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Apparently Trijicon has been putting bible verses on the ACOGs for some time now. It's on the serial number on the sight.


"The Any Light Aiming Specialists" Is the slogan on Trijicon's brochure. It may or may not be derived from that verse as well. Regardless, I think this is pretty cool and I'm going to see about getting an ACOG for one of my AKs.

"When Jesus spoke to the people again he said, " I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." "

Here are some of the verses....

Trijicon TA11F

ACOG3.5X35MT5:16

Matthew 5:16-"In the same way, let your light so shine before other, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven."


Reflex II

REFLEX1X242COR4:6

2nd corinthians 4:6-"For it is the God who said, 'Let your light shine out of darkness' who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in Jesus Christ."

I'm sure Jesus is thrilled.

Yet if they were verses from the Quran or the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I'd bet money DM wouldn't be happy at all.

Oh Yay!

A direct connection between christianity and waging war... lets hear it for the new crusades ... :rolleyes:

That's the kind of crap you'd expect to see in some anime cartoon or something. Creepy.

God is smacking himself on the forehead and desperately trying to avoid pushing the "Poetically Ironic Smiting" button.

Seriously, why don't they put on some verses about "Turn the other cheek"? Or how about, "If someone wrongs me, how many times must I forgive him? Seven times?" "Seventy times seven is not enough."

Apparently Trijicon has been putting bible verses on the ACOGs for some time now. It's on the serial number on the sight.


"The Any Light Aiming Specialists" Is the slogan on Trijicon's brochure. It may or may not be derived from that verse as well. Regardless, I think this is pretty cool and I'm going to see about getting an ACOG for one of my AKs.

"When Jesus spoke to the people again he said, " I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." "

Here are some of the verses....

Trijicon TA11F

ACOG3.5X35MT5:16

Matthew 5:16-"In the same way, let your light so shine before other, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven."


Reflex II

REFLEX1X242COR4:6

2nd corinthians 4:6-"For it is the God who said, 'Let your light shine out of darkness' who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in Jesus Christ."

Sounds like a cynical ubergeek marketing ploy to me.

Can anyone else picture God sitting up there going "D'OH!"?

Yet if they were verses from the Quran or the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, I'd bet money DM wouldn't be happy at all.


If it worked perfectly and allowed me to see my target, and they were a pro-american company, I wouldn't care.

I am getting an ACOG...

Did I Mention that the founder of Trijicon was a Christian? I emailed the company about this. I'll post the email here in a minute..

From Trijicon Inc:


Thank you for your interest in Trijicon products. Our founder, Mr. Glyn Bindon, began many years ago to place Biblical references on the products made by Trijicon. Mr. Bindon passed away a few years ago and we continue that tradition in his honor.


Please Let me know if I can be of further assistance.



Sincerely,



John *******

Customer Service Representative
Trijicon Inc.
*******@trijicon.com

That's the kind of crap you'd expect to see in some anime cartoon or something. Creepy.
I agree

That or something some creepy vengefull movie charicter would have on his weapon

Either way creepy

God is smacking himself on the forehead and desperately trying to avoid pushing the "Poetically Ironic Smiting" button.

Seriously, why don't they put on some verses about "Turn the other cheek"? Or how about, "If someone wrongs me, how many times must I forgive him? Seven times?" "Seventy times seven is not enough."
In this case the Ironic Smiting button is the trigger. And they don't choose fun time verses for the same reason Jules in Pulp Fiction didn't.

Apparently Trijicon has been putting bible verses on the ACOGs for some time now. It's on the serial number on the sight.


"The Any Light Aiming Specialists" Is the slogan on Trijicon's brochure. It may or may not be derived from that verse as well. Regardless, I think this is pretty cool and I'm going to see about getting an ACOG for one of my AKs.

"When Jesus spoke to the people again he said, " I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." "

Here are some of the verses....

Trijicon TA11F

ACOG3.5X35MT5:16

Matthew 5:16-"In the same way, let your light so shine before other, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven."


