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Not everyone is a Democrat or Republican, for one reason or another, we've become unhappy with the two major party, and we decide to join a third party. So, what third party do yall belong to?

For me, I am trying to decide between the Libertarian Party, or the Constitution Party.

http://www.constitutionparty.com/

http://www.lp.org/

Anything but the Constitution Party.

The American Party (http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm), or maybe the Patriot Party. I like the Republican ideals, but the people in it, namely Bush with his amnesty, have let me down.

Anything but the Constitution Party.

What, what's wrong with the Constitution Party?

What country is this you talk of?

I know of know Republican, Democratic, or Constitution Party in the UK, the country I assume you are talking about.

This is, after all, a UK hosted forum.

Anything but the Constitution Party.
It might just be the thing for me acually. I just read up on it.

What country is this you talk of?

I know of know Republican, Democratic, or Constitution Party in the UK, the country I assume you are talking about.

This is, after all, a UK hosted forum.
It's the U.S. Wilgrove, as I recall is highly agaist all the Mexicans coming over the border. Mexicans coming into the U.K. aren't a problem, are they?

What country is this you talk of?

I know of know Republican, Democratic, or Constitution Party in the UK, the country I assume you are talking about.

This is, after all, a UK hosted forum.

US.

Proud member of the Green Party.

It's the U.S. Wilgrove, as I recall is highly agaist all the Mexicans coming over the border. Mexicans coming into the U.K. aren't a problem, are they?

But they have something similar to Mexicans, Muslium, and I wasn't against all Mexican coming across the borders, just the illegal ones. The one coming over here without going through the process of legal immigration.

It's the U.S. Wilgrove, as I recall is highly agaist all the Mexicans coming over the border. Mexicans coming into the U.K. aren't a problem, are they?

I don't believe the OP said anything about Mexicans.

Not everyone is a Democrat or Republican, for one reason or another, we've become unhappy with the two major party, and we decide to join a third party. So, what third party do yall belong to?

For me, I am trying to decide between the Libertarian Party, or the Constitution Party.

http://www.constitutionparty.com/

http://www.lp.org/

Nope.

How about that.

US.
Well, you should have said, seeing as this is a British hosted forum, run by an Australian, and with an international membership.

The constitution party is INSANE!! They want to:
1) Revamp the education system! "All teaching is related to basic assumptions about God and man. Education as a whole, therefore, cannot be separated from religious faith. The law of our Creator assigns the authority and responsibility of educating children to their parents. Education should be free from all federal government subsidies, including vouchers, tax incentives, and loans, except with respect to veterans." Yes, you read that right. They want to abolish the department of education and the public education system and allow creationism to be taught instead of science. Yeah, that's a good idea.

2) Revamp AIDS treatment! "Under no circumstances should the federal government continue to subsidize activities which have the effect of encouraging perverted or promiscuous sexual conduct. Criminal penalties should apply to those whose willful acts of omission or commission place members of the public at risk of contracting HIV / AIDS." That's right, people with AIDS are immoral criminals and should die for their sins!

3) Revamp Environmentalism! "We also call for repeal of federal wetlands legislation and the federal Endangered Species Act. Moreover, we oppose any attempt to designate private or public property as United Nations World Heritage sites or Biosphere reserves." That's right, national parks are a threat to private enterprise! Bambi must die!

4) Revamp the tax system! "We propose legislation to abolish the Internal Revenue Service, and will veto any authorization, appropriation, or continuing resolution which contains any funding whatsoever for that illicit and unconstitutional agency. We are opposed to the flat-rate tax, national sales tax, and value added tax proposals that are being promoted as an improvement to the current tax system." No more taxes! Tarrifs only! Just like in the slavery days!

These guys are NUTS!!!

Anything but the Constitution Party.
Anything? (http://www.americannaziparty.com/)

The constitution party is INSANE!! They want to:
1) Revamp the education system! "All teaching is related to basic assumptions about God and man. Education as a whole, therefore, cannot be separated from religious faith. The law of our Creator assigns the authority and responsibility of educating children to their parents. Education should be free from all federal government subsidies, including vouchers, tax incentives, and loans, except with respect to veterans." Yes, you read that right. They want to abolish the department of education and the public education system and allow creationism to be taught instead of science. Yeah, that's a good idea.

2) Revamp AIDS treatment! "Under no circumstances should the federal government continue to subsidize activities which have the effect of encouraging perverted or promiscuous sexual conduct. Criminal penalties should apply to those whose willful acts of omission or commission place members of the public at risk of contracting HIV / AIDS." That's right, people with AIDS are immoral criminals and should die for their sins!

