy, she does not believe in imperialism; how is she fascist?
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity."
*cough*

Just one word..

*Sweet*

haha. I hate that woman!

Just one word..

*Sweet*

haha. I hate that woman!
We should all play find a lie on Coulter's Website.

she believes in democracy
She believes the right of women to vote should be repealed.

she does not believe in imperialism
She believes America should "bomb Syria back to the Stone Age".

how is she fascist?
She's not, I don't think. She's just a complete bitch.

I find it telling that The Nazz is more preoccupied with Ann Coulter, O'Reilly, and Fox News than I am.

Are you the one concerned with the Democrats then?

Wow, I think it is totally great that you just compared someone who simply voices a different political view from you (just happens to do it on a national forum like books and media) to the perpretators of the worst crime the twentieth century ever saw. That makes alot of sense.

So when did having right leaning views make you a Nazi? I guess that makes anyone with left leaning views a Communist? I mean I hate to sound cheesy but why can't people just accept that other people are going to have different political beliefs and just be ok with that. Political debate (like Ann Coulter, Paul Begala, James Carville, Neil Cavuto, Sean Hannity, and Alan Colmes, do) is quite alright and needed in our political society. But, what is going on in this thread is surely not needed and I'd assume it is detrimental to the proceedings of a democracy. The very thing you all say you are upholding.


I think it is pretty funny that the only person to say anything of consequence or real substance on this whole thread is this person Finklestadt.

The rest of you are pretty much saying that you don't care if your views are hypocritical or not, but that you just want that "bitch" (your word, not mine) locked up.

BUT nobody has responded to this Finklestadt post. No witty remarks back at this guy? Hmmm... I would assume that means you guys cannot go against anything he is saying. Ok, just continue with your useless diatribes then. :headbang:

I say cudos to Finklestadt!!!!!!!

I say cudos to Finklestadt!!!!!!!



Wow, thanks! I was wondering if anyone had read my post! :cool:

Wow, I think it is totally great that you just compared someone who simply voices a different political view from you (just happens to do it on a national forum like books and media) to the perpretators of the worst crime the twentieth century ever saw. That makes alot of sense.

So when did having right leaning views make you a Nazi? I guess that makes anyone with left leaning views a Communist? I mean I hate to sound cheesy but why can't people just accept that other people are going to have different political beliefs and just be ok with that. Political debate (like Ann Coulter, Paul Begala, James Carville, Neil Cavuto, Sean Hannity, and Alan Colmes, do) is quite alright and needed in our political society. But, what is going on in this thread is surely not needed and I'd assume it is detrimental to the proceedings of a democracy. The very thing you all say you are upholding.
I'll bite.

Because she says fascist things. She says crazy things. She's a crazy woman.

I'll bite.

Because she says fascist things. She says crazy things. She's a crazy woman.
The use of the word "fascist" is really irritating. Her political ideology isn't fascism: it's conservatism. Fascism has a specific meaning, and what she propounds doesn't meet with its criteria. "Fascist" is not an insult.

Furthermore, if I'm to baulk at the idea that "liberals are communists", then I intend on extending the same courtesy to the right.

The use of the word "fascist" is really irritating. Her political ideology isn't fascism: it's conservatism. Fascism has a specific meaning, and what she propounds doesn't meet with its criteria. "Fascist" is not an insult.

Furthermore, if I'm to baulk at the idea that "liberals are communists", then I intend on extending the same courtesy to the right.
One woman is not the right. She's crazy. When I talk about Ann Coulter, I talk about crazy people.

The use of the word "fascist" is really irritating. Her political ideology isn't fascism: it's conservatism. Fascism has a specific meaning, and what she propounds doesn't meet with its criteria. "Fascist" is not an insult.

Her political idealogy is not conservatism. It's nationalistic, high authoritarian, and pretty much meets all qualifications of social fascism.

One woman is not the right. She's crazy. When I talk about Ann Coulter, I talk about crazy people.
I'd rather, though, you rebutted her points - not made potshots at her, personally. That's the level to which she's sunk. Isn't it better to take the high road, and respond to her politically, rather than simply labelling her as "crazy" because you disagree with her?

