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I am just seeing what everyone thinks. This has probably been done before but I am just checking.

In my personal view it should be allowed because it is a lot safer then alcohol and it helps with pain and depression. Which has been proven time and time again. No matter what the FDA says.

I'd say yes. Some may say that it already is legal, and that you should stop being so presumptuous of others' nationalities.

What do you mean should be allowed? It already is. in my country that is

I don't care. I've seen the same arguments for and against it over and over again, and I'll smoke it whether it's legal or not.

Weird Al Yankovich - What If God Smoked Cannabis

Other than that, yes.

Sure. If cigarettes are legal, why not pot?

Yep, most definately.

Definitely. I can think of no better existence than just sitting down smoking weed all day every day...................................:)

What do you mean should be allowed? It already is. in my country that is
Bastard.

No.

If we would have known 500 years ago what we know now, tobacco wouldn't be legal.

If we had known 10,000 years ago what we know know alcohol wouldn't be legal.

It's bad enough to have drunks trying to kill everyone on the road, why would we want high people killing people on the road.

The difference is tobacco and alcohol became a part of the culture. Why would we want to make the mistake of making another drug a part of the culture? Just because two drugs are part of the culture, is not an arguement to make a third a part of the culture. You need to justify that pot would do more good for the society than the evil it would do to the society. I doubt if you can do that.

If we would have known 500 years ago what we know now, tobacco wouldn't be legal.

If we had known 10,000 years ago what we know know alcohol wouldn't be legal.

Oh...you have proof of this?

If we would have known 500 years ago what we know now, tobacco wouldn't be legal.

If we had known 10,000 years ago what we know know alcohol wouldn't be legal.

It's bad enough to have drunks trying to kill everyone on the road, why would we want high people killing people on the road.

The difference is tobacco and alcohol became a part of the culture. Why would we want to make the mistake of making another drug a part of the culture? Just because two drugs are part of the culture, is not an arguement to make a third a part of the culture. You need to justify that pot would do more good for the society than the evil it would do to the society. I doubt if you can do that.

Did we know what cancer was 500 years ago? How about cirrhosis or brain cells?

Pot is already part of the culture.

The question is who do you feel safer around? A drunk person or a high person?

The question is who do you feel safer around? A drunk person or a high person?

High. And how the heck is that the question?

If we would have known 500 years ago what we know now, tobacco wouldn't be legal.

If we had known 10,000 years ago what we know know alcohol wouldn't be legal.

It's bad enough to have drunks trying to kill everyone on the road, why would we want high people killing people on the road.

The difference is tobacco and alcohol became a part of the culture. Why would we want to make the mistake of making another drug a part of the culture? Just because two drugs are part of the culture, is not an arguement to make a third a part of the culture. You need to justify that pot would do more good for the society than the evil it would do to the society. I doubt if you can do that.
Alcohol deaths would decrease a lot, because many people would switch from alcohol to weed, which nobody has ever died from.

If it's harmless, sure. Tobacco is already legal. Even if it isn't harmless, sure. If people want to hurt themselves, let them. Not my problem. Just so long as they are denied any welfare for the consequences of their own actions. :)

it should be compulsory.

High. And how the heck is that the question?

It is how I justify making it legal.

It is how I justify making it legal.
Who do you feel safe around, orphans or bears? Whichever you don't feel safe around we'll have to slaughter.

Pot is already part of the culture.

This is the main problem with making it illegal. To use Good Lifes's logic, if we had known what we do now about pot 500 years ago, it might be possible to illegalize it today. As is, it's not working.

On the "we would've banned alcohol 10,000 years ago" concept, by the way: even if we knew what it did, the ancient world wouldn't get rid of one of its primary sources of both food (early on, beer was really thick and grainy) and drink.

I don't smoke it, but since I have yet to see any evidince that it actually is harmful I say legalize it and tax the hell out of it.
Plus legalizing it would allow our police to devote more effort to other, serious drugs.

Did we know what cancer was 500 years ago? How about cirrhosis or brain cells?
Plenty of research done. According to two recent studies in 1992 pot does not kill brain cells. The common study used by the drug czars was done by Dr. Gabriel Nahas, in his experiment he does not use a control group. He also uses 4 monkeys and submitted them to hundreds of times the amount of pot it would take a human to get high a day.
According to another study that just happened at UCLA, marijuana does not increase your chances for cancer.

This is the main problem with making it illegal. To use Good Lifes's logic, if we had known what we do now about pot 500 years ago, it might be possible to illegalize it today. As is, it's not working.

On the "we would've banned alcohol 10,000 years ago" concept, by the way: even if we knew what it did, the ancient world wouldn't get rid of one of its primary sources of both food (early on, beer was really thick and grainy) and drink.
To think about anything that grows in the nature, it's outright racism to ban one and not all :mad:

Really!

