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Here's a different discussion thread. Most of us like a good conspiracy theory here and there so what about this?

Do any people here believe that the infamous "Philadelphia Experiment" actually happened. And if so (or if not) then what do you believe really happened to that destroyer and it's crew.

All theories and critisim are welcome short of abnormal flaming- but it should prove interesting to hear your veiws.

LINK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment

No seeing as the technology to make things invisable is still only theorectical

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4968338.stm

Back then there just wasn't the technology for that.

And due to the Heisnburg Uncertainty Principle it is impossible to create a telleporter

The US Navy never intended the destroyer to be transported to Norfolk. That part i don't believe. But Einstein's Theory of (i can't remember) used technology of the day and physics that they understood then to say that making a solid object invisible was actually possible.

No seeing as the technology to make things invisable is still only theorectical

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4968338.stm

Back then there just wasn't the technology for that.

And due to the Heisnburg Uncertainty Principle it is impossible to great a telleporter

Or is it?

Oh, THAT Philadelphia Experiment!

I thought you were talking about using monterey jack cheese on a cheesesteak sandwich! :p

Oh, THAT Philadelphia Experiment!

I thought you were talking about using monterey jack cheese on a cheesesteak sandwich! :p


...i thought they were talking about my old meth lab in the basement of my mother's house back home.....

What Lunatic Goofballs said.

I have nothing else meaningful to contribute to this thread except "+1" and "<insert random white text and/or innuendo here>".

This post has just summarised the entirety of the General Forum.

Or is it?

what do you mean or is it? if you can't measure where and what a partical is doing you can't dis asemble it send it to where ever and then remake it. The only way they could have done it is to stick some wings on the side of the ship and I don't think that is what they did (I think people would have spotted several thousand tons flying over head. :eek:

why would anyone believe that that happened?

what do you mean or is it? if you can't measure where and what a partical is doing you can't dis asemble it send it to where ever and then remake it. The only way they could have done it is to stick some wings on the side of the ship and I don't think that is what they did (I think people would have spotted several thousand tons flying over head. :eek:
Or you can just figure out exactly where a particle isn't.

why would anyone believe that that happened?
Same reason people believe in Scientology.

Or you can just figure out exactly where a particle isn't.

...Eh? Spell this out for the peanut gallery.

Or you can just figure out exactly where a particle isn't.

I'm not going to go into it because it goes a little over my head, all I know is that it is not possilbe at our current understanding of quantum physics.

look here if you don't know what the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is. (WARNING VERY COMPLICATED)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenberg%27s_uncertainty_principle

On topic, the ship never even disappeared. No members of the crew disappeared, went insane, or suffered mysterious deaths. The whole thing was invented by a man whose name I cannot remember. I know he committed suicide by CO poisoning, so it should be too difficult to track his name down if anyone cares enough to bother.

...Eh? Spell this out for the peanut gallery.
He is attempting to make a joke. A really, really bad joke.

I'm not going to go into it because it goes a little over my head, all I know is that it is not possilbe at our current understanding of quantum physics.

look here if you don't know what the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is. (WARNING VERY COMPLICATED)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenberg%27s_uncertainty_principle
Oh, I know a little about it. I was really just being a dick. I seem to have a streak running through me today. I can't understand a damn thing any of these physicists talk about but I'm interested in their results.

why would anyone believe that that happened?
You have to admit it's pretty neato.


It didn't happen, but it's pretty neato.

Desperate Measures
I can't understand a damn thing any of these physicists talk about but I'm interested in their results.

Yeah I know how you feel, I swear they only use long words so they can feel superior (and it prevents the public form knowing how easy it really is :p )

Yeah I know how you feel, I swear they only use long words so they can feel superior (and it prevents the public form knowing how easy it really is :p )

Wiki is your friend.

All Hail Wiki, the one true God

*bows down*

:D

Here's a different discussion thread. Most of us like a good conspiracy theory here and there so what about this?

Do any people here believe that the infamous "Philadelphia Experiment" actually happened. And if so (or if not) then what do you believe really happened to that destroyer and it's crew.

All theories and critisim are welcome short of abnormal flaming- but it should prove interesting to hear your veiws.

LINK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment
History Channel did a special on it. They pretty much disproved the whole thing when Carlos Allende's testimony was proven to be fake and it was discovered he was a fraud.

History Channel did a special on it. They pretty much disproved the whole thing when Carlos Allende's testimony was proven to be fake and it was discovered he was a fraud.

You'd better update the AL Central standings in your sig...:)

You'd better update the AL Central standings in your sig...:)
I'm in denial, but my Sox are 3-0 against the kittens and the kittens lost 2 in a row. The kittens lead is:
SHrINking

One question: Why would the US navy perform a classified stealth test on a full scale destroyer while at a port near a major US city?

They wouldn't, they'd do small scale lab tests first, and the full scale test sure as hell would of been done in the middle of nowhere.

You have to admit it's pretty neato.


It didn't happen, but it's pretty neato.
thats true. its a wicked cool story. especially that part where the sailors fell through the partially dematerialized deck. creepy

has anyone ever mentioned to you that your sig is WAY past the legal limit?

I'm in denial, but my Sox are 3-0 against the kittens and the kittens lost 2 in a row. The kittens lead is:
SHrINking

Acceptance is the first stage of recovery...

I know it's hard, but you'll just have to accept that the sox will have to settle for the wild card.

