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I know many of you have probably never heard of it, but SimCity 2000 is THE GREATEST GAME EVER!!!

Anyway, this thread is for discusion, slander, and debate about all things SimCity!
If you do not know about SimCity, check out this link:
ZealGames: Do You Have The ZEAL???? (http://zealgames.tripod.com/)

love sim city 2000 but have never played any of the sequels

are they any better? or should i just stick to funkeeville in SC2K?

love sim city 2000 but have never played any of the sequels

are they any better? or should i just stick to funkeeville in SC2K?
Welll, I personally like SimCity 2K, but I would like SC4, too.

SimCity4 is pretty amazing (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/justgotrushed/city.jpg).

(yes thats my city)

Simcity 1 was pretty good for its time.
SC 2 was amazing.
SC 3 was utter crap.
SC 4 was pretty decent.

Most of the other Sims were mediocre at best, with the exception of Sim Ant, which has to be one of the wierdest, yet most fun, strategy games ever.
The Sims were, to be blunt, a money grab. It was a decent game, but the, what, 12 addons selling for $20 each? Please.
I cant wait for Spore though (which is an honourary Sim game), 'tis going to pwn :)

love sim city 2000 but have never played any of the sequels

are they any better? or should i just stick to funkeeville in SC2K?
Stick with 2 k

I have all the sequals ... no real game performance increase with any of the sequals but the newer ones run crappy even on my dual processor hog

SimCity4 is pretty amazing (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/justgotrushed/city.jpg).

(yes thats my city)


graphics sure as hell made an improvement.

i really need to get up to date on games

(most recent PC game bought was Civ I, SC2K, AOEII, and Rainbow Six [the first] that was years ago)

but i enjoy all of them too much to get anything new, because all sequels are anymore is the same game re-hashed with pretty colors and graphics, but not much else.

Stick with 2 k

I have all the sequals ... no real game performance increase with any of the sequals but the newer ones run crappy even on my dual processor hog

2K, as much fun as it was, is nothing compared to SC4. SC4 is much more involved, and the rush hour expansion adds alot more to the gameplay.

SimCity4 is pretty amazing (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/justgotrushed/city.jpg).

(yes thats my city)
Well 4 was alright
3000 blew

Stick with 2 k

I have all the sequals ... no real game performance increase with any of the sequals but the newer ones run crappy even on my dual processor hog


nice since my puter is from 2000 ill just stick to SC2

2K, as much fun as it was, is nothing compared to SC4. SC4 is much more involved, and the rush hour expansion adds alot more to the gameplay.
yeah I made that note I guess I was just disapointed in 3000 ultimate

Right now i'm tempted to leave the Internet and play SC2K. Must...resist....temptation......Krighton......Starter City......

(Yes I have cities named Krighton and Starter City.)

Right now i'm tempted to leave the Internet and plat SC2K. Must...resist....temptation......Krighton......Starter City......

(Yes I have cities named Krighton and Starter City.)


mine are funkeeville, minoriteeburg (its everywhere), and shit city USA

[QUOTE=Xantini]
SC 2 was amazing.
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Yes, it was. Kudos to Xantini for saying the Greatest Game Of All Time(SimCity 2000) is amazing!

mine are funkeeville, minoriteeburg (its everywhere), and shit city USA


I also have a small city named Calvin and Hobbes Land. Yes, Virgina, I love the comic strip THAT MUCH!!

I lost my Simcity data awhile back, and even my best city, Klitville (notice something about the name?) which had a population of like 2 million, and had an enormous treasury of several million simoleones.

Lots of people have trouble getting out of debt. the trick is not to zone huge areas of land at a time, and wait for them to fill up, but to start very small, so you did not spend alot of money, and quickly build lots of little tiny zones, like 8x8, on all sides of your core city. you will very quickly get out of debt, and though you will not have lots of room to grow, and will be constantly expanding that way, but you will have money! Another trick is if you start getting tons of slummy areas, to demolish blocks of land, pause the game, and build a ring roads around the perimeter. the area will quickly begin to revive once you unpause.

Oh, and does anyone ever get in the habit of making their very first building historical, and their first skyscraper?

I also have a small city named Calvin and Hobbes Land. Yes, Virgina, I love the comic strip THAT MUCH!!


long live calvin and hobbes!

http://www.mclink.it/personal/MC9494/img/ch.gif

recticulate my splines, baby ;)


yeah, i loved that game :) one of my first... ah, memories...
the 3000 sequel was my favourite though as it had better graphics, much more detail and improvements, and you could build pretty massive cities really quite quickly... plus, it retained the fun, charm and sense of humour that the original two had :)
sadly all that was lost in 4k :( (and the cities you could build were tiny and crap... yes i know there was the neighbourhood thing but it was just crap imho)

SimCity4 is pretty amazing (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/justgotrushed/city.jpg).

(yes thats my city)
I love Chicago. You even made LSD (Lake Shore Drive.) To make it accurate, you need one highrise on the east side of LSD. That building is the only one on the east side because the man who owns the property paid off Richard J. Daley to get the building permit. (best gov money can buy)

sim city 2000: so simple, yet so entertaining

I've never played Sim City 2000... I loved Sim City, but for whatever reason never got SC2K. Now I can't really find it anywhere.

Oh, and does anyone ever get in the habit of making their very first building historical, and their first skyscraper?


I have.

You know, the very first set of buildings in Krighton were Light Residential houses. and you know what? They haven't been abandoned! NOT ONE OF 'EM!

long live calvin and hobbes!

http://www.mclink.it/personal/MC9494/img/ch.gif


Yes! ALL HAIL CALVIN AND HOBBES! THE RULERS OF THE WORLD!!!:D :D

Yeah, SC2K was cool. Sim City 4 is probably just as good. I like a lot of the extra depth on offer.

UpwardThrust is right though, SC3 was craptastic.

I've never played Sim City 2000... I loved Sim City, but for whatever reason never got SC2K. Now I can't really find it anywhere.


did you try amazon.com?

I love Chicago. You even made LSD (Lake Shore Drive.) To make it accurate, you need one highrise on the east side of LSD. That building is the only one on the east side because the man who owns the property paid off Richard J. Daley to get the building permit. (best gov money can buy)

Yeah, the region map is based on Chicago. I like the way the rivers make a tiny peninsula. Any accuracies are coincidental except the John Hancock Center. I would have used el rails but people dont like the noise they make.

