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I hope you guys like Loose Change, because this guy owned it. He used the infamous Loose Change Viewer's Guide (http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html) and other sources.

He uses subtitles mixed with his own movies and pictures debunking the claims of Loose Change.

http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

Who cares. Noone will ever know what really happened.

the conspriracy farts will not watch this. They have too much invested in believing that G.W. Bush did it - regardless of how stupid he is.

Why is it so hard for people to realize that this was a terrorist act, that was planned for a long time, and that 19 Hijackers were responsible for the death of 3,000 people?

Why is it so hard for people to realize that this was a terrorist act, that was planned for a long time, and that 19 Hijackers were responsible for the death of 3,000 people?

Because they aren't well educated? At least, according to that inaccurate zogby poll.

Because they aren't well educated? At least, according to that inaccurate zogby poll.

yea. I don't know, I just can't see anyone in the United States planning the death of 3,000 people, even if it is Bush.

Why is it so hard for people to realize that this was a terrorist act, that was planned for a long time, and that 19 Hijackers were responsible for the death of 3,000 people?

Probably because it was more convenient than the Reichstag fire.

Or it gives a good reason to throw molotiv cocktails and act like an asshole.

Who cares. Noone will ever know what really happened.

Except, yanno, eyewitnesses and stuff?

P.S. No. One. Two words.

Welp, I just got done watching Screw Loose Change, and it really did a number on "Loose Change". It did a very good job showing that Dylan Avery do not know what he's talking about. How old is Dylan Avery anyways?

screw this video.

screw this video.

Screw nails.

Screw your girlfriend or boyfriend! :D

Screw your girlfriend or boyfriend! :D

You operate under the assumption we have one.

Welp, I just got done watching Screw Loose Change, and it really did a number on "Loose Change". It did a very good job showing that Dylan Avery do not know what he's talking about. How old is Dylan Avery anyways?

20 I believe.

20 I believe.

He sounded 16.

Probably because it was more convenient than the Reichstag fire.

Naw...I think most Americans would celebrate if the Capitol were burned down.:p

Can someone please then explain how WTC 7 collapsed. there is no way that building collapsed because of 2 isolated fires. It's impossible not without explosives, I mean it looked exactly like a building implosion, just watch the video there's a lot of other unanswered questions like the pentagon videos why won't they release them.

Can someone please then explain how WTC 7 collapsed. there is no way that building collapsed because of 2 isolated fires. It's impossible not without explosives, I mean it looked exactly like a building implosion, just watch the video there's a lot of other unanswered questions like the pentagon videos why won't they release them.

Watch the video please.

Screw nails.

Hammer nails, screw screws

Hammer nails, screw screws

Screw inclined planes sprialing around a cylinder.

touche

Can someone please then explain how WTC 7 collapsed. there is no way that building collapsed because of 2 isolated fires. It's impossible not without explosives, I mean it looked exactly like a building implosion, just watch the video there's a lot of other unanswered questions like the pentagon videos why won't they release them.

Do you know how long it takes to set up an implosion? Don't you think the people that worked there would have noticed all the explosives, blasting caps, and wires running through the building? Here's a pic of what I'm talking about: http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/building-implosion-20.jpg

As to the Pentagon videos, they were seized for criminal proceedings. Also, the video tapes from the gas station and the hotel are owned by the gas station and the hotel respectively, and once they get them back, they do not have to show them if they so choose.

Do you know how long it takes to set up an implosion? Don't you think the people that worked there would have noticed all the explosives, blasting caps, and wires running through the building? Here's a pic of what I'm talking about: http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/building-implosion-20.jpg

As to the Pentagon videos, they were seized for criminal proceedings. Also, the video tapes from the gas station and the hotel are owned by the gas station and the hotel respectively, and once they get them back, they do not have to show them if they so choose.


Finally some one to silence those stupid retards "Everything is a government plot" For Gods sakes can we not have catastrophy with out some jackass claiming the government did it thank you to who ever made"screw loose change" For silencing some stupid 20 year old jackass and his weak remarks Thank you

This video pwns.

