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In todays world we are destroying the earths atmosphere and completly destroying our planet and there needs to be something done about it.
Green politics would increase our research into renewable energy and would also keep in mind the people vote. green politics would help the fight against animal rights and also try to sustain our enviroment the way it is for as long as possible.

So next time you come to the voting box vote the greens

AGAINST animal rights?

Yay!

AGAINST animal rights?

If this is the case, I may find myself voting Green.

If this is the case, I may find myself voting Green.And why that?

Wont get many votes from white mice or lab rats that way.

when i said against animal rights i meant that they would support animal rights and fight for them

sorry...

Wont get many votes from white mice or lab rats that way.Then again, neither would PETA...

And why that?

I'm fed up with animal rights campaigners.

Animals deserve rights of course, but people who say they deserve equal rights to humans is ridiculous. I just love those animal rights nutters. I heard in England that they threatened to attack a kindergarten simply because children of scientists who experiment on animals went there. Not to mention all the firebombings of buildings, and all the innocent people they regularly attack and beat up.

I support animal rights -












- to garlic, pepper, and ketchup.

I'm fed up with animal rights campaigners.I'm fed up with a lot of other things, but I don't take it out on things or people that can't defend themselves out of spite.

Exactly, you shouldn't be allowed to skin an animal alive, doing a bit day by day, but you should be allowed to go and hunt deer.

I'm fed up with a lot of other things, but I don't take it out on things or people that can't defend themselves out of spite.

And how am I doing that?

Have you tried David Cameron's Green Tory Party?

And how am I doing that?If you claim you'd vote for someone who promises to hurt animals, it leaves the impression that you wouldn't mind cruel treatment of animals simply because you don't like that some nutcases go around trying to convert everyone to veganism.

Exactly, you shouldn't be allowed to skin an animal alive, doing a bit day by day, but you should be allowed to go and hunt deer.
even hunting is a very cruel act to take upon animals. would you like it if a deer started hunting you and killed you? (by the way that was a retorical question so the answer to it was no) so dont hunt ANIMALS!

No, I said I'd vote for someone who was against increasing animal rights, get your facts straight before you begin to make accusations.

Exactly, you shouldn't be allowed to skin an animal alive, doing a bit day by day, but you should be allowed to go and hunt deer.

Why ? Not attacking your beliefs (well.. not yet, but this *is* general), but wondering what makes somethings ok and others wrong in your book.

even hunting is a very cruel act to take upon animals. would you like it if a deer started hunting you and killed you? (by the way that was a retorical question so the answer to it was no) so dont hunt ANIMALS!

Animals do not understand the concepts of life and death so it is very different.

Why ? Not attacking your beliefs (well.. not yet, but this *is* general), but wondering what makes somethings ok and others wrong in your book.

Hunting is a quick and relatively painless death, while cruel and unusual punishment of an animal strikes me as being sick and wrong.

In todays world we are destroying the earths atmosphere and completly destroying our planet and there needs to be something done about it.

...vote the greens

Ahem...



We're so self-important. So self-important. Everybody's going to save something now. "Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails." And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. What? Are these fucking people kidding me? Save the planet, we don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven't learned how to care for one another, we're gonna save the fucking planet?

I'm getting tired of that shit. Tired of that shit. I'm tired of fucking Earth Day, I'm tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren't enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world save for their Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don't give a shit about the planet. They don't care about the planet. Not in the abstract they don't. Not in the abstract they don't. You know what they're interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They're worried that some day in the future, they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn't impress me.

Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The PEOPLE are fucked. Difference. Difference.

The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. Been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We've been here, what, a hundred thousand? Maybe two hundred thousand? And we've only been engaged in heavy industry for a little over two hundred years. Two hundred years versus four and a half billion. And we have the CONCEIT to think that somehow we're a threat? That somehow we're gonna put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that's just a-floatin' around the sun?

The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles...hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worlwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages...And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet...the planet...the planet isn't going anywhere. WE ARE!