I'd rather, though, you rebutted her points - not made potshots at her, personally. That's the level to which she's sunk. Isn't it better to take the high road, and respond to her politically, rather than simply labelling her as "crazy" because you disagree with her?
No, not really. It's a better excercise to give my brain a real argument to gnaw over. Not crazy talk by crazy people.

Her political idealogy is not conservatism. It's nationalistic, high authoritarian, and pretty much meets all qualifications of social fascism.
I wonder why you used the caveat "social" to preface your description of her as fascist. Perhaps because she's economically libertarian? Fascism incorporates a controlling role of the state in the economy she would no doubt denounce as "communist". I really don't think it's reasonable to class her as a fascist...and anyway, what does it accomplish? She still needs to be rebutted - you can't just compare her away.

I'd rather, though, you rebutted her points - not made potshots at her, personally. That's the level to which she's sunk. Isn't it better to take the high road, and respond to her politically, rather than simply labelling her as "crazy" because you disagree with her?
There's no use in responding to her points. It's been done and ignored far too often. Now she's treated like David Icke or Kent Hovind.

Plus, your suggestion would require Coulter to have points.

I wonder why you used the caveat "social" to preface your description of her as fascist. Perhaps because she's economically libertarian? Fascism incorporates a controlling role of the state in the economy she would no doubt denounce as "communist". I really don't think it's reasonable to class her as a fascist...and anyway, what does it accomplish? She still needs to be rebutted - you can't just compare her away.
Give us something to rebut... I can't find shit on her website.

No, not really. It's a better excercise to give my brain a real argument to gnaw over. Not crazy talk by crazy people.
Ah, the "her arguments are so futile I don't even need to deign respond to them" line.

Meh, if you just want to call her names and leave it at that, fair enough, but I fail to see how you're ever going to be able her "craziness" if you take that approach, or convince anyone that doesn't already agree with you.

I wonder why you used the caveat "social" to preface your description of her as fascist. Perhaps because she's economically libertarian? Fascism incorporates a controlling role of the state in the economy she would no doubt denounce as "communist". I really don't think it's reasonable to class her as a fascist...and anyway, what does it accomplish? She still needs to be rebutted - you can't just compare her away.
There's two types of fascism. Economic and social. They are different idealogies. I haven't read enough on her economic views to know if she has suggested corporations controlling the government, which is what economic fascism is.

Ah, the "her arguments are so futile I don't even need to deign respond to them" line.

Meh, if you just want to call her names and leave it at that, fair enough, but I fail to see how you're ever going to be able her "craziness" if you take that approach, or convince anyone that doesn't already agree with you.
Don't listen to crazy people. Are you convinced yet?

There's no use in responding to her points. It's been done and ignored far too often. Now she's treated like David Icke or Kent Hovind.
Well, that's true - in terms of her. However, there are disciples of hers who can always be debated with.

Plus, your suggestion would require Coulter to have points.
True. But occasionally, she does. For example, when she said that the identification of African-Americans with African culture amounted to a veneration of slavery. Now, it's total horseshit - but it's something that should be addressed.

The use of the word "fascist" is really irritating. Her political ideology isn't fascism: it's conservatism. Fascism has a specific meaning, and what she propounds doesn't meet with its criteria. "Fascist" is not an insult.

Furthermore, if I'm to baulk at the idea that "liberals are communists", then I intend on extending the same courtesy to the right.
No, it's fascism.

Yea its not like liberals have ever done anything

Ted Kennedy-Murder

Bill Clinton- Perjury+ Selling out to the Chinese

Al Gore- Sore loser who "invented" the internet, nothing illegal just hilarious.

John Edwards- A monster who can "speak w/the dead", again nothing illegal but it shows how morally bankrupt the left has become when a man fights to "get someone off" and not to really advance anyone but himself.

John Kerry- Purple Heart for bruises, a farce of a veteran.

No, it's fascism.