Bump

This video is an alien conspiricy *nods*

Probably because it was more convenient than the Reichstag fire.Yea, it's uncanny.

I have a hard time believing the administration would've tried to stop 9/11 from happening, if they could.

This video is an alien conspiricy *nods*

?

Except, yanno, eyewitnesses and stuff?

P.S. No. One. Two words.

A million eyewitnesses will provide a million different stories.

A million eyewitnesses will provide a million different stories.

A plane looks different than a missile.

A plane looks different than a missile.

It was a plane. 4 planes crashed on that day, they were hijacked, and there was no controlled demolishion, the Bush administration did not sit in a dark room deep underground planning it, There's no insurance fraud, there's no stock fraud. All it is is that 19 islamic terrorist hijacked 4 airplanes crashed two of them into the WTC, one of them in the Pentagon and the final one crashed into the field of Shanksville, PA.

It was a plane. 4 planes crashed on that day, they were hijacked, and there was no controlled demolishion, the Bush administration did not sit in a dark room deep underground planning it, There's no insurance fraud, there's no stock fraud. All it is is that 19 islamic terrorist hijacked 4 airplanes crashed two of them into the WTC, one of them in the Pentagon and the final one crashed into the field of Shanksville, PA.


I agree totally the only thing bush may have done wrong was saying who the terrorists were other than that bush is my main man hes really not that bad people just jump on the bush bashing wagon because every one else is doing it

A million eyewitnesses will provide a million different stories.
but all those different stories will be centered around a common truth.

A million eyewitnesses will provide a million different stories.
And yet in this case they all said basically the same thing. They said pasenger jets flew into buildings.

I agree totally the only thing bush may have done wrong was saying who the terrorists were other than that bush is my main man hes really not that bad people just jump on the bush bashing wagon because every one else is doing it
No. People are bashing Bush because he's stupid and teh worst president we've ever had. Makes you long for the days of Richard Nixon.

Can someone please then explain how WTC 7 collapsed. there is no way that building collapsed because of 2 isolated fires. It's impossible not without explosives, I mean it looked exactly like a building implosion, just watch the video there's a lot of other unanswered questions like the pentagon videos why won't they release them.
What happened is that they decided the north and south towers weren't enough. They said, "Hey, Rummy. You did a real good job on the Pentagon. That missile was right on target. And Dick, great job with the Penn crash. If we're gonna fool the American people into going to war, we need some heroes and that crash brought a tear even to my eye and I knew you actually shot it down. Colin, though, I think you could have done a better job with the WTC. You only killed a couple thousand people. We need to drop another building. Any ideas?" And the rest is history. ;)

its just a conspiracy, tahts all it is.

Looks like the page has been updated, with Google Video hosting all three big parts. I love his list of sources and photos too.

No. People are bashing Bush because he's stupid and teh worst president we've ever had. Makes you long for the days of Richard Nixon.


wow because hes stupid have you ever been to texas every one there has an accent its just stuck up people like you who think hes stupid for prononcing things different its Really dumb. He teh worst president ever? really come on now thats just unitelligent.

wow because hes stupid have you ever been to texas every one there has an accent its just stuck up people like you who think hes stupid for prononcing things different its Really dumb. He teh worst president ever? really come on now thats just unitelligent.

bush is well on his way to being the worst president ever. the only reason it cant be said for sure is because he isnt done yet. he has more than 2 years to go. he might do something right in that time.

wow because hes stupid have you ever been to texas every one there has an accent its just stuck up people like you who think hes stupid for prononcing things different its Really dumb. He teh worst president ever? really come on now thats just unitelligent.


The reason he's the stupidest president in history has nothing to do with his accent, though it certainly has to do with the incredibly stupid things he says. But the real reason he's the stupidest president in history is because of the damage he has caused our country by the sheer ineptitude he displays in just about every undertaking he does including fighting wars, appointing people, choosing who his advisors are and talking. He can't even do that right. He was a failure in the private sector and he will go down as a failure as a president. A tragic failure, in fact. I was going to type an essay about how bad he is, but I'll just quote Doug McIntyre because he said everything I would say.
There’s nothing harder in public life than admitting you’re wrong. By the way, admitting you’re wrong can be even tougher in private life. If you don’t believe me, just ask Bill Clinton or Charlie Sheen. But when you go out on the limb in public, it’s out there where everyone can see it, or in my case, hear it.



