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If there ever will be an X-Men 4 (I kinda doubt it, seeing how X-Men 3 kinda left me dissapointed), but for the sake of argument let's just say there will be an X-Men 4. What would you like to see happen?

Just to make things fair, at the beginning it would be nice to see Mysquite get her powers back and then kick the crap out of Magneto for abandoning her like that.

I would like to see Xavier come back, which of course he will, but I would much rather him be the wheelchair Xavier played by Patrick Stewart.

Scott, eh I don't really care what happens to him.

I would like to see Rogue regain her powers and realize that you can't escape your destiny. She was destined to be a mutant and destined to be an X-men.

I think Jean is gone for good, but it would be a nice suprise to see her come back and get Xavier to help her with her powers.

and that's all I can think of right now.

i don't see it happening.. but if they do, they have to bring in Gambit.. Gambit is my all time favorite, how they left him out i don't know

how this was the last one i don't understand because Gene was phoenix quite a bit throughout the tv series ect ect

If there ever will be an X-Men 4 (I kinda doubt it, seeing how X-Men 3 kinda left me dissapointed), but for the sake of argument let's just say there will be an X-Men 4. What would you like to see happen?

Just to make things fair, at the beginning it would be nice to see Mysquite get her powers back and then kick the crap out of Magneto for abandoning her like that.

I would like to see Xavier come back, which of course he will, but I would much rather him be the wheelchair Xavier played by Patrick Stewart.

Scott, eh I don't really care what happens to him.

I would like to see Rogue regain her powers and realize that you can't escape your destiny. She was destined to be a mutant and destined to be an X-men.

I think Jean is gone for good, but it would be a nice suprise to see her come back and get Xavier to help her with her powers.

and that's all I can think of right now.
I don't think Mystique was actually abandoned, she worked with the brotherhood to set up that decoy camp with all them clones. But that's just the way I interpreted it.
I think X-men 4 will be called Magnetos Revenge or something. When he gets his powers back he is so going after Wolvers. And the humans, as usual. Magneto is cool. :cool: I hope Nightcrawler is back, and plenty of new characters of course. I hoping to see Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. That would be interesting. And Jean Grey should come back...she always does.

I'm all for Magneto roasting humanity some more!
He's one of my favourite villains of all time

You dumb fuck, slap a big fucking [SPOILER] sign on the start of this. I haven't seen X-3 yet.

You dumb fuck, slap a big fucking [SPOILER] sign on the start of this. I haven't seen X-3 yet.
Well duh! Why did you read this then? I only saw it today, but I had the sence to avoid all the X-men threads I saw before. Erm...sorry for being rude. :rolleyes:

Don't you know who they should bring back? The juggernaut, bitch! :D

Well duh! Why did you read this then? I only saw it today, but I had the sence to avoid all the X-men threads I saw before. Erm...sorry for being rude. :rolleyes:
Yeah, but it's common courtesy. And also:

http://realjuggernaut.ytmnd.com/

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Most of thats wishful thinking right there. But 3 was disappointing indeed.

*SPOILER ALERT*

Killing of Xavier was one of the lamest parts of the plot, if he came back (to life) in 4 it wouldn't be relealistic, but I wouldn't care, I don't believe it would detract from the movie in any way. He was a key character, it can only strengthen the film provided it is done in a not-too-corny way.

It was a bit lame that Rogue chose to become normal, but this doesn't bother me too much, I would rather they focused / expanded on cool characters, like Wolverine and possibly Angel, who probably didn't get more than 5 minutes screen time.

And not too much teen stuff. I don't want to see a mutant version of the OC, I want to see originality, not love triangles here there and everywhere......well there were only 2 I can think of, but thats 2 too many, they were lame.

The director did really go on a powertrip with Jean, too much so. And she just stood beside magneto looking moody for the most part. Her evil alter ego could've been developed a bit more, rather than just destroying stuff and looking demonic. Nothing could stop her, it was so lame.......I mean whats the point........... she was much better in 2. In 4 she should be weaker again, and overcome her evilness.
In the comics she has an even more powerful brother....so there is some potential for non-pointless character introduction there.


They did call it "the last stand", but there still is an outside chance they could make 4, at the end of some of my friends claimed to (I didn't) see a chess peice shaking slightly under magneto's hand, hinting at the chance of 4 being made.

And if they do make 4, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD don't let Ratner direct. He does crap things with the plot / though he didn't let down on the SFX front.

Don't you know who they should bring back? The juggernaut, bitch! :D
Yeah, he was ace in X-men 3. You man-bitch! You sexually confused dog!

at the end of some of my friends claimed to (I didn't) see a chess peice shaking slightly under magneto's hand, hinting at the chance of 4 being made.

I saw that. It definately happened! :)

You dumb fuck, slap a big fucking [SPOILER] sign on the start of this. I haven't seen X-3 yet.

1) Warned for flaming.
2) They are discussing a possible X-4. Who WOULDN'T realize X-3 might be discussed?

Xmen 3 was not a total disaster of a movie. I confess I was disappointed considering how good the last two films were but I think we all have to accept that sequels to films may not turn out as good as we want them to. There should be an Xmen 4 but they should bring back Bryan Singer as director and hopefully get the Xmen movie franchise back on track.

Well, first of all, Xavier is obviously back. And it's so not lame, I think it's pretty awesome actually.

I think they'll really start to notice that the cure was temporary, hopefully as a result of this, Rogue will get her other powers by accident and she can finally kick some ass instead of just pissing and moaning about her one power that is kinda really sucky for her.

I really wouldn't mind if they brought in Sinister, that's the only way I can see them bringing back Jean and Cyclopse, plus really, there's been enough with Magneto and the Brotherhood for now, we need some real bad guys (not just semi-bad guys... fighting the same cause in a different way) I don't really care if they bring back Jean and Cyclopse, but it would be worth having to deal with Scott again if that meant getting to see Sinister in action.