We're going away. Pack your shit, folks. We're going away. And we won't leave much of a trace, either. Thank God for that. Maybe a little styrofoam. Maybe. A little styrofoam. The planet'll be here and we'll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet'll shake us off like a bad case of fleas. A surface nuisance.

You wanna know how the planet's doing? Ask those people at Pompeii, who are frozen into position from volcanic ash, how the planet's doing. You wanna know if the planet's all right, ask those people in Mexico City or Armenia or a hundred other places buried under thousands of tons of earthquake rubble, if they feel like a threat to the planet this week. Or how about those people in Kilowaia, Hawaii, who built their homes right next to an active volcano, and then wonder why they have lava in the living room.

The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we're gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, 'cause that's what it does. It's a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed, and if it's true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new pardigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn't share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn't know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, "Why are we here?" Plastic...asshole.

So in short...don't vote Green.

i think the plains of the Sernegettis provide an excellent example of animal rights. Animals have the right to exist, the right to defend themselves and the right to try and survive. They do not have the right to stop other animals hunting them and killing them.

Hunting is a quick and relatively painless death, while cruel and unusual punishment of an animal strikes me as being sick and wrong.

So you consider the suffering caused by the action to be more important then the resulting ending of a life to determine right or wrong ?

Hmm... I can agree with that. I do need to point out that the deer will suffer from fear and anxiety during the hunt though.

No, I said I'd vote for someone who was against increasing animal rights, get your facts straight before you begin to make accusations.There's no bit about being "against increasing animal rights" anywhere until now. The typo read "the fight against animal rights". You said if that was the case, you might vote green. Now pardon me for interpreting that as you making a perchance joking statement that you would be in favor of fighting against animal rights. :)

i am sick of everyone putting down animal right and i havnt agreed with one thing any of you have said because i dont think you realy understand what happens to these poor animals. with saying this i will not enter into this debate anymore because none of you have your facts straight

i am sick of everyone putting down animal rights and animal rights activists and i havnt agreed with one thing any of you have said because i dont think you realy understand what happens to these poor animals. with saying this i will not enter into this debate anymore because none of you have your facts straight

Deer hunting doesn't involve a chase; because the deer will outrun us, it's mostly just stalking the deer and getting close enough to make a good clean kill. Or alternatively waiting some where for a deer to enter your line of fire.

i am sick of everyone putting down animal right and i havnt agreed with one thing any of you have said because i dont think you realy understand what happens to these poor animals. with saying this i will not enter into this debate anymore because none of you have your facts straight

Bye bye!

even hunting is a very cruel act to take upon animals. would you like it if a deer started hunting you and killed you? (by the way that was a retorical question so the answer to it was no) so dont hunt ANIMALS!Perchance, but consider that deer get hunted by other animals anyway, which often takes longer to kill them than when they're shot with a rifle.

i am sick of everyone putting down animal rights and animal rights activists and i havnt agreed with one thing any of you have said because i dont think you realy understand what happens to these poor animals. with saying this i will not enter into this debate anymore because none of you have your facts straightSuch as? I know for a fact that PETA members "rescued" lab mice from the University of Arizona and set them out in the desert. Three guesses as to what's worse for a mouse used to an airconditioned environment.

i am sick of everyone putting down animal rights and animal rights activists and i havnt agreed with one thing any of you have said because i dont think you realy understand what happens to these poor animals. with saying this i will not enter into this debate anymore because none of you have your facts straight

We'll miss you, no we really will *stifles chuckles*.

Such as? I know for a fact that PETA members "rescued" lab mice from the University of Arizona and set them out in the desert. Three guesses as to what's worse for a mouse used to an airconditioned environment.

In all fairness, they did die free. Quite a lot of people seem to think that "freedom" is extremely important; saying people should be freed from their oppressors - even if it means they would then end up living in a wartorn ghetto with poor facilities instead of under the tightly regulated system of the mad dictator.

so dying a slow painful death is ok so long as there is no human involvement?