So, I’m saying today, I was wrong to have voted for George W. Bush. In historic terms, I believe George W. Bush is the worst two-term President in the history of the country. Worse than Grant. I also believe a case can be made that he’s the worst President, period.



In 2000, I was a McCain guy. I wasn’t sure about the Texas Governor. He had name recognition and a lot of money behind him, but other than that? What? Still, I was sick of all the Clinton shenanigans and the thought of President Gore was… unthinkable. So, GWB became my guy.



For the first few months he was just flubbing along like most new Presidents, no great shakes, but no disasters either. He cut taxes and I like tax cuts.



Then September 11th happened. September 11th changed everything for me, like it did for so many of you. After September 11th, all the intramural idiocy of American politics stopped being funny. We had been attacked by a vicious and determined enemy and it was time for all of us to row in the same direction.



And we did for the blink of an eye. I believed the President when he said we were going to hunt down Bin Laden and all those responsible for the 9-11 murders. I believed President Bush when he said we would go after the terrorists and the nations that harbored them.













I supported the President when he sent our troops into Afghanistan, after all, that’s where the Taliban was, that’s where al-Qaida trained the killers, that’s where Bin Laden was.



And I cheered when we quickly toppled the Taliban government, but winced when we let Bin Laden escape from Tora-Bora.



Then, the talk turned to Iraq and I winced again.



I thought the connection to 9-11 was sketchy at best. But Colin Powell impressed me at the UN, and Tony Blair was in, and after all, he was a Clinton guy, not a Bush guy, so I thought the case had to be strong. I was worried though, because I had read the Wolfowitz paper, “The Project for the New American Century.” It’s been around since ‘92, and it raised alarm bells because it was based on a theory, “Democratizing the Middle East” and I prefer pragmatism over theory. I was worried because Iraq was being justified on a radical new basis, “pre-emptive war.” Any time we do something without historical precedent I get nervous.



But the President shifted the argument to WMDs and the urgent threat of Iraq getting atomic weapons. The debate turned to Saddam passing nukes on to terror groups. After 9-11, the risk was too great. As the President said, “The next smoking gun might be a mushroom cloud.” At least that’s what I thought at the time.



I grew up in New York and watched them build the World Trade Center. I worked with a guy, Frank O’Brien, who put the elevators in both towers. I lost a very close friend on September 11th. 103 floor, tower one, Cantor Fitzgerald. Tim Coughlin was his name. If we had to take out Iraq to make sure something like that, or worse, never happened again, so be it. I knew the consequences. We have a soldier in our house. None of this was theoretical in my house.



But in the months and years since shock and awe I have been shocked repeatedly by a consistent litany of excuses, alibis, double-talk, inaccuracies, bogus predictions, and flat out lies. I have watched as the President and his administration changed the goals, redefined the reasons for going into Iraq, and fumbled the good will of the world and the focus necessary to catch the real killers of September 11th.



I have watched the President say the commanders on the ground will make the battlefield decisions, and the war won’t be run from Washington. Yet, politics has consistently determined what the troops can and can’t do on the ground and any commander who did not go along with the administration was sacked, and in some cases, maligned.



I watched and tried to justify the looting in Iraq after the fall of Saddam. I watched and tried to justify the dismantling of the entire Iraqi army. I tired to explain the complexities of building a functional new Iraqi army. I urged patience when no WMDs were found. Then the Vice President told us we were in the “waning days of the insurgency.” And I started wincing again. The President says we have to stay the course but what if it’s the wrong course?