It would also be nice if they bring Gambit in.

Killing of Xavier was one of the lamest parts of the plot, if he came back (to life) in 4 it wouldn't be relealistic, but I wouldn't care, I don't believe it would detract from the movie in any way. He was a key character, it can only strengthen the film provided it is done in a not-too-corny way.
You didn't stay for the bit after the credits, did you?

There will be an X-men 4. Fox has confirmed it actually, i wish i could find the link, as soon as i do i'll post it for you all.

SPOILER

they showed that the cure is just temporary because magneto moved the chess peice at the end of the movie. Also if you stay in the theater after the movie, once the credits are finished there is a short maybe 10 second clip, showing that Prof. X has transfered his mind into another body and is trapped there. Myra Taggert is his doctor.

Answers to follow up questions you probably have...

Why call it the last stand?
The last stand represents the end of the original X-men (Jean and Cyclops are both gone) and now its time for new leaders Storm and Wolverine to step up and have Ice-man, Kitty Pryde (shadow cat) and Rouge following them.

The next story line...?
I don't know all the details of it but i know it involves Sinister and that whole kind of time/space period.

The future of the x-men movies?
Believe it or not Fox is talking about making 10 X-men movies... this is highly unlikely that they are planning that far ahead. They may be talking about it but i guarantee nothing will be confirmed or set up this far in advance... also if this really does happen i think we should all pray for the return of Bryan Singer. They are also making a Wolverine movie ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458525/ ) which i'm sure you all already know, and they are also in Production of a Magneto spin off, ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499519/ ). both of which are scheduled for a 2007 release but will no doubt be pushed back.

http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/2006/01/fox_confirms_xmen_4.html
thats the link for the confirmation of X-men 4... i found a few other sites giving more detail but i can't find them now.

As far as i know all fo this information is true... and i believe it to be. but if anyone finds news or reports that something is false please post it. I would like to be able to keep up on all the current information just like you all do.

-MIKE

All I know is if they come out with another they will have to explain alot.

If Jean does come back, she would have to come back after Xavier comes back, that way Xavier can help her with her powers. However, does it seem to me that they replaced some of the good X-men (Jean, Scott) with second rate one? I mean comon, Jean would so own Kitty, and Scott would so own Iceman. It just feels like Kitty and Iceman are second string.

Uh, I'm pretty sure I watched Hugh Jackman state the other night that there will be -no more- X-men movies. However, he and Fox have firm plans to do at least one movie that touches on the Wolverine stories.

I may be wrong, but I remember watching that, plus I know that Halle Barry and that Romijn chick said they were both done with X-men, as they don't want to be remembered exclusively as 'Storm' or 'The naked blue chick'.

I've got no links to back this up, not even cheesy movie review links, and I can't be bothered to look, but I'm sure there's a search-monkey already on top of it.

One word: APOCALYPSE! :cool:

I haven't accually seen the movie yet, but if there wasn't Genosha, or Savage land in it, then they missed a good oppertunity. I want to see: A: Apocalypse, and his Four Hoursemen, B: Genosha, and C: Savage Land. I really wanted those in X-Men Legends 2, and I got them. I want to see them on the big-screen now.

There will be an X-men 4. Fox has confirmed it actually, i wish i could find the link, as soon as i do i'll post it for you all.

SPOILER

they showed that the cure is just temporary because magneto moved the chess peice at the end of the movie. Also if you stay in the theater after the movie, once the credits are finished there is a short maybe 10 second clip, showing that Prof. X has transfered his mind into another body and is trapped there. Myra Taggert is his doctor.

Answers to follow up questions you probably have...

Why call it the last stand?
The last stand represents the end of the original X-men (Jean and Cyclops are both gone) and now its time for new leaders Storm and Wolverine to step up and have Ice-man, Kitty Pryde (shadow cat) and Rouge following them.

The next story line...?
I don't know all the details of it but i know it involves Sinister and that whole kind of time/space period.

The future of the x-men movies?
Believe it or not Fox is talking about making 10 X-men movies... this is highly unlikely that they are planning that far ahead. They may be talking about it but i guarantee nothing will be confirmed or set up this far in advance... also if this really does happen i think we should all pray for the return of Bryan Singer. They are also making a Wolverine movie ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458525/ ) which i'm sure you all already know, and they are also in Production of a Magneto spin off, ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499519/ ). both of which are scheduled for a 2007 release but will no doubt be pushed back.

http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/2006/01/fox_confirms_xmen_4.html
thats the link for the confirmation of X-men 4... i found a few other sites giving more detail but i can't find them now.

As far as i know all fo this information is true... and i believe it to be. but if anyone finds news or reports that something is false please post it. I would like to be able to keep up on all the current information just like you all do.

-MIKEDidn't guy say "he obviously didn't know The Return of the King was the end of the Lord of the Rings series"? Well if you count The Hobbit, which I'm sure will come out, then it IS the end of a saga, but not a series.

If Jean does come back, she would have to come back after Xavier comes back, that way Xavier can help her with her powers. However, does it seem to me that they replaced some of the good X-men (Jean, Scott) with second rate one? I mean comon, Jean would so own Kitty, and Scott would so own Iceman. It just feels like Kitty and Iceman are second string.
Scott is a pussy, I've never liked him in any media. I don't like Iceman too much either, but that's another matter.

I will watch X-men 4... but only if they have ninjas! :cool:

I will watch X-men 4... but only if they have ninjas! :cool:

Well, they already did in Lady DeathStrike...

I will watch X-men 4... but only if they have ninjas! :cool:
What if they get Chuck Norris to play one of the characters?

What if they get Chuck Norris to play one of the characters?

But then it would be over in 1 second!

Go back and watch the movie. Then stay till the end of the credits. You'll see Xavier in a hospital, and Moira from earlier in the movie, who was his fiance, saw him again. So might want to go back and double check it out ;)

I suppose it being X-Men they could do something to make the characters come back to life yes? Well any further movies better have the same actors. They had a hard enough time keeping Halle Berry for 3 and I bet Patrick Stewart would be a hard sell to come back as well.

