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Are you suggesting a typing mistake? He/she/it always calls me "My Nordland". Either he/she/it sux at typing or or what? He/she/it finds exchanging two adjacent letters in the keyboard amusing? Or did you mean something else?
Maybe they merely misread your name, and didn't deem you worth a second check.

Canada being in north isnt relative, unless you hold the map backwards. Noone lives at north pole....
No? What about Santa Claus, Smarty-Pants? And most of Canada is South to someone at Resolute. So it is relative to the point-of-view.

vanilla statement, but at any rate:

The sooner we forget about race, the better -- it seems the more we concentrate on it, the more problems we have.

if we could manufacture some sort of long-lasting "color-blind" serum and give it to newborns -- because frankly we cannot rely on all parents to teach every child to respect others based on actions/ideals/personality (etc.), not skin color -- in hopes that they will grow up treating each other well.

vanilla statement, but at any rate:

The sooner we forget about race, the better -- it seems the more we concentrate on it, the more problems we have.

if we could manufacture some sort of long-lasting "color-blind" serum and give it to newborns -- because frankly we cannot rely on all parents to teach every child to respect others based on actions/ideals/personality (etc.), not skin color -- in hopes that they will grow up treating each other well.

Perhaps the first statement you've made that I can agree on. Hell, who cares who the 'Better' race is? I mean, what do you want, a medal? At the end of the day we're all human, trying to do our best in life and do what we want. Who cares what colour you are?

Maybe they merely misread your name, and didn't deem you worth a second check.

Is that you think why she is so quick to label me? Most things need 2nd time checking afterall. But dogmatic minds cant understand this. It's more about tunnel vision then checked object really....

I swear to god. Anyone starts a forum raid that comes back to haunt NS, and I will be so pissed off. If those persons have RPed countries, they will so be invaded.
:D

*Grins at geekish fears*

Is that you think why she is so quick to label me? Most things need 2nd time checking afterall. But dogmatic minds cant understand this. It's more about tunnel vision then checked object really....
Well, dude, you are nearly 1000 posts in, that's not exactly "quick to label" you on her part. You've had ample opportunity to prove anyone wrong as to their first impression of your ignorance. I was merely suggesting that you haven't said anything intelligent enough to warrant a second note of your name.

Well, dude, you are nearly 1000 posts in, that's not exactly "quick to label" you on her part. You've had ample opportunity to prove anyone wrong as to their first impression of your ignorance. I was merely suggesting that you haven't said anything intelligent enough to warrant a second note of your name.
You assume far too much for a new member.

Well, dude, you are nearly 1000 posts in, that's not exactly "quick to label" you on her part. You've had ample opportunity to prove anyone wrong as to their first impression of your ignorance. I was merely suggesting that you haven't said anything intelligent enough to warrant a second note of your name.

Read my posts again. Maybe they didnt sound intelligent to you because you couldnt comprehend them....

Read my posts again. Maybe they didnt sound intelligent to you because you couldnt comprehend them....
Or maybe they don't sound intelligent because they aren't. If it quacks like a duck...

So what's with all the racial threads all of a sudden? Has NS been invaded by white supremacists or something?
Yes, and apparently the "in" thing with this latest crop of drooling mouth-breathers is to dance interminably around the subject of their racism, claiming not to be such out one side of their mouth, while spewing the same-old same-old out the other.

And you know, it hasn't ceased to piss me off yet. Fucking Nazis.

You assume far too much for a new member.
Tell me what, exactly, I have assumed. I have merely offered possible explanations for the behaviour of a fellow human being.

Tell me what, exactly, I have assumed. I have merely offered possible explanations for the behaviour of a fellow human being.
In the form of thinly veiled ad-hominem attacks. Don't think me to be naive, for I am not.

I always thought the best way to espace racism was to be educated to the point where you can understand why and how it occurs. But it's dangerous because if people aren't informed to the level that I suggested about, then racism will always be a problem. With me being at secondary school, I get people making racist remarks all the time (okay so not all the time, but quite often) and I've come to notice that its often the more intelligent people that make the most informed racist opinions (I really dont think that this is right in any way shape or form). However, if you understand their logic, you can see the reasons behind them stating it.
This is because of a lack of education, as I have said. But also, perhaps, from in cornwall, not actually being exposed to a real life racist situation doesn't help with understand if you're not very good at understanding people. And understanding often couples with maturity, but very often it becomes too late.

This, and also that most children at my senior school dont actually choose to be as acedemic as they should be (probably because of the very loose education we've recieved)...so really I dont have a clue about point im trying to make, Im just giving you a view point.

Hehe, Don't shout at me. youre all so educated and form better arguements than me.

Scary!:)

Yes, and apparently the "in" thing with this latest crop of drooling mouth-breathers is to dance interminably around the subject of their racism, claiming not to be such out one side of their mouth, while spewing the same-old same-old out the other.

And you know, it hasn't ceased to piss me off yet. Fucking Nazis.

Another "in" thing seems to be mindless chatter like this posts. And I see your broken record tendencies continue. Get a grip of what nazi is....
Actually dont. It's funny to see how u misuse a term over and over and over....

Read my posts again. Maybe they didnt sound intelligent to you because you couldnt comprehend them....
Come on now, your English and grammar are not THAT bad. Most of what you say is decipherable...just incoherent. It is the bastion of ignorance, to suggest because someone disagrees, they do not understand; the height of unfounded arrogance that understanding automatically leads to agreement. You are not racist? You are not stupid? Prove it. Don't tell me, show me.

Another "in" thing seems to be mindless chatter like this posts. And I see your broken record tendencies continue. Get a grip of what nazi is....
Actually dont. It's funny to see how u misuse a term over and over and over....
It's sort of like a broken gramophone. :)

In the form of thinly veiled ad-hominem attacks. Don't think me to be naive, for I am not.
I notice how deftly you side-stepped the question and got defensive. I neither said nor implied that you are naive. If I wanted to attack anyone, I would not veil it, however thinly. Tell me what I have assumed. And what does my tenure at NS have to do with the quality of my statements?

Are you suggesting a typing mistake? He/she/it always calls me "My Nordland". Either he/she/it sux at typing or or what? He/she/it finds exchanging two adjacent letters in the keyboard amusing? Or did you mean something else?
I was, and well, I didn't know that. I've never even seen the two of you in the same thread before, so chill out.

I notice how deftly you side-stepped the question and got defensive. I neither said nor implied that you are naive. If I wanted to attack anyone, I would not veil it, however thinly. Tell me what I have assumed. And what does my tenure at NS have to do with the quality of my statements?
You made possible a possible hypothesis on his character and intellect that seemed highly presumptuous of you. What does your tenure matter? To make such hypotheses it usually helps to know whom you are talking about.

Another "in" thing seems to be mindless chatter like this posts. And I see your broken record tendencies continue. Get a grip of what nazi is....
Actually dont. It's funny to see how u misuse a term over and over and over....

*Grans Popcorn, sits down*

Right. Anyone want Coke? I have Pepsi and Fanta here as well!

*Rummages*

Someone found some Cornettos as well in the Ice Locker...

In the form of thinly veiled ad-hominem attacks. Don't think me to be naive, for I am not.
I don't think you're naive so much as miserable... miserable, and irritating to the point that I have, of late, despaired for the future of these forums.

And stuff your constant whingeing over "ad-hominem attacks". I am honestly fucking up to HERE *indicates forehead* with listening to you carp over supposed "ad-hominem attacks". Suck it up - you're pretty deft at pissing people off, so cut the crap and quit crying foul every fifth or sixth post.

It's sort of like a broken gramophone. :)
Didn't he say that in his own post? Did he really need your pat on his back there? Are you two that insecure?

I don't think you're naive so much as miserable... miserable, and irritating to the point that I have, of late, despaired for the future of these forums.

And stuff your constant whingeing over "ad-hominem attacks". I am honestly fucking up to HERE *indicates forehead* with listening to you carp over supposed "ad-hominem attacks". Suck it up - you're pretty deft at pissing people off, so cut the crap and quit crying foul every fifth or sixth post.
Wow, someone is angry. :) Seriously dude, chill.

