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Have you ever yelled, "That baby is hideous!" or some variation thereof the parents of said child? Have you ever been tempted to?

No.

I find myself insulting people's pets quite loudly and in their presence.

If memory serves, there was a Seinfeld episode dealing with the issue

Have you ever yelled, "That baby is hideous!" or some variation thereof the parents of said child? Have you ever been tempted to?
Yeah. Yesterday as I flipped channels in search of a good war movie (shockingly few of them for a Memorial Day), I breifly saw a christian program where they showed a severely disabled and disfigured kid. I didn't watch much of it, but I distinctly remember thinking "they should have aborted that kid". Someone that screwed up will not have an easy life and would probably have been better off not being born.

Sorry if I sound like an uncaring asshole, but to me abortion seems compassionate sometimes.

If memory serves, there was a Seinfeld episode dealing with the issue
Seinfeld is the all-purpose Bible.

Nice poll. :confused:

Yeah. Yesterday as I flipped channels in search of a good war movie (shockingly few of them for a Memorial Day), I breifly saw a christian program where they showed a severely disabled and disfigured kid. I didn't watch much of it, but I distinctly remember thinking "they should have aborted that kid". Someone that screwed up will not have an easy life and would probably have been better off not being born.

Sorry if I sound like an uncaring asshole, but to me abortion seems compassionate sometimes.
Truer words were never spoken.

ha. saying abortion is a form of compassion is a slippery slope, and also a potential disaster. you thought that deformed baby should have been aborted, but hitler would have, too, in his effort to see the perfect, healthy society full of white people (eugenics). you have to ask yourself, will the baby have quality of life, or will he be in pain all the time. i can't see how abortion would have been the answer to that baby's predicament. i'm pro choice, but we would be like hitler if we forced or persuaded people to abort every infant with potential health problems.

I have been inclined to... I just don't because there are too many witnesses...

ha. saying abortion is a form of compassion is a slippery slope, and also a potential disaster. you thought that deformed baby should have been aborted, but hitler would have, too, in his effort to see the perfect, healthy society full of white people (eugenics). you have to ask yourself, will the baby have quality of life, or will he be in pain all the time. i can't see how abortion would have been the answer to that baby's predicament. i'm pro choice, but we would be like hitler if we forced or persuaded people to abort every infant with potential health problems.
The baby was severely disabled as well as disfigured.

I wasn't advocating abortion from a eugenics standpoint, though I'm not against positive eugenics. I was advocating abortion to spare a person a life filled with pain and disability.

Hitler believed in Eugenics, but he also was a staunch anti-smoking guy. Would you accuse the American Cancer Society of being Hitler-like for telling people not to smoke?

Way to confuse me with the poll options there. :confused:

Yeah. Yesterday as I flipped channels in search of a good war movie (shockingly few of them for a Memorial Day), I breifly saw a christian program where they showed a severely disabled and disfigured kid. I didn't watch much of it, but I distinctly remember thinking "they should have aborted that kid". Someone that screwed up will not have an easy life and would probably have been better off not being born.

Sorry if I sound like an uncaring asshole, but to me abortion seems compassionate sometimes.

and you are an uncaring asshole, I would recommend that you go to a place like Holy Angels (http://www.holyangelsnc.org/home.asp) but I'm sure an uncaring asshole like you would advise the parents to "abort" them. :upyours:

and you are an uncaring asshole, I would recommend that you go to a place like Holy Angels (http://www.holyangelsnc.org/home.asp) but I'm sure an uncaring asshole like you would advise the parents to "abort" them. :upyours:
Whereas you are so compassionate you would force a person to live a life of pain and disability instead of simply never allowing them to come into being.

Whereas you are so compassionate you would force a person to live a life of pain and disability instead of simply never allowing them to come into being.

The disability doesn't determine the quality of life.

The disability doesn't determine the quality of life.
In many cases it does. In many cases it doesn't. Depends on the degree of disability and the pain caused by the disability.

Have you ever yelled, "That baby is hideous!" or some variation thereof the parents of said child? Have you ever been tempted to?
Yes, to my own cousin, which resulted in a much yelling from my entire family. What? He really WAS ugly. Anybody saying otherwise is just kidding themselves. Maybe that's why they were so sensitive about it.