Besides "Last Stand" gives the idea of the final movie.

But then it would be over in 1 second!
But that 1 second would be worth it! :D

possible plotline for X-IV. (Quickly thrown together.)

Baised on the Nightmares of Futures Past storyline.

the last remains of the X-men battle Sentinels in the ruins of New York. they reach the hidden lab of Forge, who reveals his Quantim Time device. their purpose is to send one person back into time to prevent the murder of the President by a band of Rouge Mutants (the Marauders.) During a battle in the lab with Government forces in powered Armor, Kitty is thrown through the device, sending her Psyche back to her former self.

Present day:
In Order to keep the school running, Storm as asked the past students for help. Elizabeth Braddock (Psylocke) Remus LeBeu (Gambit) and Shiro Yoshida (Sunfire) has agreed to come to the school to be part time teachers but not to be X-men.

later:
a lone mutant stumbles into the mansion, calling for help. Due to the defeat of Calisto and her gange, the "tribe" the Mutants that live in the sewers and tunnels of Washington DC are being massecred by an unknown force. The X-men go in and tangle with the Marauders. At this time, Future Kitty enters the Psyche of Present Kitty.

While dealing with the survivors that they rescued. News reports about Mutants running rampant hit's the news. (the other survivors fleeing the massecre.) and panic is growing. F-Kitty explains that this is just a diversion for an attack on the Nation's Capitol. with the death of the President and Vice President at the hands of these Muties, the future that F-Kitty is from comes to pass.

The X-men then fly off to intercept the assassination group. meanwhile, a para military group called the Sons of Purity move on the mansion because of rumors that Muties are sheltered there. the paltry human force is detected and repelled by Psylocke, Gambit and Sunfire

and In Washington, you have the X-men encountering and defeating The Maraudeers. during which, a now Human Rouge gets involved in the fight and her powers return with a vengence. she permently absorbs three of the Marauders and gains her powers of Flight, Partial Invulerability, and Super strength. F- Kitty manages to stop the assination with the help of an now Repowered Mystique. (who still hurts from Magneto's abandonment.) With the death of her Future, F-Kitty's psyche fades... leaving a dazed and confused P-Kitty.

The X-men + Rouge return to the mansion where the three sub teachers non chalantly accept Posistions at the school at a full-time basis.... not explaining why the change of heart.

meanwhile the Movie ends with the President offering Mystique a position in a new, Government run group. (Freedom Force)

---

now this is just the major plotline. the nuances like Rouge finding out she no longer feels like she belongs with the Mutants leaves to find her place in the world, and the history of Gambit, Psylocke and Sunfire would be touched upon but not the focus.

Nightcrawler, who joined the underground mutant tribe to be their spiritual leader can make a re-appearance... in fact, his teleporting power makes him the perfect one to cal for the X-men.

the beauty of this is that if they want, they can remove storm by taking away her powers (and she can come back later)

you have the tenure of Storm leading the school thus you don't need Prof X coming back from the dead just yet.

give Magneto-as-the-villian a break, and introduce new characters to carry on the franchise.

well... this was hasetly cobbled together... but your opinions?

Jean = Pheonix. What do Pheonixes do? Come back to life. :) This is a movie based on a comic book. Comic books have gigantic reset buttons - Magneto will get his powers back, Scott, Jean and Xavier are still alive.

By their very nature, comic books appeal to the popularity of their characters. If they're popular, they'll make a comeback.

P.S. Am I the only person who laughed out loud at the old windbag BURSTING?

Jean = Pheonix. What do Pheonixes do? Come back to life. :) This is a movie based on a comic book. Comic books have gigantic reset buttons - Magneto will get his powers back, Scott, Jean and Xavier are still alive.

By their very nature, comic books appeal to the popularity of their characters. If they're popular, they'll make a comeback.

P.S. Am I the only person who laughed out loud at the old windbag BURSTING?

Eh, I laughed when Juggernaut said: "Don't you know who I am? I'm The Juggernaut Bitch!" :D

possible plotline for X-IV. (Quickly thrown together.)

Baised on the Nightmares of Futures Past storyline.

the last remains of the X-men battle Sentinels in the ruins of New York. they reach the hidden lab of Forge, who reveals his Quantim Time device. their purpose is to send one person back into time to prevent the murder of the President by a band of Rouge Mutants (the Marauders.) During a battle in the lab with Government forces in powered Armor, Kitty is thrown through the device, sending her Psyche back to her former self.

Present day:
In Order to keep the school running, Storm as asked the past students for help. Elizabeth Braddock (Psylocke) Remus LeBeu (Gambit) and Shiro Yoshida (Sunfire) has agreed to come to the school to be part time teachers but not to be X-men.

later:
a lone mutant stumbles into the mansion, calling for help. Due to the defeat of Calisto and her gange, the "tribe" the Mutants that live in the sewers and tunnels of Washington DC are being massecred by an unknown force. The X-men go in and tangle with the Marauders. At this time, Future Kitty enters the Psyche of Present Kitty.

While dealing with the survivors that they rescued. News reports about Mutants running rampant hit's the news. (the other survivors fleeing the massecre.) and panic is growing. F-Kitty explains that this is just a diversion for an attack on the Nation's Capitol. with the death of the President and Vice President at the hands of these Muties, the future that F-Kitty is from comes to pass.

The X-men then fly off to intercept the assassination group. meanwhile, a para military group called the Sons of Purity move on the mansion because of rumors that Muties are sheltered there. the paltry human force is detected and repelled by Psylocke, Gambit and Sunfire

and In Washington, you have the X-men encountering and defeating The Maraudeers. during which, a now Human Rouge gets involved in the fight and her powers return with a vengence. she permently absorbs three of the Marauders and gains her powers of Flight, Partial Invulerability, and Super strength. F- Kitty manages to stop the assination with the help of an now Repowered Mystique. (who still hurts from Magneto's abandonment.) With the death of her Future, F-Kitty's psyche fades... leaving a dazed and confused P-Kitty.