For example, take an embalmed guy who has doped himself up so thoroughly that his remains cause hallucinations, and then a group of worms who ban that particular corpse from the other worms only because it makes them feel good, and throwing some mumbo-jumbo explanations in the air saying "eat the other corpses, not this one!". That's just crazy! Just like Hitler saying "kill that guy because he likes another men" etc.

To think about anything that grows in the nature, it's outright racism to ban one and not all :mad:

Really!
Yeah, really racist to alcohol and tobacco...better put some affirmative action into place. :rolleyes:

Plenty of research done. According to two recent studies in 1992 pot does not kill brain cells. The common study used by the drug czars was done by Dr. Gabriel Nahas, in his experiment he does not use a control group. He also uses 4 monkeys and submitted them to hundreds of times the amount of pot it would take a human to get high a day.
According to another study that just happened at UCLA, marijuana does not increase your chances for cancer.

As far as I know, that was criticism of the whole "had we known about tobacco/alcohol in the past, we would have banned it" concept. Dinaverq's comment had nothing to do with the attributes of pot.

As far as I know, that was criticism of the whole "had we known about tobacco/alcohol in the past, we would have banned it" concept. Dinaverq's comment had nothing to do with the attributes of pot.
I know, it was just a reason for me to jump in.

I know, it was just a reason for me to jump in.

Yay! I'm a springboard!

To think about anything that grows in the nature, it's outright racism to ban one and not all :mad:

Really!

Lol, Are the social scientist teaching you kids that plants are a race now,lol.

Always fun to listen to all the pot heads come out and try to justify their habbit.

Cannabis should be illegal, and so should alcohol and tobacco.

Pot is already part of the culture.
:eek:

That's exactly what I was thinking.

...creepy.

:eek:

That's exactly what I was thinking.

...creepy.
It means we're soul mates.

It means we're soul mates.

Woohoo! *throws a couple of parties*

Yeah, really racist to alcohol and tobacco...better put some affirmative action into place. :rolleyes:
Then what about food in general? Air? Water?
They make you feel gooooood! Plus think of the consequences!! You get hooked immediately! The overdoses are horrifying!! And if you stop taking them, aww man, then you'll be up to your neck in trouble! :eek:

I have done alot of research and pot isn't that bad for you. I don't know I could be talking outta my ass. I am more on the side of give the people more freedom to make their own choices. On the flip side I think drugs like heroine that do damage to you really bad should stay illegal.

If we had known 10,000 years ago what we know know alcohol wouldn't be legal.


Whoa there Nelly. Alcohol was vital to the development of modern society. It was a clean germ free source of hydration for most of europe for over 1000 years. I strongly suspect that is true for many other cultures too.

We tend to gloss over the fact that althought the native north americans had plenty of fresh water prior to the coming of europeans, and rules and knowledge about how to assess the safety of any water source, it certainly wasnt fool proof. Many would have died from contaminated water.

This is NOT to say alcohol did them any good. From what I can see from years of bar life is that native north americans are affected differently than people of european decent. Thats really out of my area of expertise. Hopefully Sinuhue wil add her insights from here.

Lol, Are the social scientist teaching you kids that plants are a race now,lol.

Always fun to listen to all the pot heads come out and try to justify their habbit.
Well, is an orchid a rose then?

I know of no study that has given good benefits to tobacco use, I have seen a number of studies that show good effects of light alcohol use. It's really a bad comparison anyway, a better comparison is to compare tobacco with a wormwood laced martini. The bad stuff in tobacco is also present in cannabis so on that reason alone should be illegal.

It means we're soul mates.
Sorry, but I already sold my soul...you can buy my heart though.

Well, is an orchid a rose then?

SPECIES. SPECIES.

SPECIES. SPECIES.
Yep. And alcohol would be a substance. Kids are getting dumber by the day. :confused:

something around 50 more or 50 times more carciniagians in pot than tobacco, but according to a recent study it does not increase your chances for cancer. The only real thing thats worse in pot is the tar.

SPECIES. SPECIES.
Oh, sorry, my bad. Not everyone are english u know ppl? Sometimes we mistake one word for another, ever heard of that?

Yep. And alcohol would be a substance. Kids are getting dumber by the day. :confused:
"Stupid is, stupid does" - Forrest Gump

Yep. And alcohol would be a substance. Kids are getting dumber by the day. :confused:
and besides, I wasn't referring to alcohol at all, myself

and besides, I wasn't referring to alcohol at all, myself
The post you were referring to did though.