No she's a classic liberal, meaning small government, power to the people that sort of thing. The left-wing "liberals" are fascists, they want the government to have the power to do everything, control the economy, tell us what we can and can't do in every situation, kill millions of innocents.

Ted Kennedy-Murder
Involuntary manslaughter at worst. Get your goddamn terms straight.

Bill Clinton- Perjury+ Selling out to the Chinese
Perjury. Whoop-de-fucking-doo. Also, source that last statement.

Al Gore- Sore loser who "invented" the internet
The word he used was "created", not "invented". And as the person who spearheaded the legislation that resulted in the transformation of ARPAnet into the Internet, several definitions of "created" do apply.

John Edwards- A monster who can "speak w/the dead"
HAY GUYZ I CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE POLITICIAN AND THE GUY ON TV!

John Kerry- Purple Heart for bruises, a farce of a veteran.
Just keep telling yourself that.

No she's a classic liberal, meaning small government, power to the people that sort of thing. The left-wing "liberals" are fascists, they want the government to have the power to do everything, control the economy, tell us what we can and can't do in every situation, kill millions of innocents.
Well, I know I "shouldn't feed you" or whatever, but...

She's not a liberal by any means. She advocates severe curtailing of civil and political rights (including her own right to vote). She herself advocates the "kill[ing of] millions of innocents" - the bombing of Muslim countries. I fail to see how that is "power to the people".

Now, I'm not sure I can respond to the latter half, because you put "liberals" in inverted commas - meaning I'm not sure whether you're talking about actual liberals, or people who aren't liberals. Could you clarify?

No she's a classic liberal, meaning small government, power to the people that sort of thing. The left-wing "liberals" are fascists, they want the government to have the power to do everything, control the economy, tell us what we can and can't do in every situation, kill millions of innocents.
Fascism calls for the superiority of the corporation over the state. Try again, this time using a dictionary.

No she's a classic liberal, meaning small government, power to the people that sort of thing. The left-wing "liberals" are fascists, they want the government to have the power to do everything, control the economy, tell us what we can and can't do in every situation, kill millions of innocents.Oh really? To the very best of my knowledge, she swings wildly between being pro free trade & small government, to being pro subsidised industry & big covernment.

She is, however, highly consistent about wanting to outlaw everyone who doesn't fit her perception of a good citizen.

She's a schizo-fascist & completely mental. Nothing much to say about her & the shit she spews beyond that.

Yea its not like liberals have ever done anything

Ted Kennedy-Murder

I call Kennedy's Law, I call Kennedy's Law!

I call Kennedy's Law, I call Kennedy's Law!

That law wouldn't happen to include a kegger would it? Please???

I'm surprised no one besides me has commented on how Droskianishk can't tell the difference between John Kerry's running mate and the person who says he can talk to ghosts.

I'm surprised no one besides me has commented on how Droskianishk can't tell the difference between John Kerry's running mate and the person who says he can talk to ghosts.
Because it was just too stupid. I'm surprised he didn't get him confused with Jon Stewart.

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True. But occasionally, she does. For example, when she said that the identification of African-Americans with African culture amounted to a veneration of slavery. Now, it's total horseshit - but it's something that should be addressed.
Why should this be addressed? I mean beyond saying, for instance, "Stop saying crazy things, please."

Since when was conservatism about irresponsible economic policy, big government, criminal conduct nationally & internationally, expansionist warfare, fascism, religious intolerance & borderline religious war?

Last time I checked, it was about the exact opposite.


Fiscal responsibility -- not from any of the recent republican administrations
Small government -- theoretically, yes; in practice, no
Law Abiding -- Only if the NRA implemented the laws
Isolationist -- theoretically, yes; in practice, not usually; though, sometimes
Warfare -- Save the Bushs, no, they usually don't start an obscene amount of wars (see: isolationism)
Fascism -- Because all of the Neo-Nazis are gay-loving liberals?
Religious Tolerance -- Only if you're Christian
Religious Wars -- See: Culture War

Yea its not like liberals have ever done anything

Ted Kennedy-Murder

Bill Clinton- Perjury+ Selling out to the Chinese

Al Gore- Sore loser who "invented" the internet, nothing illegal just hilarious.

