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A US military PR exercise or an admission the troops are out of control?

The SR
01-06-2006, 20:41
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5036686.stm

a pr stunt or an admission discipline is failing?

discuss:
Kryozerkia
01-06-2006, 22:34
Well, when they're initially trained, they don't get the cultural sensitivity training needed for all situations, and hence, they need a form of ethics training that addresses this shortcoming. Yes, there are always those out of control, but, it doesn't hurt for all to be exposed to the fundamentals time and again.
Sel Appa
01-06-2006, 22:49
mini My Lai?
Deep Kimchi
02-06-2006, 00:29
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5036686.stm

a pr stunt or an admission discipline is failing?

discuss:

Atrocities are committed by nearly every army in every conflict, to one degree or another. My source is John Keegan's book, "The Face Of War".

It isn't a matter of discipline failing.

It is largely a psychological effect - soldiers bond closer together, especially when confronted with daily random attacks where the perpetrators cannot be found, combined with the deep isolation they feel when they hear the news that civilians at home think that being a soldier and being in Iraq is a mistake.

In isolation, these things WILL happen.

John Keegan has an insightful explanation of how atrocities happen and why - and I would encourage you to read the book.
Skinny87
02-06-2006, 00:37
Atrocities are committed by nearly every army in every conflict, to one degree or another. My source is John Keegan's book, "The Face Of War".

It isn't a matter of discipline failing.

It is largely a psychological effect - soldiers bond closer together, especially when confronted with daily random attacks where the perpetrators cannot be found, combined with the deep isolation they feel when they hear the news that civilians at home think that being a soldier and being in Iraq is a mistake.

In isolation, these things WILL happen.

John Keegan has an insightful explanation of how atrocities happen and why - and I would encourage you to read the book.

I keep meaning to get Face Of War. Then I find a half-dozen other books I want to read even more, and it gets forgotten.
The SR
02-06-2006, 01:37
Well, when they're initially trained, they don't get the cultural sensitivity training needed for all situations, and hence, they need a form of ethics training that addresses this shortcoming. Yes, there are always those out of control, but, it doesn't hurt for all to be exposed to the fundamentals time and again.

as may be, but why have the us military announced this course? its far from normal practice to tell the worlds media what the us military are doing behind barrack walls in this manner?

the obvious answer is the report into Haditha will be as bad as Mai Lai. It was reported in the Irish press today that the medical examiner had directly confronted the marines over their roadside bomb theory, all 24 bodies found died of point blank 5.56 shots. the spin begins
The SR
02-06-2006, 16:12
its really starting to come unstuck for the neo-cons now

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5040258.stm
Xandabia
02-06-2006, 16:27
Don't they train these guys in ethics before they give them guns?