The X-men + Rouge return to the mansion where the three sub teachers non chalantly accept Posistions at the school at a full-time basis.... not explaining why the change of heart.

meanwhile the Movie ends with the President offering Mystique a position in a new, Government run group. (Freedom Force)

---

now this is just the major plotline. the nuances like Rouge finding out she no longer feels like she belongs with the Mutants leaves to find her place in the world, and the history of Gambit, Psylocke and Sunfire would be touched upon but not the focus.

Nightcrawler, who joined the underground mutant tribe to be their spiritual leader can make a re-appearance... in fact, his teleporting power makes him the perfect one to cal for the X-men.

the beauty of this is that if they want, they can remove storm by taking away her powers (and she can come back later)

you have the tenure of Storm leading the school thus you don't need Prof X coming back from the dead just yet.

give Magneto-as-the-villian a break, and introduce new characters to carry on the franchise.

well... this was hasetly cobbled together... but your opinions?
That sounds pretty damned awesome, to be honest. A slight lack of Patrick Stewart is the only problem, but then, it makes sense to leave him out for a movie or two.

Wilgrove: Who didn't? That was one of the single best lines anyone has ever heard in ANYTHING!

imo, they screwed up with X3.
Really, the whole movie should have been solely about them fighting Phoenix - with Magneto and his Brotherhood fighting alongside the X-Men.
Then the destruction wrought in the climatic battle between Phoenix and the mutants would have been the catalyst for the humans to develop the 'cure' and the Sentinels, paving the way for an awesome X4.

But sadly, that's not the case.

So if there is an X4, I'd like to see:

Mystique regain her powers and join the X-Men, because of the way Magneto abandoned her like that.

Cyclops (much as I dislike his character) to be found alive, but he loses it because of Jean's death, especially when he finds out what Xavier had done prior and that Wolverine killed her. He ends up joining with Magneto and fighting against the X-Men.

Way less Wolverine and Rogue. Rogue was just boring and annoying in X3 and without her Ms Marvel powers isn't really up to much. Wolverine was good, but was in way too many scenes. They have so many awesome characters there, yet we barely got to see them.

Prof X to return. Maybe after his transference, they could clone him somehow. Otherwise it just wouldn't work, with someone else pretending to be Xavier. Maybe in the comics but not on the big screen.

Nightcrawler to return, and maybe they could clear up about the relationship between him and Mystique. It was hinted at several times in the comics they were related, but I dtopped reading them before it was ever explained (if it ever was).

More Juggernaut!!!

I doubt it.. I highly doubt it.

Anna Paquin is a NZ'er though, so I kinda want her to do well.

Maybe they can look into the fact that Juggarnaut and Xavier are brothers.

Do they still make X-Men comic books?

Maybe they can look into the fact that Juggarnaut and Xavier are brothers.

Do they still make X-Men comic books?
They're Step-brothers. But I doubt it.
They changed Juggers for the film.
In the comic, he's not a mutant. He found an ancient cursed gem that gave him his powers and made him evil (though he was a bastard before that anyway).
It would have been too difficult and convoluted to explain that on screen.
That said, I was happy with the result. They basically kept to character with him.

Speaking of brothers, maybe they could also bring in Havok, Cyclops younger brother.

Xavier is back, they showed it after the credits.

The 'cure' wore off or something from Magneto, so the same should happen to Rogue and Mystique.

I thought the movie was very good. Phoenix could've been developed more, but there's really not all that much you can develop when all she really does is go nuts and flip out and kill everything. Not a very deep personality, hm?

The fourth one would have to include Apocolypse, with the ending of it being made like everything seems to be lost and Apocolypse is about to destroy the world, then Phoenix comes out of nowhere and the movie ends.

For those of you not in the know, Phoenix was the one that stopped him in the cartoon series.

That would open it way up for a fifth movie being the resolution, and Magneto working together with the X-Men and Jean learning to control Phoenix and use her power to destroy Apocolypse.



.. But yeah, I don't really give a shit if Cyclops comes back. He was a douche. A boring douche. But Gambit, yes. He's awesome as hell. Gambit and Jubilee, for good measure.


Also, what good could Angel do? He's mostly symbolism, he has no actual offensive or defensive capabilities, he's just got wings. He'd get killed easily.

Also, what good could Angel do? He's mostly symbolism, he has no actual offensive or defensive capabilities, he's just got wings. He'd get killed easily.

Eh, Angel would get killed during Duck Season, they would use it in X4 for humor.

Logan: Well, he got shot by the vice President during his duck hunting

Storm: Wow

Logan: Not the first time he shot a human being.

:p

Still no answear to my question if they still make X-Men comic books.

Eh, Angel would get killed during Duck Season, they would use it in X4 for humor.

Logan: Well, he got shot by the vice President during his duck hunting

Storm: Wow

Logan: Not the first time he shot a human being.

:p

Still no answear to my question if they still make X-Men comic books.

Lol.


I think they still do. Google doesn't give a definitive answer, though, not one I could find.

But yeah, I can't imagine Angel doing anything. Unless, of course, he's got some kind of holy aura power we don't know about. His character hasn't really been developed all that well, and I didn't see too much of him in the cartoon.

One: What Xavier did to Jean was unforgivable. The fact that he managed to cheat death is a cosmic injustice that must be remedied.

Two: Archangel gets his actual offensive and defensive capabilities from being altered by Apocolipse.

Three: If there is a third movie, Apocolipse must be the primary villain this time. They overdid Magneto as the villain, especially considering he was more sympathetic than Xavier (I hate that man so much) this movie.

Four: When the pheonix rises from the ashes of X-3, she must tear down the mental barriers Xavier's meddling put up and reunify her personality.

