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In the news today (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060602/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_civilians_killed_6;_ylt=AhlSGNOFO9oYG1UAwPLvwm1X6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl) there were reports of ANOTHER incident where American troops killed Iraqi's in cold blood. This is seriously getting out of hand, and all that George Bush says is that he's "troubled". If I was the President and had members of my military killing innocent people I'd be allot more than troubled! It just shows the lack of genuine concern the US administration has for the people of Iraq. Are there any psychologists out there who can explain to me how this man sleeps at night?

In the news today (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060602/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_civilians_killed_6;_ylt=AhlSGNOFO9oYG1UAwPLvwm1X6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl) there were reports an incident where American troops supposedly killed Iraqi's in cold blood. If true this is seriously getting out of hand, and all that George Bush says is that he's "troubled". If I was the President and had members of my military killing innocent people I'd be a lot more than troubled! It just shows the lack of genuine concern the US administration has for the people of Iraq. Are there any psychologists out there who can explain to me how this man sleeps at night?

Fixed.

Does Shrubbery mean he's troubled as in concerned or troubled as in TROUBLED IE crazy... nuts... insane... bonzo... no longer in possessions of one's faculties... three fries short of a Happy Meal... WACKO!!"

One could take the deeply cynical approach that Bush and the Troops are just doing what the majority of the American public expect of them.

I personally am thinking of it as war crimes by the emperor's brainwashed subordinates.

Either way, it's yet another example of simple systemic failure on the part of the US Forces to do the job they were supposed to do.

In every group of people there are individuals who ruin things for the whole. I don't think it's very fair to blame these episodes on the entire US military.
Imagine yourself in a situation where it is difficult to tell the difference between civilians and militants. The civilians don't walk around with signs on saying I'm a civilian, please don't shoot me. Suicide bombs and roadside attacks are daily occurences. Eventually living in this kind of stress can desensitize people and can lead them to commit acts they would not normally commit.
Though I don't agree with the acts committed by these individuals, I think you also need to consider the psychological situations that people undergo when they are in hostile situations.

Those poor people. The American Armed Forces seriously need to start acting as the police not the criminals

And whom might you be to lay judgement? Must be an impressive role to know all and be so condemning.

Do you honestly think that one man.... out of an entire country, leader or not, could control the individual actions made by each person that is a citizen of said country? You are giving him quite a role to fulfill... almost God-like.

I think not. People should look within themselves and live life to make it a better place in any way they can. Find something positive to do about life's issues than blame and gripe. EACH AND EVERY one of us in this world has the possibility of making a difference in one way or another. Whether that affects one person or many, it counts. Think you that your judgemental and assuming comments are going to make that difference a positive one.

Find something better to do.

You know nothing about my life so before you jump on your own high horse think about that one. I try to live my life with integrity every day thats why I posted this thread, it's something people should bear in mind. Of course I don't think Bush should be held responsible for the actions of the entire country, you misunderstood me. I mean that his only response was that he's "troubled", instead of horrified or shocked, as he should be. Anyway I understand that this is an old issue....the whole was-the-war-justified thing included. I just think its extremely sad, and what makes it worse is that at the end of the day there's nothing we can do about it.

You know nothing about my life so before you jump on your own high horse think about that one. I try to live my life with integrity every day thats why I posted this thread, it's something people should bear in mind. Of course I don't think Bush should be held responsible for the actions of the entire country, you misunderstood me. I mean that his only response was that he's "troubled", instead of horrified or shocked, as he should be. Anyway I understand that this is an old issue....the whole was-the-war-justified thing included. I just think its extremely sad, and what makes it worse is that at the end of the day there's nothing we can do about it.

In the news today (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060602/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_civilians_killed_6;_ylt=AhlSGNOFO9oYG1UAwPLvwm1X6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl) there were reports of ANOTHER incident where American troops killed Iraqi's in cold blood.

Can you kill somebody in warm blood?


