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DES MOINES, Iowa - New York Gov. George Pataki strolled through a teeming farmers market in Iowa, chewing on a giant radish and pressing the flesh with a few thousand people he'd like to be his closest friends.

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"I grew up on a farm, so you learned to eat everything raw," said the Republican, a potential presidential candidate in 2008.

"I know you, I'm a transplanted New Yorker," gushed Isabel Osius. "I guess I don't have to ask why you're here."

Within the hour, Pataki had donned dark robes and was delivering the commencement speech to medical graduates at Des Moines University, the multitasking required for a White House hopeful 19 months before Iowa caucus-goers vote.

Pataki seems like an unlikely sell in Iowa — a Northeast moderate who backs abortion and gay rights and gun control — but the three-term governor has focused on the handshaking-backslapping-local fundraising required to win over voters in a less populated, rural state.

"He's a good retail politician," said former Iowa Republican Chairman Michael Mahaffey. "Part of the reason he connects is he comes from an area that is more like Iowa than you think. There's a lot of New York that is not like New York City."

Pataki has been to Iowa four times since the National Governors Association meeting last summer.

"I love grassroots politics," Pataki said. "I still remember what it was like to run for mayor of Peekskill." That was his first political job.

His recent Memorial Day weekend swing through Iowa was a prime example. On Friday, Pataki stopped in five small towns raising money for local state lawmakers and county political operations, as well as establishing ties to local activists.

"He has definitely been a player," said Tim Albrecht, a GOP legislative staffer working on the midterm elections where Republicans are clinging to a 51-49 margin in the Iowa House. "He has been helpful in that regard and we expect him to continue. He's doing all the right things."

During his swings, Pataki has paid close attention to the political details. Republican Jeff Lamberti, the president of the state Senate, is trying to oust Democratic Rep. Leonard Boswell (news, bio, voting record) in central Iowa's 3rd District.

Meeting with Pataki recently, Lamberti asked him if he'd mind doing a fundraiser to help his congressional campaign.

"He said sure," chuckled Lamberti. "But he said 'People in Iowa know they can see me for free so my ability to raise money here is limited. Why don't we do a fundraiser for you in New York?'"

The event is scheduled for next month.

Pataki does not have the obvious links to the state's influential social and religious conservatives, then again there's already plenty of competition for that group among other GOP hopefuls.

Many conservatives are quietly watching and waiting to assess Pataki, whom they admit to not knowing very well.

"We'll sit down with him at some point and we'll ask him the questions," said Steve Scheffler, head of the Iowa Christian Alliance. "Then we'll go from there."

Sounding a warning, Scheffler said social and religious conservative are a large enough force that candidates can't expect their vote to be diluted by being spread among several candidates.

"He certainly is going to have to get a chunk out of this constituency if he's going to do well," Scheffler said.

Pataki's aggressive early campaigning could pay off in a wide open primary with no early front-runner, Mahaffey said.

"We have a tendency in the Republican Party to anoint candidates," Mahaffey said. "There is no anointed candidate this time."

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i could buy his b.s. if he wasnt a gun grabber....he has security and lives at dinner parties...pos...blech

edit...lol..i am disjointed and drunk...but my point is simply,people like him disgust me,he acts like he is one of us...and he is not...he is trying to get elected...my following drunk posts discounted....sorry.

What's your complaint now? I don't get it.

:confused:

What's your complaint now? I don't get it.


he acts like he is some salt of the earth fella,how he is just like them,but he is a wine and cheese privileged scumbag from new york(my home town)and he relates to life with us peons...lol..what a fucking joke...just the fact he is anti gun pisses me off..he has security(not to mention guns are illegal in nyc...but they got one of the highest crime rates)another do as i say,not as i do asshole..did i mention he has a security detail...and does not live with the peons?
he would change his tune in a (pardon the pun)in a new york minute...if he lived with us....or in my neighborhood.
trying to not get wordy,but i hat e wine and cheese liberals that know whats best for me when they got got an armed detail surrounding them.

you want to be in hollywood..go there...leave me alone,and dont pretend to know whats best for me!

simple enough?

i could buy his b.s. if he wasnt a gun grabber....he has security and lives at dinner parties...pos...blech

So wait...your only complaint regarding Pataki is that he's pro gun-control??

Have you even bothered to find out what stances this guy has on other issues?

Hell, the article describes him as being for both abortion and gay rights, despite being a Republican...that's someone I could vote for, even though I am generally against further gun-control measures.

But nope...the guy want's to "grab your guns", so of course he's a rotten little bastard who couldn't possibly have a single positive thing to bring to the Oval Office.

Single issue people really piss me off...they're the main reason this country has going down hill for over a decade. *grumbles*

Just wanted to point out that you're more likely to get gunned down or mugged or whatnot in a million places other than New York City.:)

"Lying full of shit politician"?

Could you please point me out a politcian to whom this label DOESNT apply?