Five: Rogue should definately get the inadvertent power up because she didn't know the cure wasn't permanent.

Six: (spoiler) They actually do reveal Nightcrawler's relation to Mystique in the cartoon series at least. She's his mother, and abandoned him at birth so that her own secret of being a mutant wouldn't be discovered by the people she had been hiding among.

Oh and once again, Xavier must die.

One: What Xavier did to Jean was unforgivable. The fact that he managed to cheat death is a cosmic injustice that must be remedied.

Two: Archangel gets his actual offensive and defensive capabilities from being altered by Apocolipse.

Three: If there is a third movie, Apocolipse must be the primary villain this time. They overdid Magneto as the villain, especially considering he was more sympathetic than Xavier (I hate that man so much) this movie.

Four: When the pheonix rises from the ashes of X-3, she must tear down the mental barriers Xavier's meddling put up and reunify her personality.

Five: Rogue should definately get the inadvertent power up because she didn't know the cure wasn't permanent.

Six: (spoiler) They actually do reveal Nightcrawler's relation to Mystique in the cartoon series at least. She's his mother, and abandoned him at birth so that her own secret of being a mutant wouldn't be discovered by the people she had been hiding among.

Oh and once again, Xavier must die.

Xavier put those mental barriers up because Phoniex was too powerful for Jean, and she wasn't ready for them yet.

Six: (spoiler) They actually do reveal Nightcrawler's relation to Mystique in the cartoon series at least. She's his mother, and abandoned him at birth so that her own secret of being a mutant wouldn't be discovered by the people she had been hiding among.
Hmmm...that's different from the comics. In there his mother was a witch. Though when he finally talks to Mystique, she tells him to ask his mother about who she is. And then nothing was ever mentioned about it for years, and I finally gave up reading them.
I always assumed they were siblings, sperated at birth.

Yeah, you saw Jean when she was a kid. Randomly lifting everything in the neighborhood? What a fucking brat.

And I'm assuming you mean "if they make a fourth movie". Yeah, I submitted the idea of Apocolypse being the main villain in the fourth one. It'd make sense.

Hmmm...that's different from the comics. In there his mother was a witch. Though when he finally talks to Mystique, she tells him to ask his mother about who she is. And then nothing was ever mentioned about it for years, and I finally gave up reading them.
I always assumed they were siblings, sperated at birth.

Yeah they seem to be the same age in the movie. It'd be awkward for her to be the guy's mother... she had him when she was like 9. :p

Yeah, you saw Jean when she was a kid. Randomly lifting everything in the neighborhood? What a fucking brat.
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Did you see the garden hose guy during that scene?! Guess who that was!

Spoiler: Stan Lee

Xavier put those mental barriers up because Phoniex was too powerful for Jean, and she wasn't ready for them yet.
There was no Pheonix until Xavier created those mental barriers.

Jean was a powerful mutant, no doubt, but the fact of the matter is that no matter how potentially dangerous she could be, she was made a thousand times more dangerous by separating the part of her mind that thinks rationally from the part of her mind that controls her powers.

Remember, that before Xavier screwed with her head, she was at least functional. Her parrents were concerned, but no more so than the parents of any other mutant. Jean herself wasn't a bad girl, and didn't use her powers for wanton destruction until Xavier's incompotent brainwashing.

And if she really was that dangerous, kill her. There is no excuse for mentally raping someone, for any reason.

There was no Pheonix until Xavier created those mental barriers.

Jean was a powerful mutant, no doubt, but the fact of the matter is that no matter how potentially dangerous she could be, she was made a thousand times more dangerous by separating the part of her mind that thinks rationally from the part of her mind that controls her powers.

Remember, that before Xavier screwed with her head, she was at least functional. Her parrents were concerned, but no more so than the parents of any other mutant. Jean herself wasn't a bad girl, and didn't use her powers for wanton destruction until Xavier's incompotent brainwashing.

And if she really was that dangerous, kill her. There is no excuse for mentally raping someone, for any reason.

But, what if killing her was impossible? She already came back once, and she'll come back again in X4.

Yeah they seem to be the same age in the movie. It'd be awkward for her to be the guy's mother... she had him when she was like 9. :p
Remember that Mistique is a shape shifter. That makes her age harder to determine than Wolverine's. In the cartoon series, it was suggested that she was immortal, able to just shapeshift into a younger body when she got too old.

There was no Pheonix until Xavier created those mental barriers.

Jean was a powerful mutant, no doubt, but the fact of the matter is that no matter how potentially dangerous she could be, she was made a thousand times more dangerous by separating the part of her mind that thinks rationally from the part of her mind that controls her powers.

Remember, that before Xavier screwed with her head, she was at least functional. Her parrents were concerned, but no more so than the parents of any other mutant. Jean herself wasn't a bad girl, and didn't use her powers for wanton destruction until Xavier's incompotent brainwashing.

And if she really was that dangerous, kill her. There is no excuse for mentally raping someone, for any reason.

Jean was a stupid brat. Xavier made the boundaries so he could mature her and teach her and take the boundaries down one by one, so she'd eventually be able to control her powers and there'd be no such thing as Phoenix. He's also not a murderer, so he wouldn't just kill a little girl.

Remember that Mistique is a shape shifter. That makes her age harder to determine than Wolverine's. In the cartoon series, it was suggested that she was immortal, able to just shapeshift into a younger body when she got too old.

True. *shrugs* Not sure why she would be immortal, though. All the other mutants age, don't see why she's so special.

But, what if killing her was impossible? She already came back once, and she'll come back again in X4.
The accept the end of the world. It's a small price to pay in exchange for preventing the psychic rape of even one person.

Jean was a stupid brat. Xavier made the boundaries so he could mature her and teach her and take the boundaries down one by one, so she'd eventually be able to control her powers and there'd be no such thing as Phoenix. He's also not a murderer, so he wouldn't just kill a little girl.What the hell was wrong with Jean?