One question: Why would the US navy perform a classified stealth test on a full scale destroyer while at a port near a major US city?

They wouldn't, they'd do small scale lab tests first, and the full scale test sure as hell would of been done in the middle of nowhere.
so very true

IF they had undertaken such a project it would have been handled in a way similar to the manhattan project and if it had ever come to the test phase it would have been done way away from the public eye.

I believe it. As far as I'm concerned the Western governments have been keeping a lot of genuine physics theoretical or non-existent. After all, look what happened to the atom-bomb. Once the essential scientific principles were revealed proliferation became, ultimately, a certainty. Keep the principles secret and you've delayed an opponent getting a weapon.

So... uh... look, if Majestic 12, The Illuminati or any grand conspiracy need a henchman, believe me I'd willingly fake my death to get clued in. You know where to find me.

It's totaly true, I was there, despite the fact it happened before I was born. My tinfoil hat protected me from all the impossibilities.

thats true. its a wicked cool story. especially that part where the sailors fell through the partially dematerialized deck. creepy

has anyone ever mentioned to you that your sig is WAY past the legal limit?
My sig? What do you mean? No one has said anything to me.

One question: Why would the US navy perform a classified stealth test on a full scale destroyer while at a port near a major US city?

They wouldn't, they'd do small scale lab tests first, and the full scale test sure as hell would of been done in the middle of nowhere.

The TV programme "The Triangle" (aired lately on the BBC) said that that was why the Bermuda Triangle exists. Personally, i don't believe the Triangle is there because some wise-asre in the US Navy started screwing with nature.

But it's a conspiracy and a half. But no one can safely say it didn't happen (or say it did). No one has proof- and the US Navy certainly won't disclose it. They'll do what all governments do in that situation. Cover-up and forget it ever happened.....

If it didn't happen, then why did the US Navy invent a cover-up and deny something happened when something Didn't happen? Cuz they might have something to hide?

Perhaps it did happen.[/spooky vioce]

Want a weird conspiracy theory? Look into Ong's Hat.

http://www.darkplanetonline.com/eggroom.html

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id219/pg1/

http://deoxy.org/inc2.htm

No seeing as the technology to make things invisable is still only theorectical


http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/02/07/japan.invisible.ap/

We can say with 100% certainty this didn't happen. The only "witness" was Carlos Allende. They have proven that Allende was not at the Norfolk base where the Eldridge supposedly materialized. History Channel did a neat special on "History's Mistories" about this one.

They also took the time to do what none of the authors of the books on the subject did, interview crewmemebers who were with the ship from when she was a PCU and stuck with her once she was commissioned and were aboard her during the time this supposedly happened. ALl said it never happened.

There have been multiple tv programs about this. All the people who were in the area at the time of the "expirement" laughed at the very idea of its existance.

Mixed veiws on both sides, although leaning into the "Didn't Happen" pile.

Carlos Allende made this up your saying. But why would a country listen to this one fool. If he was speaking complete nonsense all by himself, way would the Navy cover it up unless they had something to hide?

True, the reknowned "Experiment" may never have happened, but there is no stone cold evidence written in the stone itself to say otherwise. If this one man made it up, why did it grab a whole nation? And why would it envoke the US Navy to make some story up and deny the whole thing happened?

I dunno... perhaps they were doing something else there.

Here's a different discussion thread. Most of us like a good conspiracy theory here and there so what about this?

Do any people here believe that the infamous "Philadelphia Experiment" actually happened. And if so (or if not) then what do you believe really happened to that destroyer and it's crew.

All theories and critisim are welcome short of abnormal flaming- but it should prove interesting to hear your veiws.

LINK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment

Someone has been watching late night TV on BBC 1:p

Pff. I know what happened, the ship vanished and then these two guys where sent into 1984 where he fell in love with some chick and then somehow worked his way back.

Man, don't you guys watch movies...

I believe several military experiments involving invisiblity have taken place.
Especially during WW2 era.

However, thats probably where the similarity ends.

No I don't belive it.

I've flown over the navy.. thing.. I really don't even.. care.. but I say it's not true.

Someone has been watching late night TV on BBC 1:p

So has someone else:P Hey, it was a decent drama!

The allies were desperate in WWII around this time, Japan had entered the War and the Allied needed to open up a second front in Europe (ultimately the D-Day landings).

They needed the edge, pratting around with nature proved to be the wrong thing. In any case, things like The Philadelphia Experiment are definitly feasble. Twisting mother nature and such. I thought there was some artilce in the Geneva Convention that banned pratical science that affected the laws of nature.... i can't remember but it's in some RL international treaty.

Ah, the Philadelphia Experiment.

Reminds me of my Command and Conquer days.

Personally, I believe that we will never ever know the true answer to this. True, Allende was proven a fraud, but would he even have made up the whole story in the first place had he not seen such a thing? If the United States Navy had nothing to hide, why do they deny such a thing ever occured if they have got not a thing to hide?

We will never truly know, we will never truly know.

If the United States Navy had nothing to hide, why do they deny such a thing ever occured if they have got not a thing to hide?

Because this false story might put any real experiments they've done in danger.

Because this false story might put any real experiments they've done in danger.

i thought that as well. But keep thinking that this was one of those experiments that went wrong. Admittedly the story leaked and so they used it to cover up anything else they were playing with while covering up the Philadelphia Experiment. Everything wrapped up neatly....

apart from the story leaking out.

well they denied the stealth bomber existed for years even although people saw it overhead