I tried using New York City but it was too friggin huge.

and does anyone ever get in the habit of making their very first building historical, and their first skyscraper?

Just the cool-looking ones.

I have.

You know, the very first set of buildings in Krighton were Light Residential houses. and you know what? They haven't been abandoned! NOT ONE OF 'EM!


speaking of abandoned houses, what is the best way for them not to be abandoned? i tried everything but still people move out, is there something i've done wrong? or is that just the way the game is? (in SC2K of course)

speaking of abandoned houses, what is the best way for them not to be abandoned? i tried everything but still people move out, is there something i've done wrong? or is that just the way the game is? (in SC2K of course)

Low taxes, lots of jobs, good health/education, safety...

Everything pretty much needs to be perfect.

Here's a cheat for SimCity 2000, Windows 95 Edition, Version 1.0: priscilla.

I'm going to keep the effect a suprise!

Also did I mention that SimCity 2K has the OSSUMEST MUSIC EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here's a cheat for SimCity 2000, Windows 95 Edition, Version 1.0: priscilla.

Hehehe, I remember that one...keep an eye out for the old Sim City (Classic) DOS cheat "fund"...25% interest rate for a bond. Needless to say, don't take the deal.

I had the old Windows 95 version with SCURK and the scenario pack added in...it even had the Will TV interviews, a kind of old-school streaming video.

Hehehe, I remember that one...keep an eye out for the old Sim City (Classic) DOS cheat "fund"...25% interest rate for a bond. Needless to say, don't take the deal.

I had the old Windows 95 version with SCURK and the scenario pack added in...it even had the Will TV interviews, a kind of old-school streaming video.

I think if you fund twice, pay it off, and then fund again, youll get a negative interest rate and make like 65,000 a year.

I think if you fund twice, pay it off, and then fund again, youll get a negative interest rate and make like 65,000 a year.

On the DOS version of Sim City 2000, yeah...it's awesome. However, on the Windows version and I think the Mac version you either just get the bonds or even worse a bug that results in losses of millions of dollars each year.

Sim City 3000 was probably my favorite, since it seemed to be the best balance between complexity and gameplay...plus, I liked the building styles.

Low taxes, lots of jobs, good health/education, safety...

Everything pretty much needs to be perfect.


I had tax rate at 0% more jobs than resident (maybe thats my problem), uber mass transit, etc.

but my only problem is keeping residents, keeping business and industry ive never had a problem with

Hehehe, I remember that one...keep an eye out for the old Sim City (Classic) DOS cheat "fund"...25% interest rate for a bond. Needless to say, don't take the deal.

I had the old Windows 95 version with SCURK and the scenario pack added in...it even had the Will TV interviews, a kind of old-school streaming video.


Right after SCURK finishes loading, type in "vaudeville". It's a suprise!

Here's a cheat for SimCity 2000, Windows 95 Edition, Version 1.0: priscilla.

I'm going to keep the effect a suprise!


priscilla is mad money and all gifts right?

Hehehe, I remember that one...keep an eye out for the old Sim City (Classic) DOS cheat "fund"...25% interest rate for a bond. Needless to say, don't take the deal.

I had the old Windows 95 version with SCURK and the scenario pack added in...it even had the Will TV interviews, a kind of old-school streaming video.


thats the version i have the SC2K special edition, the interviews were not pleasing.

Right after SCURK finishes loading, type in "vaudeville". It's a suprise!

I will; I don't think I remember that one so I'll check it out.

I had this old, huge Sim City 2000 strategy book (not even a guide, it was a tome) that was loaded with all kinds of Easter Eggs and stuff like that...it even had a section on hex-editing the game for a money cheat.

I had tax rate at 0% more jobs than resident (maybe thats my problem), uber mass transit, etc.

but my only problem is keeping residents, keeping business and industry ive never had a problem with

you probably need a better health/education/public safety system.

I think I like SimCity 4 with the Rush Hour expansion. It really opened things up. Also the ground design, regional gameplay, and amazing graphics were awesome. But it didn't have the newspaper. ;_;

3000 sorta sucked though. I couldn't figure out what it did besides improve the graphics, and slightly the ground design from 2000.

There's the book I was looking for:

Click Here for the Tome (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0761500758/104-1973304-3946335?v=glance&n=283155)

This thing was a 504 page monster; it was truly a work of gaming art.

Right now i'm working on a new city called Orchard Island. Yes, it is an island.

priscilla is mad money and all gifts right?


Not only that, you get all the disasters you can only find in the scenarios!

One of my friends found something that, though not exactly a cheat, was very unfair. he would lower taxes to as low as they would go in January, so there would be a population explosion, then, On the first day of December, he would boost the taxes to maximum, and make a heap of cash at years end. before the people could leave, he would lower the taxes so that they would stay. He never did find out how to get money the normal way :rolleyes:

I don't know if I ever played SC2k... I played the original SC, which I loved to death. The next I remember hearing about the Sims was some ridiculous piece of crap where you built skyrises.
"Oh, Sim City! How far thou hast fallen!"
And I abandoned the Sims ever since.
I watched my sister playing "The Sims" once... and it looked kinda stupid.
SPORE, however, looks amazing, and gives me hope that future Sims might actually be worth playing!

One of my friends found something that, though not exactly a cheat, was very unfair. he would lower taxes to as low as they would go in January, so there would be a population explosion, then, On the first day of December, he would boost the taxes to maximum, and make a heap of cash at years end. before the people could leave, he would lower the taxes so that they would stay. He never did find out how to get money the normal way :rolleyes:

You just have to build to the point where you are making a profit, and then let the game run overnight with no disasters ;)

SC2k was good for the time.
SC3k was okay for the time.
The could have done MUCH better for SC4. So WE had to. SC4 is crap without Rush Hour and custom content (http://simtropolis.com). You want some REAL SC gaming, you absolutely HAVE to download (http://www.simtropolis.com/modding/index.cfm?p=details&id=380) the Network Addon Modd.

If this sounds like an ad for Simtropolis, it's not. More of an ad for the ST region, which you may join if you are a member of ST.

I just want to tell you all that Orchard Island has come alive!
Still a few bumps to work out, though.

I had Sim City 3000....yuck...just far too much hassle...

