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Whiteman and Southern Affairs: Notice to all persons of non-native ancestry

Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 19:09
Please be advised that at the end of 2006, your 500 year lease to live in North America expires. Please note your damage deposit will not be returned. You should make arrangements to leave the continent before the date of expiration on the lease.

All persons of Non-Native ancestry wishing to remain on the continent shall be required to apply to the Ministry of First Nations Employment & Immigration Commission for information on applying for citizenship. Non-Indigenous spouses of First Nations are exempt from this notice. Failure to apply to the appropriate ministry for citizenship or landed immigrant status will result in expulsion from the continent.

Those persons of Non-Native Status will be subject to the provisions contained in the legislation entitled "The Whiteman’s Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Act\)." This act will be administered by the Department of Whiteman & Southern Affairs (http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/index_e.html).

Also be advised that CBC’S Program "Hockey Night in Canada" shall be permanently replaced by "Bonanza Bingo Night in Canada" to be shown Monday nights at 7:00 p.m., 7:30 Innu (http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/northamerica/innu.html) time.

Please be advised of important previsions within the Whiteman Act:

1. All persons of Non-Native ancestry shall be registered on the Whiteman List and shall be given a Whiteman’s card (http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/gol-ged/faq_e.html) for the purpose of so stating.
2. A Whiteman within the meaning of this act shall not be obligated to pay provincial sales tax, but shall be subject to the Indian Sales Tax, since the Goods & Services Tax shall be repealed forthwith. Notwithstanding this clause, if a registered Whiteman receives goods or services on land set aside for him (http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/aboriginals/menu-e.html), he shall be so exempt.
3. A Whiteman within the meaning of this act shall be entitled to the sum of five beads per annum (http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/pr/pub/ywtk/sgp17_e.html).

Any questions arising from this notice may be directed to: The Honorable Chief "Wins at Bingo all the Time" (District Chief Whiteman & Southern Affairs).
Francis Street
01-06-2006, 19:11
What about black people?
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 19:12
What about black people?
Only whites will receive 'reserved' lands within the territories. All others will simply be classed as 'immigrants'.;)
Kecibukia
01-06-2006, 19:14
Please be advised that at the end of 2006, your 500 year lease to live in North America expires. Please note your damage deposit will not be returned. You should make arrangements to leave the continent before the date of expiration on the lease.



Please, like we bother paying attention to treaties w/ the red skinned heathens.:rolleyes:


:p
Vetalia
01-06-2006, 19:19
Hey, according to Stormfront Native Americans are not "natives"...they are "Siberian Americans", so you have to leave as well!:p

While we're at it, I'm going to draft a conspiracy theory that says the Anglo-Saxons were the true Native Americans....I've got nothing else to do.
Skaladora
01-06-2006, 19:20
Only whites will receive 'reserved' lands within the territories. All others will simply be classed as 'immigrants'.;)
Well, looks like it's time for me to convert to native culture.

On the plus side, I'll get to be a bi-spirited person, or whatchamacallit gay people are. I don't really mind cooking the food and taking care of the children if it nets me a nice, fit and handsome hunter as a husband.

*goes out and starts killing bisons for the hides to make his teepee*
Drunk commies deleted
01-06-2006, 19:21
Please be advised that at the end of 2006, your 500 year lease to live in North America expires. Please note your damage deposit will not be returned. You should make arrangements to leave the continent before the date of expiration on the lease.

All persons of Non-Native ancestry wishing to remain on the continent shall be required to apply to the Ministry of First Nations Employment & Immigration Commission for information on applying for citizenship. Non-Indigenous spouses of First Nations are exempt from this notice. Failure to apply to the appropriate ministry for citizenship or landed immigrant status will result in expulsion from the continent.

Those persons of Non-Native Status will be subject to the provisions contained in the legislation entitled "The Whiteman’s Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Act\)." This act will be administered by the Department of Whiteman & Southern Affairs (http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/index_e.html).

Also be advised that CBC’S Program "Hockey Night in Canada" shall be permanently replaced by "Bonanza Bingo Night in Canada" to be shown Monday nights at 7:00 p.m., 7:30 Innu (http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/northamerica/innu.html) time.

Please be advised of important previsions within the Whiteman Act:

1. All persons of Non-Native ancestry shall be registered on the Whiteman List and shall be given a Whiteman’s card (http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/gol-ged/faq_e.html) for the purpose of so stating.
2. A Whiteman within the meaning of this act shall not be obligated to pay provincial sales tax, but shall be subject to the Indian Sales Tax, since the Goods & Services Tax shall be repealed forthwith. Notwithstanding this clause, if a registered Whiteman receives goods or services on land set aside for him (http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/aboriginals/menu-e.html), he shall be so exempt.
3. A Whiteman within the meaning of this act shall be entitled to the sum of five beads per annum (http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/pr/pub/ywtk/sgp17_e.html).

Any questions arising from this notice may be directed to: The Honorable Chief "Wins at Bingo all the Time" (District Chief Whiteman & Southern Affairs).
If I apply for and win legal immigrant status can I open a casino?
Ashmoria
01-06-2006, 19:38
can i stay if i discover that one of my great great great great grandmothers was a cherokee princess?
Not bad
01-06-2006, 20:02
Hey, according to Stormfront Native Americans are not "natives"...they are "Siberian Americans", so you have to leave as well!:p

While we're at it, I'm going to draft a conspiracy theory that says the Anglo-Saxons were the true Native Americans....I've got nothing else to do.


Early American Immigrants.
Wallonochia
01-06-2006, 20:28
I'm 1/8th(ish) Ojibwe, so what do I do? Should I just cut my leg off at the knee and leave that?
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 20:29
Hey, according to Stormfront Native Americans are not "natives"...they are "Siberian Americans", so you have to leave as well!:p They've got it wrong. We actually colonised Asia.
Vetalia
01-06-2006, 20:30
They've got it wrong. We actually colonised Asia.

In collaboration with the Jews and mud peoples...I knew it!
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 20:32
Well, looks like it's time for me to convert to native culture. Sorry, you don't get to 'convert'. You must have band membership, and unless we adopt you, or were married to one of us previous to the end of the lease period, you must apply for immigration like everyone else:)

On the plus side, I'll get to be a bi-spirited person, or whatchamacallit gay people are. Two-spirited. I don't really mind cooking the food and taking care of the children if it nets me a nice, fit and handsome hunter as a husband. Tell me about it!

*goes out and starts killing bisons for the hides to make his teepee* You live on the plains? We'll be carefully restocking the bison herds, so hunting will be strictly controlled until population levels are once again at sustainable levels.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 20:33
If I apply for and win legal immigrant status can I open a casino?
This is entirely possible if you elect to live on 'reserved Whiteman' lands. We will then go from accusing you of being welfare bums, to being gambling addicts and criminals.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 20:34
can i stay if i discover that one of my great great great great grandmothers was a cherokee princess?
There is only one band of Cherokee that accept a very minute blood quantum. You may certainly apply to them. Other band memberships will be determined by the bands themselves, and may, or may not rely on blood quantum. You may in fact have to have one parent who is a band member, or both parents as band members, depending on the band. Others may accept you if you intermarry.
Refused Party Program
01-06-2006, 20:35
Sorry, you don't get to 'convert'. You must have band membership, and unless we adopt you, or were married to one of us previous to the end of the lease period, you must apply for immigration like everyone else.