In my personal view it should be allowed because it is a lot safer then alcohol and it helps with pain and depression. Which has been proven time and time again. No matter what the FDA says.
the bolded part is nonsense, and not just from personal experience. one of the first questions my doctor asked me when i went about depression was whether i'd been using alcohol or cannabis. since quitting* i'm able to deal with my problems head-on, and am not so messed up. still got problems, but at least they're my own.

other than that, yeah... legalise it. just regulate it like alcohol and tobacco - retailers should have to have specific licences to be able to sell it, and there should be quality controls, too



* i say "quitting"... it really wasn't at all hard as cannabis isn't in the least bit pysiologically addictive. psychologically, yes, but thats just a matter of habit like biting your nails...

Responding to:
"If we would have known 500 years ago what we know now, tobacco wouldn't be legal.

If we had known 10,000 years ago what we know know alcohol wouldn't be legal.

It's bad enough to have drunks trying to kill everyone on the road, why would we want high people killing people on the road.

The difference is tobacco and alcohol became a part of the culture. Why would we want to make the mistake of making another drug a part of the culture? Just because two drugs are part of the culture, is not an arguement to make a third a part of the culture. You need to justify that pot would do more good for the society than the evil it would do to the society. I doubt if you can do that."

First off, it's already part of the culture. It's just not a legal part. Second, if you'll look at the sociological statistics- and I mean really look at the raw data instead of just believing what some "Don't Do Drugs" PSA says the statistics are- you'll find that a driver who is stoned is not a hazard on the road. In fact, stoned drivers are, if anything, cautious to a fault on the road and are far less likely to get into traffic accidents than a drunk driver. Third, the last lines of your post use the words "good" and "evil" and, time and again, we've seen how those terms vary depending on culture, time and place. What is good? What is evil? And who are you to tell me what the difference is?
Lastly, the "if we knew then what we know now" arguement doesn't really hold water either. If we knew about cholesterol and air pollution 10,000 years ago, by your own logic, both cars and red meat would also be illegal.

Oh, sorry, my bad. Not everyone are english u know ppl? Sometimes we mistake one word for another, ever heard of that?

Species is a scientific term, and those are usually held fairly constant across nations and languages. In any case, the term race is only used for people.

the bolded part is nonsense, and not just from personal experience. one of the first questions my doctor asked me when i went about depression was whether i'd been using alcohol or cannabis. since quitting i'm able to deal with my problems head-on, and am not so messed up. still got problems, but at least they're my own.

other than that, yeah... legalise it. just regulate it like alcohol and tobacco - retailers should have to have specific licences to be able to sell it, and there should be quality controls, too
Well, I have to disagree. That's true that if you take too much anything, you get depressed quite easily. But I, myself started to learn solving my problems only after I started. If a doctor tells you to take some aspirin, you propably wouldn't eat the whole package in the first day either?

Meh, legalize it, tax it 'till it costs just a bit less than the black-market stuff, then make the greens. :p

I'd say do that, make much tougher laws regarding DWI, and see how that goes.

Really though, I'm neither for or against legalizing weed. I'm seeing the potiental profits I can make off such a venture. So yes, I'm seeing the greens.

Species is a scientific term, and those are usually held fairly constant across nations and languages. In any case, the term race is only used for people.
In finnish there is absolutely no word written, or pronounced "species". Besides, I hate when different groups of ppl are referred to with the word "race". That's disgusting.

And how come, then, in several rpg:s everyone talks about races, as -for example- a giant and a naga are two totally different species?

In finnish there is absolutely no word written, or pronounced "species". Besides, I hate when different groups of ppl are referred to with the word "race". That's disgusting.

And how come, then, in several rpg:s everyone talks about races, as -for example- a giant and a naga are two totally different species?

RPGs aren't scientific? *gasp* Shock.

I am just seeing what everyone thinks. This has probably been done before but I am just checking.

In my personal view it should be allowed because it is a lot safer then alcohol and it helps with pain and depression. Which has been proven time and time again. No matter what the FDA says.
And it wouldn't be illegal if Congress hadn't decided to shove its collective up its ass in the 1930s during the heat of prohibition, effectively clumping all drugs into a singular category. Various doctors had reported on the benefits of Cannabis and had suggested that it remain completely legal... Damn Mexicans ;) If they hadn't come over, COngress wouldn't have needed to stigle their happy hour...

Yes. All drugs should be legal, so long as driving under the influence is not.

No way, its fine where it is.

by your own logic, both cars and red meat would also be illegal.
With everything there is good and bad. It's a balance. Does the good out balance the bad far enough that we are justified in making it a part of the culture.

With meat the gain in cheap protein has given humans the ability to develop larger bodies and brains. We balance that against heart problems that usually develop after breeding age.

With cars we didn't know about the health effects, or the economic problems at the time they became a part of the culture. We are now reevaluating that decision, and in many places trying to replace them with public transportation so the bad can be mitigated.