Just wanted to point out that you're more likely to get gunned down or mugged or whatnot in a million places other than New York City.:)
Like Queens and Bronx?

he acts like he is some salt of the earth fella,how he is just like them,but he is a wine and cheese privileged scumbag from new york(my home town)and he relates to life with us peons...lol..what a fucking joke...just the fact he is anti gun pisses me off..he has security(not to mention guns are illegal in nyc...but they got one of the highest crime rates)another do as i say,not as i do asshole..did i mention he has a security detail...and does not live with the peons?
he would change his tune in a (pardon the pun)in a new york minute...if he lived with us....or in my neighborhood.
trying to not get wordy,but i hat e wine and cheese liberals that know whats best for me when they got got an armed detail surrounding them.

you want to be in hollywood..go there...leave me alone,and dont pretend to know whats best for me!

simple enough?

Um, unless I'm woefully misinformed, Pataki's not from NYC, but grew up on a farm in Westchester County, like he said. Telling Iowans that he has some notion of what rural life is like isn't exactly dishonest, and it's also standard politics. Politicians have to shake hands, kiss babies, and tell farmers that they're What Makes This Country Great. They all do that. I'm not really a Pataki fan myself, but I don't see much cause to criticize him for acting like every other politician in the country.

So wait...your only complaint regarding Pataki is that he's pro gun-control??

Have you even bothered to find out what stances this guy has on other issues?

Hell, the article describes him as being for both abortion and gay rights, despite being a Republican...that's someone I could vote for, even though I am generally against further gun-control measures.

But nope...the guy want's to "grab your guns", so of course he's a rotten little bastard who couldn't possibly have a single positive thing to bring to the Oval Office.

Single issue people really piss me off...they're the main reason this country has going down hill for over a decade. *grumbles*

dont grumble to much..i am pro..nay for womens choice,i am also very open minded on many issues.
i am also republican by nature(economic)
i am bi sexual which would definately rub staunch repubs the wrong way.i am for gay marriage,i am also more liberal when it comes to social arenas,but dont you dare say i am a single issue type person.
i pointed out the hypocracy of polsmacky as what he is..a gun grabbing(cause it suits the liberal elite voter base in nyc)which got him elected.
i agree with him on many issues,but if it makes me a single issue voter..then maybe your correct.
i wont vote for a panderer of votes.

maybe if the left wasnt so stuck on the issue(for the urban vote,,,where it does no good but make you feel good) as far as guns go,i would vote for them.

if they rep'd me wherever i was and realised i need guns to protect myself,and cant trust the cops,they would get my vote.

that is no different imho then neocons using the southerners to garner votes(cause the dems are for "gays")

equally shallow if you ask me.

i am pragmatic on most issues...but you cant deny that abortion/gun control /gay marriage does not divide us?

i think we are being played on these issues.

but 1 right i will never give up is my right to protect myself and my family...pataki,for votes,will trade that away...no thanks,if that makes me a single issue voter,i am condemned.

how many gays vote democrat,or women on the abortion issue?are they all retards to you?

we are divided...if one democrat said i am for people being allowed to defenfd themselves(as it is my right) then i woyuld vote for them tomorrow..as i believe in most of their stances...till then..i'll be like the gays ad nauseam...and waste my vote.

i wont vote for a panderer of votes.

LMAO...then you won't be voting! :p

how many gays vote democrat,or women on the abortion issue?are they all retards to you?

Only if gay-rights or abortion is their only reason for actually going out and voting.

In that case, they are no less retarded than the gay-bashers and pro-lifers who vote Republican for no reason other than the fact that the GOP caters to their pet issue.

Anyone...anyone...who votes on one issue and ignores all others does their country a disservice every time they vote.

LMAO...then you won't be voting! :p



Only if gay-rights or abortion is their only reason for actually going out and voting.

In that case, they are no less retarded than the gay-bashers and pro-lifers who vote Republican for no reason other than the fact that the GOP caters to their pet issue.

Anyone...anyone...who votes on one issue and ignores all others does their country a disservice every time they vote.

i will have to concede your point.
as i agree with you,as i have others here.

but tell me most if not most dem's vote single issue or just anti bush(i despise bush)
so how is that any different?

because you dissagree with me?

i say thats the problem,i will never vote for a repub or a dem ever again.

as someone wisecracked...they are all panderers for our vote,and my position is they divide us with non issues,but my last line i give up is my right to defend myself...and then transfer my safety to the gov...whom i distrust..period..either fence.

i will always vote for the third party or the underdog if you will.

i think we have been deluded by the 2 parties...but at the least,the repubs allow me a semblance of protection for me...a mirage i am sure,but better then the dems allow.

i cant stand someone telling me whats best for me,and the dems seem to take the cake in that department,and the sad thing is,i agree with them on most issues(other then economic)but socially i usually agree with the dems and not the repubs...time for a change!

Like Queens and Bronx?
Like Erie, Indiana.
Los Angeles.
Dallas.
Denver.
Detroit.
Portland
Casper.
Kansas City.
Miami.
Washington, D.C.
Atlanta.
Etc, etc...