After the lease expires, will I receive automatic citizenship upon marriage to a native person?
Soheran
01-06-2006, 20:35
I'm a black white Native American Ashkenazic Jew.

What do I do?
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 20:36
I'm 1/8th(ish) Ojibwe, so what do I do? Should I just cut my leg off at the knee and leave that?
Contact the Ojibwe band you are historically linked with. According to their membership criteria, you may be ineligible or eligible for status.
Not bad
01-06-2006, 20:36
What about black people?

Chief Joseph said "I will fight no Moors forever."


So blacks are cool in the grand scheme.
Except in Utah
Not bad
01-06-2006, 20:37
I'm a black white Native American Ashkenazic Jew.

What do I do?


Talk to a Rabbi a Priest and a medicine man.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 20:37
After the lease expires, will I receive automatic citizenship upon marriage to a native person?
No, this will only happen if you marry a native person before the lease expires. However, keep in mind that once the lease expires, bands will each have their own membership criteria. While you will not be expelled from our lands if you are denied band membership, you will be relocated to reserved Whiteman lands. You will not, however, have to apply for citizenship. You will be afforded permanent second-class citizenship.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 20:38
I'm a black white Native American Ashkenazic Jew.

What do I do?
Again, apply to the band which whom you share a historical connection, for membership criteria.
Kecibukia
01-06-2006, 20:40
The native tribes in Illinois are extinct. How does that work out?
Canadian Breakdancers
01-06-2006, 20:40
Go Oilers...oh yeh, and good joke, "lease is up" that's very humourous!
Refused Party Program
01-06-2006, 20:40
No, this will only happen if you marry a native person before the lease expires. However, keep in mind that once the lease expires, bands will each have their own membership criteria. While you will not be expelled from our lands if you are denied band membership, you will be relocated to reserved Whiteman lands. You will not, however, have to apply for citizenship. You will be afforded permanent second-class citizenship.

I'm not White...nor Black...I still have to relocate to the [Walt] Whitman lands?

YAWP! I say, YAWP!
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 20:43
The native tribes in Illinois are extinct. How does that work out?
In many cases, bands share territories, or their territories overlap. If there is a case where a certain band no longer exists, the First Nations shall gather to determine which bands will share in the open territories. As well, new reserved Whiteman lands may be created out of open territories. We will of course reserve all surface and subsurface rights on reserved land, as well as reserving the right to expropriate any reserved lands without payment at any time, for any reason.
Drunk commies deleted
01-06-2006, 20:43
This is entirely possible if you elect to live on 'reserved Whiteman' lands. We will then go from accusing you of being welfare bums, to being gambling addicts and criminals.
That's cool. I don't mind being called a criminal.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 20:44
Go Oilers...oh yeh, and good joke, "lease is up" that's very humourous!
I think the "Whiteman and Southern Affairs" is funnier:)...it sounds so wrong, but "Indian and Northern Affairs" somehow doesn't?
Kecibukia
01-06-2006, 20:44
In many cases, bands share territories, or their territories overlap. If there is a case where a certain band no longer exists, the First Nations shall gather to determine which bands will share in the open territories. As well, new reserved Whiteman lands may be created out of open territories. We will of course reserve all surface and subsurface rights on reserved land, as well as reserving the right to expropriate any reserved lands without payment at any time, for any reason.

Will you be handing out blankets as well?
Not bad
01-06-2006, 20:44
No, this will only happen if you marry a native person before the lease expires. However, keep in mind that once the lease expires, bands will each have their own membership criteria. While you will not be expelled from our lands if you are denied band membership, you will be relocated to reserved Whiteman lands. You will not, however, have to apply for citizenship. You will be afforded permanent second-class citizenship.


If I marry a native american after the lease expires will she then become a second class citizen too? I have no band tribe or race to my knowlege so I am already second class wherever I exist. I fear for her however.
The Black Forrest
01-06-2006, 20:44
So how do we define a native?

Hominds are not a native species to this land.
Willamena
01-06-2006, 20:45
Awesome! I'd love to move to Australia, anyway, and this gives me good reason.

Also be advised that CBC’S Program "Hockey Night in Canada" shall be permanently replaced by "Bonanza Bingo Night in Canada" to be shown Monday nights at 7:00 p.m., 7:30 Innu time.
rotfl!

Well, looks like it's time for me to convert to native culture.
ouch! now I'm busting a gut.
Vetalia
01-06-2006, 20:46
Hominds are not a native species to this land.

I think we're only native to parts of Africa and Asia; everywhere else we migrated to at some point in history.
PsychoticDan
01-06-2006, 20:48
What if my wife has an anchor baby? :confused:
Refused Party Program
01-06-2006, 20:50
What if my wife has an anchor baby? :confused:

An anchor baby? Look, dude, I don't know what your child looks like but I'm sure it's not that ugly. :D
Soheran
01-06-2006, 20:50
Again, apply to the band which whom you share a historical connection, for membership criteria.

That would be Cherokee, so your advice to Ashmoria applies here, I suppose.

Talk to a Rabbi a Priest and a medicine man.

But I'm a heretic; I'll annoy them, they'll annoy me, and nothing productive will be accomplished.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 20:53
I'm not White...nor Black...I still have to relocate to the [Walt] Whitman lands?

YAWP! I say, YAWP!
We may consider, especially in the lands formerly known as belonging to the USA, creating reserved lands for blacks and asians who can show a historical connection to the slaves and labourers of two to five hundred years ago. Of course, said blacks and asians must have fit the guidelines of 'status Blacks and Asians (http://www.abo-peoples.org/programs/dnlsc-31.html)'.

The guidelines (http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/pr/ra/execs/rece-3_e.html) are as following:

If a person has both parents that are 6(1) (full status) black or asian, that person will also be a 6(1).

If that person marries a non-black or asian, their children will be classed as 6(2).

If a 6(2) marries a non-black or asian, their children will not have status.

Two 6(2) marrying will result in children with 6(1) status.
Not bad
01-06-2006, 20:53
But I'm a heretic; I'll annoy them, they'll annoy me, and nothing productive will be accomplished.

No such thing as a heretic to a good medicine man. Give it a whirl.
PsychoticDan
01-06-2006, 20:54
An anchor baby? Look, dude, I don't know what your child looks like but I'm sure it's not that ugly. :D
http://www.thespoof.com/picstore/people/resize_758532_ugly%20baby.jpg
:(
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 20:56
If I marry a native american after the lease expires will she then become a second class citizen too? I have no band tribe or race to my knowlege so I am already second class wherever I exist. I fear for her however.
While she would not lose her band membership, your children well might. That will be up to individual bands.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 20:56
So how do we define a native? You don't. We do. Just as we shall define 'Whiteman', and you shall have no say in that definition.
Vetalia
01-06-2006, 20:57
http://www.thespoof.com/picstore/people/resize_758532_ugly%20baby.jpg
:(

:eek: ...:(

Wow, life can really be a bitch sometimes.
Refused Party Program
01-06-2006, 20:57
We may consider, especially in the lands formerly known as belonging to the USA, creating reserved lands for blacks and asians who can show a historical connection to the slaves and labourers of two to five hundred years ago. Of course, said blacks and asians must have fit the guidelines of 'status Blacks and Asians (http://www.abo-peoples.org/programs/dnlsc-31.html)'.