Come on now, your English and grammar are not THAT bad. Most of what you say is decipherable...just incoherent. It is the bastion of ignorance, to suggest because someone disagrees, they do not understand; the height of unfounded arrogance that understanding automatically leads to agreement. You are not racist? You are not stupid? Prove it. Don't tell me, show me.

Well I can not change your definition of "racism" and your automatic link to stupidity. It's called dogma. Hence intelligent debates cant change it...Besides, read my posts and say what you think there, dont expect me to repeat myself here....

And what does my tenure at NS have to do with the quality of my statements?
Trust me, compared to that twitching little rodent, you're batting a thousand. Glad to have you aboard. And I seem to recall you from some time back anyway.

Trust me, compared to that twitching little rodent, you're batting a thousand. Glad to have you aboard. And I seem to recall you from some time back anyway.
Yet, it is you alone who has this opinion of me. Too bad. I am not an emotional person. I care little for who likes me or not.

It's funny to see how u misuse a term over and over and over....
Presumably it's a term you'd only employ to describe people who cannot abide Nazis.

You made possible a possible hypothesis on his character and intellect that seemed highly presumptuous of you. What does your tenure matter? To make such hypotheses it usually helps to know whom you are talking about.
I assume you mean I presented, not made possible, a possible hypothesis. Which, by the way, is redundantly repetitious. Of course it's possible, if it's a hypothesis. If it were not possible, what would be the point to propose it as a hypothesis?

And to make such hypotheses does not require that I know his character. I may propose and see how others react, taking cues from the responses of the individual in question. The fact that Nordland does not himself respond, but relies upon you for defence, demonstrates to me that there may be some truth to what I have presented.

I don't think you're naive so much as miserable... miserable, and irritating to the point that I have, of late, despaired for the future of these forums.

And stuff your constant whingeing over "ad-hominem attacks". I am honestly fucking up to HERE *indicates forehead* with listening to you carp over supposed "ad-hominem attacks". Suck it up - you're pretty deft at pissing people off, so cut the crap and quit crying foul every fifth or sixth post.

A misrable person is much more likely to resort name calling. Such as this post.

I assume you mean I presented, not made possible, a possible hypothesis. Which, by the way, is redundantly repetitious. Of course it's possible, if it's a hypothesis. If it were not possible, what would be the point to propose it as a hypothesis?
So what? I used it for emphasis.

And to make such hypotheses does not require that I know his character. I may propose and see how others react, taking cues from the responses of the individual in question. The fact that Nordland does not himself respond, but relies upon you for defence, demonstrates to me that there may be some truth to what I have presented.
Then why not offer any number of hypotheses, and stick to one particular one based on the reactions of a handful of posters? My choice to defend is of my own election. Not any reliance of his on me.

Yet, it is you alone who has this opinion of me. Too bad. I am not an emotional person. I care little for who likes me or not.
Either that, or I'm simply the only one who has taken the time to spell out my dislike for you in no uncertain terms. Perhaps you ought to test your assumptions of celebrity by putting it to a poll.

Well I can not change your definition of "racism" and your automatic link to stupidity. It's called dogma. Hence intelligent debates cant change it...Besides, read my posts and say what you think there, dont expect me to repeat myself here....
I have not linked racism and stupidity. I have linked your assumption that someone who disagrees must be wrong with your stupidity. And I have not defined racism here, have I? Cuz if I have, I'd love to see how I did. How do you know if my views are dogmatic, if I haven't expressed exactly what they are?
But it is nice to see you step up to your own defence, however lame.

Either that, or I'm simply the only one who has taken the time to spell out my dislike for you in no uncertain terms. Perhaps you ought to test your assumptions of celebrity by putting it to a poll.
Do it for me, why don't you. As I said, I really don't care either way. It seems to be your concern, not mine.

Trust me, compared to that twitching little rodent, you're batting a thousand. Glad to have you aboard. And I seem to recall you from some time back anyway.
I've been around since early April...I spent some time in threads on God and on Absolute Truth.

Didn't he say that in his own post? Did he really need your pat on his back there? Are you two that insecure?

2 people agreeing with each other make them insecure? Look at all the people in this thread, which have been repeating eachother over and over again....
Seems like you havent set high standarts for your own remarks, especially considering the fact that you've been demanding "intelligent posts".

Yet, it is you alone who has this opinion of me. Too bad. I am not an emotional person. I care little for who likes me or not.
Then why do you keep track of the fact that it is only one? And are you sure it's only one?

A misrable person is much more likely to resort name calling. Such as this post.
Well, perhaps if you'd care to re-read the quoted post you're offering comment on, you'd note that I did not, in fact, call either of you names - much and all as that's exactly what both of you frankly deserve, and not just from this quarter.

Then why do you keep track of the fact that it is only one? And are you sure it's only one?
He is the only one to express such opinions of me. Not a matter of recording. Just that he is the only one.

Do it for me, why don't you. As I said, I really don't care either way. It seems to be your concern, not mine.
With the sheer volume of post-whoring you've been actively engaged in of late, that last comment of yours is incredibly, highly suspect.

With the sheer volume of post-whoring you've been actively engaged in of late, that last comment of yours is incredibly, highly suspect.
Post-whoring? :confused: So chatting on the forums with people is now post-whoring? Heh.

Presumably it's a term you'd only employ to describe people who cannot abide Nazis.

Maybe your comment is true, in Dobb's World. However, in our universe, it's just funny...

He is the only one to express such opinions of me. Not a matter of recording. Just that he is the only one.
As I said before, I'm just the only one to actually give voice to my active dislike for you...

So what? I used it for emphasis.


Then why not offer any number of hypotheses, and stick to one particular one based on the reactions of a handful of posters? My choice to defend is of my own election. Not any reliance of his on me.
No, what I did was emphasis. What you did sounded less like emphasis and more like unfamiliarity with the nature of hypothesis. And why move onto a new hypothesis when this one is creating so much fun? Based on the reactions of a number of posters, I stuck with the first one. When it dies, I may offer another...but I'm starting to think maybe I got lucky the first time.

How do you know if he relies upon yo or not? You reasons are your own, fine. How are you so intimately familiar with his?

Post-whoring? :confused:
Post-whoring.

No, what I did was emphasis. What you did sounded less like emphasis and more like unfamiliarity with the nature of hypothesis. And why move onto a new hypothesis when this one is creating so much fun? Based on the reactions of a number of posters, I stuck with the first one. When it dies, I may offer another...but I'm starting to think maybe I got lucky the first time.
I even know the etymology of the word, so no, not really. I am well acquainted with it.

How do you know if he relies upon yo or not? You reasons are your own, fine. How are you so intimately familiar with his?
I have no reason so far to believe he relies upon my posts.

Post-whoring.
So chatting with others is now post-whoring? So, I should just say "Sorry folks, no more posts for the day, because some random person might think I am just doing this to increase my post count"? Hmm...

You guys, please stop. This is a waste of energy.

I thought you all had Degrees and masters and stuff?

Can't you at least ignore these petty arguements and actually use this forum for what it was intended for?

pretty pweeeeeese

hehe

ill shhh now. else I might be shouted at for something....wrong spelling or something not acedemic enough or something.:)

I do lead a simple life....

2 people agreeing with each other make them insecure? Look at all the people in this thread, which have been repeating eachother over and over again....
Seems like you havent set high standarts for your own remarks, especially considering the fact that you've been demanding "intelligent posts".
And there hasn't been any simple restating of previous posts (any serious ones, anyway) in a "jolly good old chap" kind of way, except for you two and the broken record-broken gramophone


I haven't demanded intelligent posts. I happen to enjoy toilet humour, one of my little vices. I've demanded that if you wish to be taken seriously, you prove you are worth it. Find flaws in any of my serious posts.

I have not linked racism and stupidity. I have linked your assumption that someone who disagrees must be wrong with your stupidity. And I have not defined racism here, have I? Cuz if I have, I'd love to see how I did. How do you know if my views are dogmatic, if I haven't expressed exactly what they are?
But it is nice to see you step up to your own defence, however lame.

You havet linked them? Really? Your train of thought suggests otherwise, as seen in bolded area below. You are dogmatic because you asked me to prove I'm not racist eventhough u havent read my posts (you said you read only 2 threads besides this). This suggests you were acting on your preconceptions rather than judging for yourself AFTER listening on what u are criticisizing...