Here's the summary i've written up based on your posts:

SimCity Classic: Great
SimCity 2000: Ossum
SimCity 3000: Terrible
SimCity 4: Okay

I know many of you have probably never heard of it, but SimCity 2000 is THE GREATEST GAME EVER!!!

Anyway, this thread is for discusion, slander, and debate about all things SimCity!
If you do not know about SimCity, check out this link:
ZealGames: Do You Have The ZEAL???? (http://zealgames.tripod.com/)


I keep wondering who and why when my threads go dead makes the key words in a thread looking red.

What id like to see in the next sim city are

1) Residential/Commercial combo plots. Like how apartments or high rises have stores and shit on the ground level.

2) THE ABILITY TO BUILD DIAGONALLY AND ON ALL ANGLES.

3) El rails over roads that actually work. I currently surround an el rail with 2 one ways which is okay, except one ways cant connect to neighboring cities, which is another thing I'd like to see changed. In addition, the ability to build el rail/monorail stations on a diagonal, but this is a corollary to #2.

I never got into the Sim Citiy games, the cities you can make are too based on right angles. That's not what a real city looks like, I want to play with a real city. As strange a qualm as this seems, I think the game would be a lot better if you could build round roads instead of having to rigidly stick to a grid. Also it'd be good if there was some kind of random architecture generator, instead of there being the same few buildings over and over again. Again, the games need more realism.

And yes, Spore looks awexome.

loved sim city 2000, 3000 didnt have the same impact

I've played every SimCity since Classic and I have to say whilst 2000 was uber, SimCity4 is great. Rollercoaster Tycoon, on the other hand, is addicting like nobody's business!

I played the original, black-and-white, flat-as-new-sheet-metal SimCity on a Macintosh Classic. The game was addictive, but also very frustrating (I'm kind of a masochist that way). I read and re-read the manual and did everything I could to follow the rules, and I never got large or profitable cities. Much later, I discovered that my desire to keep all the potentially polluting/inconvenient things away from the city core meant a shitload of infrastructure. I'd have the power plants, pumping stations, waste treatment, and airport way the hell over-scrolled in the far-off distance, not realizing that the power lines, sewers and roads were costing me beaucoup.

Something I didn't like was the automatic disruption of services whenever you tore a block down. Completely unrealistic, especially when you had laid down the utilities before putting up the building! It was as if the demolition crews just waltzed in with C4 and primer cord and blew the shit out of the whole block, power lines and all. Dumb.

I may try SC4, but I'm waiting for Civ4 to be 'ported to Mac OSX.

Anyway, I like the Sims 2 more, so far.

Not only that, you get all the disasters you can only find in the scenarios!


yeah i use that code all the time. in minoriteeburg i built a large hill and constructed what you could call a mayors fortress with that code(destroying property in return, but its not mine so who cares?)

Well thank you all very much ... I spent all last night playing Sim City 2k 3k and 4 lol

There's the book I was looking for:

Click Here for the Tome (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0761500758/104-1973304-3946335?v=glance&n=283155)

This thing was a 504 page monster; it was truly a work of gaming art.
Lol is it sad that I own that?

You know, there was a custom building creator in SC 3000. I never progressed farther than making a suburban house, but if you have the time and a complete city, you can make some, and then switch out current buildings with the new model.

Lol is it sad that I own that?


i checked the price on amazon, i guess its not so popular anymore....



SimCity 2000: Power, Politics, and Planning : Revised Edition (Secrets of the Games) (Paperback)
by Nick Dargahi, Michael Bremer
Availability: Available from these sellers.
27 used & new available from $0.06

i checked the price on amazon, i guess its not so popular anymore....
I bought it back when the game was origionaly released ... it was a bit more then that

I bought it back when the game was origionaly released ... it was a bit more then that


if i get the time and the .06 cents i might get a copy.


i havent played SC2K in a long time, and i need to get back to it.

if i get the time and the .06 cents i might get a copy.


i havent played SC2K in a long time, and i need to get back to it.
I actually like the game design … everything in its own spawned windows with borders … it actually works really nice on my dual monitor (I will take a screen shot later)

But I can leave population graphs and such all open on the second monitor and sense it is in a window and runs at the native resolution it does not freak with things when switching to another program (and you can do it with the mouse rather then just the keyboard)

Very handy

On SC2k did anyone ever discover the 'Secret to Sim Earth' or whatever it was? You know, the one it said could be found if you built enough of those massive arcologies.

On SC2k did anyone ever discover the 'Secret to Sim Earth' or whatever it was? You know, the one it said could be found if you built enough of those massive arcologies.
Yup ... LAUNCH!

On SC2k did anyone ever discover the 'Secret to Sim Earth' or whatever it was? You know, the one it said could be found if you built enough of those massive arcologies.They take off into space.

EDIT: Too late... Meh; I'll leave it as it is.

Yup ... LAUNCH!

Them's the ones!

Wow, so that's it? Is it some awesomely funk-ay animation? And how many exactly did you have to get?

Incidentally, while we're on the subject, who here played Sim Tower? Am I the only one that loved that game?

I actually like the game design … everything in its own spawned windows with borders … it actually works really nice on my dual monitor (I will take a screen shot later)

But I can leave population graphs and such all open on the second monitor and sense it is in a window and runs at the native resolution it does not freak with things when switching to another program (and you can do it with the mouse rather then just the keyboard)

Very handy


sounds like you put a lot of time into your simcity, even more than maxis themselves

Them's the ones!

Wow, so that's it? Is it some awesomely funk-ay animation? And how many exactly did you have to get?

Incidentally, while we're on the subject, who here played Sim Tower? Am I the only one that loved that game?
Yup loved it as well as sim copter and sim farm

sounds like you put a lot of time into your simcity, even more than maxis themselves
Lol I did not try it till last night :)

Lol I did not try it till last night :)


is there a place to get updates if there are any for SC2K? I have to reinstall it.....

is there a place to get updates if there are any for SC2K? I have to reinstall it.....
I had to re-install it too ... I did not update it I will look for you

Note: looked for the version 1.2 patch ... does not seem all that important but that is the newist patch that I could see (have not found a download point that is free yet)

I had to re-install it too ... I did not update it I will look for you

Note: looked for the version 1.2 patch ... does not seem all that important but that is the newist patch that I could see (have not found a download point that is free yet)


thanks a lot ill check later on when i get home from work, do you have a link for the site by any chance?

thanks a lot ill check later on when i get home from work, do you have a link for the site by any chance?
Ill hunt it down ... I may have it somewhere

Here's another cheat for SC2K: joke.