Do I get face points for being able to trace my family back to Ghengis Khan?
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 20:58
Do I get face points for being able to trace my family back to Ghengis Khan?
No.
Refused Party Program
01-06-2006, 20:59
No.

Or at least a medal or something?? No?

I'll settle for cookies?
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:00
Or at least a medal or something?? No?

I'll settle for cookies?
Apply to our Ministry of First Nations Employment & Immigration Commission for citizenship. The upside to this is that you'll actually be treated better than the status Whitemen, Blacks and Asians who will reside on reserved lands.
Refused Party Program
01-06-2006, 21:03
Apply to our Ministry of First Nations Employment & Immigration Commission for citizenship. The upside to this is that you'll actually be treated better than the status Whitemen, Blacks and Asians who will reside on reserved lands.

This is shameless favouritism on your part, Sinuhue. That said, I'm not looking a gift whore in the mouth.

*grins at the status Walt Whitmen*
Ashmoria
01-06-2006, 21:04
There is only one band of Cherokee that accept a very minute blood quantum. You may certainly apply to them. Other band memberships will be determined by the bands themselves, and may, or may not rely on blood quantum. You may in fact have to have one parent who is a band member, or both parents as band members, depending on the band. Others may accept you if you intermarry.
hmmmmm

is your brother available?
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:04
Awesome! I'd love to move to Australia, anyway, and this gives me good reason. Please be advised the the Aboriginee Nations of Australia, Tasmania and the Torres Strait (hereto referred to as the Sovereign Aboriginee Nations of Turtle Island) also have decline to renew their lease and will be enacting similar measures. Various other First Nations througout the rest of the Americas, parts of Japan, the Phillipines, Indonesia, (including all of Papau New Guinea), etc, will be soon to follow.
Not bad
01-06-2006, 21:06
All this needs to get off the ground is enough well meaning liberals to take it seriously and whine a blue streak until it becomes policy. Count me in. I want me rez and I want it NOW!
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:07
hmmmmm

is your brother available?
I am sure that aboriginal spouses may be obtained prior to the expiration of the lease, for a reasonable amount of financial compensation.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:08
All this needs to get off the ground is enough well meaning liberals to take it seriously and whine a blue streak until it becomes policy. Count me in. I want me rez and I want it NOW!
Be careful what you wish for (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_reservation).
Not bad
01-06-2006, 21:09
I for one welcome my new aboriginal overlords.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:10
I for one welcome my new aboriginal overlords.
You will therefore likely be assigned to a leadership position within a reservation council, which will allow you to siphon funds away from your people and into your own pockets, without actually turning any real power over to you, or the other Whitemen.
Not bad
01-06-2006, 21:11
Be careful what you wish for (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_reservation).

I wish I could make a decent blue corn navajo taco.
Not bad
01-06-2006, 21:12
You will therefore likely be assigned to a leadership position within a reservation council, which will allow you to siphon funds away from your people and into your own pockets, without actually turning any real power over to you, or the other Whitemen.

I want no power and quit calling me Whiteman until youve studied and classified me please. I merely want to be left alone on my rez.
Refused Party Program
01-06-2006, 21:13
I'm going to marry me some native chicks and have a ton of babies. :cool:
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:13
I wish I could make a decent blue corn navajo taco.
You shall not be allowed this information freely, as it will be protected under intellectual property laws (http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/pr/ra/intpro/intpro_e.html).
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:14
I want no power and quit calling me Whiteman until youve studied and classified me please. I merely want to be left alone on my rez.
If you are not a status 6(1) or 6(2) Whiteman, Black or Asian, you will be forcibly removed from any reserved lands.
Not bad
01-06-2006, 21:16
You shall not be allowed this information freely, as it will be protected under intellectual property laws (http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/pr/ra/intpro/intpro_e.html).

I can already make poor substitutes, perhaps with practice I can come by the information honestly and without aid.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:16
As well, non-natives will not be enfranchised until one hundred years hence. Status Whitemen, Blacks, or Asians can choose to become enfranchised if they give up their status for themselves, and all their heirs. Status Whitemen, Blacks and Asians will automatically lose status if they join the armed forces, become a priest, get a post-secondary education, or in the case of status whiteman, black or asian women, if they marry a non-status whiteman, black or asian.
Ashmoria
01-06-2006, 21:16
I am sure that aboriginal spouses may be obtained prior to the expiration of the lease, for a reasonable amount of financial compensation.
ill take that under advisement

but here is my real case....

i have good reason to believe that the landowners of the land i am currently living on, i.e. those who lived here at the time of the spanish conquest of new mexico, voluntarily abandoned this land and that the span of time that has passed (300+ years) since this abandonment is long enough to invalidate their claim to ownership of this land (if they would even be bothered to press such a claim). i feel that this should allow a new claimant to the land--lets call it the county of socorro--band status within the confederation covered by the original lease.

where can i file my claim?
Not bad
01-06-2006, 21:17
If you are not a status 6(1) or 6(2) Whiteman, Black or Asian, you will be forcibly removed from any reserved lands.

Where will I be removed to?
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:17
I can already make poor substitutes, perhaps with practice I can come by the information honestly and without aid.
If said recipie is protected under intellectual property laws, you will nonetheless be charged with stealing intellectual property, regardless of how you come about the knowledge.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:19
ill take that under advisement

but here is my real case....

i have good reason to believe that the landowners of the land i am currently living on, i.e. those who lived here at the time of the spanish conquest of new mexico, voluntarily abandoned this land and that the span of time that has passed (300+ years) since this abandonment is long enough to invalidate their claim to ownership of this land (if they would even be bothered to press such a claim). i feel that this should allow a new claimant to the land--lets call it the county of socorro--band status within the confederation covered by the original lease.

where can i file my claim?
File it with our Department of Whiteman and Southern Affairs. Wait half a century. Refile the claim after discovering the original claim was 'lost'. Wait another half century. Take your claim to the United Nations Human Rights Commission, and wait for them to rule in your favour. Bring the ruling back to the DWSA and listen to us laugh at it.
Not bad
01-06-2006, 21:19
If said recipie is protected under intellectual property laws, you will nonetheless be charged with stealing intellectual property, regardless of how you come about the knowledge.

Can I find the recipe in the laws? just for research purposes only you understand...
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:20
Where will I be removed to?
Non-reserved land. If you do not qualify for citizenship on non-reserved land, you will be deported to your nation of origin. If you have more than one nation of origin, the cheapest plane ticket at time of deportation will determine which nation you are returned to. If said nation also requires you to apply for citizenship before entry, or to obtain a visa, you may be punted around from nation to nation until someone finally lets you in.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:22
Can I find the recipe in the laws? just for research purposes only you understand...
No. You may obtain the recipe (http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/pr/ra/intpro/lac_e.html) by signing an intellectual property contract, and a confidentiality agreement.
PsychoticDan
01-06-2006, 21:22
What if we have a specail talant? You no, like we no how to sel relly gud?
Not bad
01-06-2006, 21:24
Non-reserved land. If you do not qualify for citizenship on non-reserved land, you will be deported to your nation of origin. If you have more than one nation of origin, the cheapest plane ticket at time of deportation will determine which nation you are returned to. If said nation also requires you to apply for citizenship before entry, or to obtain a visa, you may be punted around from nation to nation until someone finally lets you in.I like this option even better than the rez. Thank you. Travel is fun.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:25
What if we have a specail talant? You no, like we no how to sel relly gud?
You'll be patted on the head and referred to immigration.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:25
I like this option even better than the rez. Thank you. Travel is fun.
Processing camps for illegal immigrants are less so, but enjoy your stay!
Not bad
01-06-2006, 21:25
No. You may obtain the recipe (http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/pr/ra/intpro/lac_e.html) by signing an intellectual property contract, and a confidentiality agreement.