Come on now, your English and grammar are not THAT bad. Most of what you say is decipherable...just incoherent. It is the bastion of ignorance, to suggest because someone disagrees, they do not understand; the height of unfounded arrogance that understanding automatically leads to agreement. You are not racist? You are not stupid? Prove it. Don't tell me, show me

Well, geez. I (or Sinuhue, or Atty) leave and the whole thread goes to pot.

I even know the etymology of the word, so no, not really. I am well acquainted with it.


I have no reason so far to believe he relies upon my posts.
So you are simply inept with the nuances of language. Fair enough. And if it's solely for your own benefit, why do you even care whether he relies upon your posts?

Apple juice? Yeah, I like apple juice.

Not quite worth its own thread, but two interesting articles about Neonazis in Germany.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,418744,00.html
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,418617,00.html

So you are simply inept with the nuances of language. Fair enough. And if it's solely for your own benefit, why do you even care whether he relies upon your posts?
I am hardly inept with the nuances of language.

I don't care if he relies on them or not. This is something you brought into question.

You havet linked them? Really? Your train of thought suggests otherwise, as seen in bolded area below. You are dogmatic because you asked me to prove I'm not racist eventhough u havent read my posts (you said you read only 2 threads besides this). This suggests you were acting on your preconceptions rather than judging for yourself AFTER listening on what u are criticisizing...
Actually, I mentioned two threads I had been fairly active on. I did not say I had read only two threads. This tendency to intellectual long-jumping may be a part of your problem. And I happened to list two questions in series, like this: You're not racist? You're not stupid? Not a linkage anymore than there's a link between: Are you male? You're from Norway?

Another long-jump, I fear.

No, seriously. Who wants pot?

I am hardly inept with the nuances of language.

I don't care if he relies on them or not. This is something you brought into question.
OK, then, perhaps you only appear inept with the nuances. You don't care if he relies on you? Fair enough, must be another of those subtlety-type things. You two arrived here pretty muchtogether, and you immediately went to work trying to show us all how wonderfully enlightened he is. Seems like a fair conclusion that you are concerned with what he thinks. But if you don't then let us never speak of it again.

No, seriously. Who wants pot?
mmmm...pot

No, seriously. Who wants pot?
I do, and will smoke a big fat bowl of it as soon as I log into CoH. Seeya.

I do, and will smoke a big fat bowl of it as soon as I log into CoH. Seeya.
Great, now I need to ask...what's CoH?

OK, then, perhaps you only appear inept with the nuances. You don't care if he relies on you? Fair enough, must be another of those subtlety-type things. You two arrived here pretty muchtogether, and you immediately went to work trying to show us all how wonderfully enlightened he is. Seems like a fair conclusion that you are concerned with what he thinks. But if you don't then let us never speak of it again.
Hey, we know each other and get along, but when I post I usually do so solely for my own purposes. If you have some other perception of the situation, then so be it. I've had my say.

Great, now I need to ask...what's CoH?
City of Heroes. I play a level 39 Defender named 'Tau Wave' on the Virtue server... fighting Super-Villains. And Nazis, too.

YES YES YES! WHITE SUPREMICISTS FTW!!!!!!!!

wait, I forgot I'm not white, so I must be worthless.

*goes off and kills self*

:rolleyes:

What, were your ears burning, and you had to jump in and 'defend' your racism? Well done. We are now certain of who you are. Thank you for proving my point. Without any provocation, evidence, or analyzation of my points (such as the fact that whites actually are kept out of jobs and schools because of their race. Affirmative Action is just as much racism as the KKK, just less extreme.) you automatically assume I'm a racist because I say I support white rights. I also find it ironic that part of the bolded part had me saying that I believed in true equality: everyone being equal. And actually, you would be burning too if you were living in the current temperature where I am, though that's largely irrelevant.

Edit: Yeah, just attribute this to Slayrule please. Nachack's my sockpuppet, forum logged me on under that after I was working on it's current "outstanding issues" on the main site. Wasn't exactly paying attention.

City of Heroes. I play a level 39 Defender named 'Tau Wave' on the Virtue server... fighting Super-Villains. And Nazis, too.
Never heard of it.

Hey, we know each other and get along, but when I post I usually do so solely for my own purposes. If you have some other perception of the situation, then so be it. I've had my say.
And what are your purposes, exactly, except making sure that people here like and respect you and your opinions?

Actually, I mentioned two threads I had been fairly active on. I did not say I had read only two threads. This tendency to intellectual long-jumping may be a part of your problem. And I happened to list two questions in series, like this: You're not racist? You're not stupid? Not a linkage anymore than there's a link between: Are you male? You're from Norway?

Another long-jump, I fear.

If you have read my posts why are you asking me if I'm not racist, here. If you read my posts and suggest I'm racist (if u ask me "you are not racist?", it means by default you think I'm racist) that means you defined racism, unlike u suggested before.
While two adjacent sentece might not be linked, it is highly possible, especially given the context of this thread and your post.

Hey, I don't think it's personal Ny Nordland, they just consider anyone who's white to be racist.

Hey, I don't think it's personal Ny Nordland, they just consider anyone who's white to be racist.
No, we consider people who hate black people to be racist.

So if a white person beats up a black person for being black, they're somehow more racist than a black person who kills a white person for being white? I think we have very different ideas of "racism".

And what are your purposes, exactly, except making sure that people here like and respect you and your opinions?
Varies according to the post. In this case, just agreeing with Ny on what Dobbs said.

If you read my posts and suggest I'm racist (if u ask me "you are not racist?", it means by default you think I'm racist)
You're not made of purple silkworm poop? You're not gay? You're not in orbit? You're not a US citizen? You didn't shoot JFK from the grassy knoll? Do not "by default" anything about what I think. I will tell you what I think if you ask. When I ask a question it is a probe into the thoughts of another, not an insight into myself.


that means you defined racism, unlike u suggested before.
Find where I spelled out a definition of racism to which you may or may not object, or under which you may or may not be racist. Find it, and tell me where I can go and see it.

While two adjacent sentece might not be linked, it is highly possible, especially given the context of this thread and your post.
No link. Possible, yes. Real, no. Not all which is possible is also real.

Varies according to the post. In this case, just agreeing with Ny on what Dobbs said.
Well, I still maintain that as a master of subtlety and nuance, you should have been aware of the perception your posts would cause, namely the two of you as bosom buddies.

So if a white person beats up a black person for being black, they're somehow more racist than a black person who kills a white person for being white? I think we have very different ideas of "racism".
Did I ever say that? No. I was saying why we think Ny Nordland is a racist. Learn to understand context.

You're not made of purple silkworm poop? You're not gay? You're not in orbit? You're not a US citizen? You didn't shoot JFK from the grassy knoll? Do not "by default" anything about what I think. I will tell you what I think if you ask. When I ask a question it is a probe into the thoughts of another, not an insight into myself.



Find where I spelled out a definition of racism to which you may or may not object, or under which you may or may not be racist. Find it, and tell me where I can go and see it.


No link. Possible, yes. Real, no. Not all which is possible is also real.

1) This isnt vacuum. The thread is called white power, with people attacking who they consider racist. And you are asking me "you arent racist?" Which suggest prejeduce, given the context of thread.
2)Going from this assuption and that if you read my posts and think I'm racist, you must be reaching that conclusion with a definition in your mind.
3)Possible in vacuum, yes. Much more likely to be real, given the context of thread, yes.

Did I ever say that? No. I was saying why we think Ny Nordland is a racist. Learn to understand context.

When did I say I hate blacks? Learn to get a grip on reality...

Well, I still maintain that as a master of subtlety and nuance, you should have been aware of the perception your posts would cause, namely the two of you as bosom buddies.
Which is rather worrying indeed.

Europa Maxima, you are smarter than this. You don't need to go all "Enlightened Catholic", you know that it is not compatible with you or your lifestyle. You don't need to keep talking about race like it matters, you don't need to associate yourself with wannabe skinheads who just happen to be too scared to actually go out and bash the foreigners for real, so they rather do in on the PC.

Remember, dude, rationality and enlightened self-interest becomes before all the rest.

