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Were do you stand? would like to know.

I'm basically an anarchist, so I'd fall in the utmost, extreme left.

not on that scale.

not on that scale.
Hence why I voted for all :D

Well, I am an individualist and anarcho-capitalist, so the extreme right. When my brain is functioning though I am minarchist-monarchist, which would still leave me floating somewhere around in the right.

Then you are not an anarchist.

Im more a Democratic Socialist, so that makes me left.

I voted my conscience.

Then you are not an anarchist.
Oh, am I not? I support the theory. I just think for the time being it has ideological deficiencies. Don't tell me what I am or not.

Oh, am I not? I support the theory. I just think for the time being it has ideological deficiencies. Don't tell me what I am or not.

Bugger!! This is two mistakes in the space of 5 minutes on my part!! (see the XP thread for another glorious example! LOL)

I was replying to Similization...but did not (obviously) use the quote button but rather used the reply button...

DOH!!!

Having read your post I think you and I oculd be on the same wave length...I utterly believe in free mrakets and free enterprise...I also value personal responsibility and freedom.

It is a hard thing to balance but whoever said life was going to be easy?!:)

Bugger!! This is two mistakes in the space of 5 minutes on my part!! (see the XP thread for another glorious example! LOL)

I was replying to Similization...but did not (obviously) use the quote button but rather used the reply button...

DOH!!!
My apologies then. :)

Having read your post I think you and I oculd be on the same wave length...I utterly believe in free mrakets and free enterprise...I also value personal responsibility and freedom.

It is a hard thing to balance but whoever said life was going to be easy?!:)
Awesome. We could do with more like you around here.

You need at least two more dimensions for me.

I wanted to be a jackass and vote for all, but then I saw it was public and decided to selectively skew the results... :D

This thread is t3h biased towards the left-right spectrum. You can't classify me on it.

Just pick one you like the best if your extreme right or left, pick left or right, it falls, there in this poll.

Then you are not an anarchist.Kindly explain.

Mostly, I am left-wing. Extreme left wing.
Anarcho-communist, environmentalist, atheist (I know this has no bearing on left-right but atheists tend to be left-leaning), and then the one thing that pushes me a bit to the right: isolationist.
EDIT: And I also tend to be fairly pacifist.

Anyways, look at my siggy for the Political Compass score.

My apologies then. :)


Awesome. We could do with more like you around here.

Is cool...no need to apologise....your response was very reasoned and not offensive...but then I do have a thick skin LOL

I guess the closest label I can think of for me is along the lines of anarcho-libertarian with a social conscience...I have huge tolerance but give stupidity short shrift.

Multi-culturalism fits into my view but fascism does not. I have no issue with people mythologising but when myths make laws I object.

Free markets allow innovation....fast.

Taxes are legalised theft. I would support charities if I did not pay taxes. I do not see the point of us getting a new nuke system (I live in the UK).

etc etc sorry...gotta start a wine thread!

Explain to me Anarcho communism, I dont think something like that will ever work cause there will be no order at all. I want more fredoms and rights to people, and benefits but with order, Also I notice the leftists are winning yaii!.

Kindly explain.

anarchism is outside the limits of right or left...

politics is not linear...

not having a go at you...just think that you are wrong in thinking that anarchism is always automatically leftist...

I'm a right-wing Conseravitve-Republican. Why is this a multiple choice poll?

Is cool...no need to apologise....your response was very reasoned and not offensive...but then I do have a thick skin LOL
Good, you'll need a thick skin here. ;)

I guess the closest label I can think of for me is along the lines of anarcho-libertarian with a social conscience...I have huge tolerance but give stupidity short shrift.
Sort of the same here. That makes me remain a minarchist.


Multi-culturalism fits into my view but fascism does not. I have no issue with people mythologising but when myths make laws I object.
Multiculturalism, yes. Uniculturalism? No thanks.

Free markets allow innovation....fast.
Damn true.

Taxes are legalised theft. I would support charities if I did not pay taxes. I do not see the point of us getting a new nuke system (I live in the UK).
Again, agreed. :)

I voted right because the right is right on all the issues.