Where do I sign? Will an X in my own blood be sufficient?
Ashmoria
01-06-2006, 21:26
File it with our Department of Whiteman and Southern Affairs. Wait half a century. Refile the claim after discovering the original claim was 'lost'. Wait another half century. Take your claim to the United Nations Human Rights Commission, and wait for them to rule in your favour. Bring the ruling back to the DWSA and listen to us laugh at it.

what if i can establish myself as being the closest possible decendant of a tribe that existed at the time of the lease but the tribe is no longer in existance?
Not bad
01-06-2006, 21:27
Processing camps for illegal immigrants are less so, but enjoy your stay!

Is this on purpose or merely expediant?
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:27
what if i can establish myself as being the closest possible decendant of a tribe that existed at the time of the lease but the tribe is no longer in existance?
You will have to demonstrate an unbroken connection to your historical teachings. Since aboriginal teachings are communal, you will be unable to do so.
PsychoticDan
01-06-2006, 21:29
You'll be patted on the head and referred to immigration.
But what if that talent is that I am a rocket scientist?
Not bad
01-06-2006, 21:30
You will have to demonstrate an unbroken connection to your historical teachings. Since aboriginal teachings are communal, you will be unable to do so.Thats me and Ishii sitting in deportation camp together kicking rocks.
Ashmoria
01-06-2006, 21:39
wow you guys are strict

where will my reservation be?
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:41
wow you guys are strict

where will my reservation be?
Are you a 6(1) or 6(2) Whiteman, Black or Asian? Well, you and your immediate family will be split from your extended family, amalgomated with other families that do not speak the same language as you or share your culture, and aloted a tiny patch of useless land. If we determine some point in the future that the land we let you keep is in fact useful, you will be removed. Enjoy!

As for being strict...well we learned from the best. We will, however, refrain from massacring you.
Not bad
01-06-2006, 21:42
wow you guys are strict

where will my reservation be?


Chances are either the sonora or the mojave desert
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:45
In a decade, we will have built federally funded Residential Schools far from reserved lands, and we will require by law that all status Whiteman, Black and Asian children attend these schools for a period of ten years. They will be forbidden speech in their own language, and will be instructed entirely in an aboriginal language. They will only be allowed to see their family during the summer break, and only if a family member is able to come and pick them up. Once we have determined that the Whiteman/Black/Asian within the child is truly gone, their education shall be complete, and they shall be sent back to live on the reservation land with no concept of their culture, history, or family ties.
Not bad
01-06-2006, 21:45
Are you a 6(1) or 6(2) Whiteman, Black or Asian? Well, you and your immediate family will be split from your extended family, amalgomated with other families that do not speak the same language as you or share your culture, and aloted a tiny patch of useless land. If we determine some point in the future that the land we let you keep is in fact useful, you will be removed. Enjoy!

As for being strict...well we learned from the best. We will, however, refrain from massacring you.

You havent learned THAT much have you?

I mean you still wanted my signature on a document after all.
Not bad
01-06-2006, 21:47
In a decade, we will have built federally funded Residential Schools far from reserved lands, and we will require by law that all status Whiteman, Black and Asian children attend these schools for a period of ten years. They will be forbidden speech in their own language, and will be instructed entirely in an aboriginal language. They will only be allowed to see their family during the summer break, and only if a family member is able to come and pick them up. Once we have determined that the Whiteman/Black/Asian within the child is truly gone, their education shall be complete, and they shall be sent back to live on the reservation land with no concept of their culture, history, or family ties.


Will there be cookies?
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:47
You havent learned THAT much have you?

I mean you still wanted my signature on a document after all.
Our people did actually 'sign' the treaties you know.

Oh, and all contracts you sign will be presented to you in an aboriginal language, and we will loosely translate them for you, leaving out all the important bits, and pretending the things we agreed on are actually included in the contract, even though they won't be.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:48
Will there be cookies?
Yes. And also sexual abuse.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:48
I can't believe someone hasn't waded in here, all outraged, shouting at me to 'get over it and shut up'.
Carnivorous Lickers
01-06-2006, 21:49
Only whites will receive 'reserved' lands within the territories. All others will simply be classed as 'immigrants'.;)


As long as I get a casino,thats fine. I'm already living on land I reserved.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:50
As long as I get a casino,thats fine. I'm already living on land I reserved.
Sorry, but you will not be allowed to choose your reserved lands, if in fact you qualify for Whiteman status.

I'll give you a personal interview to determine whether you should be allowed to remain. Bring your tongue.
Not bad
01-06-2006, 21:51
Our people did actually 'sign' the treaties you know.

Oh, and all contracts you sign will be presented to you in an aboriginal language, and we will loosely translate them for you, leaving out all the important bits, and pretending the things we agreed on are actually included in the contract, even though they won't be.


So the recipe might not be correct? Thats terrible! Im willing to learn the written language of the Navajo and even to hate Hopi's if need be for the recipe, but I'll not do it for a bad recipe. That's final.
Carnivorous Lickers
01-06-2006, 21:51
Sorry, but you will not be allowed to choose your reserved lands, if in fact you qualify for Whiteman status.

I'll give you a personal interview to determine whether you should be allowed to remain. Bring your tongue.


you're throwing rocks and snapple bottles at the polar bear again.

he can swim and he's starving.
Ashmoria
01-06-2006, 21:52
Chances are either the sonora or the mojave desert
ive decided to hide out. it will take them a long time to get around to rooting out those who live on unclaimed lands. it might even be that with no one to claim it, no one will ever seek to remove me.

anyone know where i can buy tobacco seed?
Not bad
01-06-2006, 21:52
I can't believe someone hasn't waded in here, all outraged, shouting at me to 'get over it and shut up'.

Get over it shut up and gimmee that recipe.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 21:53
you're throwing rocks and snapple bottles at the polar bear again.

he can swim and he's starving.
Make a meal out of me, and come back for more...
Not bad
01-06-2006, 21:53
ive decided to hide out. it will take them a long time to get around to rooting out those who live on unclaimed lands. it might even be that with no one to claim it, no one will ever seek to remove me.

anyone know where i can buy tobacco seed?

Sally Fields has some left over from a movie.
Not bad
01-06-2006, 21:55
Yes. And also sexual abuse.

As part of the curriculum?
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 22:00
As part of the curriculum?
No, part of the delivery.
Carnivorous Lickers
01-06-2006, 22:05
Make a meal out of me, and come back for more...


my mind was achin'
Not bad
01-06-2006, 22:08
No, part of the delivery.

Ba doom tish
Not bad
01-06-2006, 22:12
Is it too early to start writing Bury my Heart at Pine Ridge?
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 22:15
Is it too early to start writing Bury my Heart at Pine Ridge?
I already said we wouldn't massacre you.

Just make you look like violent agitators, and arrest you on trumped up anti-terrorism charges (http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/29/rifles050629.html).
Not bad
01-06-2006, 22:26
I already said we wouldn't massacre you.