In all fairness, they did die free. Quite a lot of people seem to think that "freedom" is extremely important; saying people should be freed from their oppressors - even if it means they would then end up living in a wartorn ghetto with poor facilities instead of under the tightly regulated system of the mad dictator.Heat stroke is a rather agonizing way to die...

don't you think it is cruel not to provide food and water for an animal you have taken responsibility for?

Heat stroke is a rather agonizing way to die...

Oh, I do not *agree* with the people who say that freedom is everything. I just pointed out that animal rights activists are not the only ones with such ideas - and that some of the "freedom is the most sacred thing evvah" people hold positions of great power.

This is an exact illustration of what I hate about animal rights 'activists', trespassing on private property, breaking and entering and then committing theft.

I think I quote 'Me and Bobby McGee' in saying, 'freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose'.

This is an exact illustration of what I hate about animal rights 'activists', trespassing on private property, breaking and entering and then committing theft.

Though they prefer to call it "liberation" of course.

"We will free you- if you want us to or not".

"We will free you- if you want us to or not".

Please direct this to another thread, ie 'The Iraq War'.;)

So in short...don't vote Green.

Ahhh the great George Carlin. Could not have said it better... I'll post it again!!!!!

Originally Posted by George Carlin

We're so self-important. So self-important. Everybody's going to save something now. "Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails." And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. What? Are these fucking people kidding me? Save the planet, we don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven't learned how to care for one another, we're gonna save the fucking planet?

I'm getting tired of that shit. Tired of that shit. I'm tired of fucking Earth Day, I'm tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren't enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world save for their Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don't give a shit about the planet. They don't care about the planet. Not in the abstract they don't. Not in the abstract they don't. You know what they're interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They're worried that some day in the future, they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn't impress me.

Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The PEOPLE are fucked. Difference. Difference.

The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. Been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We've been here, what, a hundred thousand? Maybe two hundred thousand? And we've only been engaged in heavy industry for a little over two hundred years. Two hundred years versus four and a half billion. And we have the CONCEIT to think that somehow we're a threat? That somehow we're gonna put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that's just a-floatin' around the sun?

The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles...hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worlwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages...And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet...the planet...the planet isn't going anywhere. WE ARE!

We're going away. Pack your shit, folks. We're going away. And we won't leave much of a trace, either. Thank God for that. Maybe a little styrofoam. Maybe. A little styrofoam. The planet'll be here and we'll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet'll shake us off like a bad case of fleas. A surface nuisance.

You wanna know how the planet's doing? Ask those people at Pompeii, who are frozen into position from volcanic ash, how the planet's doing. You wanna know if the planet's all right, ask those people in Mexico City or Armenia or a hundred other places buried under thousands of tons of earthquake rubble, if they feel like a threat to the planet this week. Or how about those people in Kilowaia, Hawaii, who built their homes right next to an active volcano, and then wonder why they have lava in the living room.

The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we're gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, 'cause that's what it does. It's a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed, and if it's true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new pardigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn't share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn't know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, "Why are we here?" Plastic...asshole.

Ahhh the great George Carlin. Could not have said it better... I'll post it again!!!!!

Originally Posted by George Carlin

We're so self-important. So self-important. Everybody's going to save something now. "Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails." And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. What? Are these fucking people kidding me? Save the planet, we don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet. We haven't learned how to care for one another, we're gonna save the fucking planet?

I'm getting tired of that shit. Tired of that shit. I'm tired of fucking Earth Day, I'm tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren't enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world save for their Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don't give a shit about the planet. They don't care about the planet. Not in the abstract they don't. Not in the abstract they don't. You know what they're interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They're worried that some day in the future, they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn't impress me.

Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet. Nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The PEOPLE are fucked. Difference. Difference.

The planet is fine. Compared to the people, the planet is doing great. Been here four and a half billion years. Did you ever think about the arithmetic? The planet has been here four and a half billion years. We've been here, what, a hundred thousand? Maybe two hundred thousand? And we've only been engaged in heavy industry for a little over two hundred years. Two hundred years versus four and a half billion. And we have the CONCEIT to think that somehow we're a threat? That somehow we're gonna put in jeopardy this beautiful little blue-green ball that's just a-floatin' around the sun?