And I know Xavier isn't a murderer. He's something worse. Rather than mercifully killing her like Wolverine eventually did, Xavier tore her mind in two.

If his intentions were as pure as you suggest, one would think that in all this time he would have at least TOLD HER about what he was doing. The woman didn't even know about the mental barriers for the first two movies. There's also the fact that if the creation of the Pheonix was unintentional, it just proves that the man was too incompotent a psychic to even make the attempt. Minds aren't something you just hack up like that, and a man who would even consider doing so for any reason has no buisiness teaching telepathic ethics.

Remember that Mistique is a shape shifter. That makes her age harder to determine than Wolverine's. In the cartoon series, it was suggested that she was immortal, able to just shapeshift into a younger body when she got too old.
Except when she loses her powers, she reverts to a woman in her mid-twenties. So it's implied that's her age.
Unless she is immortal, in which case that's pretty strange. No other mutant has this ability and I can't see why she would. In the comic originally, she couldn't change her mass. But I think later she could.
As for Wolverine's age, it was never discussed. There was a comic mini-series about his history, but I never got it. I read a couple and it appeared he was born sometime in the 1800's.

Yeah they seem to be the same age in the movie. It'd be awkward for her to be the guy's mother... she had him when she was like 9. :p
Mytique's power slows her aging process. She's acually about 75 in the movies.

Still no answear to my question if they still make X-Men comic books.Wooooo yea...

let's see...
Uncanny X-men
Astonishing X-men
X-men
X-men Unlimited.

(I remember other titles but don't know if they're still going.)

X-Men Classics

and all those spin-offs.

Hmmm...that's different from the comics. In there his mother was a witch. Though when he finally talks to Mystique, she tells him to ask his mother about who she is. And then nothing was ever mentioned about it for years, and I finally gave up reading them.
I always assumed they were siblings, sperated at birth.
Mystique wasn't Kurt's mother.

Kurt is actually related to Amanda Steffon. a sorcerous who was studying under Dr. Strange.

thus Kurt Wagner had ties to the nether world. that is why in most side tales, he rules Limbo instead of Illyana Rasputin.

and why he was so determined to join the priesthood.

course that was a loong time ago in the comics... so who knows now.

That sounds pretty damned awesome, to be honest. A slight lack of Patrick Stewart is the only problem, but then, it makes sense to leave him out for a movie or two.
Thanks.

I was hoping to have one where other characters can be introduced and should Huge Jackman, Halle Berry and others want to take a break, then they can.

X-men is not just a team but a family. you can keep the movie but change the focus from one character to another.

Mystique wasn't Kurt's mother.

Kurt is actually related to Amanda Steffon. a sorcerous who was studying under Dr. Strange.

thus Kurt Wagner had ties to the nether world. that is why in most side tales, he rules Limbo instead of Illyana Rasputin.

and why he was so determined to join the priesthood.

course that was a loong time ago in the comics... so who knows now.
Yes, I know. That's why I said his mother was a witch in the original Claremont X-Men comics. There was an X-Men annual that was all about it. His mother was Magda of the many winding ways (something odd like that). She snatches his soul and takes him down into a version of Dante's Inferno for some reason. I forget why.

But I just read Wikipedia, and it says that Mystique is indeed his mother. Apparently Claremont wanted to make Mystique his father and Destiny (Mystiques female lover) his mother. Mystique turned into a man and impregnated Destiny. But Marvel wouldn't allow it - the whole bisexual/gay thing being just a wee bit too controversial for them back in the 1980's.
But that doesn't explain where the witch Magda comes in.

Then again, Marvel are infamous for changing stories if and when they feel like it. How many times has Jean/Phoenix died now?

i don't see it happening.. but if they do, they have to bring in Gambit.. Gambit is my all time favorite, how they left him out i don't know

how this was the last one i don't understand because Gene was phoenix quite a bit throughout the tv series ect ect

You know they don't follow the series exactly and lots of people just want Jean to stay dead becouse they are sick of comebacks.

I just though Jean was an suicidiac self pitty in the X3.
Phoenix is cool to cool and Jean and the actress cool
but she was to vampiresque.
"I feel weird. What am I wearing? I want to die!"

As for writing wish lists for the imaginary fourth movie here is my contribution
as well as my critic combined.

No Xavier. just let him stay away. I don't care that he survived.

It was great that they killed off X-men becouse it leaves rome for more characters and makes it more realistical and actually more intreresting.

I wanted something more with more focus on the Phoenix saga with the Phoenix.
X3 had a good Phoenix but I must have an lets save the world plott if Phoenix is in it. Here I did miss the dark pheonix suit. It could have ad any resemblence.She still had an good dress though.

Okey. I rephrase.
I want an save the world plott.

No Xavier, scott or Jean.

I want super-Sentinels.
The third movie was meant to signify Xaviers achieved and everything is so bright.
I would be an nice opportunity to hurry up time. Introduce some of the science fiction futuries in X-men but in the like an international mutant police
but like in the present. I hope you understand what I mean.
That would mean Bishop.
Either that or I would like some darkness in contrast to that light.

They could lend some omniscient metallic darkness from "Zero tolerance" or "Days of Future Past" or genosha stories.

Someone in an big scary metal base somewhere still hates mutants
and are going to do large scale genoicide.

And here is my next idea.
I would like the rest of summers family to appear and another plott about the mysterious
summers family.

Cable and maybe Goblin Queen.

Crossair I doubt would fit in but would be nice with an complete family tree.
Havoc, and the dark havoc becouse he does replace Scott an number of times and becouse he is cool when he quit X-men and rant about Xavier.

Ranchel Summers instead of Jean grey as the new the Pheonix
An minor short run character but she is an daugher inheriting the Pheonix instead of just letting Jean return from the dead again.

