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After a look around the forum and a couple of discussions with people here, I've decided that most people here are media controlled puppets. You are greatly influenced by the left-leaning media and your ideals are very much a reflection of these influences. After all the government has done for you, you still ridicule our president so enthusiastically. The media tells you it's "in" to give no respect to our president, therefore you MUST be against his policies and articulate this "belief" at every chance. You think being "rebellious" makes you individuals? You're nothing but a bunch of media-controlled conformists.

So to be truly rebellious we need to swear allegiance with the government? :p

Yes, the media is so very in sync with radical libertarian socialism that I've been drawn along. :rolleyes:

So to be truly rebellious we need to swear allegiance with the government? :p
No, people need to stop putting on this rebellious facade to look cool and give the government respect.

... give the government respect.
Respect is earned, not given freely.

No, people need to stop putting on this rebellious facade to look cool and give the government respect.

Why? Why should I respect the government? It's led by a pack of incompetent and murderous criminals, and I thought so long before the media did - which it doesn't even today.

Respect is earned, not given freely.
If you do not respect your government, you have no right to live in your country.

If you do not respect your government, you have no right to live in your country.

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If you do not respect your government, you have no right to live in your country.
If the government is not worthy of my respect as a citizen, then it has no right to be directing my country.

Citizens are the government's boss. Not the other way around. That is called democracy.

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After all the government has done for you, you still ridicule our president so enthusiastically.

Your government has done absolutely jack shit for me.

Why? Why should I respect the government? It's led by a pack of incompetent and murderous criminals, and I thought so long before the media did - which it doesn't even today.
Do you not watch TV? Do you not read the newspaper? Do you not go online to be bombarded by advertisement?

If you do not respect your government, you have no right to live in your country.

What an Unamerican statement. Government is a tool of the people, it is nopt a thing to deserve respect, it is a tool to be used.

Do you not watch TV? Do you not read the newspaper? Do you not go online to be bombarded by advertisement?
Do you buy lingerie online?

Do you buy lingerie online?
You can buy lingerie over the interweb? :eek:

If the government is not worthy of my respect as a citizen, then it has no right to be directing my country.

Citizens are the government's boss. Not the other way around. That is called democracy.
So the government do not deserve to be there just because YOU don't support it? They are elected by democratic processes too, which means more people want this candidate than they do other candidates. Doesn't that alone deserve respect from you?

Do you not watch TV? Do you not read the newspaper? Do you not go online to be bombarded by advertisement?

I'm not quite sure how the "OLOLOL GET PHR33 SMILEYS NOW!!!" ads are a leftist influence on people causing them to rebel against authority.

Oh God, especially FOX news their stories go out of there was to attack our godly president :rolleyes:

I'm not quite sure how the "OLOLOL GET PHR33 SMILEYS NOW!!!" ads are a leftist influence on people causing them to rebel against authority.
It's run by the Free Masons, that's why.

So the government do not deserve to be there just because YOU don't support it? They are elected by democratic processes too, which means more people want this candidate than they do other candidates. Doesn't that alone deserve respect from you?

More people want a certain candidate than other candidates? Bush has a 29% approval rating. 'Nuff said.

More people want a certain candidate than other candidates? Bush has a 29% approval rating. 'Nuff said.
President Bush was the greatest thing that ever happened to America. The approval rating only proves how much the people have been corrupted.

It's run by the Free Masons, that's why.
And their George Washington witch craft cult !!!!11!1!1!!11!one!!11!1one!11elvendyone

Do you not watch TV? Do you not read the newspaper? Do you not go online to be bombarded by advertisement?
Only a masochist goes anywhere to be bombarded by anything. I know I am very careful to screen out as much superfluous noise as possible in my daily affairs. I am not representative of my demographic.

And I suspect the overwhelming majority of NSers are, in their own ways, able to analyze and filter the information presented and come to their own conclusions.




Are you seriously condemning people for having the audacity to think for themselves?

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson

I think our own founding father said it best.

Only a masochist goes anywhere to be bombarded by anything. I know I am very careful to screen out as much superfluous noise as possible in my daily affairs. I am not representative of my demographic.

And I suspect the overwhelming majority of NSers are, in their own ways, able to analyze and filter the information presented and come to their own conclusions.




Are you seriously condemning people for having the audacity to think for themselves?
No, I'm condemning them for not being able to think for themselves. The media has they own sublimital ways to convert people to left-wing ideals.

So the government do not deserve to be there just because YOU don't support it? They are elected by democratic processes too, which means more people want this candidate than they do other candidates. Doesn't that alone deserve respect from you?
No. Being voted in does NOT make a government worthy of respect. It simply means one of two things: 1) people believed promises made during the campaign and/or 2) The alternatives were deemed as worse.