John Edwards- A monster who can "speak w/the dead", again nothing illegal but it shows how morally bankrupt the left has become when a man fights to "get someone off" and not to really advance anyone but himself.

John Kerry- Purple Heart for bruises, a farce of a veteran.

It's funny that some far right kook would accuse Clinton of selling out the US to China (there being no evidence whatsoever of that outside of a special edition Ann Coulter tinfoil hat,) when it can undeniably be said that Bush is literally selling out the US to China by running up an egregious deficit and then borrowing the bulk of that shortfall from China. In fact, George W's governemnt has borrowed more from foreign nations than ALL OTHER PRESIDENT's ADMINISTRATIONS COMBINED.

Hey folks, how do you like your taxes being used to pay off the interest to a Chinese loan? Your taxes...not helping rich Americans, not helping poor Americans, not doing anything but lining the pocket of China.

Pffffffffffft!

She believes the right of women to vote should be repealed.
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I didn't know that - got a link?

Well, (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/celebrities/content/local_news/epaper/2006/06/02/m2a_jose_col_0602.html) she's lawyered up at least.



Wouldn't it be sweet if Ann Coulter were busted for vote fraud? Not that it would shut her up any.
Just another case of Coulter's overwhelming belief in "Good for me, but not for thee."

Honestly, if I were a conservative I would be humiliated by this woman. She is held up as one of the best minds on the right wing...how sad is that.

I didn't know that - got a link?
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a9b46c52d1a.htm#253

Yea its not like liberals have ever done anything

Ted Kennedy-Murder

I find it fascinating that with all of the ammunition that exists against Ted Kennedy, that we STILL come back to this. It's been 40 years, get over it. We will NEVER know how this case would have been resolved. To me, this argument is moot. I dislike Ted Kennedy and I wish he would retire.


Bill Clinton- Perjury+ Selling out to the Chinese

George W. Bush- Lying sack of shit who got us into a war no one NEEDED or WANTED. It is almost beyond debate how much lying, self-serving bullshit has come out of this man's mouth.

Clinton perjured about a blowjob, Bush lied about war and the reasons for going to war. Which do you prefer?


Al Gore- Sore loser who "invented" the internet, nothing illegal just hilarious.

You are really ill-informed aren't you? That quote has been long taken out of context for years, but whatever makes you sleep at night.


John Edwards- A monster who can "speak w/the dead", again nothing illegal but it shows how morally bankrupt the left has become when a man fights to "get someone off" and not to really advance anyone but himself.

Monster, huh? Let me tell you what morally bankrupt is. Siding with a corporation that made a faulty piece of equipment that critically injured a child and then refused to take responsibility for it. That's moral bankruptcy my friend. Politicians are far from perfect, and trial lawyers are not exactly a sweet bunch either, but John Edwards is a pretty decent human being for a trial lawyer. Like all trial lawyers, he made money, but at least he tried to help some people along the way while helping himself.


John Kerry- Purple Heart for bruises, a farce of a veteran.

Now this burns my ass up. Where in the fuck was your precious Bush, Cheney and that sorry crowd in Vietnam? Safe with deferments (8 for Cheney), serving in the Texas Air National Guard flying obsolete fighter aircraft and running political campaigns.

John Kerry served in Vietnam in combat. NO amount of your idiotic assertions can change that. He served in combat zones. He EARNED a Silver Star and multiple Bronze Stars for valor, and you side with a bunch of PAID OFF sailors who did not even SERVE on his crew and see his valor first hand?

As a veteran your assertions piss me off beyond all measure, you sorry, putrid example of a human being. No one in combat has the luxury of time to think about doing such things, it's left to pissy whiny little morons like you who refuse to believe a liberal or a Democrat can serve their nation in combat with VALOR.

