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They didn't do the Holocaust thing? If their sole goal was to simply conquer Europe as revenge for the humiliation after WWI?

They didn't do the Holocaust thing? If their sole goal was to simply conquer Europe as revenge for the humiliation after WWI?


Then they'd still be nasty maternal fiddlestickers who were breaking the peace.
And they'd still need some serious sorting out.

I would still oppose them. Even though they got shafted by the Treaty of Versailles.

They didn't do the Holocaust thing? If their sole goal was to simply conquer Europe as revenge for the humiliation after WWI?Extreme, violent fascism? Hmm.. Lemme think.. Tough question..

I'd fight them with my last breath, obviously. Even if all they wanted was to make my friends children full of hate & devoid of critical thought, I'd fight them. Industrialised mass-murder is far from the only thinbg that's wrong with nazism.

They didn't do the Holocaust thing? If their sole goal was to simply conquer Europe as revenge for the humiliation after WWI?

Probably the same way people think of the conquest of the new world, the conquering of the indians by the Americans, and leaders like Napoleon. Not nice guys, but not hated to the extent that Hitler and Nazis are.

Here's more food for thought, though: apparantly, Hitler only wanted to weaken Western Europe so he could comfortably conquer Eastern Europe. This essentially means that if they won, they'd just be... the replacement for the Soviet Union. Would it really be worth fighting the Nazis to allow to Soviets come to power, rather than just letting the Nazis become the new Soviets?

As a European I would not wish to be conquered by any group as repulsive as the National Socialist German Wokers' Party. As Similization said, mass murder is not the only foul thing they did, they attempted to permenate extenguish the flame of liberty from the world, and I would never let anyone do that.

Firstly, Nazi Germany would not have been possible without the racist elements of Nazism. And secondly it would have been a militaristic, antidemocratic, aggressive dictatorship.
So maybe you can take them one step down on the "evil" rankings, to the level of Stalin's Soviet Union, Saddam's Iraq or North Korea.

Okay, Nazi Germany was a bad peoples, but why whine about them now? What about Attila and the Huns? They killed millions of people as well, and nobody says anything about them anymore. Why is it that in this day and age the only hate crime anyone can remember is one that involves Hitler, Nazi Germans, and the Jewish Peoples? When someone says Germans to a stupid American, I gauruntee you the EVERY TIME they will mention Hitler. If you say the word Attila, they will say "Godzilla?" Nazis: they were bad then, they are bad now, and what they did was very WRONG. If they just wanted to conquer Europe it would be WRONG. BUT GET OVER IT. Nazis were in other countries, and that would make them also want to conquer Europe, would you hate them? No, just the country you have heard of with Nazis: Germany.

They didn't do the Holocaust thing? If their sole goal was to simply conquer Europe as revenge for the humiliation after WWI?

I wouldnt think of them at all, because it wouldnt have gotten anywhere without the hatred to fuel them.

They didn't do the Holocaust thing? If their sole goal was to simply conquer Europe as revenge for the humiliation after WWI?

If they hadn't gone all genocidal. "It's Europe's problem, let them deal with it." I'm a wee bit of an isolationist.

They didn't do the Holocaust thing? If their sole goal was to simply conquer Europe as revenge for the humiliation after WWI?

They'd still be an anti-democratic, totalitarian regime bent on conquering Europe. Thus, I'd be fighting them and hate them.

Why can't people settle their disputes with pie fights? :(

Why can't people settle their disputes with pie fights? :(
:eek: Because that would waste pie!

:eek: Because that would waste pie!

Hey, I like a good eating pie as much as the next guy, but food should be played with as much as possible. *nod*

Okay, Nazi Germany was a bad peoples, but why whine about them now? What about Attila and the Huns? They killed millions of people as well, and nobody says anything about them anymore. Why is it that in this day and age the only hate crime anyone can remember is one that involves Hitler, Nazi Germans, and the Jewish Peoples? When someone says Germans to a stupid American, I gauruntee you the EVERY TIME they will mention Hitler. If you say the word Attila, they will say "Godzilla?" Nazis: they were bad then, they are bad now, and what they did was very WRONG. If they just wanted to conquer Europe it would be WRONG. BUT GET OVER IT. Nazis were in other countries, and that would make them also want to conquer Europe, would you hate them? No, just the country you have heard of with Nazis: Germany.

I believe it is something to do with the fact that A) The Holocaust and the attempts to control the world occured only 60-odd years ago, and are still 'fresh' in the memories of many, B) Nazi Germany was arguably one of the major causes of the Second World War, the largest and most devestating conflict in human history. It may also have something to do with the fact that the Holocaust was something almost unique. There had been genocide attempts before, and some that succeeded. The Gulags are an example of more people dying in the same period. However, although the Gulag system killed millions, it did not do so in the same fashion as the Holocaust. The Holocaust was unique in its mass-industrial, almost production-line way of killing via the Concentration Camps.

As to your last sentence, I hate Nazi's wherever they exist, not just in Germany.

Hey, I like a good eating pie as much as the next guy, but food should be played with as much as possible. *nod*

Not when theres starving children in Ethiopia :cool:

Yeah, the whole 'lets conquer Europe' thing, doesn't really do it for me either.

Not when theres starving children in Ethiopia :cool:

The problem with that isn't the lack of food. The problem is that they're in Ethiopia. :p

They need to move closer to the food. *nod*

If they hadn't gone all genocidal. "It's Europe's problem, let them deal with it." I'm a wee bit of an isolationist.

