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I just want to make sure whether or not it is. I have great respect for my country (if maybe not the countries leaders), and great respect for my country of ancestry. I am also proud of my country (if not it's leaders) and my country of ancestry. However, I do not feel that my country and my country of ancestry are superior to others in anyway, and should not be granted special priveliges (sp?). I also feel that one unified government is much better than many seperated governments. I would die for my country of ancestry, but not for my current country. So am I still nationalist? I really can't tell.

certainly there's nothing wrong with feeling patriotic

Nationalism is the world's most prevalant ideology, it can basically be defined as the belief that 'it is right and just that the world be seperated into sovereign political entities that are responsible to a particular nation'. A nation being defined as a coherent social group of people with a shared culture and language.

If you believe in that then you are a Nationalist, congratualtions, you make up roughly 99% of the world. However, in the West the word 'Nationalist' has come to refer to a belief that ones' nation is superior to many/all other nations and that the nation's interest should be foremost against all other concerns. If you do not believe this, then you are not an Ultra-Nationalist, congratulations, you are not an idiot.

Nationalism is the world's most prevalant ideology, it can basically be defined as the belief that 'it is right and just that the world be seperated into sovereign political entities that are responsible to a particular nation'. A nation being defined as a coherent social group of people with a shared culture and language.

If you believe in that then you are a Nationalist, congratualtions, you make up roughly 99% of the world. However, in the West the word 'Nationalist' has come to refer to a belief that ones' nation is superior to many/all other nations and that the nation's interest should be foremost against all other concerns. If you do not believe this, then you are not an Ultra-Nationalist, congratulations, you are not an idiot.
Well, I don't believe I'm a nationalist, I moreover hope I'm not nationalist, as it goes against my beliefs of which I gathered from Marx. So I'm asking you if you think I'm nationalist.

I just want to make sure whether or not it is.

No, that's just you saying: I have great respect for my country (if maybe not the countries leaders), and great respect for my country of ancestry. I am also proud of my country (if not it's leaders) and my country of ancestry. However, I do not feel that my country and my country of ancestry are superior to others in anyway, and should not be granted special priveliges (sp?). I also feel that one unified government is much better than many seperated governments. I would die for my country of ancestry, but not for my current country. So am I still nationalist? I really can't tell.

No, that's just you saying:
What the fuck? I was stating my beliefs to ask you if they related to nationalism. Not "just saying that". Why do all the idiots have to be on in the morning?

A nationalist puts the nation ahead of all other political concerns. So I'm not sure its 99% of people. Anyway to the OP you sound like a liberal nationalist. You think your culture ideas are superior and your not stressing about racial superiority.

A nationalist puts the nation ahead of all other political concerns. So I'm not sure its 99% of people. Anyway to the OP you sound like a liberal nationalist. You think your culture ideas are superior and your not stressing about racial superiority.
What? I already said that I do not feel that my culture and race are superior. I'm just saying I'm proud and respectful of them, and would gladly die for my country of ancestry. Once again... Why do they all have to be on in the morning?

What? I already said that I do not feel that my culture and race are superior. I'm just saying I'm proud and respectful of them, and would gladly die for my country of ancestry. Once again... Why do they all have to be on in the morning?

Yeah I'm just saying there are different types of nationalism. You're not a racial/expansionist nationalist. Simply a liberal nationalist.

What? I already said that I do not feel that my culture and race are superior. I'm just saying I'm proud and respectful of them, and would gladly die for my country of ancestry. Once again... Why do they all have to be on in the morning?

Okay, calm down. You asked if we think that you are a nationalist. We, of course, do not know you very well, so, in order to help you with your query, we are providing you with our fairly straight-forward opinions of what does and does not make a nationalist. And so you, being the person on this thread who knows you best, can then view whether you think you comply with those definitions.

It's not getting you anywhere calling the people here who are trying to help you idiots. They could be discussing Nazi Germany or Pot legalisation instead of replying to your, frankly quite egotistical, thread.

Once again... Why do they all have to be on in the morning?

I really don't know, but I'm going to bed.

Nighty nights.

We, of course, do not know you very well,
I know that. However, I also know that there are a lot of people on here who DO know me very well, and I am waitinf for them to respond, rather than people who only have less than 300 posts.

you're probably a nationalist in the only good sense of the word :)

*feels the same way*

I know that. However, I also know that there are a lot of people on here who DO know me very well, and I am waitinf for them to respond, rather than people who only have less than 300 posts.

Sure enough, these folk and myself included don't know you. But thus far you seem like a complete arse whether you're nationalist or not.

If you wanted the opinions of your friends, why didn't you send them an e-mail? Actually, count that as a rhetorical question - the answer wont change the fact that you're carrying yourself off as an ARSE!