I voted right because the right is right on all the issues.
ROFL :D

I'm pretty close to the center. I have some conservative beliefs and some liberal beliefs. I believe abortions should not be given freely, but I also believe gays should be allowed the same rights as everyone else. I believe tighter gun restrictions will only affect law-abiding citizens, but I also believe in universal healthcare.
I also personally don't give a damn whether who I'm voting for is republican or democrat just so long as it's not extreme in either one of those.

I voted right because the right is right on all the issues.

I LOL'D :sniper: at right conservatives. :cool:

Cause they are all Capitalist fat cats!!!!!!!!!! RAAWR!.

ROFL :D
How is that funny?

Explain to me Anarcho communism, I dont think something like that will ever work cause there will be no order at all. I want more fredoms and rights to people, and benefits but with order, Also I notice the leftists are winning yaii!.

Anarcho-communism is much closer to what Marx actually said communism was than say Leninism (oooh how I hate Lenin...fucking fake communist... :headbang: ).
It basically uses some of what makes capitalism very efficent, without losing the equality that communism brings. Also, I would agrue, that Marx did not want state imposed equality in wealth. He once wrote: "Communism deprives no man of the ability to appropriate the fruits of his labour. The only thing it deprives him of is the ability to enslave others by means of such appropriations." Which seems to point to less of a hatred of incentive-based economy than people tend to think. Also, I do believe Engles hypothesized that incentives would be necessary for any economy to work, communist or otherwise, and thereby it seems that communism should not be devoid of incentives. So, anarcho-communism is communism without Leninism. People would be rewarded for hard work, it would be a decentralized economy to use the knowledge of the entire nation instead of relying on the impossiblity that a small group of politicians know everything, and it would still hold firm with the communist ideals of abolition of private property and communalism.

Furthermore, anarcho-communism would be democratic, as Marx wanted ("Dictatorship of the Proletariat" = Rule by the People = Democracy), and would afford many civil and political rights, because oppression is oppression, whether political or economic and so to free the people in one regard but oppress them in the other will not end oppression, it just gives oppression a new face.

I'm a leftist oppresive dictator, kind of.
I dont have privacy rights but im a conservationist.

Good, you'll need a thick skin here. ;)


Sort of the same here. That makes me remain a minarchist.


Multiculturalism, yes. Uniculturalism? No thanks.


Damn true.


Again, agreed. :)

I'm not a noob really...I used to have a nation a few years back...but the last year I've been working and my nation got deleted...

I must say that the present systems will implode eventually...our greatest communication tool is the 'net...

I'm a leftist oppresive dictator, kind of.
I dont have privacy rights but im a conservationist.

Leftist =/= oppressive dictator

I voted right because the right is right on all the issues.

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Extreme Left - Libertarian Communist.

Extreme Left - Libertarian Communist.

Extreme Left/Right = fuckwit

Extreme Left/Right = fuckwit
Maybe in your opinion but I believe that radical solutions are clearly needed for the world's problems.

I'm asshole. Basically, I'm whatever everyone else isn't and I rub it in their faces until they punch me in the face. : D

Maybe in your opinion but I believe that radical solutions are clearly needed for the world's problems.

Absolutely!!! You have no arguement from me on that at all.

However extremists do not implement common sense solutions...their mania does not allow them to see the reality...

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is that necessary?

is that necessary?
It was bound to come up sooner or later, sonny Jim.

Absolutely!!! You have no arguement from me on that at all.

However extremists do not implement common sense solutions...their mania does not allow them to see the reality...
It depends on the definition of extreme. I'm extreme in that I'm as far to the left as possible in my social and economic views however I also believe in valuing the opinions of everyone else and ensuring any solutions are carried out democratically by the people themselves rather than imposed through violence.

I used to consider myself fairly centered, but the right has changed quite a bit since Dubya came to power. I've had to shift to the left as a result.