Did I ever say that? No. I was saying why we think Ny Nordland is a racist. Learn to understand context.
You literally said you considered anyone who didn't like black people to be racist, opening my question of if you thought blacks weren't to be considered racist if they hate whites.

When did I say I hate blacks? Learn to get a grip on reality...You said you wanted them out of "your" country and that they were stupider than whites.

Well, I still maintain that as a master of subtlety and nuance, you should have been aware of the perception your posts would cause, namely the two of you as bosom buddies.
The fact that we are "bosom buddies", as you put it, is irrelevant really. I would have posted that even if I didn't know him. Like I said, it was just to express agreement.

You actually make me laugh.

It's quite funny how you can talk about racism, the ignorance of other races of people and not understanding them, when you yourselves are arguing because you cant understand the viewpoints that you each take.

Maybe if you stop being so Ego-centric and admit that you are both right in certain ways then we would actually get somewhere in this discussion wthout bickering regarding whether "the black guy hitting a white guy is more racist than a the white hitting the black" and pointing out common grammatical mistakes.

Come on, youre meant to be intelligent, dont waste it against east other's own viewpoints.

1) This isnt vacuum. The thread is called white power, with people attacking who they consider racist. And you are asking me "you arent racist?" Which suggest prejeduce, given the context of thread.
2)Going from this assuption and that if you read my posts and think I'm racist, you must be reaching that conclusion with a definition in your mind.
3)Possible in vacuum, yes. Much more likely to be real, given the context of thread, yes.
1) Irrelevant. If you want to use logic, or at least appear intelligent, assume nothing significant. I was asking because I want to know, in a nutshell, what is your defence against the accusations of racism which have been thrown at you on this thread? What is it that you believe, which is NOT racist, that makes these people think you ARE racist?
2) Back to assumptions. I do not (yet) think you are racist...I have no opinion on the matter yet. And how can you claim not to fit a definition which I have in my mind? You have no idea what may be in my mind.
3) Likely to be real is not the same as real. Again with the BIG assumptions and the long-jumping.

You literally said you considered anyone who didn't like black people to be racist, opening my question of if you thought blacks weren't to be considered racist if they hate whites.
You phrased it in a stupid and presumptuous manner.

You actually make me laugh.

It's quite funny how you can talk about racism, the ignorance of other races of people and not understanding them, when you yourselves are arguing because you cant understand the viewpoints that you each take.

Maybe if you stop being so Ego-centric and admit that you are both right in certain ways then we would actually get somewhere in this discussion wthout bickering regarding whether "the black guy hitting a white guy is more racist than a the white hitting the black" and pointing out common grammatical mistakes.

Come on, youre meant to be intelligent, dont waste it against east other's own viewpoints. Heh...you actually have a damn good point. It's kind of ironic.

The fact that we are "bosom buddies", as you put it, is irrelevant really. I would have posted that even if I didn't know him. Like I said, it was just to express agreement.
Actually, the fact that you are bosom buddies is not irrelevant, as it suggests a likelihood that you are seeking to justify him when he cannot justify himself. This may not be true, but it's back to the nuance thing, upon which you so clearly have a vise-like grip.

Actually, the fact that you are bosom buddies is not irrelevant, as it suggests a likelihood that you are seeking to justify him when he cannot justify himself. This may not be true, but it's back to the nuance thing, upon which you so clearly have a vise-like grip.
You are free to draw any assumptions you like. So, please do indulge yourself.

You phrased it in a stupid and presumptuous manner.
I asked a perfectly logical question in the form of an example.

You actually make me laugh.

It's quite funny how you can talk about racism, the ignorance of other races of people and not understanding them, when you yourselves are arguing because you cant understand the viewpoints that you each take.

Maybe if you stop being so Ego-centric and admit that you are both right in certain ways then we would actually get somewhere in this discussion wthout bickering regarding whether "the black guy hitting a white guy is more racist than a the white hitting the black" and pointing out common grammatical mistakes.

Come on, youre meant to be intelligent, dont waste it against east other's own viewpoints.
HEEHEEHEE You're funny. I know this is going nowhere, but it is VERY amusing, isn't it?

You are free to draw any assumptions you like. So, please do indulge yourself.
Maybe you can tell me what it is about your pal that everyone thinks is racist, but which is in actuality a misunderstood enlightenment?

1) Irrelevant. If you want to use logic, or at least appear intelligent, assume nothing significant. I was asking because I want to know, in a nutshell, what is your defence against the accusations of racism which have been thrown at you on this thread? What is it that you believe, which is NOT racist, that makes these people think you ARE racist?
2) Back to assumptions. I do not (yet) think you are racist...I have no opinion on the matter yet. And how can you claim not to fit a definition which I have in my mind? You have no idea what may be in my mind.
3) Likely to be real is not the same as real. Again with the BIG assumptions and the long-jumping.

Assume nothing significant? Coming from you? You were making hypothesis about my character by your own admission...
Whatever, you can carry on your word game or read the answer I gave when I quoted my self, in this thread....
They think I'm racist because I point to differences between races...

Maybe you can tell me what it is about your pal that everyone thinks is racist, but which is in actuality a misunderstood enlightenment?
That is something you and he can debate to your heart's content, which you already seem to be doing.

Maybe you can tell me what it is about your pal that everyone thinks is racist, but which is in actuality a misunderstood enlightenment?

Again, your answers suggest you havent read any of my threads, have you?

Ny Nordland is right. For example, that "Is Race Just Skin Color" thread. Everyone ignored the question to be discussed and started ganging up on him with accusations of racism.

Assume nothing significant? Coming from you? You were making hypothesis about my character by your own admission...
Hypotheses which I was looking to be proved or disproved. I did not say my ideas were fact...I was asking questions to find answers, not presenting them as answers.

Whatever, you can carry on your word game or read the answer I gave when I quoted my self, in this thread....
They think I'm racist because I point to differences between races...
As to the word games, definitional clarity is of the utmost importance in any debate. Do you use the differences between the races to make any judgment upon individuals, or to formulate any opinions about how society should operate? Do you maintain that Blacks should be removed from Norway, as I believe has been suggested?

That is something you and he can debate to your heart's content, which you already seem to be doing.
You just seemed eager to speak up for him, and he reluctant to do so for himself. I thought you might enjoy some dialectic.

Guys please please please....

just stop for five minutes and logically think this arguement through. Please.

You all seem very intelligent and I respect what most of you are saying, however, we wont get anywhere if we carry on like this, please.... and I cant even read what half of it is because in between making points youre slagging off each others english. Its like an educated version of two slags fighting.

Just regroup and think about the arguement, understand each other.

Again, your answers suggest you havent read any of my threads, have you?
I have not read each and every post in any of them, but I have started one of the ones which has been mentioned here. I didn't continue it because it didn't look like there was any intelligent debate happening there. Few of you people seem to understand that argument (in the commonly accepted modern sense of the word) and real debate are not the same thing! I am not trying to prove asnyone wrong, or to prove myself right. I am looking for answers, and I care not which side provides them so long as they are well-thought out and stand up to intense scrutiny. If you feel so strongly about your beliefs, tell me now, what are they? What do you believe about race?

Ny Nordland is right. For example, that "Is Race Just Skin Color" thread. Everyone ignored the question to be discussed and started ganging up on him with accusations of racism.

I have a strong suspicion that with that thread we would be forced to vote "No, race is not just skin colour" because it's obviously not and then that would be utilised as an excuse for him to say "Blacks are stupid! You agree with me!" Honestly, we've seen enough of his work to know he's a racist who doesn't want to admit it. Remember when you were arguing for a "pure" white Norway? Against black and Muslim immigration but perfectly happy to let whites into the country?

Remember when you were arguing for a "pure" white Norway? Against black and Muslim immigration but perfectly happy to let whites into the country?
Nordland? Is this a view you hold?

There was that car one...

Hahaha. :D

And here's an observation I noticed, it may or may not exist around you guys:

Here around where I am, there seems to be a growing "black victim" movement. Because of this, blacks are almost elevated to how the whites were in the 1950's, etc. I noticed this a lot, with some of the "equalization" programmes America has now-a-days that are simply racist against whites (to certain extents). I know some people who really don't care, but to prove a point, hyperbole their dislike for the programmes and instead -- again, to prove a point -- act like they're racists.