Just make you look like violent agitators, and arrest you on trumped up anti-terrorism charges (http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/29/rifles050629.html).


You havent even decided what sort of who I am. You may still massacre me. It'd only take one bullet.

Is there a test you can make me take to determine what you will do with me?
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 22:38
Is there a test you can make me take to determine what you will do with me?
There is indeed. But we will make it extremely confusing, and we made forget to put your name on our "Whiteman rolls", which will then deny you, and all your heirs, Whiteman status. You can try to get your name put back on, but we'll shove you through so many bureaucratic funnels that you'll eventually determine that it's much easier to just get the hell out.
Not bad
01-06-2006, 22:40
There is indeed. But we will make it extremely confusing, and we made forget to put your name on our "Whiteman rolls", which will then deny you, and all your heirs, Whiteman status. You can try to get your name put back on, but we'll shove you through so many bureaucratic funnels that you'll eventually determine that it's much easier to just get the hell out.

Why would I want to be on your Whiteman rolls and how will I be made to take your confusing test?
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 22:43
Why would I want to be on your Whiteman rolls and how will I be made to take your confusing test?
Well, if you aren't on the Whiteman roll, then you won't have status as a Whiteman, and you won't be settled onto reserved Whiteman lands. Since you won't likely get band membership, that means you will have to attempt to immigrate to our lands. Unless you are educated in one of our official aboriginal languages, and hold traditional knowledge that would help you succeed on our lands, you probably won't be granted citizenship, or even a visa.
Not bad
01-06-2006, 23:06
Well, if you aren't on the Whiteman roll, then you won't have status as a Whiteman, and you won't be settled onto reserved Whiteman lands. Since you won't likely get band membership, that means you will have to attempt to immigrate to our lands. Unless you are educated in one of our official aboriginal languages, and hold traditional knowledge that would help you succeed on our lands, you probably won't be granted citizenship, or even a visa.


None of that bothers me. You people with races live to oppress eachother anyway. Its a hobby you have. I decline. Do something with me or leave me in peace.
Sarkhaan
01-06-2006, 23:07
Sorry, you don't get to 'convert'. You must have band membership, and unless we adopt you, or were married to one of us previous to the end of the lease period, you must apply for immigration like everyone else:)would it be suspicious if I asked you to marry me before the end of 2006?
Not bad
01-06-2006, 23:09
If someone does not belong to a band culturally, but does by bloodline, will there be band camp to teach them culture?
Not bad
01-06-2006, 23:10
would it be suspicious if I asked you to marry me before the end of 2006?

Me first! I want to marry Sinuhue too!
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 23:10
Also, according to the Whiteman Act, Whitemen will not be allowed to practice any of their religious or cultural traditions. No more than five Whitemen will be allowed to congregate off reserved lands, and Whitemen wishing to leave the reserved lands for any reason, must obtain a pass from Whiteman and Southern Affairs. Failure to abide by these regulations can result in jail time.

Some other sections of the Whiteman Act ( http://www.solon.org/Statutes/Canada/English/I/I-5.html) that may be of interest to you:

32. (1) A transaction of any kind whereby a Whiteman band or a member thereof purports to sell, barter, exchange, give or otherwise dispose of cattle or other animals, grain or hay, whether wild or cultivated, or root crops or plants or their products from a reserve in Manitoba, Saskatchewan or Alberta, to a person other than a member of that Whiteman band, is void unless the superintendent approves the transaction in writing.

51. (1) Subject to this section, all jurisdiction and authority in relation to the property of mentally incompetent Whitemen is vested exclusively in the Minister.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 23:11
would it be suspicious if I asked you to marry me before the end of 2006?
Yes.

And bigamy won't be legal here until the lease expires, and government is turned over to the First Nations.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 23:12
If someone does not belong to a band culturally, but does by bloodline, will there be band camp to teach them culture?
Membership and status will be entirely determined by each band.

Right now, status is dictated by the government, but band membership is up to the bands. Funding is linked to status, not band membership.
Not bad
01-06-2006, 23:14
Also, according to the Whiteman Act, Whitemen will not be allowed to practice any of their religious or cultural traditions. No more than five Whitemen will be allowed to congregate off reserved lands, and Whitemen wishing to leave the reserved lands for any reason, must obtain a pass from Whiteman and Southern Affairs. Failure to abide by these regulations can result in jail time.

Some other sections of the Whiteman Act ( http://www.solon.org/Statutes/Canada/English/I/I-5.html) that may be of interest to you:

32. (1) A transaction of any kind whereby a Whiteman band or a member thereof purports to sell, barter, exchange, give or otherwise dispose of cattle or other animals, grain or hay, whether wild or cultivated, or root crops or plants or their products from a reserve in Manitoba, Saskatchewan or Alberta, to a person other than a member of that Whiteman band, is void unless the superintendent approves the transaction in writing.

51. (1) Subject to this section, all jurisdiction and authority in relation to the property of mentally incompetent Whitemen is vested exclusively in the Minister.

I definiely wont be applying for Whiteman status then. Its not the congregating or religion or even Canadian livestock bits that worry me. Its the mental incompetence bits.
Sarkhaan
01-06-2006, 23:15
Yes.

And bigamy won't be legal here until the lease expires, and government is turned over to the First Nations.so you're saying I have to kill your husband?

well, a whiteys gotta do what a whiteys gotta do
just kidding mr. Sinuhue. Kinda;)
Not bad
01-06-2006, 23:16
Yes.

And bigamy won't be legal here until the lease expires, and government is turned over to the First Nations.

Me! Me! Marry Me!
New Granada
01-06-2006, 23:17
Sorry indians, our army will just win again.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 23:20
Sorry indians, our army will just win again.
The entire reason that the treaties (http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/pr/trts/hti/site/mpindex_e.html) were created was because when Europeans arrived here, they did not do so in strength. The treaties were pursued in order to open up lands for trade, and then colonisation, with the understanding that it was of great importance that the native peoples be friendly, or at least not totally hostile. Why? Because we had military superiority for quite some time. We allowed further immigration...you did not in fact, 'invade and conquer' North America.
Not bad
01-06-2006, 23:23
The entire reason that the treaties (http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/pr/trts/hti/site/mpindex_e.html) were created was because when Europeans arrived here, they did not do so in strength. The treaties were pursued in order to open up lands for trade, and then colonisation, with the understanding that it was of great importance that the native peoples be friendly, or at least not totally hostile. Why? Because we had military superiority for quite some time. We allowed further immigration...you did not in fact, 'invade and conquer' North America.

Thats what lax immigration will do for a place.
Sinuhue
01-06-2006, 23:24
Thats what lax immigration will do for a place.
Tell me about it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhEl6HdfqWM&search=the%20immigration%20debate%20). :D
New Granada
01-06-2006, 23:26
The entire reason that the treaties (http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/pr/trts/hti/site/mpindex_e.html) were created was because when Europeans arrived here, they did not do so in strength. The treaties were pursued in order to open up lands for trade, and then colonisation, with the understanding that it was of great importance that the native peoples be friendly, or at least not totally hostile. Why? Because we had military superiority for quite some time. We allowed further immigration...you did not in fact, 'invade and conquer' North America.


Mistakes are mistakes, and apparently the indians made some big ones.

Can't blame them though, the europeans were certainly deceitful.

All the same, the cavalry forts that still stand here in AZ are a testament to the fact that white-run armies eventually did win the day.