Here's another cheat for SC2K: joke.
How about oivaizmir lol

(Sad thing is I REMEMBER that cheet from like 10 years ago)

One word. Priscilla...

Porn - "I can't get enooooough!" heh.

I quite liked 2k3 myself, but I can see why people hated it. It was pretty easy, and the new additions weren't that major.

it sucks arse.

it sucks arse.
Because...

Well, the water system in Orchard Island is up and running. The city started in 1900 so i'll have to wait for windmills and subways to be invented before I install a prison.

Hey, does anyone have a website about one of their SimCities or a picture of any of their SimCities?
Doesn't matter what version of SimCity.

By the way, I remember a nice "feature" (bug) that allows you to make "swamps". I don't remember exactly how it works (it's been a few years), but it involves placing lakes and adjusting the water level, and then holding down a button (shift or ctrl, I think) while attempting to place a forest over it. It will work, and you will end up with trees on the water. Pointless, but can look nice.

Simcity 1 was pretty good for its time.
SC 2 was amazing.
SC 3 was utter crap.
SC 4 was pretty decent.

Most of the other Sims were mediocre at best, with the exception of Sim Ant, which has to be one of the wierdest, yet most fun, strategy games ever.
The Sims were, to be blunt, a money grab. It was a decent game, but the, what, 12 addons selling for $20 each? Please.
I cant wait for Spore though (which is an honourary Sim game), 'tis going to pwn :)
Sim Tower is absurdly entertaining... even if I kept being bombed out of house and home.

Sim City 2000 rules... apart from Civilization II, it's one of the only early- to mid-90's computer games that remains fun. The first time I played it, I had no clue how to go about building infrastructure, so I ended up building my little burg right next to one of the preinstalled ones (Sam's Town, I believe), so I could leech off of their power and water...

But once I got good, I got *good*. Triton, New Triton, Xinthridius, Powell, New Mombasa, Harcourt City... good times, good times.

Some great SC2K memories:
- "Reticulating splines"
- "This is SimCopter 1 reporting heavy traffic"
- the mad-lib newspaper articles
- "Industrial thingamajig"
- all the arcology backstories (the Narwhal 3000, the Darco's subhumans, the Greater EastAsian Co-Prosperity Sphere)
- Glorioso. That is one pretentious city.
- The whale-shaped city. WTF?


Wow, so that's it? Is it some awesomely funk-ay animation? And how many exactly did you have to get?
It's not much. You have to build several hundred Launch Arcos to get the "animation", if you can call it that. Basically, you get a text box that says something about your citizenry deciding to colonize another world. Once you click "OK", all your Launch Arcos start blowing up, one by one. And I don't mean launching into space. I mean being automatically bulldozed. So the reward for centuries of developing your small town into an Arcological wonder of millions? A city strewn with the rubble of launched arcologies, its infrastructure in tatters.

You can see it for yourself without the work -- just go to the preinstalled city called "349_arco" (or something like that). Load it up and set the speed to "African Swallow". After a few seconds, they'll start launching. Be warned, though: it takes a long time to complete, and there's no way to stop it once it starts.

I was an avid SimCity player until one-year ago. 3000 was a major disappointment but 4 had enough new features to make things worthwhile. Too bad about the Reaganomics they try to enforce.

I hacked into my old copy of SimCity 2000 using ResEdit and turned it into 'Scum-Wah 2000'. Basically, I debauched the program to as great an extent as possible.

Yup loved it as well as sim copter and sim farm
Sim Copter was great. Crashing into criminal cars while they shoot at you. (What's funny that if the Criminal gets injured you get a free medievac mission) Rescusing idiots from their boats. What was neat that if it was a city you made. Any flaws in it. (Bad Airfield location, Bad road system) would eventually cause problems in SimCopter. There was this intersection that was in my thing that kept getting jammed up because I didn't make enough roads in SimCity 2000.

And also...

What was cool was chasing after that damn spaceship with the Apache. You get $50,000 for crashing it. It was so annoying, always starting fires. Plus when it set the Nuclear powerplant on fire it nuked the city.



How to get cruel in the riots.
I had a patented 5 step plan for that.

1. Use the Megaphone disperse thing.
2. Pick up a ton of police officers, call cars in to stop it.
3. The bucket and the Water cannon.
4. Bombardment of Tear Gas.
5. (By this time if they're still at it then who cares) Go grab the Apache, and come back...

3 was really good imo, But 2 had so many easter eggs in it you just cant not say its bad.

I love Sim City 2000. The effects of the game are great. And the diesasters are so mutch better!

At the risk of being lynched, I have to say that I never liked Sim City.

Put those stones down! Let me explain.

I like the idea of the games, and have both the very original and one of the latest, Sim City 4, I think. I just could never get into the games, because I never found a way of making it actually work. As far as I could tell, no matter how much you raised taxes (causing everyone to leave) and cut costs (causing everyone to strike), your income was still always about 10 times lower than the outgoings, and the city went bust.

If someone would tell me how to actually play what you all say is a good game, I would be grateful!

Sim 2 is better anyway. :p

*throws rocks at cities*

Sim Tower is absurdly entertaining... even if I kept being bombed out of house and home.

Hah! You just didn't have enough security teams. I paid for the first few times, then I got tired of it and stuck a dozen extra security stations. Never got bombed after that.

I had problems with wait lines on the lifts though. The whole place was so populated it got to the point where there'd be queues miles long at the lifts and people who lined up at 6am got down at 9pm.

Kinda like government service lines :p

Sim City 2000 is OK except it won't be seeing much time due me getting Quake 4 today ... :D

But once I got good, I got *good*. Triton, New Triton, Xinthridius, Powell, New Mombasa, Harcourt City... good times, good times.




You mean you named one of your cities after New Mombasa in Halo 2??

Did you make a tile set? Tell u about it! Post pictures if you have to!

Mine is "Stripey". It's basically different colored stripes on buildings. It makes for one weird lookin' city!

