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This is targeted especially at the emos out there who cut their wrists and complain about their parents. I'm not saying that you don't have problems, but come on, suicide is for cowards. Instead of facing your problems, you take the easy way out, which hurts everyone around you more than you could possibly imagine. Also, rock stars who die young are not to be idolized, for they are not worthy role models. I remember my line of thinking when I was 13 or 14. OOOOhhhh, look at that Kurt Cobain, he had so many fans and he was so talented, and then he killed himself-how utterly cool!! Not. Someone who used heroin is not a good role model, and dying young is not cool at all. First of all, he suffered greatly, and he went through something that no one should ever go through, and secondly, society lost a valuable artist when he ended his life (but not that valuable, there are way better songwriters). In short, don't idolize rock stars who die young because of drug overdoses or suicide because those people wasted their lives and took the easy and cowardly way out.

What is an emo?

This is targeted especially at the emos out there who cut their wrists and complain about their parents. .

Remember when cutting your wrists.

Go up and down the highway, dont cross it.

In other words cut from elbow to wrist, not across the wrist. If you are going to kill yourself do the job right or dont do it at all.

dude, slicing your wrists open is not my preferred way of suiciding. I would think using a gun would be much faster.

Anyways, emo stands for "emotional", and it's those kids that are like "My life sucks so much, but I'm not gonna do anything to improve it, I'm gonna go write some bad, angsty poety and kill myself now"

Remember when cutting your wrists.

Go up and down the highway, dont cross it.

In other words cut from elbow to wrist, not across the wrist. If you are going to kill yourself do the job right or dont do it at all.
Yeah, they do it out of angst, not because they are really trying to kill themselves.

Cool or not, it's one of the few subculture fads that can't proliferate without extinguishing itself in its wake.

Problems with a gun is that if its not done right, and the person lives, they become a medical burden on the family.

I wont even get into the mess it makes on the carpet.

Which leads me to my next point. If you are going to "check out" use the bathtub and dont ruin anyones carpet. Its bad enough you are going to be selfish and kill yoursef...boy that will show them. Dont make them replace the carpet too.

What is an emo?


A very emotional person

That's why I idolize Miles Davis. He took every drug imaginable without killing himself, then grabbed life by the balls and played his trumpet in it's face.

Yeah, they do it out of angst, not because they are really trying to kill themselves.

Thats too bad.

That's why I idolize Miles Davis. He took every drug imaginable without killing himself, then grabbed life by the balls and played his trumpet in it's face.

Now, there is an idea.

Elvis popped pills, so I do not let my children listen to him.

Yeah, they do it out of angst, not because they are really trying to kill themselves.

With the result being that many young people with real, uncontrollable psychological problems go ignored...or are even worse dismissed as nothing more than another angsty teen because it has become so common that it is hard to determine what is real and what isn't.

Pretending to be sucidial or depressed is immature, irresponsible, and selfish. You're diverting time and attention away from a very real problem, and that is unacceptable.

A very emotional person

Not nessisarily. Someone can be very emotional and not an 'Emo.'

Most emos are catagorized by their intense depressions, terrible music preferences, and stupid clothes.

It's not cool, sure 'nuff, but most of the time it's funny as hell.

Anyways, emo stands for "emotional", and it's those kids that are like "My life sucks so much, but I'm not gonna do anything to improve it, I'm gonna go write some bad, angsty poety and kill myself now"

Thanks for the clarification.

Just a little perspective on the theory. Depression is a disease, a chemical imbalance in the brain. People with depression can't necessarily think logically, they can't think beyond the extreme "angst" of the moment. So, telling such persons that they are dumb shits for wanting to die doesn't work. They are unable to appreciate that living has "value" or that things will get better. They have no perspective on optimism. They can't even do what is necessary to help themselves. They need savvy friends and family to recognize and intervene.

With the result being that many young people with real, uncontrollable psychological problems go ignored...or are even worse dismissed as nothing more than another angsty teen because it has become so common that it is hard to determine what is real and what isn't.

Pretending to be sucidial or depressed is immature, irresponsible, and selfish. You're diverting time and attention away from a very real problem, and that is unacceptable.
Well said, well said.

Not nessisarily. Someone can be very emotional and not an 'Emo.'

Most emos are catagorized by their intense depressions, terrible music preferences, and stupid clothes.
http://quiksilver.moonside.org/emo's.JPG

Thanks for the clarification.

Just a little perspective on the theory. Depression is a disease, a chemical imbalance in the brain. People with depression can't necessarily think logically, they can't think beyond the extreme "angst" of the moment. So, telling such persons that they are dumb shits for wanting to die doesn't work. They are unable to appreciate that living has "value" or that things will get better. They have no perspective on optimism. They can't even do what is necessary to help themselves. They need savvy friends and family to recognize and intervene.

Yes, but most of these kids are just being told that it's cool and following the fad. Older generations got rock'n'roll, hair metal, funk, jazz...these poor saps get the one music type that encourages you to feel shitty.