That counts for as much in North America as it does everywhere else in the world.
Kev and dave
01-06-2006, 23:29
ya wut about da black people u cant 4 get about us cuz if it was nt for us america would be jack shit cuz if wedidnt pick all dat damn cotton who would
Not bad
01-06-2006, 23:34
Tell me about it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhEl6HdfqWM&search=the%20immigration%20debate%20). :D:D :D :D That's quite good
Not bad
01-06-2006, 23:36
ya wut about da black people u cant 4 get about us cuz if it was nt for us america would be jack shit cuz if wedidnt pick all dat damn cotton who would

John Deere

http://www.agdeal.com/classifieds/dbimages/FarmEquipment/5736247467/MVP3.JPG
New Granada
01-06-2006, 23:39
Indians and Chican"oa"s needn't feel too bad, we "anglos" have been at this for a long time.

When we did to england what we did to north america, we were less than gentle with the celts ;)
The Lone Alliance
01-06-2006, 23:54
They've got it wrong. We actually colonised Asia.
So since you claim Asia I declare your claim on American Null and Void. You have 5 days to depart the area, on the plus side, you can now take over China.
Bolol
02-06-2006, 00:04
*blink blink*

...Muh...?
Marrakech II
02-06-2006, 00:05
Only whites will receive 'reserved' lands within the territories. All others will simply be classed as 'immigrants'.;)


Glad to see your racism is alive and well. Funny how your not being pounded into the ground by alot of NS'rs that cry racist in other posts.
Kinda Sensible people
02-06-2006, 00:06
Glad to see your racism is alive and well. Funny how your not being pounded into the ground by alot of NS'rs that cry racist in other posts.

My guess is because the "Whiteman" laws are meant only as irony, and because even if they were serious, there would be no way for them to be carried out by the people that passed them.
New Granada
02-06-2006, 00:09
Glad to see your racism is alive and well. Funny how your not being pounded into the ground by alot of NS'rs that cry racist in other posts.


Its because those NSers hate america, isnt it!
Saige Dragon
02-06-2006, 00:20
Any questions arising from this notice may be directed to: The Honorable Chief "Wins at Bingo all the Time" (District Chief Whiteman & Southern Affairs).

How about those of us native to this land? Those of us born and raised on this land. Those of us who consider this land much more of a home then that from which our ancestors came.
Marrakech II
02-06-2006, 04:43
Its because those NSers hate america, isnt it!

Tend to be more than a few on here.
Free Soviets
02-06-2006, 07:15
How about those of us native to this land? Those of us born and raised on this land. Those of us who consider this land much more of a home then that from which our ancestors came.

too bad, the lease is up and the landlords have decided to kick you to the curb. happens all the time - you should plan ahead.
Barbaric Tribes
02-06-2006, 07:33
Im with the chief on this one, but i say we take it one step farther and cross the ocean and take the white peoples home land. Europe. They cant defend themselves without America anyways. They're not even allowed to own guns, it'll be just like last time, we'll have all the guns and they'll be unarmed....ripe for the plucking.
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 15:53
Mistakes are mistakes, and apparently the indians made some big ones. We certainly weren't the only ones. The fact that both the US and Canada signed binding treaties with our nations means that they have given legitimacy to current claims. More and more, we are winning our claims in your courts, and those original treaties are part of that. Had the Europeans not needed our help, militarily, economically and environmentally, it is doubtful that any one European power could have retained a foothold here. Had you all come united...we wouldn't have stood a chance.

Can't blame them though, the europeans were certainly deceitful. Well, the current governments are not comprised completely of 'Europeans', and the deceit is ongoing...

All the same, the cavalry forts that still stand here in AZ are a testament to the fact that white-run armies eventually did win the day. We were never truly at war with one another in the first place. So 'winning the day' is really not an apt term. The fact that we are still here, a sizeable proportion of which still speak our traditional language, and maintain our culture, is a testament to the fact that even outright genocide and institutionalised assimilation wasn't enough to destroy us.

That counts for as much in North America as it does everywhere else in the world.What also counts in much of the world are claims based on usufruct. It's in an integral part of British common law, which both Canada and the US share in. But that's another conversation for another time :)
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 15:54
So since you claim Asia I declare your claim on American Null and Void. You have 5 days to depart the area, on the plus side, you can now take over China.
You've got it wrong. If we colonised China, we need to withdraw from colonised lands...as you must. Silly rabbit!
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 15:56
Glad to see your racism is alive and well. Funny how your not being pounded into the ground by alot of NS'rs that cry racist in other posts.
Perhaps it's because only you can not see the irony in existing legislations, and historical facts being reversed. It's called satire, and what makes it so biting is the fact that you are so ignorant of history.
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 15:57
My guess is because the "Whiteman" laws are meant only as irony, and because even if they were serious, there would be no way for them to be carried out by the people that passed them.
Actually, if you clink on the links I provide throughout, you'll find that all the 'decrees' and laws I've mentioned are based on actual decrees and laws that have been applied to 'Indians'. They look a little silly when turned around...but it isn't only because there is a power imbalance.
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 15:57
How about those of us native to this land? Those of us born and raised on this land. Those of us who consider this land much more of a home then that from which our ancestors came.
Sorry, I'm not Chief "Wins at Bingo All the Time".
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 16:13
We will also be adapting the following strategies to deal with status Whitemen, Blacks and Asians.

Gerry Gambill, 1958

The art of denying Indians their human rights has been refined to a science. The following list of commonly used techniques will be helpful in "burglar-proofing" your reserves, and your rights.

GAIN THE INDIANS CO-OPERATION - It is much easier to steal someone's human rights if you can do it with his OWN co-operation. So..:

1. Make him a non-person. Human rights are for people. Convince Indians their ancestors were savages, that they were pagan, that Indians were drunkards. Make them wards of the government. Make a legal distinction, as in the Indian Act, between Indians and persons. Write history books that tell half the story.

2. Convince the Indian that he should be patient, that these things take time. Tell him that we are making progress, and that progress takes time.

3. Make him believe that things are being done for his own good. Tell him you're sure that after he has experienced your laws and actions that he will realise how good they have been. Tell the Indian he has to take a little of the bad in order to enjoy the benefits you are conferring on him.

4. Get some Indian people to do the dirty work. There are always those who will act for you to the disadvantage of their own people. Just give them a little honor and praise. This is generally the function of band councils, chiefs, and advisory councils: they have little legal power, but can handle the tough decisions such as welfare, allocation of housing etc.

5. Consult the Indian, but do not act on the basis of what you hear. Tell the Indian he has a voice and go through the motions of listening. Then interpret what you have heard to suit your own needs.

6. Insist that the Indian "GOES THROUGH PROPER CHANNELS." Make the channels and the procedures so difficult that he won't bother to do anything. When he discovers what the proper channels are and becomes proficient at the procedures, change them.

7. Make the Indian believe that you are working hard for him, putting in much overtime and at a great sacrifice, and imply that he should be appreciative. This is the ultimate in skills in stealing human rights; when you obtain the thanks of your victim.

8. Allow a few individuals to "MAKE THE GRADE" and then point to them as examples. Say that the 'HARDWORKERS" AND THE "GOOD" Indians have made it, and that therefore it is a person's own fault if he doesn't succeed.