This is seriously getting out of hand, and all that George Bush says is that he's "troubled". If I was the President and had members of my military killing innocent people I'd be allot more than troubled! It just shows the lack of genuine concern the US administration has for the people of Iraq. Are there any psychologists out there who can explain to me how this man sleeps at night?

Ok after all this time, you expect eloquence from this fellow?

Finally, not a justification but has there ever been an armed conflict where such incidents have not happened?

In every group of people there are individuals who ruin things for the whole. I don't think it's very fair to blame these episodes on the entire US military.
Imagine yourself in a situation where it is difficult to tell the difference between civilians and militants. The civilians don't walk around with signs on saying I'm a civilian, please don't shoot me. Suicide bombs and roadside attacks are daily occurences. Eventually living in this kind of stress can desensitize people and can lead them to commit acts they would not normally commit.
Though I don't agree with the acts committed by these individuals, I think you also need to consider the psychological situations that people undergo when they are in hostile situations.

Right on.

Those poor people. The American Armed Forces seriously need to start acting as the police not the criminals

Dumbest. Idea. Ever.

Of course I don't think Bush should be held responsible for the actions of the entire country, you misunderstood me. I mean that his only response was that he's "troubled", instead of horrified or shocked, as he should be.

Of course, what the US military said (IE, a car not stopping despite orders to do so) can't be true.

In the news today (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060602/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_civilians_killed_6;_ylt=AhlSGNOFO9oYG1UAwPLvwm1X6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl) there were reports of ANOTHER incident where American troops killed Iraqi's in cold blood.

What happened to "Innocent until Proven Guilty"? We don't know what happened, and just because our military has been accused of something doesn't make it true.

Until anything has been proven, I don't think any of us ought to be more than troubled.

If, and only if, the troops are found guilty of killing in cold blood, then we should be horrified and those members of the service should be punished. I'm no supporter of W, but from what I have seen, his administration and the military in general, do not approve of such behavior, have not ordered such behavior and will not tolerate such behavior.

So, let's treat our military the same way we would like our civillians to be treated. Presumed innocent unless proven guilty.

Can you kill somebody in warm blood?
Sure. You drown them in a vat of it.

Sure. You drown them in a vat of it.
do you know what the energy cost of keeping a vat of blood warm is?


Let me tell you..

exxxpeeeensive.

do you know what the energy cost of keeping a vat of blood warm is?


Let me tell you..

exxxpeeeensive.

Not really. Just light a fire under it and make it boil :)

So, let's treat our military the same way we would like our civillians to be treated. Presumed innocent unless proven guilty.

€100 says you belive gitmo should be kept and dont see the hypocricy!!

the US army have been accused by the US puppet PM of being out of control. imagine what someone who isnt up bushe's arse belives? if this guy says they are bad, they are bad!!

GITMO is on my list of personal favorite places.

:: nope not sarcasm ::

So, let's treat our military the same way we would like our civillians to be treated. Presumed innocent unless proven guilty.
I promised my bowl of cornflakes on its deathbed I wouldn't mention Guantanamo. I seem to have defiled that promise. I shall now go and attempt to resurrect it so that I can start from scratch. And have another bowl of cornflakes.

Not really. Just light a fire under it and make it boil :)
yah, if you live in the country.. but in the city, where you can't get wood to burn... gotta use electricity or gas ;P

Not really. Just light a fire under it and make it boil :)
No, think of the carbon dioxide emissions! It's going to doom us into an Ice Age! :eek:

What happened to "Innocent until Proven Guilty"? We don't know what happened, and just because our military has been accused of something doesn't make it true.

Until anything has been proven, I don't think any of us ought to be more than troubled.

If, and only if, the troops are found guilty of killing in cold blood, then we should be horrified and those members of the service should be punished. I'm no supporter of W, but from what I have seen, his administration and the military in general, do not approve of such behavior, have not ordered such behavior and will not tolerate such behavior.