Reflex II

REFLEX1X242COR4:6

2nd corinthians 4:6-"For it is the God who said, 'Let your light shine out of darkness' who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in Jesus Christ."


i aint anti jew,seeing as i am one....but check your food,all blessed by a rabbi...almost all food has the little u on it to vouch it is kosher.

hell saran wrap got it on it.

we pay for that....on everything,i may be paronoid,and i aint anti isrial..but they got it going on..lol

ui know it sounds like a conspiracy,and my family makes money off the little blessing...but please.

i could care less,just pointing it out is all.

I agree

That or something some creepy vengefull movie charicter would have on his weapon

Either way creepy
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!!
http://imagesource2.art.com/images/-/Pulp-Fiction-Poster-C11788548.jpeg

If it worked perfectly and allowed me to see my target, and they were a pro-american company, I wouldn't care.

I am getting an ACOG...
If it worked perfectly and allowed you to see your target but was made by a government you didn't like, you'd refuse to use it? So, in a war zone, you would refrain from taking over arms caches from your enemies and instead would leave those weapons and accessories for your enemies to use?

How about if you had a choice between a thingy that worked but was made by your enemy and a thingy that was crap but was made by Uncle Sam himself? How impressed would you be by cutesy-putsey little sayings on the product then?

Did I Mention that the founder of Trijicon was a Christian? I emailed the company about this. I'll post the email here in a minute..
No shit, really? Whoever would have guessed?

Do we have pictures of these thingies? I want to see if the cutesy-putesy little bible sayings come with pictures of Hello Kitty and her friends, to make the soldiers feel even better. (There's an angel version of Hello Kitty. I know, it's very sad that she died, but now she can inspire the troops.)

I agree

That or something some creepy vengefull movie charicter would have on his weapon
Actually now that I think about it, this is more like something a creepy vengeful movie character would have on their weapon:
http://www.rotten.com/library/sex/pedophilia/mary-kay-letourneau/pussywagon.jpg

If it worked perfectly and allowed you to see your target but was made by a government you didn't like, you'd refuse to use it? So, in a war zone, you would refrain from taking over arms caches from your enemies and instead would leave those weapons and accessories for your enemies to use?

How about if you had a choice between a thingy that worked but was made by your enemy and a thingy that was crap but was made by Uncle Sam himself? How impressed would you be by cutesy-putsey little sayings on the product then?


No shit, really? Whoever would have guessed?

Pretty much anything made by the gov't is fubar'ed from the beginning-and no, the US gov't does NOT make ACOGs. A PRIVATE company does. And there is no way my gov't would buy something from another gov't which was opposed to us. And I would much rather use Iron sights than use an optical sight made by my enemy. Or I would just pick them up on the battlefield...

I could even deal with Trijicon being a mormon company (aslong as they were PRO-US) or hindu..or even, GOD FORBID, MUSLIM! (aslong as they were PRO-US)

(http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc000643ca.jpg)

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The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!!
http://imagesource2.art.com/images/-/Pulp-Fiction-Poster-C11788548.jpeg
Exactly :)

Here's another one on an acog. NO, they don't put the entire verse, just the verse letters and numbers.

This one would be EZ25:17

Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children.

And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

Here's another one on an acog. NO, they don't put the entire verse, just the verse letters and numbers.

This one would be EZ25:17

Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children.

And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."
Lol it was quaint before but now he is just ripping off pulp fiction

Apparently Trijicon has been putting bible verses on the ACOGs for some time now. It's on the serial number on the sight.


"The Any Light Aiming Specialists" Is the slogan on Trijicon's brochure. It may or may not be derived from that verse as well. Regardless, I think this is pretty cool and I'm going to see about getting an ACOG for one of my AKs.

"When Jesus spoke to the people again he said, " I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." "

Here are some of the verses....

Trijicon TA11F

ACOG3.5X35MT5:16

Matthew 5:16-"In the same way, let your light so shine before other, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven."