9. Appeal to the Indian's sense of fairness, and tell him that even though things are pretty bad it is not right for him to make strong protests. Keep the argument going on his form of protest and avoid talking about the real issue. refuse to deal with him while he is protesting. Take all the fire out of his efforts.

10. Encourage the Indian to take his case to court. This is very expensive, takes lots of time and energy and is very safe because laws are stacked against him. The court's ruling will defeat the Indian's cause, but makes him think he has obtained justice.

11. Make the Indian believe that things could be worse, and that instead of complaining about the loss of human rights, to be grateful for the rights we do have. In fact, convince him that to attempt to regain a right he has lost is likely to jeopardize the rights that he still has.

12. Set yourself up as the protector of the Indian's human rights, and then you can choose to act only on those violations you wish to act upon. By getting successful on a few minor violations of human rights, you can point to these as examples of your devotion to his cause. The burglar who is also the doorman is the perfect combination.

13. Pretend that the reason for the loss of human rights is for some other reason that the person is an Indian. Tell him some of your best friends are Indians, and that his loss of rights is because of his housekeeping, his drinking, his clothing.

14. Make the situation more complicated than is necessary. Tell the Indian you will have to take a survey to find out how many other Indians are being discriminated against. Hire a group of professors to make a year-long research project.

15. Insist on unanimity. Let the Indian know that when all the Indians in Canada can make up their minds about just what they want as a group, then you will act. Play one group's special situation against another group's wishes.

16. Select very limited alternatives, neither of which has much merit, and then tell the Indian that indeed he has a choice. Ask, for instance, if he could or would rather have council elections in June or December, instead of asking if he wants them at all.

17. Convince the Indian that the leaders who are the most beneficial and powerful are dangerous and not to be trusted. Or simply lock them up on some charge like driving with no lights. Or refuse to listen to the real leaders and spend much time with the weak ones. Keep the people split from their leaders by sowing rumour. Attempt to get the best leaders into high paying jobs where they have to keep quiet to keep their paycheck coming in.

18. Speak of the common good. Tell the Indian that you can't consider yourselves when there is a whole nation to think of. Tell him that he can't think only of himself. For instance, in regard to hunting rights, tell him we have to think of all the hunters, or the sporting good industry.

19. Remove rights so gradually that people don't realize what has happened until it is too late. Again, in regard to hunting rights, first restrict the geographical area where hunting is permitted, then cut the season to certain times of the year, then cut the limits down gradually, then insist on licensing, and then Indians will be on the same grounds as white sportsmen.

20. Rely on some reason and logic (your reason and logic) instead of rightness and morality. Give thousands of reasons for things, but do not get trapped into arguments about what is right.

21. Hold a conference on HUMAN RIGHTS, have everyone blow off steam and tension, and go home feeling things are well in hand
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 16:22
Top 10 Things You Can Say To A White Person Upon First Meeting:

10. How much white are you?
9. I'm part white myself, you know.
8. I learned all your people's ways in the Boy Scouts
7. My great-great-grandmother was a full-blooded white- Canadian princess.
6. Funny, you don't look white.
5. Where's your powdered wig and knickers?
4. Do you live in a covered wagon?
3. What's the meaning behind the square dance?
2. What's your feeling about river-boat casinos? Do they really help your people, or are they just a short-term fix?
1. Oh wow, I really love your hair! Can I touch it?
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 16:26
Walking Eagle and Hopping Crow

Prime Minister Stephen Harper, and President Bush are on a public relations trip through Ontario.

During their visit they drop in to one of the native reservations to meet with the elders of the Mohawk Nation. The leaders tell the Mohawk that they have a plan to improve the income of every Canadian and US Indian by a minimum of $50,000 a year.

Despite frequent requests from the elders, Mr. Harper and Mr. Bush sidestep any discussion of their plan's details -- or when the money will be forthcoming. But later, they expand on their plan by saying they favour every Indian proposal set in front of them.

At the end of the day the elders formally induct the Prime Minister and the President of the USA into the Mohawk Nation. They are given a magnificent feathered headdress and Mr. Harper is given the title: "Walking Eagle", while Mr. Bush receives the title of "Hopping Crow". They pose for cameras, beaming.

As they are leaving the reservation, one of the PM's staff asks a friendly Mohawk elder about the significance of the titles "Walking Eagle and Hopping Crow".

The elder looks at him and grins: "Birds so full of shit they can't fly."
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 16:28
Navajo Wisdom

When NASA was preparing for the Apollo Project, it took the astronauts to a Navajo reservation in Arizona for training. One day, a Navajo elder and his son came across the space crew walking among the rocks. The elder, who spoke only Navajo, asked a question. His son translated for the NASA people:

"What are these guys in the big suits doing?"

One of the astronauts said that they were practicing for a trip to the moon.

When his son relayed this comment, the Navajo elder got all excited and asked if it would be possible to give to the astronauts a message to deliver to the moon.

Recognizing a promotional opportunity when he saw one, a NASA Official accompanying the astronauts said, "Why certainly!" and told an underling to get a tape recorder. The Navajo elder's comments into the microphone were brief. The NASA official asked the son if he would translate what his father had said. The son listened to the recording and laughed uproariously. But he refused to translate.

So the NASA people took the tape to a nearby Navajo village and played it for the others. They too laughed long and loudly but also refused to translate the elder's message to the moon.

Finally, an official government translator was summoned. After he finally stopped laughing the translator relayed the message: "Watch out for these *******, they have come to steal your land."
Refused Party Program
02-06-2006, 16:35
3. What's the meaning behind the square dance?

:D
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 16:45
:D
You aren't going to share your cultural secrets, are you. :(
Peechland
02-06-2006, 16:55
You aren't going to share your cultural secrets, are you. :(


The secret of the square dance is simply this.....


It's a ritual dance performed to the Gods of Country Music. By doing a little do-si-do, the Gods will shine down upon you and bear gifts of 4x4 trucks,shotgun shells, wife beater t shirts and if youre lucky....the gift of a decent karaoke rendition of Johnny Cash songs.
Free Soviets
02-06-2006, 16:56
5. Where's your powdered wig and knickers?

unfortunately, years of oppression and cultural genocide have destroyed much of our once proud traditions
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 16:56
Beautiful, Peech :D
Peechland
02-06-2006, 16:59
Beautiful, Peech :D

Back in the '90's, they had the Apolcalypes of Line Dancing.....it was quite a sight. Denim and cowboy hats everywhere. Not pretty.
Refused Party Program
02-06-2006, 17:02
1. Oh wow, I really love your hair! Can I touch it?

Yah, but if you're going to wash it please use a good dandruff shampoo.
Not bad
02-06-2006, 17:03
Perhaps it's because only you can not see the irony in existing legislations, and historical facts being reversed. It's called satire, and what makes it so biting is the fact that you are so ignorant of history.

Does this mean you wont marry me after all?
:(
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 17:05
I think that's two people now (though Carn deleted his post) who don't like satire...

Very thin skinned.
Not bad
02-06-2006, 17:05
Back in the '90's, they had the Apolcalypes of Line Dancing.....it was quite a sight. Denim and cowboy hats everywhere. Not pretty.

Leave us not to forget the terrible vision of the cowboy mullet.
Not bad
02-06-2006, 17:07
I think that's two people now (though Carn deleted his post) who don't like satire...

Very thin skinned.

I dont mind satire I'm just terribly disappointed we wont marry now. And a little hurt.
Carnivorous Lickers
02-06-2006, 17:12
I think that's two people now (though Carn deleted his post) who don't like satire...