3) Revamp Environmentalism! "We also call for repeal of federal wetlands legislation and the federal Endangered Species Act. Moreover, we oppose any attempt to designate private or public property as United Nations World Heritage sites or Biosphere reserves." That's right, national parks are a threat to private enterprise! Bambi must die!

4) Revamp the tax system! "We propose legislation to abolish the Internal Revenue Service, and will veto any authorization, appropriation, or continuing resolution which contains any funding whatsoever for that illicit and unconstitutional agency. We are opposed to the flat-rate tax, national sales tax, and value added tax proposals that are being promoted as an improvement to the current tax system." No more taxes! Tarrifs only! Just like in the slavery days!

These guys are NUTS!!!
The "slavery days"? You act las if we must have slaves in order to not have to income-tax. WRONG! Simply cut welfare, foreign-aid, and a number of other stupid programs.

The "slavery days"? You act las if we must have slaves in order to not have to income-tax. WRONG! Simply cut welfare, foreign-aid, and a number of other stupid programs.

Like social security, the public health system, and ENTIRE EDUCATION SYSTEM. Then they'd really be "stoopid programs"!

Seriously, did you even read this? This rubbish is barely worth the paper (or cathode rays) it was printed on.

Anything? (http://www.americannaziparty.com/)
There seems little difference between the USAmerican Constitution Party and the USAmerican Nazi Party.

Like social security, the public health system, and ENTIRE EDUCATION SYSTEM. Then they'd really be "stoopid programs"!

Seriously, did you even read this? This rubbish is barely worth the paper (or cathode rays) it was printed on.
Social security? Public Health? ENTIRE EDUCATION SYSTEM? I beleive there is a difference between these, and National, and International welfare.

There seems little difference between the USAmerican Constitution Party and the USAmerican Nazi Party.
Little difference? Boy buddy, I truly hope you know you're exaggerating a tad. You are comparing a political party, that's mostly based on the constitution, to Nazis. That's like comparing Bush to Hitler, America with WW2 Germany. If oyu were exaggerating for effect, you're forgiven because I do it occasionally too. But if you were serious...WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!

Social security? Public Health? ENTIRE EDUCATION SYSTEM? I beleive ther eis a difference between these, and National, and International welfare.

Constitution party doesn't think so! Just in case you missed it the first time...

"the United States Department of Education should be abolished; all federal legislation related to education should be repealed. No federal laws subsidizing or regulating the education of children should be enacted. Under no circumstances should the federal government be involved in national teacher certification, educational curricula, textbook selection, learning standards, comprehensive sex education, psychological and psychiatric research testing programs, and personnel." -education system

"The Constitution Party opposes the governmentalization and bureaucratization of American medicine. Government regulation and subsidy constitutes a threat to both the quality and availability of patient-oriented health care and treatment...We advocate, therefore, the elimination of the federal Food and Drug Administration" - public health

"The Constitution grants no authority to the federal government to administrate a Social Security system. The Constitution Party advocates phasing out the entire Social Security program" - social security

As I said, these guys are nuts. You can find all this, word for word, at their website. http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php#Social%20Security

I don't know. I think giving the Constitution party a decade to warp things might be funny. I don't imagine they'd last that long before suicidally crashing into a brick wall named Habit.

OQ: Libertarian.

Constitution party doesn't think so! Just in case you missed it the first time...

"the United States Department of Education should be abolished; all federal legislation related to education should be repealed. No federal laws subsidizing or regulating the education of children should be enacted. Under no circumstances should the federal government be involved in national teacher certification, educational curricula, textbook selection, learning standards, comprehensive sex education, psychological and psychiatric research testing programs, and personnel." -education system

"The Constitution Party opposes the governmentalization and bureaucratization of American medicine. Government regulation and subsidy constitutes a threat to both the quality and availability of patient-oriented health care and treatment...We advocate, therefore, the elimination of the federal Food and Drug Administration" - public health

"The Constitution grants no authority to the federal government to administrate a Social Security system. The Constitution Party advocates phasing out the entire Social Security program" - social security

As I said, these guys are nuts. You can find all this, word for word, at their website. http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php#Social%20Security
Home-schooled children are not subject to interaction with the bad-kids, thereby making them better people.

The FDA stands for "F---ing dumb-a--s".

Social security...pensions... Social Security and pensions are differnt, correct?

The "slavery days"? You act las if we must have slaves in order to not have to income-tax. WRONG! Simply cut welfare, foreign-aid, and a number of other stupid programs.