The best political test on the net, I've seen is www.moral-politics.com. I am a Fundamentalist Christian Ultra Capitalist. I like to think I put the 'Fun' into 'Fundamentalist Extremism'.

anarchism is outside the limits of right or left...

politics is not linear...

not having a go at you...just think that you are wrong in thinking that anarchism is always automatically leftist...Well.. On a right-left scale, it's usually considered the "t" in left.

But you're right. It falls outside the scope of monodimensional clasification, just like everything else. I suppose it would be more accurate to describe it as the spot directly opposite the centrist ideal, in the place where the extreme right & left ought to meet... If the line was a circle.

is that necessary?

As necessary as your original post....

It depends on the definition of extreme. I'm extreme in that I'm as far to the left as possible in my social and economic views however I also believe in valuing the opinions of everyone else and ensuring any solutions are carried out democratically by the people themselves rather than imposed through violence.

Then I would say you were not an extremist...

Extremists do whatever is needed to achieve the objective...and the objective is usually decided by the extremist....

I took the moral politics test and got Moderate Socialism/Social Democratism. I voted for left.

Well.. On a right-left scale, it's usually considered the "t" in left.

But you're right. It falls outside the scope of monodimensional clasification, just like everything else. I suppose it would be more accurate to describe it as the spot directly opposite the centrist ideal, in the place where the extreme right & left ought to meet... If the line was a circle.

Sure...usually because its been defined by those who have no understanding of the subject.

I do disagree with your 2nd statement....not everything else...only anarchisism is outside the circle/line...even libertarianism is still beholden to this...only anarchism can smash this never ending nightmare...

Your third statement...yeah...pretty much spot on...because the centre is an abomination to anyone who values freedom....

I voted right because the right is right on all the issues.
ROFL :D
How is that funny?
If you cannot tell, there's really very little point of me arguing about it... :headbang:

Poor list of choices. Change it to reflect a 2-axis scale of political philosophy, and I'll be able to answer.

I'm basically an anarchist, so I'd fall in the utmost, extreme left.

wait, wouldn't you be extreme right. The right is for smaller government and more market freedoms, anarchists are for NO government, so anarchism must be ultra-right.

I'm a anti-Corprate libratarian

Social Democrat, but not the wishy washy term it is associated with nowadays (often centre right parties now if you ask me), so I generally call myself a Democratic Socialist.

wait, wouldn't you be extreme right. The right is for smaller government and more market freedoms, anarchists are for NO government, so anarchism must be ultra-right.

Nah... most anarchists (except anarcho-capitalists) are left wingers of some orgin.

And then some anarchists argue anarcho-capitalism isnt capitalism as anarchism and capitalism are mutually exclusive in their eyes.

wait, wouldn't you be extreme right. The right is for smaller government and more market freedoms, anarchists are for NO government, so anarchism must be ultra-right.Yet in practice, the right is for large government & strict market regulations.

Anarchists are generally considered leftwingers, at least in Europe. But as stated elsewhere by both myself & others, the ideology doesn't really fit the left-right scale.

I'd vote if this included llambas.

Were do you stand? would like to know.

On a rather "monkey wrench in the works" platform. For example, on most online catagorising quiz type things, I tend to be outside any of the given options.

The best political test on the net, I've seen is www.moral-politics.com. I am a Fundamentalist Christian Ultra Capitalist. I like to think I put the 'Fun' into 'Fundamentalist Extremism'.

There were too many contradictory options there - I'm pretty sure the 13 ouf 16 answers that I Checked "Check if the question is confusing" (mostly because none of the options remotely reflected my understanding of the workings of the universe - ) render any results invalid...

Came out as a Socialist... well an internationalist socialist... no real suprise there.

Left? Right? Center? What the hell?! There is not left or right. There are only issues, and only positions on said issues. There is no spectrum, for it was based on an initially flawed premise anyway. I refuse to define myself under a spectrum that does not truly exist.

I'm basically an anarchist, so I'd fall in the utmost, extreme left.
:rolleyes:

Ecomics - right
Political freedom/individuality - right
Social support - Centre/left

Centre-Right.
Not radical but I do appreciate the ceasing of people's constant whining and labour unions.