In either ways, the government still has to prove it was worthy of the mandate it was given. As a citizen, I am the absolute judge of the government's performance, or lack thereof.

Each citizen should decide for him/herself whether the governing body deserves respect or not.

Again: the governments answer to the people who elect them. Not the opposite. The opposite is dictature, not democracy, or a republic.

President Bush was the greatest thing that ever happened to America. The approval rating only proves how much the people have been corrupted.
Penicillin might have been the greatest thing ever to happen to the USA. Perhaps the combustion engine. Really, though, I personally doubt that GWB was even the greatest person to happen to the country. I respect his position of authority, I respect that he was voted in for two four-year terms. I reserve my right to disagree with his policies, however, if I find them disagreeable. Part of having an democratic government is having an informed public who keep it to account. Media, be they left, right, or centre can also fill that function.

After a look around the forum and a couple of discussions with people here, I've decided that most people here are media controlled puppets.

Translation: People who disagree with me are poopyheads.

You are greatly influenced by the left-leaning media and your ideals are very much a reflection of these influences.

I find it amusing that the CORPORATE OWNED media is repeatedly referred to as the left-leaning media by those who primarily get their views from right-wing pundits who are themselves active members of the media.


After all the government has done for you, you still ridicule our president so enthusiastically.

Isn't it funny that these same people who clamor about "what the government has done for you," are mostly the selfsame people who feel that taxes are stealing? Look, this country was founded on the belief that the government is to be watched and criticized at all times. If you don't like it...just do whatever you want. I don't care.


The media tells you it's "in" to give no respect to our president, therefore you MUST be against his policies and articulate this "belief" at every chance.

I give detailed reasons why I disagree with this President's policies and methods. And yet, those who persist in defending this President never seem to have anything original to say. They all repeat the tired talking points ad infinitum.

You think being "rebellious" makes you individuals? You're nothing but a bunch of media-controlled conformists.

I have nothing but disdain for much of pop culture. Also, the "media" is not a lockstep entity. What it is is an audio-visual representation of the free market at work. It's funny. Many right wingers will defend industry pumping pollution into the ground/water/air, because the alternative is economic hardship, and yet they are the ones who seem to want to curtail "the media's" free market status, and yet they can never point to any concrete harmful thing that the media is allowed to spew. They label it "left" or "liberal" as if those were dangerous things in and of themselves, and yet they have NO PROOF whatsoever for their spoon-fed (by the conservative media,) assertion that the "media" is anything but a money-making enterprise.

Are you for the free market or aren't you, Free Puppets?

President Bush was the greatest thing that ever happened to America. The approval rating only proves how much the people have been corrupted.
Alright, I'm gonna stop answering to you now. Anyone who thinks Bush is the best thing since sliced bread, and that it's 71% of american citizens who are wrong is obviously suffering from severe mental delusions.

Ring me whenever you visit our world: it's called reality.

President Bush was the greatest thing that ever happened to America. The approval rating only proves how much the people have been corrupted.

Oh, I get it, this is a joke thread, of course!:eek:

No, I'm condemning them for not being able to think for themselves. The media has they own sublimital ways to convert people to left-wing ideals.
Then tell us about the true way, o wise one.

No, I'm condemning them for not being able to think for themselves. The media has they own sublimital ways to convert people to left-wing ideals.
(Prove that, and I'll eventually stop laughing spasmodically.) Could you be more specific, please. What subliminal ways do "the media" specifically possess and employ that purportedly enable them to so condition people, to a political ideal? And to what end, FP?

Oh, I get it, this is a joke thread, of course!:eek:
I sure hope so. If it was serious...

Of course! We're only free when we believe what you believe! :rolleyes:

These leftist hippy pot smoking scum of the earth forum dwellers make me sick. Thank God I'm a republican conservative.

The current regime in Washington, D.C., has earned all the praise it has gotten in its second term, which is to say, none. In their first term, they were helped along by the lapdog-like malaise that overtook rational minds in the storm of patriotism following the 9/11 disaster, but that has subsided.

You speak of them as if they are good leaders.

Only the most cursory glance at their platform and current track record reveals a pattern of medieval morality and, frankly, borderline-criminal behavior, especially in regards to their vast abuse of anti-terrorist mentality in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, and in their flagrant disregard for the soveriengty of the FISA court, whose supreme power over electronic wiretapping was established in 1978.

The language of the FISA Act is not disputable- it is the SOLE government organ that the government is to turn to for warrants for electronic wiretaps. That the Bush administration and its underlings chose to abuse executive privelage and bypass the check placed on them by the Judicial branch is criminal- an impeachable offense in that, not only is it blatantly illegal, but it is a direct threat to American democracy in that it essentially implies that the president has unlimited wartime powers by proxy [he does not].