In order for society to add pot to the main culture, you will have to argue that there is a good that will over ride all of the bad that will be created. Not just a neutral. But a definate balance to the benefit of society.

I have not seen any posts that show a benefit to society at large.

no.
else then it wouldnt be as rebellious or cool for the kids to do it
so theyd find some other drug worse to do
at least at the moment, theyre not hurting themselves terrribly, or at all, depending who you believe; but they still get their kicks from being naughty

I'd say yes. Some may say that it already is legal, and that you should stop being so presumptuous of others' nationalities.
The question asks whether it should be legal, impied whether or not.

It makes no assumption on the current state, it doesn't ask "should it be made legal." Whether or not something is legal doesn't affect the discussion of should it be legal. Therefore there was no presumption of nationality implied.

Legalize it and violent crime will drop. Anyone who has ever smoked pot or eaten it can confirm that you get a much more stable buzz from weed than from alcohol. Plus, testosterone levels drop sharply, making men less likely to commit sexual assault or get into fights. Still keep the DWI laws and develop ways of testing for THC on the roads just like with alcohol and keep the age limit at 18.

Legalize it and violent crime will drop. Anyone who has ever smoked pot or eaten it can confirm that you get a much more stable buzz from weed than from alcohol. Plus, testosterone levels drop sharply, making men less likely to commit sexual assault or get into fights. Still keep the DWI laws and develop ways of testing for THC on the roads just like with alcohol and keep the age limit at 18.Either lower the age limit, or raise it. If it's 18, then a hell of a lot of young teens will be criminals, while the drug will still influence the development of the 18 year olds' bodies.

The question is who do you feel safer around? A drunk person or a high person?

Alcohol, cigarettes and all drugs should be banned in the interests of public safety.

Marijuana limits the mind's capacity to take in and retain information.

Users often fall short on verbal and numerical skills.

Marijuana is a massive cancer risk, being forty times more carcinogenic than ordinary cigarettes.


Marijuana also affects hormones. Regular use can delay the onset of puberty in young men and reduce sperm production. For women, regular use may disrupt normal monthly menstrual cycles and inhibit ovulation. When pregnant women use marijuana, they run the risk of having smaller babies with lower birth weights, who are more likely than other babies to develop health problems. Some studies have also found indications of developmental delays in children exposed to marijuana before birth.

Marijuana also severely disrupts the heart beat and within the first hour quadruples the risk of a heart attack. The tachycardia (heart rate increase) and increased blood pressure will seriously endanger people with atherosclerosis or propensity to heart failure.

Marijuana is most dangerous to the young.

You know what FDA stands for? Fu*k Dat Ass.

Yes, crime rates would go down and prisons wouldn't be so overcrowded. As for me? Never smoked the stuff, almost certainly never will. You know come to think of it, making the penalty death (instant, none of this waiting crap) would solve the problems just as well. Sadly no one will do that...

I believe Cannabis should be made legal in the UK; it'd help with the NHS' current cash crisis if you taxed it like tobacco and alcohol, and I don't believe there'd be as many fights on the high-street (hehe) any more, if people were getting nicely toasted instead of drinking 10 pints of Stella.

Also there's the whole stopping the gate-way drug thing and cutting crime-rates. As well as improving the quality of the pot you smoke, if it's gone through quality control checks.

Cannabis kills people gradually; it would send more people to your NHS which would out weigh any fiscal benefit you might have thought it would have.

Yip. Make it legal.

Yip. Make it legal.

Because it kills people or...

Because it kills people or...
Question: "Should Cannabis be legal"
Answer: "Yes"

I don't see any reason to discuss why. I don't want to nor do I have to.

Incidence of people dying due to cannabis: once every decade.
Incidence of people dying due to knives: every 2 days or so. 51 for the year thus far in England.

Every peeler chasing the joints is not busy sticking hoodies with knives into prison-cells. Situation not acceptable.
Legalise cannabis, and get the Peelers busy with serious work.

Incidence of people dying due to cannabis: once every decade.
Incidence of people dying due to knives: every 2 days or so. 51 for the year thus far in England.

Every peeler chasing the joints is not busy sticking hoodies with knives into prison-cells. Situation not acceptable.
Legalise cannabis, and get the Peelers busy with serious work.
... Won't anyone think of the death penalty? Solution to overpopulation/taxation...

Incidence of people dying due to cannabis: once every decade.
Incidence of people dying due to knives: every 2 days or so. 51 for the year thus far in England.

Every peeler chasing the joints is not busy sticking hoodies with knives into prison-cells. Situation not acceptable.
Legalise cannabis, and get the Peelers busy with serious work.

Keeping cannabis illegal is protecting people from diseases and thus saving lives.

... Won't anyone think of the death penalty? Solution to overpopulation/taxation...
And overpopulation is relevant how?