Nazi Germany would have consolidated their power and would eventually come after the United States, and they would have had a fairly good chance. So, ultimately it is good for America if they nipped the problem in the bud.

Yeah, the whole 'lets conquer Europe' thing, doesn't really do it for me either.

I don't know... maybe I'm just an old Romantic but something about conquest does seem pretty damn awesome. I, for instance, can not think of any achievement more monumentous than conquering the entire known world. Sure, the back of my mind says 'what about curing AIDS?', and I say, 'yeah... but... Alexander the Great wouldn't waste his time on that.'

Conjecture, if we'd stayed nuetral (no Lend-Lease act) I doubt they would of bothered with us. Given 1940s tech we were still far enough away that we weren't worth bothering with.

I don't know... maybe I'm just an old Romantic but something about conquest does seem pretty damn awesome. I, for instance, can not think of any achievement more monumentous than conquering the entire known world. Sure, the back of my mind says 'what about curing AIDS?', and I say, 'yeah... but... Alexander the Great wouldn't waste his time on that.'

Actually seeing as Alex was gay (or atleast Bi) that may of been a cause he'd get behind.

They didn't do the Holocaust thing? If their sole goal was to simply conquer Europe as revenge for the humiliation after WWI?
Then I'd think they were a bunch of tantrum-throwing babies, as opposed to a bunch of genocidal and psychotic tantrum-throwing babies.

Actually seeing as Alex was gay (or atleast Bi) that may of been a cause he'd get behind.
Alexander the Great II: Modern Day Conquerer of Aids?

They'd still be an anti-democratic, totalitarian regime bent on conquering Europe. Thus, I'd be fighting them and hate them.
How would you feel about a unified Europe under a benevolent dictatorship?

How would you feel about a unified Europe under a benevolent dictatorship?

Same thing. Just because it's 'Benevolent' doesn't make it any better as a Dictatorship. It would still be authoritarian and non-democratic, and thus extremely bad in my eyes.

They'd still be an anti-democratic, totalitarian regime bent on conquering Europe. Thus, I'd be fighting them and hate them.

wats wrong with being anti-democratic? Has their been any proof that the only good system of government is democracy? How can the majority of people, and note that the intelligent are the minority, know whats best for them?

Geniocracy ftw

Same thing. Just because it's 'Benevolent' doesn't make it any better as a Dictatorship. It would still be authoritarian and non-democratic, and thus extremely bad in my eyes.And who said Uni doesn't teach people anything ;)

wats wrong with being anti-democratic? Has their been any proof that the only good system of government is democracy? How can the majority of people, and note that the intelligent are the minority, know whats best for them?

Geniocracy ftw

Democracy is the fairest system as far as I'm concerned. I would rather have the 'stupid majority' vote in whichever party they want than have the 'Intelligent' do so. Just because you're intelligent doesn't mean you'll run a country any better.

wats wrong with being anti-democratic? Has their been any proof that the only good system of government is democracy? How can the majority of people, and note that the intelligent are the minority, know whats best for them?

Geniocracy ftwWhat's better? A minute minority forcing everyone to live by its rules, or a dynamic majority forcing everyone to live by its rules?

And who said Uni doesn't teach people anything ;)

I also learnt how to use a Washing Machine! It spins!

Nazi Germany was arguably one of the major causes of the Second World War...

Yes, some MIGHT argue that they had a slight role in bringing about the Second World War. While others MIGHT consider that the whole affair would have been a bit flat without them - a distinct lack of enemy to fight... yu'know

Would you like to reword that a bit, Skinny?




Kin Wicked

What's better? A minute minority forcing everyone to live by its rules, or a dynamic majority forcing everyone to live by its rules?

Theoretically yes. Democracy is probably the most ineffective form of rule.

Benevolent Dictator/King is theoretically the best.

For practicality's sake, democracy has worked the best so far.

Yes, some MIGHT argue that they had a slight role in bringing about the Second World War. While others MIGHT consider that the whole affair would have been a bit flat without them - a distinct lack of enemy to fight... yu'know

Would you like to reword that a bit, Skinny?




Kin Wicked

I beg your pardon? I stated that Nazi Germany was arguably one of the major causes of the conflict because it was, of course, a major one. However, there are those historians who believe that the conflict began in 1933 with the attack upon Nationalist China by Japan, and those who believe that the conflict began in 1914 and was in fact one major conflict with several decades of uneasy peace between them (A group headed by John Keegan and that I have come to support).

So no, I will not reword my assertation. Whilst Nazi Germany did much to begin the conflict in Europe, other views would say the conflict was already raging in other areas.

Theoretically yes. Democracy is probably the most ineffective form of rule.

Benevolent Dictator/King is theoretically the best.

For practicality's sake, democracy has worked the best so far.

"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."

- Sir Winston Churchill.

What's better? A minute minority forcing everyone to live by its rules, or a dynamic majority forcing everyone to live by its rules?

In idealogical terms - It would be far better to live under a single banner ruled by a single entity (person or council) under a single set of rules. A nice, level playing field.

The major drawback is the lack of a reliable system to set that single standard. Monarchy runs through bloodlines. Electing a religious leader requires honesty from those who claim to be in touch with God. Dictators are seize power through force.......

Sadly, it seems like Democracy is the best we have in practical terms at this time. That really sucks, but there it is!



Kin Wicked