A continued malaise over alternative fuels will be the end of the American economy unless cooler heads prevail. The environmentalists are right- drilling in ANWR will do nothing for the United States. Oil will not be flowing out of there for, at the most liberal estimates, 5-10 years. By that time, the Chinese will have destroyed the Ford motor company with fuel-efficient hybrids and that oil will have no where to go.

The detention at Guantanamo Bay is the kind of thing the Bush administration went to war with Iraq over.

That war itself constitutes an international war crime in that it involves clear and motivated deception of the public, of the media, and, worst of all, of the House and Senate. Despite numerous post-invasion admitions by Bush administration officials, including Colin Powell, that they knew that the rationale for the war in Iraq was drummed up from embellishment, hypothesis, flat-out speculation, and lies, they continue to alter their statements over why we are in that country. Despite the so-called "Downing Street Memo," proof positive of, frankly, a vast and well-organized right-wing conspiracy to mire the United States in Middle Eastern political development, a conspiracy headed by a group called the Project for a New American Century, no action has been taken, even though said papers show President Bush and PM Tony Blair deciding over the best way to orchestrate their lies.

Not to mention the fact that only Congress has the power to declare war, which they have not... and the President assumes he has wartime powers anyways. He does not.

The USAPATRIOT Act will be written about in future American textbooks with the same bashful embarassment as Lincoln's suspection of habeus corpus in the Civil War- a blemish on our history that will remind us that, when right-wingers are in power, civil liberties evaporate, and not because of any particular cruelty on their part, because people such as YOURSELF allow and even ask for it. Weren't Republicans clamoring to please, please, light the Bill of Rights on fire, just please protect me from the evil Mos-liiiims?

The economy is collapsing. The dollar will be worth a third of a Euro by the end of the decade. The Bush-Cheney Edition of the Gospels, in which God hates homosexuals, is in favor of killing [unless its a fetus?] will replace the Constitution shortly. The international community treats us like a pariah, and rightfully so. This man is a criminal- fragrant violation of the UN Charter, which, according to the Constitution, as a signed and ratified President-signed treaty, CONSTITUTES THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND, alone is enough to send him off to the Hague. For lying to his own people, a treasonous offense, as well as trapping us in the no-win scenario five thousand miles away, the man should be dragged behind the White House and shot at earliest conveniance by the first execution detail the DC police force can assemble.

Now please, what are these good things he has done for the country?

These leftist hippy pot smoking scum of the earth forum dwellers make me sick. Thank God I'm a republican conservative.
Ow...I hurt. :(

Ow...I hurt. :(
Good, now if you don't mind.. I need to watch The 700 Club.

Do you not watch TV? Do you not read the newspaper? Do you not go online to be bombarded by advertisement?

The last time I watched TV was... I seriously cannot remember. It was months ago. I loathe CNN and all the other television news channels; they make me feel like I am growing progressively stupider.

I read the New York Times occassionally, and the online version of the Washington Blade regularly. I also read World Socialist Web Site, though with a grain of salt when warranted, the BBC's online site, and Aljazeera's online site. Then I read what people link to at this site and at others. I also keep track of some things - like the pointless rhetorical games played by our political elite, which I tend to ignore otherwise - by conversing with my friends, none of whom agree with me politically.

Good, now if you don't mind.. I need to watch The 700 Club.
phht...that doesn’t come on 'till 3am

and the online version of the Washington Blade regularly.
Sound like something you would kill congressmen with :p

Sound like something you would kill congressmen with :p

Washington Blade (http://www.washblade.com/)

phht...that doesn’t come on 'till 3am
I record it ;)

The USAPATRIOT Act will be written about in future American textbooks with the same bashful embarassment as Lincoln's suspection of habeus corpus in the Civil War- a blemish on our history that will remind us that, when right-wingers are in power, civil liberties evaporate, and not because of any particular cruelty on their part, because people such as YOURSELF allow and even ask for it. Weren't Republicans clamoring to please, please, light the Bill of Rights on fire, just please protect me from the evil Mos-liiiims?

I didn't know we had 98 Republican Senators and 357 Republican Reps in 2001.:rolleyes:

I record it ;)
:D

Makes you wonder how many people stay up till 3 to watch him (I've done it once but only as a good laugh)

http://www.washblade.com/ (washington blade)
Oh, dearest me the death conservatives at my old school will have me burned at the stake for looking at this (not that it will kill me :p)

Did I miss the forecast calling for an increase in trollish behavore today?