Cannabis kills people gradually; it would send more people to your NHS which would out weigh any fiscal benefit you might have thought it would have.
ANy stats to back that up? Last I'd heard a recent study had stuggested there's not as much of a link to cancer as with tobacco smoking.
http://www.countryjoe.com/potnews.htm#9

... Won't anyone think of the death penalty? Solution to overpopulation/taxation...

I'm afraid that won't be me.
I am, after all, a rather evangelical Christian ( UK-style ) and I don't approve of breaking the 6th Commandment: Thou shalt not kill.
I apply that Rule to capital punishment as well: I consider the death penalty morally unacceptable.

Keeping cannabis illegal is protecting people from diseases and thus saving lives.

Which diseases?

And overpopulation is relevant how?
Everyone keeps mentioning prison overpopulation. :p

I'm afraid that won't be me.
I am, after all, a rather evangelical Christian ( UK-style ) and I don't approve of breaking the 6th Commandment: Thou shalt not kill.
I apply that Rule to capital punishment as well: I consider the death penalty morally unacceptable.
To each their own then. :) To be honest I'd only apply it to murderers, cannibis should be legalised to lower the crime rate. (And maybe let them weed themselves out) :p Oh, I consider myself to be a christian, but I wasn't there, for all I (or anyone else knows) the original bible consisted of "Goodbye, good luck, and good riddins.". :)

Which diseases?

Coronary heart disease, bronchitis, acceleration of atherosclerosis, emphysema, all the cancers caused by smoking (lung, bladder, throat, mouth, oesophagus) as cannabis is forty times more carcinogenic than cigarettes.

I'm afraid that won't be me.
I am, after all, a rather evangelical Christian ( UK-style ) and I don't approve of breaking the 6th Commandment: Thou shalt not kill.
I apply that Rule to capital punishment as well: I consider the death penalty morally unacceptable.

What about an eye for an eye...

Coronary heart disease, bronchitis, acceleration of atherosclerosis, emphysema, all the cancers caused by smoking (lung, bladder, throat, mouth, oesophagus) as cannabis is forty times more carcinogenic than cigarettes.

I must say I find that a bit of a sophistry.
Perhaps the FDA has a nice brochure about the risks of passively smoking a joint?

What about an eye for an eye...

Are you aware of the difference between the active and the passive in verbs?

An eye for an eye: the penance you must be prepared to give for your own sins .
Not the penance you have to exact for the sins of others.

Everyone keeps mentioning prison overpopulation. :p
Oh, ok.

Death penalty never the right option though :).

I don't think that's correct; we have a duty to carry out God's words on Earth.

Coronary heart disease, bronchitis, acceleration of atherosclerosis, emphysema, all the cancers caused by smoking (lung, bladder, throat, mouth, oesophagus) as cannabis is forty times more carcinogenic than cigarettes.
Cancer? (http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/6811.html)
Are you sure? (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/05/24/marijuana_cancer_risk_played_down/)

I don't think that's correct; we have a duty to carry out God's words on Earth.

Do you remember the first stone and all that?

This is getting off-topic but: the idea here is to live by the rules ourselves.
And not to force 'em upon others until we've become perfect - which we never do.

Lol, Are the social scientist teaching you kids that plants are a race now,lol.

Always fun to listen to all the pot heads come out and try to justify their habbit.

Bill Hicks: "How dare you have a Wino tell me not to do drugs"

Lets just ignore the fact that that post is 4 pages back...

there should b cannibals....y is there a debate? it is an easy answer. like bang ur head on a wall easy:headbang: all cannibals should not b shot :sniper: :mp5: they r people 2!!! if a cannibal problem happens (like they begin eating government officials) then resorting to magic :gundge: or guns :sniper: :mp5: is ok.

there should b cannibals....y is there a debate? it is an easy answer. like bang ur head on a wall easy:headbang: all cannibals should not b shot :sniper: :mp5: they r people 2!!! if a cannibal problem happens (like they begin eating government officials) then resorting to magic :gundge: or guns :sniper: :mp5: is ok.
Please tell me that was sarcasm.

Please tell me that was sarcasm.
whether it was or not, i think i just lost a few brain cells reading it :eek:

no, its a hallucinagenic(Sp?)
its illegal for that reason, and should remain that way.
in Oz anyway

Please tell me that was sarcasm.

I think 'Jibberish' is closer to the truth...

there should b cannibals....y is there a debate? it is an easy answer. like bang ur head on a wall easy:headbang: all cannibals should not b shot :sniper: :mp5: they r people 2!!! if a cannibal problem happens (like they begin eating government officials) then resorting to magic :gundge: or guns :sniper: :mp5: is ok.
Such a typical first post it's not funny.
It's brilliant.

Alcohol, cigarettes and all drugs should be banned in the interests of public safety.