The number of Democrats in the US Senate who have seen combat exceeds Republicans by two to one. Even John McCain came to Kerry's defense, because unlike the sorry ass man who currently is President, he has some honor and some fucking integrity. Not to mention the fact that McCain himself was "Swift-boated" by this odious man and his crowd. A decorated POW who spent time in a prison camp, somehow made less of a patriot by the lying assertions of turds like Karl Rove who wouldn't have been caught dead in a military uniform, or Richard Perle to whom war is merely a set of abstract theories, or Douglas Feith who even General Tommy Franks called "the stupidest guy on the face of the earth."

I have no use for veterans who question other veterans decorations, especially 35 years after the fact. They make me sick, in fact.

Oh, yes...you bet this a flame job, pal. If you don't like...I could care less.

I have no use for veterans who question other veterans decorations, especially 35 years after the fact. They make me sick, in fact.



But you are more than willing to support veterans who came back from the war and immediately denounced his comrades-in-arms and what they were doing in Vietnam, made Propogandist remarks against what they were doing, and threw those medals that he received on the steps of congress (only later to claim them again when it would serve his political career some good)?

This man doesn't sicken you?

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3a9b46c52d1a.htm#253


edited would have been appreciated - here, let me...

Ann: Right, I think they should be armed but should not vote. No, they all have to give up their vote, not just, you know, the lady clapping and me.

Peter: You do not want women to vote?

Ann: The problem with women voting -- and your Communists will back me up on this -- is that, you know, women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it.

And when they take these polls, it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care. And in the last 50 years, in every presidential election but one --'64, the landslide against Goldwater -- in 50 years, the men voted for the Republican presidential candidate.

Ann: Ten years after women got to vote, wham, government exploded.

No, but seriously, all of politics is like a Gracie Allen/George Burns skit, with him coming home and saying, "Sorry, honey, we can't pay for it." And her, you know, running up the credit card. This is how women see government, which is why the problem with government is not paying for the poor, by the way, it's all these middle-class entitlement, because it's soccer moms who want, you know, education and arts and day care.

And it's the Republicans being dad, saying "We can't refurnish the Department of Health and Human Services this year, honey." We really aren't capable of voting.

hehe - She cracks me up. I wonder if she thinks big government can also be blamed on blacks voting? I personally think it has more to do with the Russian microwave experement... :)

Actually - I'd be quite suspicious that this is tongue-in-cheek. I'd be please to find a more reliable source confirming her stance in a more concrete way.

But you are more than willing to support veterans who came back from the war and immediately denounced his comrades-in-arms and what they were doing in Vietnam,

On behalf of the organization he represented, Veterans against the Vietnam War, Kerry related, under oath before Congress, specific instances which the Veterans in the organization related to him. Read the transcript of his speech to Congress in it's entirety. Not chosen soundbites, the whole thing.

...made Propogandist remarks against what they were doing, and threw those medals that he received on the steps of congress (only later to claim them again when it would serve his political career some good)?

He served and came to believe the War was wrong...and most people today would agree that Vietnam was a mistake. Just like the misguided people who took their anger out on the Vietnam vets during and right after the war, YOU need to be able to seperate the War from the Warrior. Saying that the War sucks is not the same as saying soldiers suck. Giving examples of specific cases of atrocities does not mean he accused everyone.

This man doesn't sicken you?

He sickens me a bit, for not fighting back in 2004 and giving up too early. The idealist who fought in the war then against the war became a comfortable Washington Congress Critter. The man who tracked down the Iran Contra Scandal was all to willing to believe Bush about Iraq. He sacrificed his ideals for expediency....expediency that caused him to lose the election.

Look, if you want to criticize the man, it's no skin off my nose. Just don't repeat PROVEN falsehoods to do it. The Navy itself conducted an investigation and concluded that the man's medals are 100% legit and that many of the Swift Boat Vets made written comments PRAISING Kerry AT THE TIME.

Fascism calls for the superiority of the corporation over the state. Try again, this time using a dictionary.

What dictionary are you using?? the one you made up this morning??

Here is one from the real world...

Fascism

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.

It is fitting that the name of an authoritarian political movement like Fascism, founded in 1919 by Benito Mussolini, should come from the name of a symbol of authority....The name of Mussolini's group of revolutionaries was soon used for similar nationalistic movements in other countries that sought to gain power through violence and ruthlessness, such as National Socialism.

ie - socialism = fascism..