Reflex II

REFLEX1X242COR4:6

2nd corinthians 4:6-"For it is the God who said, 'Let your light shine out of darkness' who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in Jesus Christ."


Bess Eaton doughnuts used to do something similar (their bags all had bible verses on the back or bottom of the bag).

On topic, there's no way I'm going to buy an Acog. I'm not going to pay more for my optics than I do the firearm it goes on (I wouldn't turn one down if I were offered one for free, though). Now, an Eotech on the other hand, .... :D

Bess Eaton doughnuts used to do something similar (their bags all had bible verses on the back or bottom of the bag).

On topic, there's no way I'm going to buy an Acog. I'm not going to pay more for my optics than I do the firearm it goes on (I wouldn't turn one down if I were offered one for free, though). Now, an Eotech on the other hand, .... :D

I've asked this question on ARFCOM before but I never got an answer, but are ACOGs compatible with AKs? I'm such a commie, and as such I prefer Kalashnikovs over ARs. Yes, AKs...I'm such a traitor, I know.

Lol it was quaint before but now he is just ripping off pulp fiction

Huh? The bible is ripping off pulp fiction? WTF?

I've asked this question on ARFCOM before but I never got an answer, but are ACOGs compatible with AKs? I'm such a commie, and as such I prefer Kalashnikovs over ARs. Yes, AKs...I'm such a traitor, I know.



Huh? The bible is ripping off pulp fiction? WTF?

Trijicon offers a Picatinny Rail Adapter (TA51) and a Weaver Adapter (TA51W) for the Acog, so I guess as long as you can mount a Picatinny or Weaver rail on there, you should be good to go.

Trijicon offers a Picatinny Rail Adapter (TA51) and a Weaver Adapter (TA51W) for the Acog, so I guess as long as you can mount a Picatinny or Weaver rail on there, you should be good to go.


However is the ACOG ballistically compatible to the AK? I think the ACOG is ballistically computered to the 5.56 round, not the 7.62...maybe I'm completely wrong...

However is the ACOG ballistically compatible to the AK? I think the ACOG is ballistically computered to the 5.56 round, not the 7.62...maybe I'm completely wrong...

Ah, that I don't know. I thought you were asking about the mounting compatibility.

Here's another one on an acog. NO, they don't put the entire verse, just the verse letters and numbers.

This one would be EZ25:17

Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children.

And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."
They put made up verses on thier guns, too? Wow, that's actually kind of sad...

It isn't that bad...they still get their MRE's from Gaylord Inc

i aint anti jew,seeing as i am one....but check your food,all blessed by a rabbi...almost all food has the little u on it to vouch it is kosher.

hell saran wrap got it on it.

we pay for that....on everything,i may be paronoid,and i aint anti isrial..but they got it going on..lol

ui know it sounds like a conspiracy,and my family makes money off the little blessing...but please.

i could care less,just pointing it out is all.

Maybe you're kidding and it went right over my head.. if so then .. hehe

if not then ..

I've only noticed one item I purchased from a grocery store that said it was kosher, for passover .. that was sour cream, and it stated that on a protective/freshness seal on top. What "u" are you talking about? And how does your family make money off the little blessing?

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee!!
http://imagesource2.art.com/images/-/Pulp-Fiction-Poster-C11788548.jpeg

Damn you. I was going to post that :p

It isn't that bad...they still get their MRE's from Gaylord Inc
You mean the family of that famous gymnast? Mitch?

From Trijicon Inc:

Thank you for your interest in Trijicon products. Our founder, Mr. Glyn Bindon, began many years ago to place Biblical references on the products made by Trijicon. Mr. Bindon passed away a few years ago and we continue that tradition in his honor.

Please Let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Sincerely,

John *******

Customer Service Representative
Trijicon Inc.
*******@trijicon.com

Nothing against the law about that. Even on government purchased products.

It's called the First Amendment here in the US. If anyone doesn't want to buy the product, they can certainly try to find a lesser product than the ACOG.