Absolutly absurd. The US government has no business telling me what I can and can't take into my body, as long as I don't pose a threat to others.

What will you ban next? Red meat? Ice Cream? Sky-diving?
Btw, alcohol and cigarettes are drugs, so you're being redundant as well as ridiculous.

Marijuana limits the mind's capacity to take in and retain information.

...temporarily.

Users often fall short on verbal and numerical skills.

Says who? I've been smoking for over 12 years, and I can still score in the 99th percentile on any verbal or numerical aptitude test.

Marijuana is a massive cancer risk, being forty times more carcinogenic than ordinary cigarettes

That is an outright lie, with no basis whatsoever in reality.

Marijuana also affects hormones. Regular use can delay the onset of puberty in young men and reduce sperm production. For women, regular use may disrupt normal monthly menstrual cycles and inhibit ovulation. When pregnant women use marijuana, they run the risk of having smaller babies with lower birth weights, who are more likely than other babies to develop health problems. Some studies have also found indications of developmental delays in children exposed to marijuana before birth.

No one is suggesting marijuana should be used by prepubescent children or pregnant women.

Marijuana also severely disrupts the heart beat and within the first hour quadruples the risk of a heart attack. The tachycardia (heart rate increase) and increased blood pressure will seriously endanger people with atherosclerosis or propensity to heart failure.

Marijuana increases the heart rate, hardly what I would call a severe disruption. Cigarettes or exercise could have the same effect. Besides, no one is suggesting that people with heart problems smoke weed.

Marijuana is most dangerous to the young.

True, for once....and under the current system of criminalization, teenagers can get weed easier than alcohol. Hell, teenagers can get weed easier than I can get weed.

True, for once....and under the current system of criminalization, teenagers can get weed easier than alcohol. Hell, teenagers can get weed easier than I can get weed.
Hmm, my Mummy said to wait till after school to try weed. She used to smoke it occasionally and is the CEO of a national company.. She pointed out that it does damage to a developing brain so it's best to wait.

The main reason put forward so far for legalising cannabis, is that it will lower crime (?!) through one of two ways.

1) The first is simply that making something legalising something means people aren't commiting crimes when they do it. This is ridiculous. The same logic can be applied to hard drug abuse, theft and even murder.

2) The second is this theory that high people less likely to commit crimes than drunks. I'm sceptical about this fact anyway, but even if it's true, you're assuming that people are not going to be high AND drunk. Something which from my experience is common. It is also generally accepted that most abusers of hard drugs progressed from softer substances such as cannabis.

Personnally, I have two better reasons for its legalisation:

1) The government could tax the hell out of it.

2) Its production could be monitored. This would put a stop to all the impure (and as a result more harmful) cannabis that is regularly sold by drug dealers.

For me though, these are not enough. When balanced with the risks of depression, schitzophrenia, cancers, heart disease, people moving on to harder drugs and the risk of diseases that are already associated with tobbaco smoking, it is just not worth it.

I also reject the idea that cannabis is part of my country's culture to anywhere near the same extent as alcohol, and even smoking. Pehaps to a small proportion of the population, but the other two are universal.

P.S. Cannabis is British English for marijuana.

Yeah all recreational drugs should be legalised, even the shitty ones.

I think that all recreational drugs should be legalised, with appropriate laws concerning driving, public use, et cetera.

However, as everybody's so keen on the 'Yeah, it's my body' idea, I was thinking. What if we legalised them, but any consequential health problems have to be paid for privately? You can't just ask for the government's help just because you did something harmful to yourself when you went against their recomendations in the first place.

Note: I'm only talking about drugs, I believe people who fail an attempt at suicide or something similar should be treated and have counselling.

I voted yes. Although it's a complete lie that the long term effects of marijuana are less severe than the effects of alcohol (I know this from personal experience), I still believe that as my property, my body and mind are not the jurisdiction of the government.

LOL - sigged

I have dream... where I can live in a society where the government never tries to be helpful...

practically legal here in Canada...

I have dream... where I can live in a society where the government never tries to be helpful...Can I come?

I'd just like to remind the 30 percent of people on here who voted for making it illegal, you're voting to put me in prison. Cheers.

I'd just like to remind the 30 percent of people on here who voted for making it illegal, you're voting to put me in prison. Cheers.You've been around since 2003. I've only been around since last summer, yet I realised a long time ago, that roughly 30% of the NSG population wants to lock everyone else away.

Still, I shouldn't think you need to take it as a personal insult. As far as I can tell, it's mostly about ridding the world of any & everything those 30% don't like, don't engage in or don't care to learn about.

I'd just like to remind the 30 percent of people on here who voted for making it illegal, you're voting to put me in prison. Cheers.
Do the crime--Do the time.