Very thin skinned.


this from the Lifted Lorax .
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 17:13
this from the Lifted Lorax .
I knew that'd get you back in here:p

So seriously, Carn...what exactly do you feel the need 'not to stoop to'?
Carnivorous Lickers
02-06-2006, 17:16
I knew that'd get you back in here:p

So seriously, Carn...what exactly do you feel the need 'not to stoop to'?


I'm well fed, Sin. You wont catch me with tainted bait.
Potarius
02-06-2006, 17:17
I'm chalk-white, *and* I have Native American ancestry!

Teh Winnar.

...Okay, I lie. My skin has a nice red tint to it. Happy?
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 17:18
I think you mean pale-pink:eek:

Alright Carn...you absence of comment on the topic is noted. Moving on.
Carnivorous Lickers
02-06-2006, 17:21
Alright Carn...you absence of comment on the topic is noted. Moving on.


you keep your own minutes on your satire threads ?
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 17:21
.........
Not bad
02-06-2006, 17:26
you keep your own minutes on your satire threads ?


After 2006 she will have a Whiteservent to do that sort of menial task
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 17:29
In addition, we will be publishing a Red Paper ( http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/ch/rcap/sg/sg18_e.html), which will effectively legislate away any claims that the Whitemen, Blacks or Asians may have upon us. In this way, the "Whiteman" problem will cease to exist!

I sure hope the Whitemen don't protest this Red Paper ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Cardinal#The_.22White_Paper.22_and_The_Unjust_Society)...
Not bad
02-06-2006, 17:32
In addition, we will be publishing a Red Paper ( http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/ch/rcap/sg/sg18_e.html), which will effectively legislate away any claims that the Whitemen, Blacks or Asians may have upon us. In this way, the "Whiteman" problem will cease to exist!

I sure hope the Whitemen don't protest this Red Paper...

Depends. Will the paper actually be red in color?

This makes all the difference.
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 17:41
After 2006 she will have a Whiteservent to do that sort of menial task
Naw...they'll all be too busy getting drunk (http://www.episcopal-ut.org/DialogueMain/DialogueArticle/may2002/roots.htm) and collecting welfare (http://www.bluecorncomics.com/welfare.htm).
Refused Party Program
02-06-2006, 17:43
Naw...they'll all be too busy getting drunk and collecting welfare.

And square-dancing with gigantic cowboy hats.
Carnivorous Lickers
02-06-2006, 17:43
Depends. Will the paper actually be red in color?

This makes all the difference.

Naw-there wont actually be "paper".
New Zero Seven
02-06-2006, 17:45
NOOOOOO----!!!! CANADA IS MY MOTHERLAND!!!! :eek:
New Granada
02-06-2006, 17:48
In addition, we will be publishing a Red Paper ( http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/ch/rcap/sg/sg18_e.html), which will effectively legislate away any claims that the Whitemen, Blacks or Asians may have upon us. In this way, the "Whiteman" problem will cease to exist!

I sure hope the Whitemen don't protest this Red Paper ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Cardinal#The_.22White_Paper.22_and_The_Unjust_Society)...


Oh so this is a communist plot. I never did trust the "red man."

Dont indians hold their land in common ??

I assume you'll be taking all the White and Cavalry Blue out of the american flag, leaving it a red flag.

All the time and energy spent over the years civilizing these savages and LENIN got to them...
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 17:48
Oh yeah...and there will be bitching about how the Red Man hurt the poor little Whiteman (http://www.bluecorncomics.com/welfare1.htm)...
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 17:49
Oh so this is a communist plot. I never did trust the "red man."

Dont indians hold their land in common ??

All the time and energy spent over the years civilizing these savages and LENIN got to them...
Hahahahahahahaaaa....Lenin got here first!!! Priceless:)
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 17:57
Naw-there wont actually be "paper".
We have more lasting (http://tuscaroras.com/jtlc/Wampum/Wampum_index.html) ways of recording our laws (http://sixnations.buffnet.net/Great_Law_of_Peace/).

And in any case, we can successfully blend oral and written traditions (http://pwnhc.learnnet.nt.ca/research/otm/otrman2.htm).
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 18:15
As well, in all dealings between the First Nations and the Whitemen, we shall insist on dealing with them and treating with them according to our oral traditions (http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/pr/pub/orl/rpn_e.html). They can go ahead and write things down, but our version of history will always trump theirs. If they don't like it, they should've thought about that before, and memorised our legal processes before treating with us.
Not bad
02-06-2006, 18:51
As well, in all dealings between the First Nations and the Whitemen, we shall insist on dealing with them and treating with them according to our oral traditions (http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/pr/pub/orl/rpn_e.html). They can go ahead and write things down, but our version of history will always trump theirs. If they don't like it, they should've thought about that before, and memorised our legal processes before treating with us.

I am almost to the point of worshipping my shiny red oppressors. Is it Stockholm syndrome or just right-thinking?
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 19:28
I am almost to the point of worshipping my shiny red oppressors. Is it Stockholm syndrome or just right-thinking?
Like I said, worship us enough and we'll award you with a leadership position on reserved lands...
Not bad
02-06-2006, 20:03
Like I said, worship us enough and we'll award you with a leadership position on reserved lands...

I must decline this generous offer again as I do not have a known band or race and so cannot adequately serve the needs and aims of those who do have bands or races. I am therefore not fit to serve nor do I have a mind to do so. Still the worship thing lingers on.
Saige Dragon
02-06-2006, 20:27
Sorry, I'm not Chief "Wins at Bingo All the Time".

If this thread cannot answer my suitable question then where may I recieve an answer?
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 20:30
If this thread cannot answer my suitable question then where may I recieve an answer?
Please ask again...I'm too busy playing bingo to comb back through the posts:)
Not bad
02-06-2006, 20:31
Please ask again...I'm too busy playing bingo to comb back through the posts:)

How many cards do you play at once?
Saige Dragon
02-06-2006, 20:32
Please ask again...I'm too busy playing bingo to comb back through the posts:)

How about those of us native to this land? Those of us born and raised on this land. Those of us who consider this land much more of a home then that from which our ancestors came.

Essentially what I am asking is what about those of us whose ancestors came to America (North and South) a few hundred years ago. Those of us born to this land and consider this land to be our home.
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 20:34
How many cards do you play at once?
Psssshhhh...my record is 35.
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 20:35
Essentially what I am asking is what about those of us whose ancestors came to America (North and South) a few hundred years ago. Those of us born to this land and consider this land to be our home.
Satirical answer: tough nuts. Get out.

Real answer: we wouldn't actually ask anyone to leave.
Not bad
02-06-2006, 20:40
Psssshhhh...my record is 35.

WOW! Just WOW! I couldnt possibly cover even 12 and hope to keep up.
Free Soviets
02-06-2006, 20:43
we wouldn't actually ask anyone to leave.

but i will
Not bad
02-06-2006, 21:14
but i will

Lead by example?
Sinuhue
02-06-2006, 21:22
Free Soviets shall be granted citizenship on acceptance of a position in my man harem the day after the lease expires.
Not bad
02-06-2006, 21:29
Free Soviets shall be granted citizenship on acceptance of a position in my man harem the day after the lease expires.

The picture that painted in my head has killed more brain cells than a bottle of Jägermeister