The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through all kinds of things worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles...hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worlwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages...And we think some plastic bags, and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet...the planet...the planet isn't going anywhere. WE ARE!

We're going away. Pack your shit, folks. We're going away. And we won't leave much of a trace, either. Thank God for that. Maybe a little styrofoam. Maybe. A little styrofoam. The planet'll be here and we'll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet'll shake us off like a bad case of fleas. A surface nuisance.

You wanna know how the planet's doing? Ask those people at Pompeii, who are frozen into position from volcanic ash, how the planet's doing. You wanna know if the planet's all right, ask those people in Mexico City or Armenia or a hundred other places buried under thousands of tons of earthquake rubble, if they feel like a threat to the planet this week. Or how about those people in Kilowaia, Hawaii, who built their homes right next to an active volcano, and then wonder why they have lava in the living room.

The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we're gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, 'cause that's what it does. It's a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed, and if it's true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new pardigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn't share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn't know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, "Why are we here?" Plastic...asshole.


What good old George (and don't get me wrong, I dig Mr. Carlin,) forgets to mention is that the planet has survived mass extinction episodes. The planet was fine, it was just most of the animals that were fucked. He's right that we can't destroy the planet, but we CAN make things uncomfortable for ourselves, and I think George would agree that man's capacity to make each other uncomfortable as hell is nearly limitless.

Sure plastic came from the Earth, and the Earth couldn't give a shit about one more hydrocarbon...it's just that landfill has a way of making the ground unstable and the water table near it tainted. We shouldn't build on it and we can't farm it and no one wants to take a nature hike in it, so it pretty much renders the land not too useful for us, the aforementioned Man.

Even if we destroy all land life on the planet above the microscopic, say in a nuclear war, the Earth will keep on trucking. Heck, it started out as a molten ball that had a huge asteroid smack into it, jettisoning the Moon in the process. The problem is that land values tend to drop when radiation levels reach the point where it could kill a cockroach in a little lead suit.

Hey, did you know most people like living somewhat near the ocean? That's where most of the world's population is concentrated, after all. So while the Earth won't care, people having to swim across their living room might. You know, if that whole "observed certainty that the oceans are rising" thing continues

This isn't about some altruistic and hazy idea about "saving the planet," this is about, if not saving our own asses, at least preserving the place to the level to which we are accustomed. Sure we might survive increasingly drastic climate change, but in what state? 20 lashes with a wet noodle if you say "Colorado."

I mean, do you know, historically, what happens when people use up a vital resourse or they are expelled from where they've been living or life simply gets more difficult in a way that may persist for some indefinite time? Oh, you know. Chaos. War. Famine. Pestilence. Some religious books get written. People find scapegoats to hunt and kill. We're funny that way. Societies get cranky when they're forced to do without or move somewhere else. The typical opiates of the masses tend to stop working (hence why new religions arise, why mess with a formula that's worked throughout our history?)

I for one don't particularly look forward to that. So let's take it easy on the Earth. Not for the Earth's sake, but so that WE aren't FUBAR-ed.

The Green Party would destroy civilisation.

First thing they'd do when they get into power would be to ban aeroplanes, well... there goes world culture. Next thing they'd start to tax international shipping into extinction, millions in the developing world who depend on exports begin to starve to death, while we in the West are able to survive temporarily because of our more developed infrastructures. But eventually we begin to suffer too as the price of food triples due to the Green party forcing fancy organic food onto us - add to the fact that our money is now worthless. We'll soon be in the same position as Africa.

The Green Party would cause the next Dark Age.

While I am not one of these crazy climate change-deniers, I do believe that the Green Party, through their naivete, would destroy everything we hold dear. That is why environmentalists should bite their tongues and vote for moderates, they have an interest in protecting the planet aswell!

P.S. Go nuclear.

The Green Party would destroy civilisation.