Unless you're a alien making a lot of money for big business--but that's another thread.

dude no

Absolutly absurd. The US government has no business telling me what I can and can't take into my body, as long as I don't pose a threat to others.

Yes it does.

What will you ban next? Red meat? Ice Cream? Sky-diving?
Btw, alcohol and cigarettes are drugs, so you're being redundant as well as ridiculous.

I also believe that alcohol and cigarettes should be banned.

Says who? I've been smoking for over 12 years, and I can still score in the 99th percentile on any verbal or numerical aptitude test.

You're lucky; a scientific study has prove it beyond reasonable doubt.

That is an outright lie, with no basis whatsoever in reality.

No, it's not.

No one is suggesting marijuana should be used by prepubescent children or pregnant women.

And you think it won't be?

Marijuana increases the heart rate, hardly what I would call a severe disruption. Cigarettes or exercise could have the same effect. Besides, no one is suggesting that people with heart problems smoke weed.

Tachycardia is a disruption to the normal heart beat. It has two main harmful effects. Firstly, when the heart beats too rapidly, it does not have sufficient time for the ventricles to fill completely. This in turn results in the cardiac output diminishing. Secondly tachycardia increases the work of the heart causing it to need more oxygen whilst reducing blood flow to the cardiac muscle tissue; thus increasing the risk of ischemia and increasing the risk of a myocardial infarction.

and under the current system of criminalization, teenagers can get weed easier than alcohol. Hell, teenagers can get weed easier than I can get weed.

That's why mandatory life sentences need to be applied to all peoples convicted of narcotics offenses.

Yes it does.



I also believe that alcohol and cigarettes should be banned.



You're lucky; a scientific study has prove it beyond reasonable doubt.



No, it's not.



And you think it won't be?



Tachycardia is a disruption to the normal heart beat. It has two main harmful effects. Firstly, when the heart beats too rapidly, it does not have sufficient time for the ventricles to fill completely. This in turn results in the cardiac output diminishing. Secondly tachycardia increases the work of the heart causing it to need more oxygen whilst reducing blood flow to the cardiac muscle tissue; thus increasing the risk of ischemia and increasing the risk of a myocardial infarction.



That's why mandatory life sentences need to be applied to all peoples convicted of narcotics offenses.


I cant help but thank the founding fathers again for the second ammendment every time I hear another self rightouse fanatic try to tell me how I should live MY life or what I should think or who or what I should believe in .

beer is legal - pot should be legal.
the government should stay the fuck out of my life . Unless its building roads or protecting the United States or delivering mail.
prohibition only creates a criminal class that should not exist and would not exist . Prohibition FEEDS crime ..its a stupid law.

I cant help but thank the founding fathers again for the second ammendment every time I hear another self rightouse fanatic try to tell me how I should live MY life or what I should think or who or what I should believe in .

beer is legal - pot should be legal.
the government should stay the fuck out of my life . Unless its building roads or protecting the United States or delivering mail.
prohibition only creates a criminal class that should not exist and would not exist . Prohibition FEEDS crime ..its a stupid law.

Prohibition protects a majority of people from moral and physical decay.

I cant help but thank the founding fathers again for the second ammendment every time I hear another self rightouse fanatic try to tell me how I should live MY life or what I should think or who or what I should believe in .

beer is legal - pot should be legal.
the government should stay the fuck out of my life . Unless its building roads or protecting the United States or delivering mail.
prohibition only creates a criminal class that should not exist and would not exist . Prohibition FEEDS crime ..its a stupid law.


Ahah I'm sooooo tempted to write 'No it's not'

But I wont.:p

Do the crime--Do the time.

Unless you're a alien making a lot of money for big business--but that's another thread.

How does it hurt anyone except from me?

In my personal opinion, I believe that marijuana should be legal. It isn't physically addicting (or at least there is no evidence that there is) and the amount it is smoked makes it much less harmful that cigarettes or alcohol. I'd rather somebody smoke one joint a week than three packs of cigarettes a day.

Now, that being said, I don't think it should be legal. Somebody I know brought up a very good point that if it were legalized, it would be made physically addicting by the companies. This alone means that it shouldn't be legal, or at least not in America. In most of the countries where it is already legal, they don't have a corrupt business world with a gargantuous amount of capitalism. So the threat is lower. But in America, I think that a policy of unenforced illegalization would make much more sense than legalization. Nobody will get in trouble for it and the corporations won't get their hands on it.

In answer to the first question, absolutely. I would never smoke the stuff myself, but if someone wants to smoke it, it's none of my business. That being said, I will never accept the fact that people who smoke the stuff have the right to sue companies because "they were not properly informed about the dangerous affects of smoking marajuana." :headbang:

Cannabals? Allowed NO WAY! (http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/laughoutloud.gif) It's a joke, I know it's not that funny...