IMHO, the EOTech is pretty good, but it needs batteries, is still expensive, and is more breakable than the ACOG - which is nuclear powered (tritium) and nearly indestructible.

They put made up verses on thier guns, too? Wow, that's actually kind of sad...

WTF? That can't be right.... It's not on the gun, but the SCOPE.

:eek:

Ezekiel 25:17 is a similar, but different.....

"And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them"

It would still be nice to have though :D

Nothing against the law about that. Even on government purchased products.

It's called the First Amendment here in the US. If anyone doesn't want to buy the product, they can certainly try to find a lesser product than the ACOG.

IMHO, the EOTech is pretty good, but it needs batteries, is still expensive, and is more breakable than the ACOG - which is nuclear powered (tritium) and nearly indestructible.

True, however WOULD the gov't buy something from it's enemy?


I'm gonna email Trijicon about an AK ACOG. I just worked 24 hours in 2 days and I have some cash to burn, maybe on a new optic....

However is the ACOG ballistically compatible to the AK? I think the ACOG is ballistically computered to the 5.56 round, not the 7.62...maybe I'm completely wrong...

They have a reticle for 223 (5.56) ballistics and a different one for 308 (7.62NATO) ballistics but none to my knowlege specifically for 7.62X39 (AK47 SKS etc.) ballistics. But youd soon learn to Kentucky elevation it in I reckon.

Pretty much anything made by the gov't is fubar'ed from the beginning-and no, the US gov't does NOT make ACOGs. A PRIVATE company does. And there is no way my gov't would buy something from another gov't which was opposed to us. And I would much rather use Iron sights than use an optical sight made by my enemy. Or I would just pick them up on the battlefield...

I could even deal with Trijicon being a mormon company (aslong as they were PRO-US) or hindu..or even, GOD FORBID, MUSLIM! (aslong as they were PRO-US)

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Wow. You actually made my point by missing it. Bravo.

Oh, and you get extra irony points for mssing it by so much despite your name. Maybe I should put my next point on a barn door, eh? :p

Wow. You actually made my point by missing it. Bravo.

Oh, and you get extra irony points for mssing it by so much despite your name. Maybe I should put my next point on a barn door, eh? :p

huh?

DM is different froma sniper..both are very different.

huh?

DM is different froma sniper..both are very different.
No, dear, the barn is over there.

A "marksman" is someone who can "hit the mark," right? Only, it seems you can't. Not even about this.

Oh Yay!

A direct connection between christianity and waging war... lets hear it for the new crusades ... :rolleyes:
Y'know, this actually almost happened! (new crusades and all)....Here's the story
(Note: the following is a little bit of background info: in the Muslim religion, anyone who blasphemes, which includes converting, is to be immediately taken to the local mosque and executed. Not only that, but his/her family must do it)
This Muslim guy (I don't remember where) had converted to Catholicism at least a decade ago, and then his brother found out (recently, that is). The brother took him to a mosque, and the locked him up. Turns out that Pope Benedict XIII (or something like that) wound up telling the ruler of that country that to allow that man to be executed would be an act of Genocide against the entirety of Catholicism, and all of the Catholic community would be rallied to arms (under penalty of excommunication, probably) to march in and blow that country away. For this reason, the Fed's of that country wound up sneaking in, stealing the guy, and snuck him into the Vatican, after which they handed all governatorial rights over to the Pope. Their excuse:Any man who would DARE convert from our religion must be crazy (Note: all insane people are exempt from muslim law, under muslim law):D