I like the idea of the games, and have both the very original and one of the latest, Sim City 4, I think. I just could never get into the games, because I never found a way of making it actually work. As far as I could tell, no matter how much you raised taxes (causing everyone to leave) and cut costs (causing everyone to strike), your income was still always about 10 times lower than the outgoings, and the city went bust.

You have to start small, build services as required, not all at once. Start with a small town.

Well, the water system in Orchard Island is up and running. The city started in 1900 so i'll have to wait for windmills and subways to be invented before I install a prison.
Put in a waterfall ... hydroelectric is how Slacktop is powered

Hmm, how did I play SC2000. I think I always used hydroplants at the beginning. They're more expensive per MWh, but you get a lot less wasteage and no replacement costs. Don't build any amenities or enact any ordinances (except gambling), until your advisors and the newspaper start screaming at you to build/enact them. Always build low density in the beginning. If growth does slow then it probably just means you need to conect your city to a neighbour. Oh, and don't build a water system until later on.

Basically, if it's time to do something other than zoning RCI then the newspaper will let you know (youonly need to have extra ticked and not subscription).

I haven't played that game in years, yet I still remember it vividly. :eek:

*goes to play SC4 - I'm crap at SC4, I can't follow my own rules. I just want to build everything that costs money to maintain imediately*

Put in a waterfall ... hydroelectric is how Slacktop is powered

Well, Orchard Island IS an island, but maybe I will put in some hydro.

Here's another cheat: gilmartin.

I'll keep it a suprise!

This is purely coincidence not dedication. I have had every simcity that has ever existed, and i still think the snes version is by far the best.

Sim 2 is better anyway. :p

*throws rocks at cities*


They better not hit Starter City!

I know many of you have probably never heard of it, but SimCity 2000 is THE GREATEST GAME EVER!!!

Anyway, this thread is for discusion, slander, and debate about all things SimCity!
If you do not know about SimCity, check out this link:
ZealGames: Do You Have The ZEAL???? (http://zealgames.tripod.com/)

SIM CITY 4 RUSH HOUR is better cause you can do this:

http://www.geocities.com/pf_ssa/apfm-lhcs-detail.html

Note: not all the links are operational yet.

Hello folks! I hail from Simtropolis Region, and Simtropolis is a website dedicated to Simcity 4 (and the thousands of plugins and mods that ST users have released for the game). We love our SimCity dearly, and if any of you own copy of SimCity 4, I encourage you to travel over to the site. But my God, I'm amazed that you guys would be talking about SimCity, let alone noting its pros and cons.:rolleyes:

Hello folks! I hail from Simtropolis Region, and Simtropolis is a website dedicated to Simcity 4 (and the thousands of plugins and mods that ST users have released for the game). We love our SimCity dearly, and if any of you own copy of SimCity 4, I encourage you to travel over to the site. But my God, I'm amazed that you guys would be talking about SimCity, let alone noting its pros and cons.:rolleyes:

Civilization gets talked about a lot more, and it hardly gets talked about.

And yeah, Simtropolis is great. The user-created buildings kick ass (well, some of them).

SimCity4 is pretty amazing (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/justgotrushed/city.jpg).

(yes thats my city)
Oooooooooooooohh, aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...............................


Pretty.:eek:

I know many of you have probably never heard of it, but SimCity 2000 is THE GREATEST GAME EVER!!!

Anyway, this thread is for discusion, slander, and debate about all things SimCity!
If you do not know about SimCity, check out this link:
ZealGames: Do You Have The ZEAL???? (http://zealgames.tripod.com/)
SimCity is my secret shame. I used to be totally hooked on that damn game. The only thing that saved me was the PS2, which allowed me to get hooked on SSX instead. :P

SimCity is my secret shame. I used to be totally hooked on that damn game. The only thing that saved me was the PS2, which allowed me to get hooked on SSX instead. :P


I am playing Simcity 2k right now as we speak! :eek:

Grr I hate SC4. I was trying to make some cities for Hamilay for II purposes. HOW DO YOU GET THE DAMN COMMUTE TIMES TO GO DOWN? Half my city is a wasteland of $$$ buildings because everywhere has long commute times. I built loads of subways, bus stops and parking garages, whacked a railway line through the middle of my city and downloaded the landmarks giving loads of jobs and put them all over the place. Nothing worked. Anyone know where I can be lazy and download something that gets rid of this?

I am playing Simcity 2k right now as we speak! :eek:
Good boy!

Now, all you need to do is tell me the version of your computer and I will give you some cheat codes!

In the meantime.........*Hands Zilam a big soft hot chocolate chip cookie and some milk*

I love sim city 2000............The Paper,Destrution and the graphics i can deal with. BUT THE MUSIC IS UTTER ROBBISH! But i just put on my mp3 and I am good. I like to leave it on overnight on fast mode. And my year is over 6 digits!

SimCity is my secret shame. I used to be totally hooked on that damn game. The only thing that saved me was the PS2, which allowed me to get hooked on SSX instead. :P
Meh, suck PS2, XB0X and XB0X 360 are better.

Grr I hate SC4. I was trying to make some cities for Hamilay for II purposes. HOW DO YOU GET THE DAMN COMMUTE TIMES TO GO DOWN? Half my city is a wasteland of $$$ buildings because everywhere has long commute times. I built loads of subways, bus stops and parking garages, whacked a railway line through the middle of my city and downloaded the landmarks giving loads of jobs and put them all over the place. Nothing worked. Anyone know where I can be lazy and download something that gets rid of this?

Yeah, I've had that problem too. I'm still working on it, but it's starting to get better. I think part of the key is to stagger zones as much as possible and use the congestion map/routes query as often as possible. I've even been able to keep a few of the dense residential towers from becoming abandoned or deteriorated as well. It'll take time but I think I'll be able to solve the problem once and for all.

Meh, suck PS2, XB0X and XB0X 360 are better.
Don't make me hijack this thread.

Don't make me hijack this thread.
What does hijack mean?

What does hijack mean?

Suddenly changing the topic of a thread to something totally different from the rest of it.

You mean you named one of your cities after New Mombasa in Halo 2??
Yeah. One of the multiplayer levels is located in a maglev train station in New Mombasa, and has a wall-sized map of the city plastered onto one wall. I just snagged a picture of it from the Internet and went to town.