I say that yes, Cannabis (Pot, Weed, Dank, Crippy, Schwag, Hydro, etc) should most deffinitely be legal.

It's always made me quite baffled that Alcohol, to which over 100,000 deaths a year (not counting drunk driving) can be attributed, is legal; Tobacco, to which over 300,000 deaths per year can be attributedm is also legal. Theres even a government bureau (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (to which many deaths are attributed, as well), or the ATF) devoted ostensibly to stopping illegal trade in these items, which translated as stomping out competition rather than limiting their use.

And yet marijuana, to which not one death can be legitimately attributed, is classified as a schedule I narcotic.

Somebody I know brought up a very good point that if it were legalized, it would be made physically addicting by the companies. This alone means that it shouldn't be legal, or at least not in America.

I can see it now:

Marlboro Caffeinated Spliffs - Now with 20% more Tobacco in every pack!

How does it hurt anyone except from me?
Many of the hurts are unknown. One is you share the road with me. The benefits are also unknown, but at this time are few. Maybe a few for those with painful cancer or glocoma. Those people should be allowed to get a prescription. For the common person, I have yet to hear a benefit. So obviously the benefits to society don't out weigh the hurts. You lose.

Prohibition protects a majority of people from moral and physical decay.
See the 1920's!

Oh no... wait...

Lol, there sure a lot of potheads on this site.

I answered no, for many reasons. No matter what a few studies say, I don't trust things that make you hallucinate or contains carcinogens. Widespread drug use also leads to decreased productivity, as well as more strain on welfare. Though potheads don't inhale tar like cigarettes have, they're still inhaling smoke.

Lol, there sure a lot of potheads on this site.

I answered no, for many reasons. No matter what a few studies say, I don't trust things that make you hallucinate or contains carcinogens. Widespread drug use also leads to decreased productivity, as well as more strain on welfare. Though potheads don't inhale tar like cigarettes have, they're still inhaling smoke.Its a narcotic, not a hallucinogen. Doesn't make you see things, it just deflates you.

Moderate use isn't particularly dangerous. A very few people with more or less latent psychological problems, may be adversely affected even by casual use, however, that is extremely rare.
Its not a greatt drug for teenagers, as it hampers growth. Still, casual use doesn't adversely affect people in general.

Coffee's arguably worse than cannabis, though I'll admit I enjoy a whole lot of the former & none of the latter.

Let it be legal. The only argument for maintaining the ban, is some fiendish desire to lock up a hell of a lot of otherwise innocent people, for the terribly vile act of enjoying themselves without bothering anyone...

The ban is insane.

EDIT: And unlike anything from painkillers, to coffee, to artificial sweetners, to fags & chocolate, cannabis is almost impossible to get adicted to & adictions are easy to overcome.

In my personal view it should be allowed because it is a lot safer then alcohol and it helps with pain and depression. Which has been proven time and time again. No matter what the FDA says.

So does herorine, does that mean you should legalise that?

However, i do think that legalising canabis could be a good idea for two things.

1) It may stop people from going on to harder drugs because the distributers will only be distributing one type of drug.

2) It will decrease underground organized crime.

If we would have known 500 years ago what we know now, tobacco wouldn't be legal.

If we had known 10,000 years ago what we know know alcohol wouldn't be legal.

It's bad enough to have drunks trying to kill everyone on the road, why would we want high people killing people on the road.

The difference is tobacco and alcohol became a part of the culture. Why would we want to make the mistake of making another drug a part of the culture? Just because two drugs are part of the culture, is not an arguement to make a third a part of the culture. You need to justify that pot would do more good for the society than the evil it would do to the society. I doubt if you can do that.
Dude, I drink and I'm a functioning member of society. Keep your bigotry to yourself. We're not all drunk drivers.

Dude, I drink and I'm a functioning member of society. Keep your bigotry to yourself. We're not all drunk drivers.
I have a drink from time to time also. But that doesn't mean that there are more benefits then there are harms.

I have a drink from time to time also. But that doesn't mean that there are more benefits then there are harms.

Actually, there are benifits to some alcoholic drinks, sparingly anyways.

I am 16. About 60% of my friends do or used to smoke weed and yeah, it definately makes you skitso. in the uk they downgraded it from a B class drug to a C and the rate of use went up like 40% nationwide. Legalisation is a bad idea

I am 16. About 60% of my friends do or used to smoke weed and yeah, it definately makes you skitso. in the uk they downgraded it from a B class drug to a C and the rate of use went up like 40% nationwide. Legalisation is a bad idea

1) Yes it does affect developing brains
2) If you're too lazy to type schizophrenic, at least get the part you type spelled correctly or something.

Yeah sorry it was a long word and I was posting from my Palm