Godfire']Y'know, this actually almost happened! (new crusades and all)....Here's the story
(Note: the following is a little bit of background info: in the Muslim religion, anyone who blasphemes, which includes converting, is to be immediately taken to the local mosque and executed. Not only that, but his/her family must do it)
This Muslim guy (I don't remember where) had converted to Catholicism at least a decade ago, and then his brother found out (recently, that is). The brother took him to a mosque, and the locked him up. Turns out that Pope Benedict XIII (or something like that) wound up telling the ruler of that country that to allow that man to be executed would be an act of Genocide against the entirety of Catholicism, and all of the Catholic community would be rallied to arms (under penalty of excommunication, probably) to march in and blow that country away. For this reason, the Fed's of that country wound up sneaking in, stealing the guy, and snuck him into the Vatican, after which they handed all governatorial rights over to the Pope. Their excuse:Any man who would DARE convert from our religion must be crazy (Note: all insane people are exempt from muslim law, under muslim law):D

:eek:

Godfire']Y'know, this actually almost happened! (new crusades and all)....Here's the story
(Note: the following is a little bit of background info: in the Muslim religion, anyone who blasphemes, which includes converting, is to be immediately taken to the local mosque and executed. Not only that, but his/her family must do it)
This Muslim guy (I don't remember where) had converted to Catholicism at least a decade ago, and then his brother found out (recently, that is). The brother took him to a mosque, and the locked him up. Turns out that Pope Benedict XIII (or something like that) wound up telling the ruler of that country that to allow that man to be executed would be an act of Genocide against the entirety of Catholicism, and all of the Catholic community would be rallied to arms (under penalty of excommunication, probably) to march in and blow that country away. For this reason, the Fed's of that country wound up sneaking in, stealing the guy, and snuck him into the Vatican, after which they handed all governatorial rights over to the Pope. Their excuse:Any man who would DARE convert from our religion must be crazy (Note: all insane people are exempt from muslim law, under muslim law):D

That's the biggest hunk of crap since communism.

That's the biggest hunk of crap since communism.

Actually he isn't far off. What he wrote happened almost exactly as he described it. Here is one article on it:

Rahman: Certain Death For Converts (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/30/world/main1456246.shtml)

Many Muslims believe, and carry out, capital punishment for Muslims who leave Islam. What is questionable is if that is actually a part of Sharia, because there are two contradicting places in the Quran on the issue - One calls for letting people choose to be Muslims or leave, the other states that those who leave Islam should be killed or deserve to die. So of course moderate Muslims take the former view, and extremists take the latter.

No, I'm speaking of the Pope "mobilizing" the faith under pain of excommunication to liberate the country. He has no such authority over Catholics anywhere beyond his little sanctum in the middle of Rome.

No, I'm speaking of the Pope "mobilizing" the faith under pain of excommunication to liberate the country. He has no such authority over Catholics anywhere beyond his little sanctum in the middle of Rome.

Oh, alright. Yeah, that part was bullshit, I don't think Ratzinger had any intention of getting a Catholic army together.

I'd love to see him send his Papal Swiss Guards down to Afghanistan though. They'd do great with their little halberds. :D

Swiss Guard Picture (http://michaelparker.blogspot.com/swiss%20guards.jpg)

I bet they know Kung-Fu and shit.

Poor Afghanis.

Oh, alright. Yeah, that part was bullshit, I don't think Ratzinger had any intention of getting a Catholic army together.

I'd love to see him send his Papal Swiss Guards down to Afghanistan though. They'd do great with their little halberds. :D

Swiss Guard Picture (http://michaelparker.blogspot.com/swiss%20guards.jpg)

That's the old Swiss Guard. Here's the new upgrade that Pope Benedict is planning to introduce. (http://anthonyjhicks.com/pictures/starwars/imperialguard1.jpg)

Either the trijicon folks have a well-developed and quite blasphemous sense of irony or they're dolts.

Until the matter is settled, I'll stick to EOTech and ELCAN for my optical dreams and needs.

Do we have pictures of these thingies? I want to see if the cutesy-putesy little bible sayings come with pictures of Hello Kitty and her friends, to make the soldiers feel even better. (There's an angel version of Hello Kitty. I know, it's very sad that she died, but now she can inspire the troops.)


http://www.oplionclaws.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=94

America's striking new XM8 in the terrifying SR-14 (SanRio) configuration with ACU mk2 camo in the background.

http://www.oplionclaws.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=94

America's striking new XM8 in the terrifying SR-14 (SanRio) configuration with ACU mk2 camo in the background.
SO CUUUUUUTE!!!

