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Is war really necessary? And, does war ever end in total defeat, or in acquiescence? Do we need bombs? Do we need guns? :sniper: :mp5: Or do we need communication? should we be in Iraq, fighting "terrorism", or should we be at home, trying to understand freedom? We are a country in huge debt, and I find that instead of trying to save America, we are trying to solve a ubiquitus problem that can never be solved. If we kill for our belief on freedom, are we really demonstrating our freedom, or remonstrating against someone else's?:confused:
Respond.

Sometimes war is necessary. For an example, see the Second World War. Allowing the Nazis to act unopposed would have been disastrous for Europe and ultimately the entire world.

Better post this before someone beats me to it:
War!
Hu
Yeah!
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothin.
War!
Hu
Yeah!
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothin.
Say it again y'all.
War!
Hu
Good God
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothin
Listen to me

war I despise cause it means destruction of innocent lives
war brings tears to thousands of mothers eyes
when their sons go to fight and lose their lives.

I said
War!
Hu
Good God
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothin
Say it again

Violence has solved more problems in human history than anything else. Now, is it always preferable? No.

War is necessary. Applying the same principle of evolution by natural selection as seen in genetics to the field of memetics (the passing of socially-learned traits such as culture, worldview, etc.) we find that one of the few real selective pressures on an idea is warfare. War is integral to the development of the human race and I believe we need more of it. (Although nuke wars are an interesting situation as they will result in the destruction of the entire species and ALL memes. I guess one technology outpaced another. In this instance, our ability to destroy territory faster than our ability to expand our territory: i.e. we can nuke the planet, but we only have one planet at this time)

Violence has solved more problems in human history than anything else. Now, is it always preferable? No.

Agreed.

War has changed the course of humanity more than any other thing. It has affected technological advancements and given birth to great thinkers. It has lifted and smashed great empires. It has changed the political boundaries and structure of the earth.

There are many many other things that war has brought about, both good and bad. It is a last resort action, but not an option that should be left out.

Also, I think Iraq could have been solved much easier.

Better post this before someone beats me to it:
War!
Hu
Yeah!
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothin.
War!
Hu
Yeah!
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothin.
Say it again y'all.
War!
Hu
Good God
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothin
Listen to me

war I despise cause it means destruction of innocent lives
war brings tears to thousands of mothers eyes
when their sons go to fight and lose their lives.

I said
War!
Hu
Good God
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothin
Say it again

Damn it, you beat me to it! :fluffle:

War! Whoa, Lord ...
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Listen to me?

War! It ain't nothing but a heartbreaker
War! Friend only to the undertaker
War! It's an enemy to all mankind
The thought of war blows my mind

War has caused unrest in the younger generation
Induction then destruction-
Who wants to die?

Ohhh? War Good God y'all
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it, Say it, Say it

So war is good?
So people fighting is good?
Lives being taken from innocent people is good?
Well then, you better rethink that.
Nothing results from war!! Only bereavement.
Sure, ww2 was an excuse, but, really, did we win, or were we subject to surrendering? Could that surrendering be done without years of fracas?

If fought in accordance with the Just War principles, then yes.

So war is good?
So people fighting is good?
Lives being taken from innocent people is good?
Well then, you better rethink that.
Nothing results from war!! Only bereavement.
Sure, ww2 was an excuse, but, really, did we win, or were we subject to surrendering? Could that surrendering be done without years of fracas?

Yes, there are some things out there that would make any human being instictively fight for. War is a human instinct, and although that instinct has been changed throughout the years, it is still necessary in many cases.

I'm not saying it was necessary in Iraq. Sure, war in Iraq was an option, and they could have played out that option a lot smoother than they are right now. But, if Iraq was all about going to oust an evil dictator from power, then why haven't we gone to North Korea yet? Or Iran? Syria? ... etc etc. If that was the reason for Iraq, then all those previously stated countries qualify for an invasion as well.

anyway, back to war in general. Would you take up arms if your country, freedom, or beliefs were threatened? I sure would, I'm no submissive bitch.

"Boo hoo, people die in war! Human life is precious!"



Human life is cheap... very cheap. Are you aware of how many humans are born every day? Are you aware of just how expendable you and I are? How expendable every human on this planet is? Once our population is under the billions mark, I might listen. Also, I remember the just war principle from catholic school! Worst idea ever.

Sometimes war is necessary. For an example, see the Second World War. Allowing the Nazis to act unopposed would have been disastrous for Europe and ultimately the entire world.
Especially since they had already started invading other nations :rolleyes:

Sun Tzu... Clausewitz.... Machiavelli....

You are right, human life is cheap, and you know what irritates me is that we are, with are huge gas crap, and with all of the global warming, we are killing humanity, and all denizen of the world, but that isn't a free card to go and shoot those people. We are mass populated, but look at how many people die every day. War doesn't solve any problems, but it quiets it. Terrorism is quieted, but that doesn't abolish it. Racism, the same. Bigotry, the same. World leaders, who want to win the world are scarce, but not annialated.

You are right, human life is cheap, and you know what irritates me is that we are, with are huge gas crap, and with all of the global warming, we are killing humanity, and all denizen of the world, but that isn't a free card to go and shoot those people. We are mass populated, but look at how many people die every day. War doesn't solve any problems, but it quiets it. Terrorism is quieted, but that doesn't abolish it. Racism, the same. Bigotry, the same. World leaders, who want to win the world are scarce, but not annialated.

Meh, I never liked humanity.

Also, I remember the just war principle from catholic school! Worst idea ever.

What makes you say that?

If you truly do abide by it, then your enemies know it. It lets your enemies know for certain that they can jerk you around for a VERY VERY long time before you'll react in any meaningful way.

I only know no-war could save my nation %29 of it's budget!

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War - it's like taxes. It's only good when there is an asshole tinpot dictator knocking down your friend's door asnd taking over peaceful nations. It's bad when it starts costing you and it leads to unnecessary waste.

"Boo hoo, people die in war! Human life is precious!"



Human life is cheap... very cheap. Are you aware of how many humans are born every day? Are you aware of just how expendable you and I are? How expendable every human on this planet is? Once our population is under the billions mark, I might listen. Also, I remember the just war principle from catholic school! Worst idea ever.
It's true, war does control population The Thirty Years War HALVED Germany's population. But if you don't hold human life precious, what do you hold precious? Nature is cruel, and merciless, but is all-logical.

And what do you mean "worst idea ever"? I think there is such a thing a "just war".
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Machiavelli said never avoid war, simply wait to have the advantage before you wage it.

Parkus, the Just War Principle is a tennant of the catholic church regarding the conduct of warfare and initiation of hostilities. It is a catholic doctrine (which means there is a 99.8% chance that it's a bad idea already) and not a very good one at that.