Crime Rates lie. In NYC, the chances of getting involved in a crime if you're just walking to work is pretty damned low. In ANY of the above, it is higher.

Like Erie, Indiana.
Los Angeles.
Dallas.
Denver.
Detroit.
Portland
Casper.
Kansas City.
Miami.
Atlanta.
Etc, etc...

Crime Rates lie. In NYC, the chances of getting involved in a crime if you're just walking to work is pretty damned low. In ANY of the above, it is higher.


i would be interested to see those stats..really.
ior you talking manhatten where there is a cop for every 2 people..or you including the bronx/queens/brooklyn....like you said...stats lie

i would be interested to see those stats..really.
ior you talking manhatten where there is a cop for every 2 people..or you including the bronx/queens/brooklyn....like you said...stats lie
All bourgouhs(I screwed that up.) included.

because you dissagree with me?

I disagree with your stated postition that you will not vote for Democrats because they are pro gun-control...

...but again, that's only one issue. It seems you and I agree far more than we disagree. :)

i cant stand someone telling me whats best for me,and the dems seem to take the cake in that department,and the sad thing is,i agree with them on most issues(other then economic)but socially i usually agree with the dems and not the repubs...time for a change!

Sounds like someone needs to be voting Libertarian. :p

Um, unless I'm woefully misinformed, Pataki's not from NYC, but grew up on a farm in Westchester County, like he said. Telling Iowans that he has some notion of what rural life is like isn't exactly dishonest, and it's also standard politics. Politicians have to shake hands, kiss babies, and tell farmers that they're What Makes This Country Great. They all do that. I'm not really a Pataki fan myself, but I don't see much cause to criticize him for acting like every other politician in the country.


I still cringe, thinking of images of Hillary Clinton putting on a NY Yankee's baseball hat and in the blink of an eye, shes a NY senator.

I disagree with your stated postition that you will not vote for Democrats because they are pro gun-control...

...but again, that's only one issue. It seems you and I agree far more than we disagree. :)



Sounds like someone needs to be voting Libertarian. :p

yes indeed sir/madam

and i will vote libertarian until my vote is no longer wasted.

I still cringe, thinking of images of Hillary Clinton putting on a NY Yankee's baseball hat and in the blink of an eye, shes a NY senator.


funny post..lol...boy do i agree.

aside from your posts point...she is the best example of a shape changing politician i have had the displeasure of seeing in years,and i am old!

Anyone...anyone...who votes on one issue and ignores all others does their country a disservice every time they vote.

I disagree.
A person should use her vote just as selfishly as she possibly can. In that way she stands the best possible chance of getting what she wants. If only one issue is important too her, or if it is important above all others she should damned sure only consider voting for politicians who are on the same side of that issue. No matter the issue. This is how representative democracy works and should work.

I disagree.
A person should use their vote just as selfishly as they possibly can. In that way they stand the best chance of getting what they want. If only one issue is important too them, or if it is important above all others they damned sure should only consider voting for politicians who are on the same side of that issue. No matter the issue. This is how representative democracy works and should work.

a position worthy of debate i must say.

however that is assuming representative democracy,which i fear we have said by by along time ago.

and are we not a constitutional republic?

by that i mean,we have constitutional rights that no one can take away...cough..lol...so on the big issues,it does not really matter if we are dems or repugs or skinheads...we have certain rights..period(except for gun control/the un patriot act...ad nauseam)

free speech,the right to keep and bear arms,freedom of religion..etc are rights to not be denied..period

the reps only rep us on states rights issue is my understanding...so if i diss agree with my state i can move to a more amenable one that is akin to my thoughts?
or i can get my state reps to go my way so my state feels the way i do..or i move.

I disagree.
A person should use her vote just as selfishly as she possibly can. In that way she stands the best possible chance of getting what she wants. If only one issue is important too her, or if it is important above all others she should damned sure only consider voting for politicians who are on the same side of that issue. No matter the issue. This is how representative democracy works and should work.

Let's create a hypothetical scenario...two candidates are running for president.

Candidate 1 is an utter fool...think Dan Quayle crossbreeding with Michael Moore, and then the resulting spawn is adopted and raised by Al Sharpton and Rush Limbaugh (you knew they were both in the closet, didn't you :p )

Candiate 1 has almost no understanding of American politics, or indeed issues facing our nation in general...he/she is, however firmly opposed to euthanasia.

Candiate 2 is a savvy career politician, with lots of experience in various policy areas, and a well developed platform that deals with various issues in a pragmatic, rather than an ideological manner.

Candiate 2 has stated that he/she supports the legalization of euthansia.

"Alan" votes for candidate 1, for the sole reason that Alan also opposes euthanasia.

"Sue" votes for candidate 2, for while she too opposes euthanasia, she also supports other measures endorsed by candiate 2.

You're saying that someone who votes in a fool for narrowminded and selfish reasons is a more responsible voter than someone who makes a personal compromise and votes in a competent leader?

Doesn't make much sense to me, I'm afraid.