Kin Wicked

Sure enough, these folk and myself included don't know you. But thus far you seem like a complete arse whether you're nationalist or not.

If you wanted the opinions of your friends, why didn't you send them an e-mail? Actually, count that as a rhetorical question - the answer wont change the fact that you're carrying yourself off as an ARSE!


Kin Wicked
What friends? The only friends I have are Liz, and she doesn't care about politics, and I don't know any of the e-mails of the people on here.

What friends?

...quite so!

I feel pity..... no, hold on a mo.... no - my mistake That was just gas. Carry on!



Kin Wicked

Well, "nationalism" is a word that is used for many different things. IMHO, there are basically two form of nationalisms.

The first form is linked to the desire of freedom and respect. It is "we want to be able to decide by our own, and we don't want to obey the will of a foreign power". It is also linked to respect with your local culture and traditions, and the feeling of being "a people". This form is what I could call "left nationalism", and many people are more or less part of it. It's the "nationalism" that is widespread in South America for example (and often in areas that were, for long, hold as colonies). It's a sane nationalism, which is not totally incompatible with internationalism (supporters of left nationalism, like Chavez, are among the first to call for continental integration, a stronger and more democratic UN, or for global policies on pollution).

The second form of nationalism, right nationalism, is the feeling that your country/people are "better", deserve more, deserve to rule, ... this is a very sick feeling, IMHO, which is behind many wars and tragedies.

There is nothing wrong with the first one, as long as you are ready to acknoweldge the mistakes of your "people", but you should be careful, because the limit between both forms can be thin, and easy to exploit by leaders, to bring people from the first one to the second one.

I personnaly am a bit of left nationalism. I do feel some proudness of French Revolution, of Paris' Commune or of the Resistance. But it's more the identification to an ideal - I feel the same about Allende, and I consider myself a heir of Allende nearly as much as a heir of the Commune. But it's true that the Revolution, the Commune, the Resistance play more important in french culture, and therefore, in myself (because everyone is deeply affected by the culture he is grown in).

For Naliitr, I think you are far more in the first, left nationalism. But what do you mean exactly by being ready to die for it ? And are you ready to kill for it ? (I am ready to die for my ideals, but I don't think I am ready to kill for it).

For Naliitr, I think you are far more in the first, left nationalism. But what do you mean exactly by being ready to die for it ? And are you ready to kill for it ? (I am ready to die for my ideals, but I don't think I am ready to kill for it).
As in if Finland was being invaded by a foreign power, I would take up arms in defense of Finland, even if I knew I would die in the defense of it.

As in if Finland was being invaded by a foreign power, I would take up arms in defense of Finland, even if I knew I would die in the defense of it.
Good for you. :)

That's nationalism on a Marxist scale... although self contradictory I know.

That's not nationalist or patriotic perse, just a pride in your country, which is absolutely fine.

Good for you. :)

That's nationalism on a Marxist scale... although self contradictory I know.

Well, that's not Marxist. Marx denounced imperalist wars, and called workers to desert from them.

As in if Finland was being invaded by a foreign power, I would take up arms in defense of Finland, even if I knew I would die in the defense of it.

And what if Finland started the war ? Or if, like 1914, it was just a conquest war between two powers ?

Personnaly, I would have fought against the nazi during WW2, but I would have deserted from french army during WW1. WW1 was an imperialist war between two capitalist powers, while WW2 was a liberation war against fascism.

And what if Finland started the war ? Or if, like 1914, it was just a conquest war between two powers ?

Personnaly, I would have fought against the nazi during WW2, but I would have deserted from french army during WW1. WW1 was an imperialist war between two capitalist powers, while WW2 was a liberation war against fascism.
If Finland started the war, I wouldn't be happy with them, unless it was for a good reason, like the imperial warmongers of Russian/Sweden/Norway were massing tanks on their border, and Finland wanted a premptive attack.

Originally Posted by Naliitr
As in if Finland was being invaded by a foreign power, I would take up arms in defense of Finland, even if I knew I would die in the defense of it.
Originally Posted by Naliitr
If Finland started the war, I wouldn't be happy with them, unless it was for a good reason, like the imperial warmongers of Russian/Sweden/Norway were massing tanks on their border, and Finland wanted a premptive attack.
The fact that you want your country to be independent of foreign powers makes you a nationalist. If you were not a nationalist, you would not care if Sweden annexed Finland so long as it did not affect you adversely. For instance, in Scotland, many people want their country to be independent and are therefore called nationalists. However, many people feel they are better off if Scotland remains dominated by England and are therefore not nationalists. They are also wrong ;) .

PS Sorry I've only posted 100 or so times but that does not preclude me from having a valid opinion.