So, let's treat our military the same way we would like our civillians to be treated. Presumed innocent unless proven guilty.

If only that principle were applied more often.

i think we've now heard the "one rotten apple in th ebarrell" story once too often. It appears to m as a laymen that there must be a serious systematic deficiency in the training of US troops at all leevsl - Marines, National Guards etc.

The UK has had soldiers on the streets of Northern ireland for 30 years and although their recor has not been spotless the incidental massacre of innocents was much lower.

Duh you dumbass, its obvious that it WASNT the US marines. IT WAS BUSH HIMSELF! he personnally shot and stabbed all those women and children, then tourched the remains. Just like he manufactured Hurrican Katrina out in his Super Underwater Fortress out in the sea, so he could pourpesly kill thousands of minorities. Just like he personnally flew the 911 planes into the buildings but survivied using his lies. And before he was president, he actually was the inventor of the AIDS virus, and by himself he has been running around the world injecting people with it using a turkey baster by shoving it up there ass. :eek:

your fogetting that he also inveted malaria

In the news today (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060602/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_civilians_killed_6;_ylt=AhlSGNOFO9oYG1UAwPLvwm1X6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl) there were reports of ANOTHER incident where American troops killed Iraqi's in cold blood. This is seriously getting out of hand, and all that George Bush says is that he's "troubled". If I was the President and had members of my military killing innocent people I'd be allot more than troubled! It just shows the lack of genuine concern the US administration has for the people of Iraq. Are there any psychologists out there who can explain to me how this man sleeps at night?

Because that is all the President can really do, as the troops in question are under investigation by military court. Most leaders are just figure heads, I can't belive that no one knows this.

i think we've now heard the "one rotten apple in th ebarrell" story once too often. It appears to m as a laymen that there must be a serious systematic deficiency in the training of US troops at all leevsl - Marines, National Guards etc.

The UK has had soldiers on the streets of Northern ireland for 30 years and although their recor has not been spotless the incidental massacre of innocents was much lower.

I could argue that Americans are human and have emotions. And northern Ireland is not a warzone on par with Iraq.

If only that principle were applied more often.
Like with Iraq prior to the invasion? ;)

Bush isn't really troubled. He's orgasming in his dockers with delight.

No, think of the carbon dioxide emissions! It's going to doom us into an Ice Age! :eek:

RAWR!!! KILL THE PLANETZOR!!! RAWR!!!

Al Gore's new campaign: BAN FIRE!

yah, if you live in the country.. but in the city, where you can't get wood to burn... gotta use electricity or gas ;P

There's plenty to use to burn within a city. Paper can be used to make the initial fire and then anything else that burns could be added to the fire. Plenty of plenty of plenty of things to burn :). :D

Tell me: Was it ever really in hand?

In the news today (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060602/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_civilians_killed_6;_ylt=AhlSGNOFO9oYG1UAwPLvwm1X6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl) there were reports of ANOTHER incident where American troops killed Iraqi's in cold blood. This is seriously getting out of hand, and all that George Bush says is that he's "troubled". If I was the President and had members of my military killing innocent people I'd be allot more than troubled! It just shows the lack of genuine concern the US administration has for the people of Iraq. Are there any psychologists out there who can explain to me how this man sleeps at night?

[murtha] They were killed in cold blood![murtha]

It was justified, AKA "GOOD SHOOT".


Those poor people. The American Armed Forces seriously need to start acting as the police not the criminals


:D

Yeah, because shooting cars speeding past checkpoints is criminal! ETA: THE military ARE NOT POLICE! They are trained to kill, not to direct civilian affairs. That's why they are training Iraqi MP's to fill the gaps so we can scale back and let the iraqis run their own country.


Troops cleared in Iraqi deaths in Ishaqi By Will Dunham
1 hour, 24 minutes ago



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. military probe has found U.S. forces did nothing wrong in a March raid in the town of Ishaqi in which civilians were killed, saying they "properly followed the rules of engagement," the military said on Friday.