It was the wrong course. All of it was wrong. We are not on the road to victory. We’re about to slink home with our tail between our legs, leaving civil war in Iraq and a nuclear armed Iran in our wake. Bali was bombed. Madrid was bombed. London was bombed. And Bin Laden is still making tapes. It’s unspeakable. The liberal media didn’t create this reality, bad policy did.



Most historians believe it takes 30-50 years before we get a reasonably accurate take on a President’s place in history. So, maybe 50 years from now Iraq will be a peaceful member of the brotherhood of nations and George W. Bush will be celebrated as a visionary genius.



But we don’t live fifty years in the future. We live now. We have to make public policy decisions now. We have to live with the consequences of the votes we cast and the leaders we chose now.



After five years of carefully watching George W. Bush I’ve reached the conclusion he’s either grossly incompetent, or a hand puppet for a gaggle of detached theorists with their own private view of how the world works. Or both.



Presidential failures. James Buchanan, Franklin Pierce, Jimmy Carter, Warren Harding-— the competition is fierce for the worst of the worst. Still, the damage this President has done is enormous. It will take decades to undo, and that’s assuming we do everything right from now on. His mistakes have global implications, while the other failed Presidents mostly authored domestic embarrassments.



And speaking of domestic embarrassments, let’s talk for a minute about President Bush’s domestic record. Yes, he cut taxes. But tax cuts combined with reckless spending and borrowing is criminal mismanagement of the public’s money. We’re drunk at the mall with our great grandchildren’s credit cards. Whatever happened to the party of fiscal responsibility?



Bush created a giant new entitlement, the prescription drug plan. He lied to his own party to get it passed. He lied to the country about its true cost. It was written by and for the pharmaceutical industry. It helps nobody except the multinationals that lobbied for it. So much for smaller government. In fact, virtually every tentacle of government has grown exponentially under Bush. Unless, of course, it was an agency to look after the public interest, or environmental protection, and/or worker’s rights.



I’ve talked so often about the border issue, I won’t bore you with a rehash. It’s enough to say this President has been a catastrophe for the wages of working people; he’s debased the work ethic itself. “Jobs Americans won’t do!” He doesn’t believe in the sovereign borders of the country he’s sworn to protect and defend. And his devotion to cheap labor for his corporate benefactors, along with his worship of multinational trade deals, makes an utter mockery of homeland security in a post 9-11 world. The President’s January 7th, 2004 speech on immigration, his first trial balloon on his guest worker scheme, was a deal breaker for me. I couldn’t and didn’t vote for him in 2004. And I’m glad I didn’t.



Katrina, Harriet Myers, The Dubai Port Deal, skyrocketing gas prices, shrinking wages for working people, staggering debt, astronomical foreign debt, outsourcing, open borders, contempt for the opinion of the American people, the war on science, media manipulation, faith based initives, a cavalier attitude toward fundamental freedoms-- this President has run the most arrogant and out-of-touch administration in my lifetime, perhaps, in any American’s lifetime.



You can make a case that Abraham Lincoln did what he had to do, the public be damned. If you roll the dice on your gut and you’re right, history remembers you well. But, when your gut led you from one business failure to another, when your gut told you to trade Sammy Sosa to the White Sox, and you use the same gut to send our sons and daughters to fight and die in a distraction from the real war on terror, then history will and should be unapologetic in its condemnation.



None of this, by the way, should be interpreted as an endorsement of the opposition party. The Democrats are equally bankrupt. This is the second crime of our age. Again, historically speaking, its times like these when America needs a vibrant opposition to check the power of a run-amuck majority party. It requires it. It doesn’t work without one. Like the high and low tides keep the oceans alive, a healthy, positive opposition offers a path back to the center where all healthy societies live.



Tragically, the Democrats have allowed crackpots, leftists and demagogic cowards to snipe from the sidelines while taking no responsibility for anything. In fairness, I don’t believe a Democrat president would have gone into Iraq. Unfortunately, I don’t know if President Gore would have gone into Afghanistan. And that’s one of the many problems with the Democrats.



The two party system has always been clumsy and imperfect, but it has only collapsed once, in the 1850s, and the result was civil war.