Welfare is not stupid, foreign aid, well maybe that can be adjusted to the most poor countries, that need it the most.

Welfare is not stupid, foreign aid, well maybe that can be adjusted to the most poor countries, that need it the most.
How long does one have to look before he sees a "help wanted" sign? If welfare shouldn't be cut entirely, it needs to be EXTREMELY lowered. Foreign aid is mandatory charity, nothing more.

1. Home-schooled children are not subject to interaction with the bad-kids, thereby making them better people.

2. The FDA stands for "F---ing dumb-a--s".

3. Social security...pensions... Social Security and pensions are differnt, correct?

This barely merits a response (I should just shout "flip-flopper" and laugh at the irony), but whatever. I added the numbers for brevity.

1) If you disband the education system, enrollment will drastically decrease. Pop quiz - who's usually smarter and better prepared for life, someone in school or someone who's never had any schooling whatsoever? And what makes you think that it's a bad thing to have professionals teach our kids? They've had years of schooling in order to know how to handle course material and the students themselves. There's no reason to remove the certification process unless you believe that ignorance is bliss (quite common in the USA).

2) The FDA was created to protect the consumer, and that's what it does. Before the FDA, common "cures" for overactive little kids included pot, morphine, crack, tar, alchohal, "snake oil", tobacco. If you want to go see a which doctor and take untested, unregulated drugs, then whatever - you can do that under our current system, there's nothing preventing you. It just won't be FDA certified. Then, of course, those miracle diet pills of yours might just turn out to be the heads of tapeworms and other parasites that will then grow in your intestinal tract (true story).

3) I don't even know what you're getting at here, so I won't assume anything and I'll agree that social security is "differnt" from pensions. I'd also like to add that people sometimes like to change jobs...

How long does one have to look before he sees a "help wanted" sign? If welfare shouldn't be cut entirely, it needs to be EXTREMELY lowered. Foreign aid is mandatory charity, nothing more.

You never read Dicken's "A Christmas Carol" as kid, did you?

I'm almost afraid to ask, but what on earth is the rationale for refusing to help someone in need? Are you really that selfish?

I'm a member of The Greens (http://www.vic.greens.org.au/content/).

You never read Dicken's "A Christmas Carol" as kid, did you?

I'm almost afraid to ask, but what on earth is the rationale for refusing to help someone in need? Are you really that selfish?
No, charity is good. I give money to it. But MANDATORY charity...taking money away from the taxpayers, and giving it to someone else is wrong. Scrooge is stealing, then giving away? I think you're asking if I ever read Robin Hood, aren't you?

The Constitution Party amuse me (it's safe to be amused by them, because there's no chance of them getting anywhere - unlike the BNP in the UK). Their basic principle is "one rule for us, another for everyone else". So no federal laws on anything they disagree with (tax, gun control, education), but federal laws on things they agree with (abortion bans, illegal immigration, sodomy laws). They're for protecting the environment...by withdrawing from every single international environmental agreement the US has ever signed. Personally, I most of all like their idea of making suicide illegal. Because I think that really shows how they are the party of the new, progressive Republic that escaped European medievalism.

No, charity is good. I give money to it. But MANDATORY charity...taking money away from the taxpayers, and giving it to someone else is wrong. Scrooge is stealing, then giving away? I think you're asking if I ever read Robin Hood, aren't you?

Taxation isn't stealing. There's nothing preventing you from leaving, if you'd rather not contribute to society while you are able to. The federal programs we enact are maintained for the good of ALL of American Society, ideally. Library systems, roads, schools, cheap gas, homeless shelters, state/national parks, an organised sewer system and power system - all of these things take public funds and use them for the public benefit. It's only compulsory if you think it's a society worth participating in. Personally, I've enjoyed far more luxury than I should - being born a US citizen is not a mandate to reap the benefits of imperial hubris. We should give more to the society that has given us everything, and even more so to the world that we have taken everything from.

Third parties are a complete waste of time. And if anybody out there thinks that a leftist third party candidate could win an election let me remind you that the last time a liberal third party candidate won a single state was LaFollette in 1924 ( Wisconsin). In 1948 in 1968 right wingers Strom Thurmond and George Wallace took a piece of the South. I simply cannot picture a third party candidate winning a Presidential election. 1% of the Senate is Independent and .2% of the House is Independent. It is hopeless with a captial H.

What, what's wrong with the Constitution Party?

You mean, besides the fact their concern with the US constitution basicly is "lets wipe our asses with it" ?