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"Allegations that the troops executed a family living in this safe house, and then hid the alleged crimes by directing an air strike, are absolutely false," Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, a senior U.S. military spokesman in Iraq, said in a statement released in Baghdad.

The military until now had said one guerrilla, two women and a child were killed in the March 15 raid in the town 60 miles north of Baghdad.

But Caldwell's statement said the investigation "concluded that possibly up to nine collateral deaths resulted from this engagement but could not determine the precise number due to collapsed walls and heavy debris."

The incident was one of a handful involving civilian deaths being investigated by the U.S. military, including the deaths of two dozen civilians in the town of Haditha on November 19.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki has said he is losing patience with reports of U.S. troops killing civilians. Many Iraqis believe unjustified killings by U.S. troops are common, but few have been confirmed by official investigations.

"The investigating officer ascertained that the ground force commander properly followed the rules of engagement as he necessarily escalated the use of force until the threat was eliminated. All loss of innocent life is tragic and unfortunate, and we regret such occurrences," Caldwell said.

Police in Ishaqi, 60 miles north of Baghdad, have said six adults and five children were shot dead in a U.S. military raid on a home. The U.S. military has maintained the deaths came after troops were fired upon from the house as they arrived to arrest an al Qaeda suspect.

USE OF FORCE ESCALATED 'INCREMENTALLY'

Caldwell's statement said U.S. forces conducted a raid in the vicinity of Ishaqi on March 15, capturing Ahmad Abdallah Muhammad Na'is al-Utaybi, a Kuwaiti-born, al-Qaeda cell leader, and killing Uday Faris al-Tawafi, an Iraqi involved in making roadside bombs and recruiting insurgents.

U.S. officials described a nighttime raid aimed at finding a specific guerrilla, who then fled the building but was later caught.

U.S. forces at the site began taking direct fire from the building, and the commander at the scene "appropriately reacted by incrementally escalating the use of force from small arms fire to rotary wing aviation, and then to close air support, ultimately eliminating the threat."

A defense official said an AC-130 gunship was called in to help.

"We take all reports of improper conduct seriously; we investigate them thoroughly, and hold our troops accountable for their actions," Caldwell said.

Police in Ishaqi have five children, four women and two men were shot dead by troops in a house that was then blown up.

They said all the victims were shot in the head, and that the bodies, with hands bound, were dumped in one room before the house was destroyed. Television footage showed the bodies in a morgue. Their wounds were not clear, although one infant had a gaping head wound.

In the Haditha case, the military is investigating whether U.S. Marines went on a rampage after a comrade was killed by an insurgent roadside bomb and shot dead two dozen civilians, including women and children. U.S. defense officials have said Marines could face charges including murder.

The U.S. military on Thursday directed troops in Iraq to undergo new training on the need to follow legal, moral and ethical standards on the battlefield.



€100 says you belive gitmo should be kept and dont see the hypocricy!!

the US army have been accused by the US puppet PM of being out of control. imagine what someone who isnt up bushe's arse belives? if this guy says they are bad, they are bad!!

WTF? GITMO is for the most deprave bastard sons of whores alive. Put their feet in concrete and throw them into the sea.

Hey, then my favorite VA democrat will chime in..[murtha] they were killed in cold blood[murtha]


GITMO is on my list of personal favorite places.

:: nope not sarcasm ::

Hey, me too. I'd like to see those THGH's rot in prison doing stupid and pointless hunger strikes. Bah, starve away. Save some prison mush for the next guy, save me some tax dollars. That's what you get for being part of an organization responsible for the deaths of many of my countrymen.

I know I'm sooooo gonna burn for this. It was worth it.

Tell me: Was it ever really in hand?
ya really

does that mean it was FINE when we killed somewhere between 30,000 and 100,000 iraqis in the war itself?