Bastard, I almost collapsed a lung from laughing. :D :D :D

On a more serious note. I hope these gunsights aren't being sent to the coalition forces in Iraq. All we need is for an insurgent to pick one up and then they use one as Exhibit A in "America's New Crusade Against Islam."

On a more serious note. I hope these gunsights aren't being sent to the coalition forces in Iraq. All we need is for an insurgent to pick one up and then they use one as Exhibit A in "America's New Crusade Against Islam."

Thats a good point. In my opinion it also goes to show that gun part makers do view their weapons as tools of a crusade.

On a more serious note. I hope these gunsights aren't being sent to the coalition forces in Iraq. All we need is for an insurgent to pick one up and then they use one as Exhibit A in "America's New Crusade Against Islam."
Notice how nobody actually involved in the war could figure that one out.

On a more serious note. I hope these gunsights aren't being sent to the coalition forces in Iraq. All we need is for an insurgent to pick one up and then they use one as Exhibit A in "America's New Crusade Against Islam."

They are very popular in Iraq. However, I don't think an insurgent will think much of 3 or 4 letters and numbers on the serial number.

http://www.oplionclaws.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=94

America's striking new XM8 in the terrifying SR-14 (SanRio) configuration with ACU mk2 camo in the background.

Bah, we dumped the XM8 program a long time ago. Crappy ballistics from a super short barrel, and the receiver had a tendency to MELT I hear. It's just a rebadged HKg36.

No, dear, the barn is over there.

A "marksman" is someone who can "hit the mark," right? Only, it seems you can't. Not even about this.

Okay, here we go....

(USMC rifle marksmanship ranks0

Marksman-qualifies
Sharpshooter-qualifies very good
Expert-Super shooter

Designated marksman-Not a 'true' sniper, usually armed with a semi-auto rifle in place of the bolt action sniper rifle. Expected to hit the target at extended ranges

Sniper-bolt action rifle, hard core mofo who is expected to shoot targets dead in one shot, hit things at LOOOONG ranges, and in general make things nasty for anyone and anything within 2000 yards.

Notice how nobody actually involved in the war could figure that one out.

Some have known about it. ACOGs are standard issue on some of the USMC rifleman A2/A4 rifles. Most just don't care.

They are very popular in Iraq. However, I don't think an insurgent will think much of 3 or 4 letters and numbers on the serial number.

And you're making the same mistake Rumsfeld did with Iraq: underestimating the opposition. They're not all illiterate suicide bombers out there and all it takes is one smart enough to know those letters and numbers refer to a Biblical verse.

They are very popular in Iraq. However, I don't think an insurgent will think much of 3 or 4 letters and numbers on the serial number.*snip*

Appalling.

That barn still doesn't have a mark on it.

<snip>
Okay, here we go....

(USMC rifle marksmanship ranks0

Marksman-qualifies
Sharpshooter-qualifies very good
Expert-Super shooter

Designated marksman-Not a 'true' sniper, usually armed with a semi-auto rifle in place of the bolt action sniper rifle. Expected to hit the target at extended ranges<snip>
Which you still haven't done. In fact, you keep missing by wider and wider margins. But maybe it's the pathetic attempt at condescension that threw off your...well, aim, for want of a better word. It's always so cute when you cop a high-handed attitude while giving me another perfect (and funny) example of how right I am and how wrong you are. What am I right about? The fact that you couldn't catch a point if it hooked you in the ass. I'm going to go laugh myself to sleep now. 'Bye.

Appalling.
What is appalling about it? That the ACOG offers a soldier equipped with it an over 80 percent accuracy advantage over an opponent who doesn't have one, especially at close combat ranges, or that it happens to have a random Bible verse stamped on it?

If you're close enough to be offended by the Bible verse, you're close enough to get shot in the head.