Just my observations.

Gah.... People simply stirring the hornets nest.
Don't you think that alot of people are given (In U.S.A at least) a right to their own opinion? Honestly... if we just cooled our accusations... get outside people, or play PS2, you have either option...

A White Nationalist website where they practice things such as, sister-fucking, beleving that the Untermenschen Jews, being the weakling dirt they are, still manage to control the world and enslave the strong Aryan race without even being exposed!

*laughs*

Haha...can you beleive that? :rolleyes:


You are just jealous. Even though you are white they would not accept you as a member and that makes you feel angry and left out.

I understand.

I have a strong suspicion that with that thread we would be forced to vote "No, race is not just skin colour" because it's obviously not and then that would be utilised as an excuse for him to say "Blacks are stupid! You agree with me!" Honestly, we've seen enough of his work to know he's a racist who doesn't want to admit it. Remember when you were arguing for a "pure" white Norway? Against black and Muslim immigration but perfectly happy to let whites into the country?
When the hell did I ever say that?

Gah.... People simply stirring the hornets nest.
Don't you think that alot of people are given (In U.S.A at least) a right to their own opinion? Honestly... if we just cooled our accusations... get outside people, or play PS2, you have either option...

Even though playing the Gamecube would be better. :D

Even though playing the Gamecube would be better. :D
NO...PS2, damnit!!

You just seemed eager to speak up for him, and he reluctant to do so for himself. I thought you might enjoy some dialectic.
Like I said, my purpose was to express agreement over something. You can sort the rest out with him.

NO...PS2, damnit!!

Stormfront is sponsored by Sony. :p

Like I said, my purpose was to express agreement over something. You can sort the rest out with him.
Right then, been grand chatting with you. What are some of your favourite topics for debate?

Stormfront is sponsored by Sony. :p
Aw, shit, you're onto me!

Right then, been grand chatting with you. What are some of your favourite topics for debate?
Economics and mythology usually. Although anything goes.

Ny Nordland is right. For example, that "Is Race Just Skin Color" thread. Everyone ignored the question to be discussed and started ganging up on him with accusations of racism.

Bullshit.

Everyone started 'ganging up' because he posted a claim, backed by a fatally flawed study that was already debunked a couple of months ago.

It's strange, but peddling the same crap a second time makes it no more appetising... and yet, he appeared surprised that people suspect his motives...

I'll have to re-read the thread. I still maintain the question of the topic seemed to go ignored.

Hypotheses which I was looking to be proved or disproved. I did not say my ideas were fact...I was asking questions to find answers, not presenting them as answers.


As to the word games, definitional clarity is of the utmost importance in any debate. Do you use the differences between the races to make any judgment upon individuals, or to formulate any opinions about how society should operate? Do you maintain that Blacks should be removed from Norway, as I believe has been suggested?

If you say "you havent said anything intelligent" while reading few of my posts, that's not very smart itself. And if it is a Hypotheses which needs to be proved or disproved, accept my comments on your dogmas as another hypothesis....
About blacks being removed from Norway, not all of them but some. All being removed would be too much of a sci-fi anyways. I'm for strict immigration restrictions not only against blacks but against all non-europeans. A mass amount of european immigration wouldnt be ok too, but no legislation is needed about it because there is no such thing anyways.

I have a strong suspicion that with that thread we would be forced to vote "No, race is not just skin colour" because it's obviously not and then that would be utilised as an excuse for him to say "Blacks are stupid! You agree with me!" Honestly, we've seen enough of his work to know he's a racist who doesn't want to admit it. Remember when you were arguing for a "pure" white Norway? Against black and Muslim immigration but perfectly happy to let whites into the country?

I was arguing for a norwegian norway....If you are going to call me -ism word, call me ethnicist. Italians are white but I wouldnt be ok with 2 million of them moving here. But that's irrevelant. They wont do it anyways....

You are just jealous. Even though you are white they would not accept you as a member and that makes you feel angry and left out.

I understand.

Yeah it would be funny....That southerns and "untermenschen" (nazi philosophy) slavs not accepting a germanic.

Edit: You might keep the sarcasm when you find it...

Bullshit.

Everyone started 'ganging up' because he posted a claim, backed by a fatally flawed study that was already debunked a couple of months ago.

It's strange, but peddling the same crap a second time makes it no more appetising... and yet, he appeared surprised that people suspect his motives...

"fatally flawed"? :rolleyes: An objective expression would be "under-debate"...Anyway, I'll answer u there later....

If you say "you havent said anything intelligent" while reading few of my posts, that's not very smart itself. And if it is a Hypotheses which needs to be proved or disproved, accept my comments on your dogmas as another hypothesis....
Fair enough. Although I think I said I hadn't seen anything intelligent, not the same as you hadn't said anything intelligent.


About blacks being removed from Norway, not all of them but some. All being removed would be too much of a sci-fi anyways. I'm for strict immigration restrictions not only against blacks but against all non-europeans. A mass amount of european immigration wouldnt be ok too, but no legislation is needed about it because there is no such thing anyways.
That, then, is racist. You are advocating discriminatory treatment based upon ethnic origin. That'll fit into just about any definition of prejudice, no matter how you try and dress it up.

It's no more racist than the Nativist movement of the mid-late 19th to early 20th century.

I was arguing for a norwegian norway....If you are going to call me -ism word, call me ethnicist. Italians are white but I wouldnt be ok with 2 million of them moving here. But that's irrevelant. They wont do it anyways....
Ever heard of Slobodan Milosevic and ethnic cleansing? No? Maybe Rwanda, and Theoneste Bagosara? I hate to use it, but I know you've heard of the Holocaust. Those folks were all ethnicists, too.

Fair enough. Although I think I said I hadn't seen anything intelligent, not the same as you hadn't said anything intelligent.


That, then, is racist. You are advocating discriminatory treatment based upon ethnic origin. That'll fit into just about any definition of prejudice, no matter how you try and dress it up.

That ethnic discrimination is not along racial lines. Your assumption that all countries should be multicultural is prejeduce itself....

Ever heard of Slobodan Milosevic and ethnic cleansing? No? Maybe Rwanda, and Theoneste Bagosara? I hate to use it, but I know you've heard of the Holocaust. Those folks were all ethnicists, too.

Stalin was a socialist too but I'm not worried that socialist parties will want to kill millions in europe....
There are extremes/murderers within any political thought....

I was arguing for a norwegian norway....If you are going to call me -ism word, call me ethnicist. Italians are white but I wouldnt be ok with 2 million of them moving here. But that's irrevelant. They wont do it anyways....

It's not the only thing you argue. You're in every thread about race and every thread you start is to argue about the difference in race no matter how weak the evidence is you're peddling. Do you think we think it's just a coincidence that you're constantly on about white people?

It's not the only thing you argue. You're in every thread about race and every thread you start is to argue about the difference in race no matter how weak the evidence is you're peddling. Do you think we think it's just a coincidence that you're constantly on about white people?

Yeah, because whites are the only "race"/race whose numbers are decreasing...
I made a car thread, eurovision thread, al queda thread, so you are disproven.

That ethnic discrimination is not along racial lines. Your assumption that all countries should be multicultural is prejeduce itself....

Ha. No one actually argues that all countries should be multicultural. We simply think that it's racist to keep people based on the color of their skin. And you've said repeatedly you are more concerned about arabs than white people. You've suggested that only europeans should be allowed in your threads. Do you think we enter each new thread and forget what you've said before? Claiming this is just about Norway is ridiculous to the extreme.

Stalin was a socialist too
Talk about a broken record. The last time you erroneously brought this up, I made quite the point of underscoring (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11007528&postcount=243) that Stalin was "a totalitarian who perverted the Revolution in order to seize total executive power for life." Not a Socialist.

In light of the fact that you persist in perpetuating this red herring, I still call bullshit. But I'm not calling bullshit on this lamentable thread, not like last time; instead, I call bullshit on you. And your supporters.

That ethnic discrimination is not along racial lines. Your assumption that all countries should be multicultural is prejeduce itself....
Please differentiate for me between ethnicity and race. And I did not say that all countries should be multicultural. I happen to be opposed to official multiculturalism in Canada. That may be somewhat racist, and I'm comfortable with that knowledge about myself.