NOW when we kill a few here and there its out of hand?


not that its a good thing mind you, or something to be excused or overlooked but when you start a war on a lie, its already out of hand.

well while all you nice liberal peace loving people complain about the American devils and the Bush monster ....

I see no support WHAT SO EVER for the 12 million Iraqi's that VOTED for freedom...



When do you think you can get around to it ?

In the news today (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060602/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_civilians_killed_6;_ylt=AhlSGNOFO9oYG1UAwPLvwm1X6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl) there were reports of ANOTHER incident where American troops killed Iraqi's in cold blood. This is seriously getting out of hand, and all that George Bush says is that he's "troubled". If I was the President and had members of my military killing innocent people I'd be allot more than troubled! It just shows the lack of genuine concern the US administration has for the people of Iraq. Are there any psychologists out there who can explain to me how this man sleeps at night?

The useful idiots are foaming at the mouth.

Not even enough decency to wait for a trial/court marshal.

ya really

does that mean it was FINE when we killed somewhere between 30,000 and 100,000 iraqis in the war itself?

NOW when we kill a few here and there its out of hand?


not that its a good thing mind you, or something to be excused or overlooked but when you start a war on a lie, its already out of hand.

Yep, because we went out and ordered our Halliburton/ KBR/ VRWC (Vast Right Wing Conspiracy) Underlings to car bomb and kill innocent people in markets and in mosques and to tell them to try and run checkpoints :headbang:


well while all you nice liberal peace loving people complain about the American devils and the Bush monster ....

I see no support WHAT SO EVER for the 12 million Iraqi's that VOTED for freedom...



When do you think you can get around to it ?


OH NOES!!!!!11!!!!111!!


:D I love Iraqis. :fluffle:

In the news today (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060602/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_civilians_killed_6;_ylt=AhlSGNOFO9oYG1UAwPLvwm1X6GMA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl) there were reports of ANOTHER incident where American troops killed Iraqi's in cold blood. This is seriously getting out of hand, and all that George Bush says is that he's "troubled". If I was the President and had members of my military killing innocent people I'd be allot more than troubled! It just shows the lack of genuine concern the US administration has for the people of Iraq. Are there any psychologists out there who can explain to me how this man sleeps at night?
Doesn't take a psychologist. Bush is a pretty common specimen, really. Take a little boy, rear him without any dicipline or sense of responsibility, and teach him that no matter what he does there will always be enough money to bail him out (pun very much intended). Then set him up as the perfect front man for a bunch of corrupt and powerhungry fellows who don't let little things like morality or human life get in the way of their plans. Toss in some superstition, some coke, and a whole lot of cool cartoons, and you've got yourself a Chimperor.

Doesn't take a psychologist. Bush is a pretty common specimen, really. Take a little boy, rear him without any dicipline or sense of responsibility, and teach him that no matter what he does there will always be enough money to bail him out (pun very much intended). Then set him up as the perfect front man for a bunch of corrupt and powerhungry fellows who don't let little things like morality or human life get in the way of their plans. Toss in some superstition, some coke, and a whole lot of cool cartoons, and you've got yourself a Chimperor.

Bush? No responsibility or values? WTF mate?

He's a good businessman and....

It's good the soldiers in Ishaqi seem to be cleared. It was yet another tragedy, but I hope they didn't do anything wrong.


WTF? GITMO is for the most deprave bastard sons of whores alive.
Yeah... And if you believe that applies to all the people currently residing there I have a bridge I'd like to sell you :p

That's what you get for being part of an organization responsible for the deaths of many of my countrymen.
Or not being part of any such organization. But who cares, it's just a bunch of... What's your phrase again, "ragheads" isn't it? :rolleyes:

From my conversations with friends and acquaintances back from Iraq, marines and regular army, it would seem that the publicized killings of civilians are only the "tip of the iceberg."

It's good the soldiers in Ishaqi seem to be cleared. It was yet another tragedy, but I hope they didn't do anything wrong.