The space elevator is a Forest Arco, the massive towers with the skybridges between them are Plymouth Arcos, the suspension bridge over Kilindini Harbor is actually a suspension bridge, and even all the maglev lines (given on the map) are accurate.

Here's the map:

http://www.bungie.net/images/news/inlineimages/terminal_transitmap.gif

Good boy!

Now, all you need to do is tell me the version of your computer and I will give you some cheat codes!

In the meantime.........*Hands Zilam a big soft hot chocolate chip cookie and some milk*


I already have all the cheats. Priscilla, fund, imacheat, gilmartin etc..

I already have all the cheats. Priscilla, fund, imacheat, gilmartin etc..
Oh.

VERY good boy!

*Gives Zilam a Enzo Ferrari*

Yeah. One of the multiplayer levels is located in a maglev train station in New Mombasa, and has a wall-sized map of the city plastered onto one wall. I just snagged a picture of it from the Internet and went to town.

The space elevator is a Forest Arco, the massive towers with the skybridges between them are Plymouth Arcos, the suspension bridge over Kilindini Harbor is actually a suspension bridge, and even all the maglev lines (given on the map) are accurate.

Here's the map:

http://www.bungie.net/images/news/inlineimages/terminal_transitmap.gif
I knew that.

But still, good exeplainavaitionne!

I cant keep commerce up for the life of me. I equal out the zones (well not really its mostly a giant seaport). i have taxes at 0. passed all the right ordinances, etc. res. and ind. are up all the way and have been since the start but not commerce

where am i going wrong?

Build more industrial and residential... or an airport or road/highway connections.

SC2K is the r0xx0rz. I just mastered a city not too long ago - called it Miralis, and I made it to be a more "artful" city than I'd done in the past. God hated it though. I played all the way to the arcos with no disaster on, and a hurricane would happen every other year and just ruin it. I would get plain crashes on a yearly basis (if not more than once a year) and I had to reload it a few times. At 2264 I had gotten all the Arcos and I was like "the heck with this crap" and just turned disasters off.
SC4's graphics don't look that impressive. Heck, I downloaded a SCURK set that had some of the big towers in there.

I was playing SC4 a couple days ago. I've got all the SimCity games, but 2k holds a special spot in my heart. I suppose I'll always love it as being the first SC game I played.

Well... crap.

I found my really old laptop computer (we're talking Windows 95, here) that had some of the first SimCities I ever built... but I can't move them off of it! The computer is so excruciatingly old that I can't get the floppy disk drive to work. USB ports are screwy too, so I can't plug in a spare drive.

I feel like all my bootiful cities are trapped on a sinking ship. Noooo-ooo-o-o...

Going waay back in time, I once had the Sim City Nintendo game, which was a ported version of the original computer game. Anyway, early one morning my sister was playing and accidentally deleted one of my cities, a very large and successful one. I got up later and found a confession note about the affair. I then found my sister in the kitchen pantry, where she had gone to give herself a very long time-out for the deletion.

I look forward to getting SC4 one of these days, but it would be unwise of me to go buy it before I finish school. But in two months it might be my graduation gift to myself. :cool:

Heh, I went and took a "satellite composite (http://anikari.zioncreation.com/MiralisSurvey.png)" of Miralis - serious 56K warning, though.

Heh, I went and took a "satellite composite (http://anikari.zioncreation.com/MiralisSurvey.png)" of Miralis - serious 56K warning, though.
Wow.........

Nice city!

I love that game!

I love that game!
And in order to ENHANCE your SimCity 2000 experience, since you say you love it, may I interest you, in this (http://www.sc3000.com/sc2000/mallofamerica/)????;)

And in order to ENHANCE your SimCity 2000 experience, since you say you love it, may I interest you, in this (http://www.sc3000.com/sc2000/mallofamerica/)????;)

AWESOME!!!

AWESOME!!!
But that's not all, you 1337 d00D!

There's this, too! (http://www.sc3000.com/sc2000/renew97/)

But that's not all, you 1337 d00D!

There's this, too! (http://www.sc3000.com/sc2000/renew97/)

YAY!!

*is super-happy*

Whoohoo! Success! I finally got my New Mombasa city to another computer by email. Here's a pic:

http://images6.theimagehosting.com/simmombasa.PNG

Wow! I thought I was the only person on earth who even remmebered that game!

YAY!!

*is super-happy*
Wanna be even MORE happy?

*Shows United Chicken Kleptos this (http://www.sc3000.com/sc2000/chicago/)*

YAY!!

*is super-happy*If you're that happy, you also get a special picture!: http://www.p0stwh0res.com/images/cantbelieve.gif

I played the original, black-and-white, flat-as-new-sheet-metal SimCity on a Macintosh Classic. The game was addictive, but also very frustrating (I'm kind of a masochist that way). I read and re-read the manual and did everything I could to follow the rules, and I never got large or profitable cities. Much later, I discovered that my desire to keep all the potentially polluting/inconvenient things away from the city core meant a shitload of infrastructure. I'd have the power plants, pumping stations, waste treatment, and airport way the hell over-scrolled in the far-off distance, not realizing that the power lines, sewers and roads were costing me beaucoup.

Something I didn't like was the automatic disruption of services whenever you tore a block down. Completely unrealistic, especially when you had laid down the utilities before putting up the building! It was as if the demolition crews just waltzed in with C4 and primer cord and blew the shit out of the whole block, power lines and all. Dumb.

I may try SC4, but I'm waiting for Civ4 to be 'ported to Mac OSX.

anybody else here play on a Mac? I run a Mac G3 with OS9.2.2, and play SC2000. I want to try the some of the cheats but the couple I tried I got from a friend who plays on a PC and they didn't all work. where can I get the cheats for the Mc version?

oh yeah, and easter eggs.

anybody else here play on a Mac? I run a Mac G3 with OS9.2.2, and play SC2000. I want to try the some of the cheats but the couple I tried I got from a friend who plays on a PC and they didn't all work. where can I get the cheats for the Mc version?

oh yeah, and easter eggs.
Here's three I know of:


vers
cass
heck


That's all I know of.

and i need to get back to it.
DAMN STRAIGHT YA NEED TO GIT BACK TO IT!!!!

It's the best game ever!

I think I had SimCity 2000 for Playstation. I traded it for Vigilante 8.