For your information she is the daugher of Jean and Scott from the future/another world and wears an spiky outfit.
I wouldn't mind her as a clone though.
I repeat spiky suit.
She got such black backstory of concentration camps and all which I liked.

Then the only family member missing would be Mr Sinister.

When taking about villians. Liked when Magneto temporary redeemed himself
and I like when some villians and heroes switch places like in the Age of Apocalypse. Another main villian than magneto would be nice and you couldn't
be without him anyway.

Collosseus, Dark Havoc and dark Beast have all been been on the dark side once in a while.
In addition I would love Onslaught, Shadow King, Baston, and Apocalypse.

Sorry for writing so much and I admit it's just to much my taste.

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well... this was hasetly cobbled together... but your opinions?

Sounds good. But don't worry, I'm sure they'll find a way to fuck it up :D


Though I like the idea of Magneto, Xavier et al missing this one out.

Just to make things fair, at the beginning it would be nice to see Mysquite get her powers back and then kick the crap out of Magneto for abandoning her like that.
Will she get the power of barbecue?

I suppose if they did want to bring Phoenix back, it wouldn't be so difficult.
The ending had Xavier apparently come back - and Phoenix was way more powerful than him. So they could just have her come back the same way - by transfering her conscieness to another body, and maybe taking it over and changing it into Jean again.
Maybe they could do with Mystique, so Jean uses Mystique's powers to change the body back into Jean.

“What Xavier did to Jean was unforgivable. The fact that he managed to cheat death is a cosmic injustice that must be remedied.”
I agree to whoever said that. Jean was fucked up by Xavier and it wasn’t her or the Phoenix fault. You can’t be allowed control anyone like Xavier does and expect the victim to remain sanity. Look at her she looks like a smashed peach in a fruit mixer.
Havoc also went insane and evil from after being freed from Xavier control or at least he said so.
If you let Xavier “help” you will end up brain wiped.
Many X-men seem to tire of Xavier. Like Logan; Cable, X-force and havoc.
Xavier sucks because he controlling and repressing. Jean didn’t need meddling with her scull just because she was lifting random objects.
Wait a minute it was Magneto lifting random objects to show that they where mutants.
I agree with Magneto. You have to grow in naturally with your powers.
I disagree with whoever said they overdid Magneto as being sympathetic.
I like the moral subjectivity and the point of view thing much more than extremes of good and evil.
Magneto is good as a sympathetic and less evil villain.
Let him redeem himself or stay neutral and lead the X-men.
He did temporary in the ordinary comics and in the “Age of Apocalypse”.
Xavier is evil from my point of view. I loved Onslaught because of that reason.

Also regarding Xavier as Key character, he is not a key character. The best x-men stories where without Xavier. X-men actually did take initiative which means more story.
And they can not express their full personalities when Xavier does his:
”Do as I say my pawn. You don’t agree? Then I need to help you.”

However said he was a key character seemed to think X-men & the brotherhood should just stand soulless and ready at being the pawns of Xavier & Magneto.

And regarding Jean tearing down the mental barriers Xavier's meddling put up and reunify her personality.
I liked this more than control phoenix and the lame control my powers not let it control you.
Also Phoenix and Jean has the deepest personality of all both in the movies and in the comics.
The points being that she is consumed by being all emotional and intense.
No control and yes she is very much like wolverine and she is supposed to be somewhat of a hippy. I basically like Phoenix in the movie; I didn’t think she was to powerful
And I wanted her to act more but let her stay dead.

JuNii’s story was basically cool.
I didn’t like the time machine thing let the future bee real instead.
Everything should be the same except that it’s a political group pushing in the background for the Zero Tolerance program but the president doesn’t allow it.

The reason the president doesn’t allow it because the X-men have proved to be on their side in the battle against magneto in X3 as well as Xavier has dirty dealings and connections.

The sentinels are already built and the terrible mutant genocide program is already prepared by a political organization lead by Bolivar Trask, Baston and Senator Creed.
They are ordering the assassination to blame mutant to counter the growing loving support and acceptance for mutants.
Instead of fleeing from the future let some one flee from an base and you basically have the same story.
Replace that and you have a good story I support
Do Zero Tolerance with Cable and Bishop in it and put in Rachel.
Rachel is the victim instead of Kitty and Cable rush in tells everything about the conspiracy
like he usually does.

My version of your version is somewhat like the following.
“Start”
The Movie starts with the President offering Bishop and Mystique to found in new, Government run group. (Freedom Force)
You see the politics and then you see how evil vice president Creed is talking about exterminating mutants and the president says no.
He places an assassin in “Freedrom Force” to kill the president fore him to show that mutants can’t be trusted.

Meanwhile Mutants lead by Cable and battle Sentinels while escaping a hidden mutant death camp. A base run by Baston, who is creating bloodhounds of the captured mutants.
They reach the main computer and expose the plot.
Cable’s their purpose is prevent the murder of the President by Creeds assassins.
During a battle in the computer room with super-sentinels Cable’s group is killed. Cable and the deliberated bloodhound Rachel escaped through the air port to USA.

Cable looks for allies while Rachel attempts to find out she is and her private investigation leads her close to Xaviers mansion.
She is saved by X-men from sentinels pursuing her.
The School is filled with grief after the death of Scott and Jean.
Cable and Rachel manage introduce themselves to the family and are chocked over the deaths.
They meet who have been looking for his lost brother and now he is dead.
Cable explains Scott was his younger uncle.
Rachel freaks out sensing her connection to Jean and reveals her phoenix powers.
She wrecks the place and infighting starts. Rachel calms down and
X-men go to Genosha and battle Bastons super-sentinels and blood hounds.