I'll bite.

Because she says fascist things. She says crazy things. She's a crazy woman.


In other wrds - you really have no fucking idea about what she says beyond what others have told you or a few limited sound bites.... LOL.

What dictionary are you using?? the one you made up this morning??

Here is one from the real world...

Fascism

A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.

It is fitting that the name of an authoritarian political movement like Fascism, founded in 1919 by Benito Mussolini, should come from the name of a symbol of authority....The name of Mussolini's group of revolutionaries was soon used for similar nationalistic movements in other countries that sought to gain power through violence and ruthlessness, such as National Socialism.

ie - socialism = fascism..

Some fascism might also be socialism, but they ARE NOT the same thing. At the LEAST that's a gross simplification.

In other wrds - you really have no fucking idea about what she says beyond what others have told you or a few limited sound bites.... LOL.
Yeah, you're hilarious.

No, I read through her books (as much as I can stomach), view her website and catch her on TV sometimes.

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Yeah, sorry about that - I just saw your post and thought I should reply, but I was kind of in the middle of something.

Actually - I'd be quite suspicious that this is tongue-in-cheek. I'd be please to find a more reliable source confirming her stance in a more concrete way.
So would I. She has reportedly made the insinuation more than once - I know not how tongue-in-cheek they all were. However, I know of no statements she's made on record to the contrary - and certainly, the general sentiment fits in with other statements she's made about women's intelligence.

Some fascism might also be socialism, but they ARE NOT the same thing. At the LEAST that's a gross simplification.


I know - I said that just to stir up the barrel a bit. I thought it was a pertty funny find given that so many here thing socialims is the polar opposite of fascism..

Yeah, you're hilarious.

No, I read through her books (as much as I can stomach), view her website and catch her on TV sometimes.

I doubt it.

I doubt it.

And I don't. That means...what, exactly?

Yeah, sorry about that - I just saw your post and thought I should reply, but I was kind of in the middle of something.


So would I. She has reportedly made the insinuation more than once - I know not how tongue-in-cheek they all were. However, I know of no statements she's made on record to the contrary - and certainly, the general sentiment fits in with other statements she's made about women's intelligence.


Much of what she says is tongue in cheek. Here are a few;
(after the cartoon issue)

One showed Muhammad turning away suicide bombers from the gates of heaven, saying "Stop, stop — we ran out of virgins!" — which I believe was a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence. Another was a cartoon of Muhammad with horns, which I believe was a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence. The third showed Muhammad with a turban in the shape of a bomb, which I believe was an expression of post-industrial ennui in a secular — oops, no, wait: It was more of a commentary on Muslims' predilection for violence.

In order to express their displeasure with the idea that Muslims are violent, thousands of Muslims around the world engaged in rioting, arson, mob savagery, flag-burning, murder and mayhem, among other peaceful acts of nonviolence.

Muslims are the only people who make feminists seem laid-back.

The little darlings brandish placards with typical Religion of Peace slogans, such as: "Behead Those Who Insult Islam," "Europe, you will pay, extermination is on the way" and "Butcher those who mock Islam." They warn Europe of their own impending 9/11 with signs that say: "Europe: Your 9/11 will come" — which is ironic, because they almost had me convinced the Jews were behind the 9/11 attack.

The rioting Muslims claim they are upset because Islam prohibits any depictions of Muhammad — though the text is ambiguous on beheadings, suicide bombings and flying planes into skyscrapers.

Going through her archives I found nothing related to suffrage or women voting... Sounds to me like she was after shock value.

And I don't. That means...what, exactly?
That mean's I'm calling your bluff - you're full of crap. The only thing you've ever done is notice Ann Coulter on TV as you were flipping past the news on your way to Oprah.

If you had actually done any of those things you mentioned you'r argument would have been considerably more substantial than 'she's crazy'. I think you are a liar - not a moron . Only a moron would make a point like that if they had any real knowledge on the subject.

ie - socialism = fascism..