First thing they'd do when they get into power would be to ban aeroplanes, well... there goes world culture. Next thing they'd start to tax international shipping into extinction, millions in the developing world who depend on exports begin to starve to death, while we in the West are able to survive temporarily because of our more developed infrastructures. But eventually we begin to suffer too as the price of food triples due to the Green party forcing fancy organic food onto us - add to the fact that our money is now worthless. We'll soon be in the same position as Africa.

The Green Party would cause the next Dark Age.

While I am not one of these crazy climate change-deniers, I do believe that the Green Party, through their naivete, would destroy everything we hold dear. That is why environmentalists should bite their tongues and vote for moderates, they have an interest in protecting the planet aswell!

P.S. Go nuclear.

Exactly.

In all fairness, they did die free. Quite a lot of people seem to think that "freedom" is extremely important; saying people should be freed from their oppressors - even if it means they would then end up living in a wartorn ghetto with poor facilities instead of under the tightly regulated system of the mad dictator.

ANIMALS! HUMANS! DIFFERENT! FROM! ARE!

*regains breath* Okay, I'm better now. Freedom is important... to humans. Mankind is the only species to ever exist that has been able to truly comprehend the beauty of freedom. Freedom means nothing to an animal that does not have the necessary intellectual ability to perceive it. And comparing the suffering that people endure under tyrants to an animal being kept in a zoo (or even a lab, yes) is just plain insensitive.

The Green Party would destroy civilisation.

First thing they'd do when they get into power would be to ban aeroplanes, well... there goes world culture. Next thing they'd start to tax international shipping into extinction, millions in the developing world who depend on exports begin to starve to death, while we in the West are able to survive temporarily because of our more developed infrastructures. But eventually we begin to suffer too as the price of food triples due to the Green party forcing fancy organic food onto us - add to the fact that our money is now worthless. We'll soon be in the same position as Africa.

Two things.
First, not every green party is the same as the US one.
Second, even if they were, you're still full of shit. (http://www.gp.org/platform/2004/ecology.html#760419)

Animal rights--equal form to Human, ridiculous, with that said, some form of compromise, its possible, maybe some simple bans on animal testings that are cruel, but certainly not full rights, equalled to humans, than we can't even no longer eat beef and must become vegeterians, no way, sorry. Also, Sure I belive in making clean energy to reduce polution.

Two things.
First, not every green party is the same as the US one.
Second, even if they were, you're still full of shit. (http://www.gp.org/platform/2004/ecology.html#760419)

Firstly, I am from the UK.
Secondly, no I am not. To make myself clear, I do not believe that environmentalists are intentionally out to cause the second Dark Age, I am just saying that their naive policies are incompatible with progressive human civilisation.

Animals deserve rights of course, but people who say they deserve equal rights to humans is ridiculous. I just love those animal rights nutters. I heard in England that they threatened to attack a kindergarten simply because children of scientists who experiment on animals went there. Not to mention all the firebombings of buildings, and all the innocent people they regularly attack and beat up.
Don't mix up those wackos with the vast majority of animal rights advocates who respect ALL life, not just animal life.
Animal rights--equal form to Human, ridiculous, with that said, some form of compromise, its possible, maybe some simple bans on animal testings that are cruel, but certainly not full rights, equalled to humans, than we can't even no longer eat beef and must become vegeterians, no way, sorry. Also, Sure I belive in making clean energy to reduce polution.
Do you believe in holding cetaceans (whales, dolphins and porpoises) in captivity? (for displaying, performing etc.)

even hunting is a very cruel act to take upon animals. would you like it if a deer started hunting you and killed you? (by the way that was a retorical question so the answer to it was no) so dont hunt ANIMALS!

How will we eat meat?

What about when a wolf kills a deer. Will you put the wolf in jail?

I also demand that all sharks that attack humans be put into custody. We need equal rights to sharks!

Animals do not understand the concepts of life and death so it is very different.

I have suffered various puncture wounds and torn skin inflicted by the teeth of more than (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/rattus_norvegicus) one individual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fancy_rat) whose behavior pre- and post-injury indicated the taking of defensive action. As the percieved predator, I posed a serious risk (death). Animals most certainly understand the concepts of life and death. I have the scars to prove it.


even hunting is a very cruel act to take upon animals. would you like it if a deer started hunting you and killed you? (by the way that was a retorical question so the answer to it was no) so dont hunt ANIMALS!