Yeah... And if you believe that applies to all the people currently residing there I have a bridge I'd like to sell you :p

Or not being part of any such organization. But who cares, it's just a bunch of... What's your phrase again, "ragheads" isn't it? :rolleyes:

I will agree that Ishaqi was sad. The kids didn't have much of a choice in the matter. However, the Alqaeda guy doomed them from the getgo. :(




Ragheads
Hadjis
Towel Headed goat humpers (Specific to Terrorists and insurgents)
camel jockeys
Disposable bombers
guys in dirty nightshirts
insurgents
bullet-eaters
Reactive targets

Etc....

He's a good businessman and....

If your idea of a good businessman involves burning companies to the ground....

From my conversations with friends and acquaintances back from Iraq, marines and regular army, it would seem that the publicized killings of civilians are only the "tip of the iceberg."

Yeah, a lot of good is going on that noone every hears of. I agree.

If your idea of a good businessman involves burning companies to the ground....

Texas rangers.

Yeah..razed to the ground...

What I just love is how one dude goes apeshit and suddenly the entire country is to blame for it.

Let's try to focus on the individual, not his nation. I admit the US hasn't made very wise moves in the last half a decade, but don't affiliate me with some psychopath murdering yutz. Every country has at least one, even Cape Verde.

1)isnt there a forum about this already
2)quit complaining the military courts will take care of those resposible you big babies.

Sorry about the big babies bit I couldnt think of anything nicer to say lol

Texas rangers.

What's this about chuck Norris now?

What's this about chuck Norris now?

He's God.

He's God.

No he's not. Don't you know that God is female?
(sorry, couldn't resist) :D

Yeah, a lot of good is going on that noone every hears of. I agree.

Now this is very true.

No he's not. Don't you know that God is female?
(sorry, couldn't resist) :D

It's a distinct possibility.

:: could go further and insert bad sexist joke but won't ::

But I'll take the agnostic approach and say, "mmm lettuce"

It's a distinct possibility.

:: could go further and insert bad sexist joke but won't ::

But I'll take the agnostic approach and say, "mmm lettuce"

I had lettuce for lunch today.

In between 2 peices of 1/4 pound patties of beef, pickles, tomatoes, onions, mustard, catsup...

I had lettuce for lunch today.

In between 2 peices of 1/4 pound patties of beef, pickles, tomatoes, onions, mustard, catsup...

You mean Ketchup? Sounds good.

Now this is very true.

Like that famous pick the honorless french magazine is using for it's anti-american propaganda-it was taken by Michael yon (Of the medic holding the girl). The mag implies she was wounded by Americans. HOWEVER, she was killed by an insurgent car bomb as she ran to see the American patrols. Yeah...kids hate us :rolleyes:

You mean Ketchup? Sounds good.

Yeah. I called my dad and asked him if he could grab me something cheap because I'd been working since 5am. He brought me a double quarter pounder, onion rings, and a diet coke. Man I love my dad....:D

Yeah. I called my dad and asked him if he could grab me something cheap because I'd been working since 5am. He brought me a double quarter pounder, onion rings, and a diet coke. Man I love my dad....:D

Me loves Double Whoppers from Burger King but a Diet soda so defeats the purpose (LOL).

It's good the soldiers in Ishaqi seem to be cleared.

By a US, and thus biased, "investigation." Quelle surprise...

One could take the deeply cynical approach that Bush and the Troops are just doing what the majority of the American public expect of them.

The majority of the American public DOES NOT support the war. Nor do they support Bush (His approval rates are in the thirties, for G-d's sake!). The American public does not want (though we have come to expect (not in a good way)) the atrocities committed daily in Iraq. The primary reason for 307,000,000 people to be despised and distrusted worldwide is, because people actually beleive that we like, agree with, and support George W. Bush. They think that he represents us. He does not. Honestly, I am vastly insulted every time I hear myself, a man who beleives in freedom and democracy (as do all real Americans), put in the same boat as such an awful man. You can not judge an entire people by one tyrant who happens to rule them.