I believe, as I have said countless times, the two party system is on the brink of a second collapse. It’s currently running on spin, anger, revenge, and pots and pots and pots of money.



We’re being governed by paper-mache patriots; brightly painted red, white and blue, but hollow to the core. Both parties have mastered the cynical arts of media manipulation and fund raising. They’ve learned the lessons of Watergate and burn the tapes. They have learned to divide the nation for their own gain. They have demonstrated the willingness to exploit any tragedy for personal advantage. The contempt they have for the American people is without parallel.



This is painful to say, and I’m sure for many of you, painful to read. But it’s impossible to heal the country until we’re willing to acknowledge the truth no matter how painful. We have to wean ourselves off sugar coated partisan lies.



With a belated tip of the cap to Ralph Nader, the system is broken, so broken, it’s almost inevitable it pukes up the Al Gores and George W. Bushes. Where are the Trumans and the Eisenhowers? Where are the men and women of vision and accomplishment? Why do we have to settle for recycled hacks and malleable ciphers? Greatness is always rare, but is basic competence and simple honesty too much to ask?



It may be decades before we have the full picture of how paranoid and contemptuous this administration has been. And I am open to the possibility that I’m all wet about everything I’ve just said. But I’m putting it out there, because I have to call it as I see it, and this is how I see it today. I don’t say any of this lightly. I’ve thought about this for months and months. But eventually, the weight of evidence takes on a gravitational force of its own.



I believe that George W. Bush has taken us down a terrible road. I don’t believe the Democrats are offering an alternative. That means we’re on our own to save this magnificent country. The United States of America is a gift to the world, but it has been badly abused and it’s rightful owners, We the People, had better step up to the plate and reclaim it before the damage becomes irreparable.



So, accept my apology for allowing partisanship to blind me to an obvious truth; our President is incapable of the tasks he is charged with. I almost feel sorry for him. He is clearly in over his head. Yet, he doesn’t generate the sympathy Warren Harding earned. Harding, a spectacular mediocrity, had the self-knowledge to tell any and all he shouldn’t be President. George W. Bush continues to act the part, but at this point whose buying the act?



Does this make me a waffler? A flip-flopper? Maybe, although I prefer to call it realism. And, for those of you who never supported Bush, its also fair to accuse me of kicking Bush while he’s down. After all, you were kicking him while he was up.



You were right, I was wrong.

Finally some one to silence those stupid retards "Everything is a government plot" For Gods sakes can we not have catastrophy with out some jackass claiming the government did it thank you to who ever made"screw loose change" For silencing some stupid 20 year old jackass and his weak remarks Thank you
My weak remarks didn't Bush and his cronies already lie to the American people about WMD's in Iraq just so they could go to war for there own personal reasons. Now if u don't think 9/11 was the doorway for them to start their conquest of the middle east well then your just as stupid as u sound. Maybe after they invade a couple more Muslim countries you'll see it yourself . Iran will be next then probably Syria all because Bush is going after the "terrorists" not they oil , please don't be so nieve. They needed 9/11 to start this conquest do really think the American people would have accepted the Iraq war before 9/11 and the "threat" from the terrorists. Maybe after u guys go to war with Iran and lose a couple mor thousand troops you'll start seeing the light.
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bush is well on his way to being the worst president ever. the only reason it cant be said for sure is because he isnt done yet. he has more than 2 years to go. he might do something right in that time.
Really Mike if u don't think bush is the worst prez in history u really r just a stupid as he is.

What happened is that they decided the north and south towers weren't enough. They said, "Hey, Rummy. You did a real good job on the Pentagon. That missile was right on target. And Dick, great job with the Penn crash. If we're gonna fool the American people into going to war, we need some heroes and that crash brought a tear even to my eye and I knew you actually shot it down. Colin, though, I think you could have done a better job with the WTC. You only killed a couple thousand people. We need to drop another building. Any ideas?" And the rest is history. ;)yoy said it

I almost am starting to see these things as being like the old "Why James T. Kirk is better than Jean-Luc Picard" or "Inconsistencies in Star Wars" posts.

It's all very tiresome.