The "rhetorical question" posed is faulty. Deer are herbivores and so do not hunt. The local mountian lion population, however, most certainly does hunt, including more than one human hiker or mountain biker. And, of course, like the mountain lion, nature has designed homo sapiens sapiens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_sapiens_sapiens) to consume meat (edit: although homo sapiens sapiens is an omnivore). Look into one's open mouth in a mirror. Note the pointy teeth.

Seems to me nature intented that I hunt other animals. It certainly grants the right of other animals to hunt me, anyway.

who wants to come on a vegetarian hunt?

who wants to come on a vegetarian hunt?

:D

Go Green's! Wooo!

Unfortunately, now that other political parties are realising how much the environment and so on are becoming more popular topics in public discussion, they're all hopping on the Green bandwagon by adopting "Green" policies and trying to shove the "true" Greens out. A least there are more Green party politicians in the Scottish and British parliament.

Interesting fact, you can reduce a pick up's mpg by 15%, by leaving the tail piece down.

Ive just read the British and the AMerican Green PArty manifestos, i think i want to be sick.....:(

Ive just read the British and the AMerican Green PArty manifestos, i think i want to be sick.....:(

What do you think of David Cameron's greening of the Tory party?

Ive just read the British and the AMerican Green PArty manifestos, i think i want to be sick.....:(

Wow. You read the whole manifesto's? Of both the American and British Green parties? How many hours did it take you, considering they are both very long documents? Or did you just look at one paragraph or someone elses short, simple negative interpretation?

who wants to come on a vegetarian hunt?

Hmm, damn, where did I put my rifle? :sniper:

What do you think of David Cameron's greening of the Tory party?

David Cameron is quite the policy thief in addition to Tony Blair and Menzies. The "Green" policies of the three major British parties are simply not enough, and are only designed to attract more support from the increasingly Green public leading up to the General election.

I dont understand why you are bothering whith this whole green thing?

Do we humans really think that we are that superior that we can win over nature and change the world into something bad and evil after having been for just a little time of the earth's existence?

How ego-centric is that, I mean, the environment is at an equilibrium at the best of times and very delicate at that, we, as humans, have to understand that we really dont get a say in how things work. THe environment will nearly always balance it's self out.

(im not a scientific expert, this is just common sense)

Carbon emissions: turns into carbon dioxide, which plants respire with, with in turn creates oxygen.

Ahh but what about all the other shit like carbon monoxide and the whole destruction of the atmosphere thing?

Well, its hardly like we can actually manufacture (0)3 (oxygen-3) however, who really gives a damn about untra violet light? If humans cant exist on earth with their nature and ways of things, maybe we shouldn't exist. Leaving it up to some other more advanced species may be the way forwards.

Otehr species of animals went extinct without complaining (okay, so they couldnt really), we were helpless in this, but they ceased to exist because of the changing environment. I thought it was a dog eat dog life out there? there isnt room for compassion in nature. Its tough luck if your whole species dies out. Get over it.

However, I do support green movements as as much should be done as possible. This is total contradiction, but these are just some of my collective thoughts on the whole subject, maybe its time to actually get back to earth on the whole Green debate?

(dont shout at me hehe. I'd rather you take my points into consideration than to arue with them and take them apart, some of it may have weak evidence, but I would have thought that the best way of solving something in a democratic society would be to listen to the people)

I quite agree with you Scarlet that they don't go far enough to make a massive difference right now but I'm begining to think that DC's greenery is more than just window-dressing.

In todays world we are destroying the earths atmosphere and completly destroying our planet and there needs to be something done about it.
Green politics would increase our research into renewable energy and would also keep in mind the people vote. green politics would help the fight against animal rights and also try to sustain our enviroment the way it is for as long as possible.

I'm a member of the green party and I am not supportive of animal rights beyond the right to be treated and killed humanely.