I never said Norway had to be multicultural. I just want you to stop with the BS about ethnicism. It's racism, and maybe you're OK with that and maybe you're not. I'm not judging you as a bad person based on whether you want Moslems moving into Oslo. Why are you always so defensive, instead of proud about your views?

Hypothesis: You want no Blacks in Norway because you hate niggers and don't want the cotton-pickers taking your pretty little blonde girls. You know that such a view is stupid, so you try to disguise it in political terms of ethnicism and traditionalism.

Yeah, because whites are the only "race"/race whose numbers are decreasing...
I made a car thread, eurovision thread, al queda thread, so you are disproven.

Ha. Whites aren't decreasing. I beat that point to a pulp in the other thread. I don't think you've ever shown a decreasing population in any compelling way, and in all of North America whites are increasing. You mean to say they MAY decrease in forty years, possibly, if things just happen to go a particular way. You're not at all interested in presenting things as they actually are, are you? You don't make the slightest effort to at least admit you are talking about predictions not an actual trends.

Ha. No one actually argues that all countries should be multicultural. We simply think that it's racist to keep people based on the color of their skin. And you've said repeatedly you are more concerned about arabs than white people. You've suggested that only europeans should be allowed in your threads. Do you think we enter each new thread and forget what you've said before? Claiming this is just about Norway is ridiculous to the extreme.

Yeah I think no country in Europe should be multicultural. And you know what I mean, dont argue some countries already are (Belgium : Waloon/Flemish) but that doesnt go for Europe only. I wouldnt want Japan or China or Kenya becoming multicultural neither, because I believe this melting pot thing destroys/alters local cultures....This is more pronounced in Europe, with it's declining population and massive immigration....

I wouldnt want Japan or China or Kenya becoming multicultural neither, because I believe this melting pot thing destroys/alters local cultures....
Well, you're wrong. Plainly and simply put - you're wrong.

Ha. Whites aren't decreasing. I beat that point to a pulp in the other thread. I don't think you've ever shown a decreasing population in any compelling way, and in all of North America whites are increasing. You mean to say they MAY decrease in forty years, possibly, if things just happen to go a particular way. You're not at all interested in presenting things as they actually are, are you? You don't make the slightest effort to at least admit you are talking about predictions not an actual trends.

You are repeating yourself. Even if American whites are CURRENTLY rising, they arent enough to cover losses in Europe. European population loss is very dramatic and u still dont get it. If trends continue, it'll be even worse. And to reverse that trends you gotta do something now. Because population trends arent changed in 1 day.

"fatally flawed"? :rolleyes: An objective expression would be "under-debate"...Anyway, I'll answer u there later....

No... actually 'fatally flawed' IS objective. One would have to bring a wagonload of bias to the debate to even attempt to defend it as 'under debate'.

Of course - that is the subject of THAT 'debate'... not THIS one.

Well, you're wrong. Plainly and simply put - you're wrong.

A multicultural UK wouldnt be much different from Canada or USA would it?

Yeah I think no country in Europe should be multicultural. And you know what I mean, dont argue some countries already are (Belgium : Waloon/Flemish) but that doesnt go for Europe only. I wouldnt want Japan or China or Kenya becoming multicultural neither, because I believe this melting pot thing destroys/alters local cultures....This is more pronounced in Europe, with it's declining population and massive immigration....

Any 'culture' that cannot survive alongside another, doesn't deserve to.

A multicultural UK wouldnt be much different from Canada or USA would it?
Dude - the UK is multicultural. And no, it's nothing like Canada or the US. Wake up and smell reality, already.

A multicultural UK wouldnt be much different from Canada or USA would it?

Have you BEEN to the UK... or to the US?

It's no more racist than the Nativist movement of the mid-late 19th to early 20th century.
Which is considered by every historian alive to be one of the most racist political parties in the history of the U.S.

Please differentiate for me between ethnicity and race. And I did not say that all countries should be multicultural. I happen to be opposed to official multiculturalism in Canada. That may be somewhat racist, and I'm comfortable with that knowledge about myself.

I never said Norway had to be multicultural. I just want you to stop with the BS about ethnicism. It's racism, and maybe you're OK with that and maybe you're not. I'm not judging you as a bad person based on whether you want Moslems moving into Oslo. Why are you always so defensive, instead of proud about your views?

Hypothesis: You want no Blacks in Norway because you hate niggers and don't want the cotton-pickers taking your pretty little blonde girls. You know that such a view is stupid, so you try to disguise it in political terms of ethnicism and traditionalism.

ethnicicty: Norwegian, french, italian (all white)
race: white, black, east asian, indian, etc...

I dont hate "niggers", it's just they are foreign, like asians...

Dude - the UK is multicultural. And no, it's nothing like Canada or the US. Wake up and smell reality, already.

UK with what 9% non british and UK with 55% non british would be reeealy different.

You are repeating yourself. Even if American whites are CURRENTLY rising, they arent enough to cover losses in Europe. European population loss is very dramatic and u still dont get it. If trends continue, it'll be even worse. And to reverse that trends you gotta do something now. Because population trends arent changed in 1 day.

If being white was advantageous it would prosper. If whites do decline it's evidence that they were due to decline. If you want to look for evidence of 'superiority' or lack thereof, one should begin by looking at a population that has a large life expectancy, no noticable problem with fertility, no noticable problem with infant deaths or deaths before maturity and yet is declining. If the white populatoin suddenly decides to stop reproducing (a claim you've been making for weeks but everytime you try to prove it you get crushed) why should anyone care? It's not genocide. It's like suggesting a couple who chooses not to have children is slowly being murdered. Why should we be upset because people are willingly choosing not to have a lot of children? I'm not. Only someone who puts an inordinate value on race would give a flying crap about such a thing.

I dont hate "niggers", it's just they are foreign, like asians...
Do you know anybody who was born with a blue birthmark? It's quite common amongst white Europeans. It means you have Mongol blood in your ancestry.

Talk about a broken record. The last time you erroneously brought this up, I made quite the point of underscoring (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11007528&postcount=243) that Stalin was "a totalitarian who perverted the Revolution in order to seize total executive power for life." Not a Socialist.

In light of the fact that you persist in perpetuating this red herring, I still call bullshit. But I'm not calling bullshit on this lamentable thread, not like last time; instead, I call bullshit on you. And your supporters.

Stalin perverted revolution just as hitler perverted ethnicism. The point isnt socialism is bad but it is that political ideologies shouldnt be equal to perverts....Hitler was bad, killed millions, but that doesnt mean any anti immigrant is hitler. Smilarly Stalin was bad, he killed millions, that doesnt mean all socialists are stalin. I answered this to Trostia. Now you get my point?

Any 'culture' that cannot survive alongside another, doesn't deserve to.

Culture can survive side by side in their countries instead of surviving INSIDE a country....

Any 'culture' that cannot survive alongside another, doesn't deserve to.

Amusingly, he compares it to a violent destruction with words like "genocide". Apparently, it's someone's fault that white people aren't choosing to reproduce enough for Nord's tastes. White people must be just so fatally flawed that we have to step in and prevent their extinction, the poor dears.

UK with what 9% non british and UK with 55% non british would be reeealy different.
Well, so far that UK exists only in your paranoiac fantasy-world.

UK with what 9% non british and UK with 55% non british would be reeealy different.

DEAR GOD!!! PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO PREVENT THIS HORROR!!!

Culture can survive side by side in their countries instead of surviving INSIDE a country....

What kind of worthwhile culture can't compete with other cultures unless protected by legal action?

"Sure, we can compete as long as we don't have to compete with anyone."


Personally, I have more faith in people who happen to have white skin than you do. I think they've survived this long, they'll be fine.

I wouldnt want Japan or China or Kenya becoming multicultural neither, because I believe this melting pot thing destroys/alters local cultures....
Well, you're wrong. Plainly and simply put - you're wrong.
TV, international chain-stores and insufficient local funding of cultural activities destroy many more local cultures than multiculturalism.

Culture can survive side by side in their countries instead of surviving INSIDE a country....

But, the question is, why SHOULD they?