You have the X-men encountering and defeating the sentinels.
Freedom Force are dispatched to stop X-men and protect Bastons base unknowing of its true nature believing it is normal government property which it is not.
“Freedom Force” go in and tangle with the X-men.
Bishop and Mystique (who still hurts from Magneto's abandonment.) stop the assassin
But in the middle of the fight Rachel goes killing spree and attempt to kill the president who she blames for being tortured and becoming blood hound.
She changes her mind and kills Creed instead. Have they won with the death of the Vice President at the hands of these Mutants?
“End“

You agree with me about Magneto. That’s great and I want Psylocke too though I much rather would like to see Revenge, the character.

Any ideas for the movie versions of characters as they would need to changed for a movie?

Definatley need an X-Men 4. If you stayed for after the credits you'll know why. If there is make Angels part bigger and maybe throw in Apocalypse somewhere. Gambit is needed. Too bad about Cyclops and Phoenix, she had great potential.

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Just to make things fair, at the beginning it would be nice to see Mysquite get her powers back and then kick the crap out of Magneto for abandoning her like that.

I would like to see Xavier come back, which of course he will, but I would much rather him be the wheelchair Xavier played by Patrick Stewart.


for one mysquite couldn't kill magneto two xavier did come back it showed that after the credits

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Just to make things fair, at the beginning it would be nice to see Mysquite get her powers back and then kick the crap out of Magneto for abandoning her like that.

I would like to see Xavier come back, which of course he will, but I would much rather him be the wheelchair Xavier played by Patrick Stewart.


for one mysquite couldn't kill magneto two xavier did come back it showed that after the credits

Three: The cure didn't work (also shown after the credits)

besides they are making a wolverine and magneto spin off

Three: The cure didn't work (also shown after the credits)

i think the cure does work just not against someone as powerful as magneto or any alpha or omega mutant

now xavier is black

I think you could be right on that account.

But I demand Apocalypse!! That would make a great movie with him in it.

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The ending had Xavier apparently come back - and Phoenix was way more powerful than him.
no she is not in the comic it say that he is the most powerful telepath in the world so she is not more powerful than him

I think you could be right on that account.

But I demand Apocalypse!! That would make a great movie with him in it. i agree

they need onslaught

Don't you know who they should bring back? The juggernaut, bitch! :D
you can't stop the juggernaut

[QUOTE=Wilgrove] I mean comon, Jean would so own Kitty, and Scott would so own Iceman. IQUOTE] iceman would kick his butt ice man is an omega level

But then it would be over in 1 second!
chuck norris could not beat magneto

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P.S. Am I the only person who laughed out loud at the old windbag BURSTING?[/QUOTE]

fuck u i almost cried

[QUOTE= Xavier must die.[/QUOTE]
xavier can't die he the most powerful mutant there

like Wolverine and possibly Angel, who probably didn't get more than 5 minutes screen time.

Focus more on Wolverine? Pray tell, who *got* focused on more in X3? Or X2 or X1, for that matter. That's been my biggest single complaint about the X-Men movies, that they focused so blatantly on Wolverine as the star of what ought to be an ensemble movie. Always with Wolverine, because he tells people off and because he goes crazy and kills people without consequence or regret-- which makes him the favourite of the low-brow audience (and therefore, naturally, the darling of the Hollywood execs). Ugh, as much as I like McKellan's Magneto, why he didn't just rip that shiny metal skeleton completely apart baffles me. Like seriously...

Mags: "ha HA, I weild irresistable power over magnetism and metal! cower before me!"
Wolv: "grr, hey bub, I'm rude and kinda nuts and because of my metal skeleton and healing I'm nearly unkillable, and with my metal skeleton's metal claws I'm gonna carve you a new south pole!"
Mags: "oh, well, right-- I'll just have to toss you about a bit, then."
Wolv: "um, maybe you didn't hear me... metal skeleton?"
Mags: "of course! haha, I can move you around like a little puppet-man!"
Wolv: "hello! metal... skeleton!"
Mags: "la la la, dance, puppet man!"

Honestly, 3 movies and he didn't just go ahead and do it. He *deserved* to lose his powers after that :-P And now they're talking about a "Wolverine" movie. They already HAVE three Wolverine movies, that happen to have a bunch of extras, I believe someone called them X-Men. Something about a team, or whatever...

As for Jean-- I really liked her in the first 2. Then she killed Cyclops. After that I was like "kill the bitch!" Traitor psycho, she had it comin' even before she popped Xavier.

Focus more on Wolverine? Pray tell, who *got* focused on more in X3? Or X2 or X1, for that matter. That's been my biggest single complaint about the X-Men movies, that they focused so blatantly on Wolverine as the star of what ought to be an ensemble movie. Always with Wolverine, because he tells people off and because he goes crazy and kills people without consequence or regret-- which makes him the favourite of the low-brow audience (and therefore, naturally, the darling of the Hollywood execs). Ugh, as much as I like McKellan's Magneto, why he didn't just rip that shiny metal skeleton completely apart baffles me. Like seriously...

Mags: "ha HA, I weild irresistable power over magnetism and metal! cower before me!"
Wolv: "grr, hey bub, I'm rude and kinda nuts and because of my metal skeleton and healing I'm nearly unkillable, and with my metal skeleton's metal claws I'm gonna carve you a new south pole!"
Mags: "oh, well, right-- I'll just have to toss you about a bit, then."
Wolv: "um, maybe you didn't hear me... metal skeleton?"
Mags: "of course! haha, I can move you around like a little puppet-man!"
Wolv: "hello! metal... skeleton!"
Mags: "la la la, dance, puppet man!"

Honestly, 3 movies and he didn't just go ahead and do it. He *deserved* to lose his powers after that :-P And now they're talking about a "Wolverine" movie. They already HAVE three Wolverine movies, that happen to have a bunch of extras, I believe someone called them X-Men. Something about a team, or whatever...

As for Jean-- I really liked her in the first 2. Then she killed Cyclops. After that I was like "kill the bitch!" Traitor psycho, she had it comin' even before she popped Xavier.


one you can't kill wolverine two cyclops needed to die three magneto didn't lose his powers
and four he has already ripped the metal out of his bones and he still walked away