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As the US, we are a Republic, but also a Democracy, but I find we are more like Rome with Julius Caesar. What do you think?

I didn't know you spoke latin! :p

As the US, we are a Republic, but also a Democracy, but I find we are more like Rome with Julius Caesar. What do you think?

I tend to agree, though it seems to be becoming more like Russia under the Czars as the years go by. Essentially the wealthy are widening the gap between themselves and those of lower income, and the leadership is helping them. Soon enough the country will end up being populated by the ultra-rich, and those who serve them.

I tend to agree, though it seems to be becoming more like Russia under the Czars as the years go by. Essentially the wealthy are widening the gap between themselves and those of lower income, and the leadership is helping them. Soon enough the country will end up being populated by the ultra-rich, and those who serve them.
But then we get a revolution!
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But then we get a revolution!
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:sniper: :sniper:
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YAY!! Can I be the one to pop a cap in Rupert Murdoch? Please?

(Yes, I know he's Australian, but he's also responsible for the worst travesty ever perpetrated on the USA, i.e. Faux News)

What?
Long lize ze FOX reich!
*Goosestep*
Sieg Heil Dur Judge!

Heres a question: What will the revolution be about, what ideology, and whats the aftermath?

The revoultion is about giving everyone equal chance of being rich. Idealogy should be Marxism, since the scanrio is very similiar to what Marx has told us. aftermath: EU will intervere to Preserve " democracy" , China might also be dragged in.

The relevoultion is about giving everyone equal chance of being rich. Idealogy should be Marxism, since the scanrio is very similiar to what Marx has told us. aftermath: EU will intervere to Preserve " democracy" , China might also be dragged in.
I see populist run military junta.
But thats just me.

I see populist run military junta.
But thats just me.

This is also another possiblity.....

1. Military sees opportunity, cries for the rights of the people
2. Revolution, civil war
3. Constitutionalist government in theory, Stratocracy in practice

We'll be the new USSR!

The revolution starts next election day. The aftermath is hopefully a Democratic Congress that will impeach Bush.

As the US, we are a Republic, but also a Democracy, but I find we are more like Rome with Julius Caesar. What do you think?

I find Bush becoming supreme and utter dictator extremely unlikely. People thought that Reagon, Clinton, JFK, and such were going to be the anti christ and kill us all. Seems unlikely.

We have little revolutions of our own every 2-4 years... we like to call them "elections". :)

Not that they're fair or unbiased or anything, or give equal opportunity to all participants -- not just the wealthiest one; but we still have them, and when we decide to reform them, they'll be more like our friends in 1917.

It's not. The Roman Senate actually thought the Republic was in danger enough to go stab Caesar. The U.S. Senate won't even so much as send a pretzel to Shrub.

I prefer constitutional monarchy myself

Democratic Federal Republic, now there's a mouthful.

Democratic federal presidential republic is worse:eek:

The confederation gave way to the federation. The fedaration gave way to the imparial republic. Next stop? Ether the empire will suffer a long civil war and a new Red republic will be born or the empire will gain an impirial famaly compleat with an empor and empress and like Rome before us, we will be conquered by Germany.

The confederation gave way to the federation. The fedaration gave way to the imparial republic. Next stop? Ether the empire will suffer a long civil war and a new Red republic will be born or the empire will gain an impirial famaly compleat with an empor and empress and like Rome before us, we will be conquered by Germany.

Blasted Krauts....

I also find that in the present year we are more a republic than a democracy.

America will never go Red, rejection of socialist ideals is so deeply engrained into the American psyche that even the poorest people would be willing to accept a state of virtual corporate slavery in order to avoid the 'red threat'.

America does have a potentially revolutionary body, the rednecks, the bible-bashers, and the gun-nuts. I predict that the fall of America will be done with the support of these groups, while there will never be an actual revolution, the government will eventually erode its own power to pander to the groups that call for "smaller government", and by doing this they will cyphon the powers to themselves. The military-economic elite of America will purchase the rights of governance from manipulable governments until such a time as the USA has reverted to a feudal landscape of gun-toting fiefs oppressing the urbane working-classes while still convincing them that meritocracy is alive and well.

Actually, over the last 25 years it has slowly become an oligarchy.

Oligarchy is a form of government where most or all political power effectively rests with a small segment of society (typically the most powerful, whether by wealth, family, military strength, ruthlessness, or political influence). The word oligarchy is from the Greek words for "few" (oligo) and "rule" (arkhos). Some political theorists have argued that all governments are inevitably oligarchies no matter the supposed political system.

I tend to agree, though it seems to be becoming more like Russia under the Czars as the years go by. Essentially the wealthy are widening the gap between themselves and those of lower income, and the leadership is helping them. Soon enough the country will end up being populated by the ultra-rich, and those who serve them.

Uh no? If you didn't notice, the over whelming majority of the US population is in the middle class range. And that's growing.

As the US, we are a Republic, but also a Democracy, but I find we are more like Rome with Julius Caesar. What do you think?

Do you really think the vice president is going to lead the senators to assassinate the president in the senate chambers on the Ives of March? (Causing Anthony er Donald Rumsfield to give a great speech and lead the masses into the presidency?)

Frankly I don't think anyone is going to name a salad after the president. :p

George Bush is no Julius Caesar. Julius personally had an on site presence in all the wars he managed, while George only had a "Mission Accomplished" moment. I like George; still have a "W" on my rear bumper, but he's no Caesar.

To summarise my point of view, the United States of America is a plutocratic republic.

While the people generally have the power to vote for 'their representatives' as well as 'their President'; there is little point in denying that the USA is a plutocracy when the only choice of 'winnable' candidates is generally of those who can afford to pay for an election campaign and when the policies of 'successful' parties can be swayed so easily by the dollars of the 'wealthiest' contributors.

Vote all you will, but it is safe to say that power lies more trully with the dollar sign than with the citizen. The tragedy is that money rules America's republic.

As the US, we are a Republic, but also a Democracy, but I find we are more like Rome with Julius Caesar. What do you think?

Bush is no Caesar, on any level.

People like to draw parallels with Rome, but there are drastic differences, the key one being that no one in the United States can hire a private army. Julius Caesar used his political ambition and raw talent to work his way up the cursus honorum and build an army to achieve his goals. Prior to the Marian reforms, each soldier had to be land-owning, and provide his own equipment. He owed his loyalty to the city and to his family. By Caesar's time, rich men created their armies from the poor landless people, and suddenly their loyalty was to the charismatic men who paid their paycheck.

Caesar was the penultimate charismatic employer, who used extreme political talent and raw intelligence to not only make himself the first man in Rome, but to utterly change it. George Bush made his way into power on the coattails of his father, and wouldn't have a clue what to do at the head of an army. Americans owe their allegiance to the United States, not George Bush.