After a look around the forum and a couple of discussions with people here, I've decided that most people here are media controlled puppets. You are greatly influenced by the left-leaning media and your ideals are very much a reflection of these influences. After all the government has done for you, you still ridicule our president so enthusiastically.
Can you please explain to me who the referent of 'the government' is and what it is they have for me? Could you also explain what the frig that has got to do with whichever President is the referent of 'our president'...?

The media tells you it's "in" to give no respect to our president,
It does? Perhaps if you would be a little clearer...define the scope and content of 'the media'.

therefore you MUST be against his policies and articulate this "belief" at every chance. You think being "rebellious" makes you individuals? You're nothing but a bunch of media-controlled conformists.
Well sweetie I'm not sure what you mean by being rebellious...I'm already an individual, but if I were not, if it were possible to be not, what makes you think that I would necessarily want to change that state of affairs?

To be honest I think its very likely that your little vent isnt about anyone but you. Can you explain why you would bother with this very adorable little fist shake if what you asserted in it were true? Wouldnt it be more fun (and maybe even an act of kindness to the poor deluded media drone rebel conformists) if you demonstrated what you are asserting is true by proving the incorrectness of views you are refering to?

Kid yourself if you want, but it'd be better if you came to grips with reality. Everything you have said is baseless if your objection to the views you are upset about is not based on a sound argument that proves the veiws are false. Without such an argument you cannot know that the views you criticise are untrue, they could for all you know be true...that being the case everything else you've said is by-the-way.

I think we both know that you have no sound basis for anything you stated in your post. You dont know that the veiws you are slanging are untrue, if they are true it really doesnt matter how people came by them.

Nothing gives a conformist away more than an irrational fear of alterntive view points one cannot know are not true, that is so intolerable one feels the need to lash out no matter what, so that the conformist is compelled to 'rant and vent' but lacking any sound argument or rational is reduced to making assertions they cannot prove with a smattering of name calling thrown in for the purpose of allowing the conformist to kid themselves into thinking they have 'got back' at the holders' of the views that so frightened the poor wee mite...

If you do not respect your government, you have no right to live in your country.

Well could you possibly get our government to refine our immigration laws so I can move myself to the UK with the rest of the ones who are educated?

After a look around the forum and a couple of discussions with people here, I've decided that most people here are media controlled puppets. You are greatly influenced by the left-leaning media and your ideals are very much a reflection of these influences. After all the government has done for you, you still ridicule our president so enthusiastically. The media tells you it's "in" to give no respect to our president, therefore you MUST be against his policies and articulate this "belief" at every chance. You think being "rebellious" makes you individuals? You're nothing but a bunch of media-controlled conformists.

I disagree with Bush because his beliefs go against mine. If I were an American, I wouldn't have voted for him in either election. I'm a socialist. I decided that of my own accord, not because it's a cool fad. And, I, for one, do stand out in a crowd because of it. I was the only one in my socials class (if not the whole school) who refused to attend rememberence day ceremonies because of pacifist beliefs. I'm also the only one who stood face to face with the vice principal and told him that the dress code goes against the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Do you think that makes me "cool"? Do you think that now I'm the most popular girl in my grade? Actually, the majority of the kids laughed at me, and my own friends practically dumped me because, nice as they are, they're politically apathetic, and felt they needed to be humiliated on my behalf.
I'm not a socialist because of a passing fancy. I'm a socialist because I believe in helping people and spreading the message of human equality. And, in case you wondered, I don't own a Che Govarra T-shirt, I don't play in a grunge band, and I hardly ever wear black.

If you do not respect your government, you have no right to live in your country.

Right, that's how democracy works. :rolleyes:

Right, that's how democracy works. :rolleyes:

It is under conservatives...Eesh...

WATCH FOX! FOX IS GOOD NEWS!


Sorry, what were we talking about?


WATCH FOX!

WATCH FOX! FOX IS GOOD NEWS!


Sorry, what were we talking about?


WATCH FOX!

See, liberals use subliminal messages. Conservative go for...superliminal messages.

See, liberals use subliminal messages. Conservative go for...superliminal messages.

I honestly have WATCH CNN - QUALITY NEWS 24-7 no idea what you're going on about...

If you do not respect your government, you have no right to live in your country.

I think Hitler would have loved to clone you and have you as an obedient, mindless drone citizen in the third reich. Unquestioningly respecting authority makes you an idiot, in best of cases, and criminal in the slightly worse.


*edit*
On totally unrelated note...the movie "Exterminator II" sucks as bad as it's name suggests.

If you do not respect your government, you have no right to live in your country.

Your arguments are pathetic. Read, and feel, the words of Abraham Lincoln at Gettysburg ...

But, in a larger sense, we cannot dedicate -- we cannot consecrate -- we cannot hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract ... it is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us ... that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain - that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Awe-inspiring. Truly awe-inspiring.