I think I had SimCity 2000 for Playstation. I traded it for Vigilante 8.
You traded the game or the Playstation?

You traded the game or the Playstation?
The game...

The game...
NNNNNNOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!1 WHYWHYWHYWHYWHYHWHYWHYWHYWWHYWHHYWHYY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!? SIMCITY 2000 IS THE BEST GAME EVR NEVR EVR TRADE ANY SINGLE COPY OF IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO0OOOOOOOOOOOOOzorz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 1111111111




Why did you trade it?

NNNNNNOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!1 WHYWHYWHYWHYWHYHWHYWHYWHYWWHYWHHYWHYY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!? SIMCITY 2000 IS THE BEST GAME EVR NEVR EVR TRADE ANY SINGLE COPY OF IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO0OOOOOOOOOOOOOzorz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 1111111111




Why did you trade it?
It was boring, and I suck at Sim City.

Never played Simcity 1.
I bought SC2K and loved it, scenario modes were the best.
I bought SC3K and liked destroying everything in sight using the disaster button.
I bought SC4 and I can't stop playing.

Yup, that basically sums up 1/90 of my life.

It was boring, and I suck at Sim City.
Can't blame you.

Never played Simcity 1.
I bought SC2K and loved it, scenario modes were the best.
I bought SC3K and liked destroying everything in sight using the disaster button.
I bought SC4 and I can't stop playing.

Yup, that basically sums up 1/90 of my life.
Good for you!


*Gives The Vuhifellian States a nice big hot steaming chocolate cake*

Good for you!


*Gives The Vuhifellian States a nice big hot steaming chocolate cake*

Why thank you. This will go trememdously well with the international airport I just built.

SimGolf is awesome people should try it.:)

Why thank you. This will go trememdously well with the international airport I just built.
Oh, you're welcome. By the way, about the airport: What city??

W00T!!!!!! I am now a ZX81 H4x0r0r!!!!!!!!!!!

YAY!!

*is super-happy*
Well, there's lots more amazing tilesets on the page for your pleasure, you know.

Ah well, I guess no-one wants to post here anymore.:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

I would have posted, I was just absent a few days.

Whoohoo! Success! I finally got my New Mombasa city to another computer by email. Here's a pic:

http://images6.theimagehosting.com/simmombasa.PNG

That is insanely awesome dude. You got a SCURK set for that one?

Well, there's lots more amazing tilesets on the page for your pleasure, you know.
My favorite tileset is the Snowy Tile Set.

I love SC2K!


RANDOM PICTUREhttp://www.p0stwh0res.com/images/turnerbot.gifRANDOM PICTURE

Well, I guess no-one wants to post here anymore, so.......................................http://www.p0stwh0res.com/images/assistant.gif

Well, I guess no-one wants to post here anymore, so.......................................http://www.p0stwh0res.com/images/assistant.gif
Does anyone find this funny????

I would have posted, I was just absent a few days.

That is insanely awesome dude. You got a SCURK set for that one?
Nah, I was never really good with SCURK. Besides, I figured that the arcologies matched up with most of the larger landmarks anyway.

Nah, I was never really good with SCURK. Besides, I figured that the arcologies matched up with most of the larger landmarks anyway.
Ah well.

Do you have SimCity 2000??

I never understoood SimCity 2000. Until I figured out you have to build roads. Thank Jebus SimCity Four builds them automatically.
P.S. Sorry if someone already mentioned this.

I never understoood SimCity 2000. Until I figured out you have to build roads. Thank Jebus SimCity Four builds them automatically.
P.S. Sorry if someone already mentioned this.
Wheres the fun in that? You haven't lived until you've sweated out that first century, trying to juggle keeping the economy from imploding, getting that bloody airport built, storing up enough cash to renew that already heinously overstressed coal fired power plant, and weathering the hurricanes that seem to come every other year. Taking the whole building of roads out of the equation loses half the fun, and I would imagine crimps one's building style in the relative size and shape of one's zones.

Does anyone find this funny????
Guess not.

SimCity4 is pretty amazing (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/justgotrushed/city.jpg).

(yes thats my city)
Wow.


I WANT SC4 NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sim city 2000: so simple, yet so entertaining
Damn straight!

Ahhhh. SimCity.

My first taste was the SC port to the SNES. I loved it so much I hired it out from the video store and never returned it (ie. I nicked it.) But they were selling all their SNES for 6 bucks a pop 2 weeks later, anyway.

I never got quite the same feel from SC2000, even though I was still addicted for months on end. I think it's just one of those nostalgia things and if I was stick the SC cart into my SNES now I'd probably be horrified.

I skipped 3000 altogether, but I got 4 and find it really enjoyable. Though I wish they'd picked a classier GUI style instead that obnoxious "The Sims" style.

Sim City 2000 was fun, but you could only play it for so long before half your city consisted of Arcologies.

Sim City 2000 was fun, but you could only play it for so long before half your city consisted of Arcologies.
I have a city, it's called Springopolis. It's a very big metropolis that's been around for a hundred years. And you know what? NO ARCOLOGIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah well.

Do you have SimCity 2000??
Uh... yes. That's what I used to build the city.

Uh... yes. That's what I used to build the city.
ZOMG!!!1@!@@122 D00D, YU0 j00 T1h lUCk3 m3N!!

F0r U rEC18v8 tH1s!!1111!222@@@23#333##$%I***(&%^%!!!11@@@@22@@@11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (http://www.sc3000.com/sc2000/scurk/)

Cool -- what is that? A tileset exchange site? I used to browse sites like that a long time ago, but they mostly went kaput after the newer versions came out.

Cool -- what is that? A tileset exchange site? I used to browse sites like that a long time ago, but they mostly went kaput after the newer versions came out.
No. It's a site where you can download SC2K tilesets. Lots of them, too!!

C'mon, IL Ruffino, post here, post here.......................................................

Neat... I'd never seen a tileset exchange before -- only city exchanges. I'm surprised that sites like that still exist. SC2000 is practically *ancient*.

PS: Remote Isles, sometimes you have to know when to let a thread die... It's hard, yes. But it would be cruel to keep it in captivity like this. Just set it free, RI, set it free to roam the forum plains. It's the *right* thing to do. :p

PS: Remote Isles, sometimes you have to know when to let a thread die... It's hard, yes. But it would be cruel to keep it in captivity like this. Just set it free, RI, set it free to roam the forum plains. It's the *right* thing to do. :pNo. It's my thread. And I plan to keep it until the Mods lock it becayse it's an uberthread. And you can't change my mind!