My weak remarks didn't Bush and his cronies already lie to the American people about WMD's in Iraq just so they could go to war for there own personal reasons. Now if u don't think 9/11 was the doorway for them to start their conquest of the middle east well then your just as stupid as u sound. Maybe after they invade a couple more Muslim countries you'll see it yourself . Iran will be next then probably Syria all because Bush is going after the "terrorists" not they oil , please don't be so nieve. They needed 9/11 to start this conquest do really think the American people would have accepted the Iraq war before 9/11 and the "threat" from the terrorists. Maybe after u guys go to war with Iran and lose a couple mor thousand troops you'll start seeing the light.
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If 9/11 was a coverup and a pretext to invade Iraq, why did they use Saudis as 'scapegoats' instead of 15 or 20 iraqis?

The video mentions this.

If 9/11 was a coverup and a pretext to invade Iraq, why did they use Saudis as 'scapegoats' instead of 15 or 20 iraqis?

The video mentions this.
so true. why pick an organization that is known to be unfriendly with saddam hussein?

besides, bush has only been president for 9 months. unless he had planned to do this way before being elected, he didnt have time to get all the details and manpower in place. after all, its not just the plan, it removing all those who would not go along with it (in a way that doesnt arouse their suspicions) and putting in those who are so solidly behind it that they will never crack under the pressure of years worth of nightmares.

or it would have to be a long term illuminati plan (with both bush and clinton being members) that spanned a democratic administration into a republican one.

besides, bush has only been president for 9 months. unless he had planned to do this way before being elected

Actually, any true Conspiracy Theorist knows it began with Prescott Bush and his open hatred for Jews.

How dare they slander the good name of our noble president. George W Bush has fought the evil terrorists every step of the way. America saved the world once again under his reign, spreading freedom and jesus everywhere!

How dare they slander the good name of our noble president. George W Bush has fought the evil terrorists every step of the way. America saved the world once again under his reign, spreading freedom and jesus everywhere!

God I hope this was scarcasm.

God I hope this was scarcasm.

Well...He is from Oregon...

How dare they slander the good name of our noble president. George W Bush has fought the evil terrorists every step of the way. America saved the world once again under his reign, spreading freedom and jesus everywhere!G.W is a evil terrorist, his whole family is evil his grandfather financed the Nazis for christ sake.

If 9/11 was a coverup and a pretext to invade Iraq, why did they use Saudis as 'scapegoats' instead of 15 or 20 iraqis?

The video mentions this.
It didn't matter what country they were from as long as they were Muslims,almost every Muslim country has extremists. Now they can point a finger at any Muslim country and say there's Islamic extremists there and invade, ya know tell the American people that they have WMD's.

It didn't matter what country they were from as long as they were Muslims,almost every Muslim country has extremists. Now they can point a finger at any Muslim country and say there's Islamic extremists there and invade, ya know tell the American people that they have WMD's.

That doesn't really answer my question...

Why Saudis instead of Iraqis?

Well...He is from Oregon...
You'll find we are all happy Jesus-loving folk here in Oregon! We drive SUVs to work every day, as per our patriotic duty!

That doesn't really answer my question...

Why Saudis instead of Iraqis?
Who cares it doesn't matter they still ended up in Iraq didn't they.

Who cares it doesn't matter they still ended up in Iraq didn't they.

And...?

You need to make a fucking point here son.

Anyone else intensely irritated by "Loose change's" self-righteous, sanctimonious voice?
I just want to throttle the smug little shit.

Pretty good anti-vids, though let themselves down a little with the unnecessary attacks. Takes away from the good counters they make.

Sad that someone needed to make them, though.

I think the attacks were needed. The guys at Loose Change made over 1 million dollars on the film by lying and mocking the tradegy of 9/11

They also use really awful music.

Everyone rushes to disprove a conspiracy thoery...I love it.

Bush didnt plan 9/11.

He did however, allow it to happen.

He had an agenda, and this was as Fass has pointed out, the most conveinent thing that could happen to him.

Thats the only conspiracy.