By a US, and thus biased, "investigation." Quelle surprise...


Not by a U.S. investigation- a military investigation. The military is run by the Executive Branch of the government, which is incidentally under the control of Bush. Therefore, it wasn't run by the U.S, it was run by Bush who, sadly, runs the U.S. (or at least he thinks he does (He has never understood the limited extent of Executive power.)).

Me loves Double Whoppers from Burger King but a Diet soda so defeats the purpose (LOL).

1$ junior whoppers!


How dare you insult me with this insignificant beverage! I AM A MAN! [DM beats his chest]

:D


BTW, FASS, if the investigation WAS biased, woudn't they be let go?

Seems to me.......























NOT!

You're chowing down the diet dude. MMmmm Fanta!

By a US, and thus biased, "investigation." Quelle surprise...
Not to mention the people in our millitary always get off easy

1)isnt there a forum about this already

Yes. This forum is very much about Americans getting out of hand. We Americans get out of hand with our political debates, and other folks complain about us getting out of hand. Welcome to General. :)

;)

What happened to "Innocent until Proven Guilty"?
That policy died just off of Cuba, on US-owned soil.

Not to mention the people in our millitary always get off easy
:eek: What? You really feel that for example a sentence of 60 days confinement to the barracks is easy for negligent homicide (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/06/60minutes/main1476781.shtml)? Say it ain't so, Joe, say it ain't so!

That policy died just off of Cuba, on US-owned soil.
Oh, that's a good one. :)

Yes. This forum is very much about Americans getting out of hand. We Americans get out of hand with our political debates, and other folks complain about us getting out of hand. Welcome to General. :)

;)

This forum is more of a "Let's bash America for something that other countries have done and worse. Let's bash America and the President for something individuals did. Let's bash America to bash America." America just takes it too, for the most part, which is BS. I wish more Americans here would stand up and at least take notice to it but too many of them are acting on their whole "Silent Majority" principle.

Ok,
I am an American Citizen, The Military would not kill Citizens of Iraq for fun or for anyother reason. In america or news media is radical. They will do and say ANYTHING to get them back in office. They have ALWAYS critized the U.S military. I hope you know that the U.S military is made of everyday people. Our soldeirs are being forced to go to Iraq. Do you really think that Americans like to kill others. That is not true. Americans are like everyone else. We arent better nor worse. My family is in the Army and they would not kill ANYONE in "Cold Blood". The U.S Media has know care for Americans nor human life. They are stingy hags who want back the Goverment.

Also Bush does NOT represent the U.S. He cheated and is a dummy. The U.S Population hates him for making everyone hate us. The U.S has done horrible things but we learned from our mistakes. In 2008 the U.S will not be so rude and corrupt. Till then take cover in bomb shelters or something!:eek:

The majority of the American public DOES NOT support the war. Nor do they support Bush (His approval rates are in the thirties, for G-d's sake!). The American public does not want (though we have come to expect (not in a good way)) the atrocities committed daily in Iraq. The primary reason for 307,000,000 people to be despised and distrusted worldwide is, because people actually beleive that we like, agree with, and support George W. Bush. They think that he represents us. He does not. Honestly, I am vastly insulted every time I hear myself, a man who beleives in freedom and democracy (as do all real Americans), put in the same boat as such an awful man. You can not judge an entire people by one tyrant who happens to rule them.

To state that his approval rating is so low is the war in Iraq is a little naive. If George Bush has done everything, he possibly can to alienate his base, and all the insanely liberal ideas his administration pumps out does nothing to increase his approval with democrats. Then you have his result. Here is the list: Trying to reinstate the "Assault" weapons ban, the guest worker program, Medicare Drug Plan, the expansion of Social Security (so-called privatization), starting a war when a simple assassination would have sufficed. The consequences of this are no one is supporting this man. A simple fix to his credibility and approval is to stop this crap.