Sure, I let it free once in a while. but this thread is special to me. Mainly because the topic is about SimCity 2000. The best game ever.

Same thing with the McDonalds thread.

Oh yeah, it's Remote Islands. THE Remote Islands, to you.

3000 blew
You're right! The cheats didn't even work!

Here is a list of words to describe SimCity 2000:

Best.
Game.
Ever.
Best Game Ever.
BeSt GaMe EvEr
bEsT gAmE eVeR
best game ever
BEST GAME EVER
best game evR

You're right! The cheats didn't even work!
SC3k was awesome! i loved the sense of humour :p


gonna try and find my SC4 cd (with rush hour) this evening and give it another spin :)

I've worked out the problem with SC4 in regards to a ridiculous number of abandoned buildings. It's not so much long commute times, although that's partly the case, it's a lack of high wealth jobs. For some reason rich people will happily live anywhere that has running water and a school or hospital within 8 blocks (you only need one of the two...), even if it's next to a landfill, coal power plant or cruise missile testing range :rolleyes:. The places without running water are only for those pauper middle classes. I also get way too much residential demand when every single house is out of work for some reason. SC3 was better, you wouldn't get any development if there was no water connected (which is more realistic, come on) and things like land values and river or hilltop views actually meant something, rather than mansions being built surrounded by factories.

On the other hand, SC4 has a cheat to turn the advisors into llamas. That alone makes everything worth it.

if it was free i'd be playing it now. i remember the first sim city. i like the idea of maybe a sim boonies or a sim countryside or a sim country (nation states?)

i think old sid did do a sim island or something like that.

some of the things 'nature' throws at you in the games are pretty unrealisticly off the wall. while some of the things nature and other circumstances throw at regeonal management aren't even approached in the games, too complex for game mechanics and perhapse attention spans of potential audiences who want to pretend they can slash and hack there way out of or into anything, at least in their game world fantasies.

never played the 2000 version. or had any of them. but there was someplace i was able to hang out and get to play with the origeonal sim city to get a bit of a feel for it. so that is what i'm saying is based upon.

=^^=
.../\...

Wtf, there's something wrong with my CD drive. It refuses to open and although there's a disk in there it doesn't register that there is.

SC3k was awesome! i loved the sense of humour :p


gonna try and find my SC4 cd (with rush hour) this evening and give it another spin :)
In my opinion, SC3K sucked.

But, if we were to compete against each other in SC2K, you would lose. I've practiced on there because that's the Sim game I truly love, and that leads to a lot of playing, which leads up to lots of experience.

So, PH33R MY S00PR107 SK1LL7!!!!!!!!1

Yes! ALL HAIL CALVIN AND HOBBES! THE RULERS OF THE WORLD!!!:D :D

hey what about Family Guy...

[angry ranting]

See? SEE? Rich people are obviously happy to live next to the highway, heavy industry and a waste disposal plant.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e267/Flaw3dLegacy/Aubury-Sep.png

[/angry ranting]

This reminds me, I .. acquired SimCity 4 a while back but never even played it.

This reminds me, I .. acquired SimCity 4 a while back but never even played it.
Well then PLAY IT, FOO!!!


Shizzle my SimCity dizzle!!

Does anyone find this funny????

as a matter of fact, yes. let's face it, it would be the 1st time clippy did anything useful.

and I really want to know how you can kill yourself with pastry. don't you?

http://www.p0stwh0res.com/images/assistant.gif


thinking about it some more, let's bring this back into the thread. in this world, clippy is a pointless waste of time and screen real estate. in SimCity, clippy tells you how to make deals with your neighbors, how to keep your residents happy, how to have a baby, get a good career, get married, have a happy family, and ... how to commit suicide if that's what you want to do.

but I still want to konw how you do it with pastry.

as for it being funny, if clippy showed up even though I switched him off, and offered to guide me through writing my suicide note, I'd be laughing so hard I'd stop being depressed and decide not to kill myself.

No. It's my thread. And I plan to keep it until the Mods lock it becayse it's an uberthread. And you can't change my mind!

Sure, I let it free once in a while. but this thread is special to me. Mainly because the topic is about SimCity 2000. The best game ever.

Same thing with the McDonalds thread.

Oh yeah, it's Remote Islands. THE Remote Islands, to you.

Most excellent. This thread will be like Sim City 2000 itself - timeless.

Simcity 1 was pretty good for its time.
SC 2 was amazing.
SC 3 was utter crap.
SC 4 was pretty decent.

Most of the other Sims were mediocre at best, with the exception of Sim Ant, which has to be one of the wierdest, yet most fun, strategy games ever.
The Sims were, to be blunt, a money grab. It was a decent game, but the, what, 12 addons selling for $20 each? Please.
I cant wait for Spore though (which is an honourary Sim game), 'tis going to pwn :)

SPORE HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BE THE BEST (HOPEFULLY SERIES OF) GAME(S) TO EVER BE MADE!:)

graphics sure as hell made an improvement.

i really need to get up to date on games

(most recent PC game bought was Civ I, SC2K, AOEII, and Rainbow Six [the first] that was years ago)

but i enjoy all of them too much to get anything new, because all sequels are anymore is the same game re-hashed with pretty colors and graphics, but not much else.
Get CivIII. civ4 is fun, but not much better and it runs slow. I like civ3 wiht the expansion packs better.

Get CivIII. civ4 is fun, but not much better and it runs slow. I like civ3 wiht the expansion packs better.

Civ III is great, but I like how in Civ IV you have get money off of the people with your religion.

And, if Civ IV runs slow on your PC (as I know this problem all too well) then you should either check out your video card or your harddrive, 'cuz if your video card isn't a RADEON 9800 (or higher) or NVIDEA GeForce 3 (or higher) your PC's gonna' be struggling just to play the game on low graphic resolution.

(Trust me, my PC has a half-assed video card, I'm afraid to buy Spore when it comes out for fear my PC will crash eternally, buying a better video card will probably make the game faster, if not, then check out your harddrive, and explore your computer.)

and I really want to know how you can kill yourself with pastry. don't you?You put poison in it.