"they should have aborted that kid"
Instinctively, something seems disagreeable with that. Can we really say to people "You would have been better off if you had never been born" and expect them to just accept our perception?

I don't personally know how people in that sort of condition think about themselves, which inevitably renders this as sheer speculation, but I would think that disabled people wouldn't think that in the general case. And, of course, as long as they think their life is worth living, then isn't it?

Instinctively, something seems disagreeable with that. Can we really say to people "You would have been better off if you had never been born" and expect them to just accept our perception?

I don't personally know how people in that sort of condition think about themselves, which inevitably renders this as sheer speculation, but I would think that disabled people wouldn't think that in the general case. And, of course, as long as they think their life is worth living, then isn't it?
That's why the parents should be responsible enough to make a decision to abort before they can think, if the disabilities are severe enough of course.

No. There is no such thing as an ugly baby. All babies are irresistably cute.

Nasty yappy little rat-dogs, though, that's another story... still, I usually keep my mouth shut.

you have a point. but ponder on this...where does it go from having no babies with health problems? yes, everyone wants healthy babies and for nothing to go wrong with their own person, but that's not the way genetics work, the human body works, and people work. treating what we can in the time and space we're given is how it works. just realize that what you call compassion someone else may call murder. and i don't think that anyone is going to come out right in calling it. and that baby that you thought should be aborted might be doing alright. he/she might feel the love that's bestowed upom him/her from the parents. he/she might be getting the attention and medical care that's needed for his/her condition. it's about quality of life. and yeah, i would feel sorry for a deaf/mute/blind kid with his hands and legs gone, but if he had parents or people who cared for him, gave him all that he needed, i would not lament a day of his life for not having all that i had.

and i didn't know that about hitler, but the man has a point. cigarettes kill people other than the people smoking them, also.

Who's Sinihue? A really ugly baby?

Instinctively, something seems disagreeable with that. Can we really say to people "You would have been better off if you had never been born" and expect them to just accept our perception?

I don't personally know how people in that sort of condition think about themselves, which inevitably renders this as sheer speculation, but I would think that disabled people wouldn't think that in the general case. And, of course, as long as they think their life is worth living, then isn't it?

amen to that! ask people with disabilities how they feel about their life, if they feel they should have been spared?

Not yet.. but I have a feeling that the words "OH MY FUCKING GOD PUT THAT THING BACK IN AND PRESS THE REDO BUTTON!" when the crackhoe in my class has her baby..

amen to that! ask people with disabilities how they feel about their life, if they feel they should have been spared?

I believe my quality of life is very high. I am hard of hearing, facial paraylize, and several other problems, and yet, I don't let those things slow me down. I am about to graduate College and plan on going to graduate school. I am an Eagle Scout, I can fly a small GA aircraft (single prop), and I love going to the mountains of NC for camping. I am fully capable of living on my own, supporting myself, without any help or assistance. I got here not by special treatment from the ADA, or provision, but I got here by meeting and surpassing the standards that "normal" people are put through. My parents knew what they were getting into before I was born, and I thaink them everyday for not "sparing" (read murder) me.

Have you ever yelled, "That baby is hideous!" or some variation thereof the parents of said child? Have you ever been tempted to?
Always. I am that cruel.

Getting hit with the ugly stick beats getting hit with the stupid stick everytime.

Getting hit with the ugly stick beats getting hit with the stupid stick everytime.

Amen.

Yeah. Yesterday as I flipped channels in search of a good war movie (shockingly few of them for a Memorial Day), I breifly saw a christian program where they showed a severely disabled and disfigured kid. I didn't watch much of it, but I distinctly remember thinking "they should have aborted that kid". Someone that screwed up will not have an easy life and would probably have been better off not being born.

Sorry if I sound like an uncaring asshole, but to me abortion seems compassionate sometimes.
If the baby grew to a child later-on, and you could find a way to kill him painlessly, without him realising what hit him, would you do it? It would amont to the same thing you suggest above.

Macedonia once ruled a vast empire - who says it can't rise again?

Macedonia once ruled a vast empire - who says it can't rise again?
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EDIT: Oh, the poll. Ignore me.

Have you ever yelled, "That baby is hideous!" or some variation thereof the parents of said child? Have you ever been tempted to?I generally keep my thought on such matters to myself. Quite frankly I think most babies are ugly. Although admittedly, some moreso than others.