Political borders are nonsensical boundaries to the movement of factions of coloured skin.

But - my point remains... if you advocate a 'culture' that literally CAN NOT survive alongside another culture (and we are not talking about war or oppression), then it is a 'weak' culture... and the 'evolution' of cultures should show it as unfit to survive.

Amusingly, he compares it to a violent destruction with words like "genocide". Apparently, it's someone's fault that white people aren't choosing to reproduce enough for Nord's tastes. White people must be just so fatally flawed that we have to step in and prevent their extinction, the poor dears.

Even if 'white' people WERE spiraling towards destruction (which, I do not believe the evidence supports)... the idea of preserving national borders against incursion of darker skins, is ridiculous.

It's like... he somehow expects that, if 'whites' DID fade from the map, certain countries should be 'left empty', because they are 'for' white people...?

If being white was advantageous it would prosper. If whites do decline it's evidence that they were due to decline. If you want to look for evidence of 'superiority' or lack thereof, one should begin by looking at a population that has a large life expectancy, no noticable problem with fertility, no noticable problem with infant deaths or deaths before maturity and yet is declining. If the white populatoin suddenly decides to stop reproducing (a claim you've been making for weeks but everytime you try to prove it you get crushed) why should anyone care? It's not genocide. It's like suggesting a couple who chooses not to have children is slowly being murdered. Why should we be upset because people are willingly choosing not to have a lot of children? I'm not. Only someone who puts an inordinate value on race would give a flying crap about such a thing.

What was that you kept saying? "Correlation is not the same as causation." Whites declining might not mean they are disadventageous but might be because of reasons of cultural/social stuff...It's not as simple as choosing. There are economical concerns. Most people in europe would want more children, according to surveys.
But instead of addressing this, politicians lets more immigrants though in many countries majority thinks there are enough immigrants....
And "a claim you've been making for weeks but everytime you try to prove it you get crushed"? Are you delusional? You havent proved US whites are covering the loss in europe. You havent proved US Cencus projections is wrong....You are repeating yourself as usual. Is this your tactic? Saying same things over and over until your opponent gets bored?

Well, so far that UK exists only in your paranoiac fantasy-world.

It will be real, if trends continue. Declining native british and constant flow of immigrants...

But, the question is, why SHOULD they?

Political borders are nonsensical boundaries to the movement of factions of coloured skin.

But - my point remains... if you advocate a 'culture' that literally CAN NOT survive alongside another culture (and we are not talking about war or oppression), then it is a 'weak' culture... and the 'evolution' of cultures should show it as unfit to survive.

Yeah it is a weak culture. Hence I advocate it being changed. Instead of a "let the immigrants flood" culture it should be "what we can do to inrease birth rate" culture....

What was that you kept saying? "Correlation is not the same as causation." Whites declining might not mean they are disadventageous but might be because of reasons of cultural/social stuff...

We're talking about a cultural/social grouping. If the reasons are cultural/social then that shows the cultural/social grouping is not fit to survive. I'm not suggesting that they are genetically inferior. I said it would be evidence of the culture/society no longer being successful, and your reply is that maybe it's because of the culture/society. You're ability to aide my points never ceases to amuse.

It's not as simple as choosing. There are economical concerns. Most people in europe would want more children, according to surveys.

Yet, they're not having them. The culture is so successful that people don't have children that want them while other cultures do. Hmmm... more evidence against them.

But instead of addressing this, politicians lets more immigrants though in many countries majority thinks there are enough immigrants....

Says nothing about the point.

And "a claim you've been making for weeks but everytime you try to prove it you get crushed"? Are you delusional? You havent proved US whites are covering the loss in europe. You havent proved US Cencus projections is wrong....You are repeating yourself as usual. Is this your tactic? Saying same things over and over until your opponent gets bored?
Ha. Yes, I noticed everyone was begging you to stop destroying me because it was bullying. Oh, wait, that was me they asked to stop picking on you. Your claims are ridiculous. I'm still hoping that you'll show it to someone reliable in person. I want you to actually SEE what a reaction to posts like yours look like. By the end of that thread, you didn't have a single supporter.

Even if 'white' people WERE spiraling towards destruction (which, I do not believe the evidence supports)... the idea of preserving national borders against incursion of darker skins, is ridiculous.

It's like... he somehow expects that, if 'whites' DID fade from the map, certain countries should be 'left empty', because they are 'for' white people...?

Yeah white people are native to Europe. And would u be ok of "white extinction" if it happened. I'm not arguing, just hypothetical....

Even if 'white' people WERE spiraling towards destruction (which, I do not believe the evidence supports)... the idea of preserving national borders against incursion of darker skins, is ridiculous.

It's like... he somehow expects that, if 'whites' DID fade from the map, certain countries should be 'left empty', because they are 'for' white people...?

I loved that last one. I say perhaps there is a cultural problem if the culture doesn't survive and his response is to say I'm wrong and that it's could be a cutural problem. Hilarious.

Yeah white people are native to Europe. And would u be ok of "white extinction" if it happened. I'm not arguing, just hypothetical....

I would be okay with it. I don't see any value in racial distinctions. I've never seen an compelling evidence that there is any advantage to keeping races around. I would want them to be driven to extinction, but I've seen no indication that is occurring or has any chance of occurring. Quite frankly, pretty much every other issue I can think of is more important than something that isn't happening and isn't likely to happen.

But, the question is, why SHOULD they?

Political borders are nonsensical boundaries to the movement of factions of coloured skin.

But - my point remains... if you advocate a 'culture' that literally CAN NOT survive alongside another culture (and we are not talking about war or oppression), then it is a 'weak' culture... and the 'evolution' of cultures should show it as unfit to survive.

Isnt that the same logic as apartheid?

Hitler was bad, killed millions, but that doesnt mean any anti immigrant is hitler.
Ahh, 'Hitler-as-monster'. One of my perennial favourites. No, you don't get off the hook that easily. The true horror of Hitler and his Nazi Party was, as described to me personally by a neighbour (who, as a schoolboy, had been unhappily conscripted to fight in the last six months of the war, for the Nazis, in what was then Danzig) that he and the rest of his Party Members were not considered to be at all monstrous at that time - far from it. They were your neighbours, your friends - the people you'd meet at your local pub. Average people by all accounts. Therein lies the horror; that average, normal everyday people could become directly or indirectly involved with, or be seen to give even tacit approval to Chauvinism, to ethnic nationalism, to scapegoating minorities for all their societal woes, to attempting Genocide.

The very minute you try to portray Hitler as a monster - a demon - a bogeyman - you minimize the one important lesson learned from the Second World War, chiefly: that we must always be on guard, on guard against that wretched quality of humanity that gives rise to figures like Hitler. After all, once you've rendered a Hitler into something other-than-human, it becomes too easy to dismiss the warning signs of impending Despotism and incipient racism within a society as 'not possible' - but why? Because your current leaders are all average, normal everyday people?

Do you see where I'm going with this, Ny?

And do you see why I cannot - nor can anyone, really - afford to make distinctions between Hitler and any old anti-immigrant. They will always be - of necessity - the same thing in my mind.

We're talking about a cultural/social grouping. If the reasons are cultural/social then that shows the cultural/social grouping is not fit to survive. I'm not suggesting that they are genetically inferior. I said it would be evidence of the culture/society no longer being successful, and your reply is that maybe it's because of the culture/society. You're ability to aide my points never ceases to amuse.

Says nothing about the point.


Ha. Yes, I noticed everyone was begging you to stop destroying me because it was bullying. Oh, wait, that was me they asked to stop picking on you. Your claims are ridiculous. I'm still hoping that you'll show it to someone reliable in person. I want you to actually SEE what a reaction to posts like yours look like. By the end of that thread, you didn't have a single supporter.

People being 3 person who were supporting u from the beginning?
You didnt have much supporters neither, actually not many were reading because you dragged it too long, as usual.


Yet, they're not having them. The culture is so successful that people don't have children that want them while other cultures do. Hmmm... more evidence against them.


Part of that consumerist culture needs to be changed....
Anyway, I'm off to bed

I loved that last one. I say perhaps there is a cultural problem if the culture doesn't survive and his response is to say I'm wrong and that it's could be a cutural problem. Hilarious.

