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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5039420.stm
All I have to say is shit...:(

I wonder if the coverups in the 2 cases are related.

I wonder if the coverups in the 2 cases are related.
I hope not... seeing as that this might be the tip of the Iceburg. if thats the case.

I hope not... seeing as that this might be the tip of the Iceburg. if thats the case.

I do wish they would state the units involved. From the tone of the article, it seems that these were Army troops. That probably means isolated cases...unless it goes very far up the chain of command. Think Joint Chiefs. Scary thought.

American soldiers have made me sick to my stomach lately.

I am not at all surprised. These sorts of things have been happening since the start of the invasion; it is nothing new, and quite standard for imperialist wars of aggression. Sometimes, they have even gone as far as to be reported.

Hopefully the task of the apologists will be made more difficult by these particular revelations.

American soldiers have made me sick to my stomach lately.

I feel the same way, and I was one for 4 years, one year of which was spent in Iraq. This makes me wonder what in the hell is going on over there.

I feel the same way, and I was one for 4 years, one year of which was spent in Iraq. This makes me wonder what in the hell is going on over there.
I'd like to say stress, but I'd only be fooling myself...:(

"Core warrior values." I agree with the idea, but.... the name is just so funny!!! :p

I guess there are still Americans who want to take revenge on random people totally unrelated to 9/11, even 5 years later:(

The pictures came from a hardline Sunni group opposed to coalition forces.

Now, there's an objective source for sure.:rolleyes:

Nobody should be surprised. This is what happens in war. Soldiers have their friends killed and they begin to see the entire populace as directly against them due to their frustrations and anger. It also doesn’t help that the average soldier is far too mentally deficient to rationalize their emotions or think about the consequences of their actions.

:( I hate people

I guess there are still Americans who want to take revenge on random people totally unrelated to 9/11, even 5 years later:(


while i agree it is despicable that ANY of our soldiers would be so vile to kill any innocent,it is WAR.

and to your point about 911,i am pretty sure it has little to do with that,or to the point...nothing to do with 911.

i would imagine,being a soldier there,trying to do(stupid bush politics/war aside)something good for the people of iraq,as i am positive 99.9% of our troops are trying to do.

after a few years of car bombings/beheadings/ our troops trying to help rebuild and win hearts and minds(as i am positive they tried to and are still trying)get villafied for isolated incidents,mostly involving communication issues(like stop or i'll shoot,etc)
and then after years of trying to help,watching innocent iraqis murdered by the insurgents,their friends killed by beastly..horrid people...some are starting to lose control.especially when they accidentally shoot someone running a road block were car bombs are de riguer,and are villafied,but then all of you here...say nothing of the blatant targeting of innocents and our troops like it is nothing,when the vast majority of our troops are there to help,but remain strangely silent about the daily dose of atrocities occuring every minute of every day,commited by the insurgents.

how the hell can you throw mud at our guys that are in a situation where we need to be restrained,the enemy is beyond despicable(to their own people)and when a few go around the bend out of revenge/anger...we are bad?

do i condone what has hapennened in haditha or any killing of innocents...absolutely not!

do i understand how emotions can overcome judgement..yes...how the hell can you compare that to the daily dose of horror committed by the scumbag insurgents?

i fear it matters not what i say...you hate us for whatever reason,and will take any oppurtunity to villafy us,yet stay strangely silent about them?

how about we started letting loose with ied's on innocents...jeez..the collective howl of the world would be deafening,yet you all seem strangely silent when it is our enemies commiting the acts?

how cant you understand that after awhile,our boys are gonna get sick of getting blown up with innocent people by scumbags and get pissed?

you should be directing your anger and vile towards the cowards commiting the daily atrocities,and not focusing on isolated acts of revenge or anger...but that wont help your hatred towards america...guess it is ok for 1000's upon 1000's of innocent iraqis(that we are trying to protect)get killed all the time,but you jump at the chance to scream bloody murder for isolated acts of anger in a war if we commit them...remember..people are human,and get angry.
the enemy is using this in a calculated way..to divide us..our issues come from anger and frustration...kinda like the difference between an act of passion and an act of premeditation(insurgents)

get over your blind hatred of the us,and despise the real animal/scumbag/murderers.

and yes i was against the war,still am against it...i thought saddam was a scumbag and he would have killed more then ten times the amount of people that have died if in power...but to me,not worth 1 of our boys,nobody appreciates what we do to help..so screw everyone is my attitude..darfur...bummmer...bosnia..bummer...iran iraq kurds..bummer...damned if we do,and damned if we dont.

the only thing bush did i agree with was in afganistan,and even that i am suspect of...we coulda just blasted them off the map,like we could with iraq.

but at least in afghanistan,we had a right to defend ourselves from aggression.

their is the oil issue i realise,but that aint why we are their,or i would not be paying 2x at the pump then i was before the war.

my personall opinion is we are in iraq and afghanistan to surround iran or t at least contain and heel them.

but thats another debate.

american troops aint the bad guys here...some act ed out,due to loss of friends(like some insurgents i am sure)but not out of calculated policy or tactics

unlike the super duper nice insurgents blowing up kids everyday!:headbang:

do i condone that?absolutely not!

Funny, I was just reading that same article.

With the exception of Abu Ghraib, most of the *revealed* cases of unjustified acts against have occured within the last 365 days. Historically, as wars progress and resistance mounts, it seems soldier discipline has a tendency to buckle, especially in cases like Iraq where fresh contingents of troops haven't been brought in to relieve long-serving occupation forces.

I'm wondering if what we're seeing is evidence that in spite of being the most disciplined and advanced military on Earth, the U.S. forces are still human and are thus falling victim to the extreme psychological fatigue inherent in this sort of thing?

Hmm.. Fucking gay.

Well, let's just wait for the US military apologists to arrive and excuse this on the fact that the people they're fighting are 'much worse', which somehow makes this ok and can safely be ignored. Like all the other times.


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Oh, wait I'm too late. They're already here.

Battle not with Dragons, lest you too become a Dragon.
And when you gaze into the Abyss, the Abyss also gazeth into you.

Hmm.. Fucking gay.
Hey! We're discussing about an alledged massacre here, not your sexual fantasies. Start up a different thread for that :)

Hmm.. Fucking gay.

So you're saying it's a good thing???

Because fucking gay is fantastic. At least thats been my experience with it.

2 Secret aj man

All well and true, but what about the "not going there in the first place" line?

Do you realize that much less people were diying and suffering in Iraq under Saddam than now? So much for the spread of democracy, which will make the life of people better. Man, it's so typically yankee - to think that any problem has a one-time simple solution. Ever heard the saying "If a complicated problem has a simple solution, it is usually wrong"? The case of Iraq.

To the guys who are outraged towards the troops - don't judge, you haven't been there.