Fascism is far different from socialism. In a fascist government, the needs of the state are put above those of the individual (basically extreme nationalism in a totalitarian form).

BTW, socialism is not a style of government, rather, a style of economics. The style of government incorporating socialism is communism.

I doubt it.
Why? I work in a bookstore. I have plenty of time to look at the trash on the shelves.

That mean's I'm calling your bluff - you're full of crap. The only thing you've ever done is notice Ann Coulter on TV as you were flipping past the news on your way to Oprah.

If you had actually done any of those things you mentioned you'r argument would have been considerably more substantial than 'she's crazy'. I think you are a liar - not a moron . Only a moron would make a point like that if they had any real knowledge on the subject.

I think you're a bit confused.
Dinaverg here. Desperate Measures there. Dinaverg here. Desperate Measures there.

Other than that...
Adjective

crazy (comparative crazier, superlative craziest)

1. insane, demented
2. out of control
* When Jim gets on the motorcycle he goes crazy.
* The Ultimate Warrior is crazy.
3. overly excited or enthusiastic
4. filled with foolish or unreasoned affection

That mean's I'm calling your bluff - you're full of crap. The only thing you've ever done is notice Ann Coulter on TV as you were flipping past the news on your way to Oprah.

If you had actually done any of those things you mentioned you'r argument would have been considerably more substantial than 'she's crazy'. I think you are a liar - not a moron . Only a moron would make a point like that if they had any real knowledge on the subject.
Maybe you meant to talk to me?? But anyway, I thought long and hard about the subject, argued her points on other threads and have come to the conclusion that Ann Coulter is a NutJob.

Plus: I don't need to bluff you, there is no money in it.

But you are more than willing to support veterans who came back from the war and immediately denounced his comrades-in-arms and what they were doing in Vietnam, made Propogandist remarks against what they were doing, and threw those medals that he received on the steps of congress (only later to claim them again when it would serve his political career some good)?

This man doesn't sicken you?

Once again, John McCain, a man who was there supported Kerry speaking out against the Vietnam war AFTER his service was over. Did he approve of the methods Kerry used? No. Do I? No. But at least he was not a fawning sycophant who proclaimed from on high that the President and his administration could do no wrong.

Plus, I have news for you pally. He did not denounce his comrades in arms. He certainly did go after the men that did wrong. It is now absolutely beyond question that men behaved in a truly barbaric manner (see Mai Lai). Was Kerry popular for saying some of those boys were breaking the rules of land warfare? No. Was he correct? Yes.

I owe no man who served with me the protection of my honor and my reputation if they go out of their way to massacre innocent women and kids. Neither does Kerry owe those men any loyalty. I owe my loyalty to the men who follow the rules and regulations and do their absolute best to keep collateral damage down. Not a bunch of raving barbarian monsters who go into a village and slaughter civilians. Those types of soldiers are a disgrace to the uniform.

People do a lot of things when they are disgusted. John Kerry threw his medals away. Whatever possessed him to do it is beyond me. I wouldn't have done it. I think is is right and proper after a cooling off period he realized his mistake and got them back. Maybe he did it for political reasons, but I don't give a shit about that. He earned them.

John Kerry on his worst day is a better man than George W. Bush. It is disgraceful the son of a WWII hero fighter pilot has turned out to not understand any of the fundamental lessons his father has desperately tried to teach him. This nation is the poorer for him leading it.

Finally, John Kerry is not my favorite person. But he does not sicken me.

Plus: I don't need to bluff you, there is no money in it.


hehe - that made me laugh. Thanks. Got me wondering if there could be another, alternate, less wholesome definition of bluff....

Wouldn't it be sweet if Ann Coulter were busted for vote fraud? Not that it would shut her up any.

Ugh, the only thing that would shut her up is a nice, timely beheading. I'd suggest a wooden stake through her heart, but I don't think she had one while she was alive. Blood-sucking partisan hack.

*prays that Ann gets embarrassed enough to leave the country/planet*
Well, if she has to leave the country, she can't go to Canada because she has already burnt the bridges. :p

http://gprime.net/video.php/foxoncanada