While Norwegian culture needs to be preserved, parts of that culture (consumerists) needs be changed. Now get it?

I would be okay with it. I don't see any value in racial distinctions. I've never seen an compelling evidence that there is any advantage to keeping races around. I would want them to be driven to extinction, but I've seen no indication that is occurring or has any chance of occurring. Quite frankly, pretty much every other issue I can think of is more important than something that isn't happening and isn't likely to happen.

For someone valueing diversity, you want diversity to lessen? :rolleyes:

Yeah it is a weak culture. Hence I advocate it being changed. Instead of a "let the immigrants flood" culture it should be "what we can do to inrease birth rate" culture....

You keep trying to relate these two points, but they aren't related at all. Immigration isn't reducing the birthrate of white people. It's just silly. "Oh, dear God, foreign people!! Let's stop reproducing." Oddly, tons of immigrant cultures have been wildly successful, so one must suggest that perhaps the problem is unrelated.

Ahh, 'Hitler-as-monster'. One of my perennial favourites. No, you don't get off the hook that easily. The true horror of Hitler and his Nazi Party was, as described to me personally by a neighbour (who, as a schoolboy, had been unhappily conscripted to fight in the last six months of the war, for the Nazis, in what was then Danzig) that he and the rest of his Party Members were not considered to be at all monstrous at that time - far from it. They were your neighbours, your friends - the people you'd meet at your local pub. Average people by all accounts. Therein lies the horror; that average, normal everyday people could become directly or indirectly involved with, or be seen to give even tacit approval to Chauvinism, to ethnic nationalism, to scapegoating minorities for all their societal woes, to attempting Genocide.

The very minute you try to portray Hitler as a monster - a demon - a bogeyman - you minimize the one important lesson learned from the Second World War, chiefly: that we must always be on guard, on guard against that wretched quality of humanity that gives rise to figures like Hitler. After all, once you've rendered a Hitler into something other-than-human, it becomes too easy to dismiss the warning signs of impending Despotism and incipient racism within a society as 'not possible' - but why? Because your current leaders are all average, normal everyday people?

Do you see where I'm going with this, Ny?

And do you see why I cannot - nor can anyone, really - afford to make distinctions between Hitler and any old anti-immigrant. They will always be - of necessity - the same thing in my mind.

Fine. I'm against violence. And my ideology is superior than yours given you are for murder....Be on vanguard against yourself....

I'm NOW off to bed....

It will be real, if trends continue. Declining native british and constant flow of immigrants...
So what?

What you going to do - force people to have children? Refuse to let Brits emigrate? Spike the water supply with fertility drugs?

Why don't you rail against an economic model that promotes childlessness by placing premiums on child-rearing?

I guess it's just easier to scapegoat people who don't look like you, eh?

Beats me. I'm NOT predjuiced (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-090.gif)... :D

For someone valueing diversity, you want diversity to lessen? :rolleyes:

I didn't say I wanted it to happen. I just don't care if it does. You also have shown no indication that protecting white people will create or protect diversity. Nor have you shown they need protecting. Meanwhile, no one's rights are being violated. In fact, one could much more easily argue the opposite.

Fine. I'm against violence. And my ideology is superior than yours given you are for murder....Be on vanguard against yourself....

I'm NOW off to bed....
Your distorted comments are referring to an off-hand comment I made last week wherein I agreed with the sentiments of another poster who suggested shutting racists into holes in the ground in order to let them rot.

I stand by my agreement; I did not advocate murder; I do not have to tolerate the intolerance of others. Feel hard done by?

Tough-o, pally.

People being 3 person who were supporting u from the beginning?
You didnt have much supporters neither, actually not many were reading because you dragged it too long, as usual.

I dragged it on too long because long after I'd destroyed your point you were still defending it. Your assessment is simply more evidence. Hmmm... wonder why they were supporting me? I'm not appealing to popularity only, but have you noticed that you pretty much have never been supported in any thread by anyone who didn't admit to being a racist might be an indication of the problem with your points.

You were welcome to stop that thread at any point. But instead as in every thread you just declare that black is white and act like we're being unfair when we point out the flaw in that.

Part of that consumerist culture needs to be changed....
Anyway, I'm off to bed
Ha. So the culture is flawed. Great. What does immigration have to do with addressing that problem? You keep tying two unrelated topics together as if immigration and white birthrate that satisifes you are mutually exclusive.

In the bar scene, gotta pay 10$ just to say hello, then get told to screw ourselves...

This bouncer calls bullshit... your attitude is getting in the way of you geting a date.

You've got integrity; that shows even here in the forum. You certainly speak honestly enough, and you dont seem to be shy. Perhaps none of that translates in RL; I cannot say.

Assuming that you are reasonable proficient with body language(in a sub conscious sense), the I'd say you just need to slow down. Dont come on too strong.

Other than that, you need to be well groomed and clean. Even funny ugly guys get layed.

Dont suck up to them, dont compliment them, dont buy them a drink. Strangers bearing gifts are immediately mistrusted.

In fact, in direct opposition of doing a favour(buying a drink/ rose/ compliment), ask one. Ask a cute woman to watch your jacket while you go to the bathroom. A woman wants a guy that will take a risk, and also one that will trust her. Its also related "the foot in the door" technique. If she is willing to do a small favour for you, she will be willing to make further sacrifices for you, like her company.

When you return, if your goods are still there, she may ask you to return the favour, or you might ask her. In the case of an affirmative, you know she trusts you back, if only a little. If she doesnt, say your goodbyes, this isnt the right one for you.

Beats me. I'm NOT predjuiced (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-090.gif)... :D
For the love of God will you stop doing that?

This is my first and probably last post...I have read all 400+ messages here and am at once proud to see a 16 year old with no biases and a beautiful outlook on humanity and then disgusted by those that think their race/ethnicity is actually important enough to spend an entire day defending in an internet forum.

It is unbelievable to me that some people think they are not racist when they so clearly are. Ny Norland you must ask yourself...to life death and the universe would it actually matter if any particular race or ethnicity is wiped off the planet? (passively of course by the dreaded inbreeding you are so fearfull of, not by war or "culling") It has happened throughout history and we (humanity) are still here.

Seriously...what would it matter? Humanity would continue on...as beautiful and as disgusting as it has always been. Loving one another and hating one another and destroying the planet all in the same breath. The fact that the possibility of you losing your culture/ethnicity/race is so important to you makes you a racist. It is so obvious to the rest of us here. As soon as you exclude anyone on the basis of ONLY being different you are a segregator and therefore borderline evil...would you also want the mentally and physically handicapped of your culture gone too? They are also very different and I am sure are not doing anything for your ideal of your "culture". No you don't have to be violent to be a racist...or even a blight on your own culture.

It is too bad that many of the good people here were pulled into your little arguements and addressed your individual distractions from the real point of the matter. (I did notice that you rarely answered a question put directly to you and just answered it with another vaguely similar question.) These good people made as much of a fool of themselves as you have. (Sorry folks I agree with a lot of the antiracist statements you were making but you guys did get suckered by this person.)

More and more I am reminded how much I love humanity...it's the people I can't stand...whatever colour.

*sigh* Peace to all whether you deserve it or not.
Kat

Yeah it is a weak culture. Hence I advocate it being changed. Instead of a "let the immigrants flood" culture it should be "what we can do to inrease birth rate" culture....

Because, of course, 'birth-rate' is what DEFINES your culture?

You talk ephemerae as though they were adamant.

Yeah white people are native to Europe. And would u be ok of "white extinction" if it happened. I'm not arguing, just hypothetical....

You realise - of COURSE - that your post has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the one you are pretending you are responding to?

Nice 'bait-and-switch' technique... I've noticed you DO that, when you don't want to debate the issues.

Would I be 'happy' with a 'white extinction'? What on earth do you mean?

DO you mean - if 'white' cultures became absorbed into 'cosmopolitan' cultures, would I be upset?

Or DO you mean - if all the 'white' people were spontaneously combusted, would I cheer?

Isnt that the same logic as apartheid?

No.

Isnt that the same logic as apartheid?

How unfortunate - you don't know the difference between oppression or a passive occurence. By that measure death is the same as murder. Good to know.