Yes, but most of these kids are just being told that it's cool and following the fad. Older generations got rock'n'roll, hair metal, funk, jazz...these poor saps get the one music type that encourages you to feel shitty.
There's pop music :D

http://quiksilver.moonside.org/emo's.JPG

Finally, a cereal that UNDERSTANDS me!

Can't wait for the new razor.

You know, I think Emo kids are a bit wimpy. Wouldn't it be more spectacular to go all seppuku and impale oneself on a Katana? Or perhaps an Spiked Iron Fence?

Pop music may not tell you to feel shitty, but listening to it does make you a shitty person.

On topic, emo's are self-created pariahs, who cry and act said... to get laid. Same reason all the other groups exist. To fit in and get laid. The solution? Kill em all, they're too busy crying to do it themselves.

Not nessisarily. Someone can be very emotional and not an 'Emo.'

Most emos are catagorized by their intense depressions, terrible music preferences, and stupid clothes.


Emo. What a messed up name. :rolleyes:

Who comes up with names for types of people?

Finally, a cereal that UNDERSTANDS me!

Can't wait for the new razor.

You know, I think Emo kids are a bit wimpy. Wouldn't it be more spectacular to go all seppuku and impale oneself on a Katana? Or perhaps an Spiked Iron Fence?
EMOs should be doing that rather than writing music about cutting and crying.

Emo. What a messed up name. :rolleyes:

Who comes up with names for types of people?

People who don't want to write "[people with] intense depressions, terrible music preferences, and stupid clothes."

But hey, after all

They made their mistakes
Got no where to run
The night goes on as they're fading away
They're sick of this life
They just want to screeeeeeaaaaaaaaaam
"How could this happen to me?!"

Well bitch, if you'd stop to be the long haired, pierced, crying pretty boy, and grow a pair, maybe life would have a place for you.

No, nevermind, not for you, never. Go back to crying.

Elvis popped pills, so I do not let my children listen to him.

And I've heard nothing but bad things about that Johnny Cash individual.

And I've heard nothing but bad things about that Johnny Cash individual.
He was a sick sick man.

It's not down the highway, or across the road... It's right through the jugular vein! Be a man, go for decapitation.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=manly_suicide (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=manly_suicide)

was waiting for someone to post that.

I like to beat up emo kids, that'll give them something to bitch about!

Idiots should realize that I'm just kidding, and if you can't then you're dee dee dee

was waiting for someone to post that.

Me too, so I took it upon myself.

Emo. What a messed up name. :rolleyes:

Who comes up with names for types of people?

It would be quite a fun job.

Remember, kids, stereotypes are fun!

The samurai thought this. They though suicide was a cowardly way of running away from life. So, they invented sepukku. It's so painful, it makes it so suicide as bad as it gets. Fewer samurai commited suicide.

After reading The Count of Monte Cristo, and thinking about how bad the Cheatu d'If would be, I never complained about life as much. Life could be TERRIBLE, and I think I don't deserve a life as good as I have. Anyone who thinks God should give them a better life are just egotistical self-piting fools.

Suicide is like you giving food to a person who hasn't eaten for a week, and them saying "it tastes bad. I don't want it, take it back." Suicide is being an ingrate to God.

Technically, since few people could accurrately go down the vein, the simplest way would be going across repeatedly.

Technically, since few people could accurrately go down the vein, the simplest way would be going across repeatedly.

Easy to fix, easy to hide, longer to bleed out if you can even bleed out from it. More major veins in the length of the arm.

If someone is really serious about suicide, they do it quietly at most leaving a note or video or something. Anyone who stands on a bridge or rooftop and starts ranting just wants attention. Yes they have problems but they aren't suicidal. The truly suicidal usually finish what they start.

If someone starts the rant, tell them to shut up and get on with it.

If someone is really serious about suicide, they do it quietly at most leaving a note or video or something. Anyone who stands on a bridge or rooftop and starts ranting just wants attention. Yes they have problems but they aren't suicidal. The truly suicidal usually finish what they start.

If someone starts the rant, tell them to shut up and get on with it.

A lot of truth there. If they want to commit suicide they will. Which was my first point. Do it right or dont do it at all. Quit wasting everyones time.

This is targeted especially at the emos out there who cut their wrists and complain about their parents. I'm not saying that you don't have problems, but come on, suicide is for cowards. Instead of facing your problems, you take the easy way out, which hurts everyone around you more than you could possibly imagine.

First of all, I agree with the basic premise-- suicide is not a thing to be glorified or romanticized, though it almost inevitably is by the people who didn't know the deceased. As bad as life may seem, it gets better and the belief that death is preferable to continuing is wrong. A dear friend of mine attempted suicide once, but came to her senses in time to call 911. She spent a few days in the hospital but has never regretted changing her mind at the last minute.

But it is not generally a matter of bravery vs. cowardice. In some cases, such as with much of the emo/goth culture (which I hate so very very much), suicide is put on a pedestal and seen as a noble thing, and as such people may do it largely out of a sense of trying to accomplish something momentous, or perhaps "This'll show them". But bravery is a thing that applies more in the face of immediate danger (some forms of suicide, like seppuku, require considerable bravery but are nevertheless a very bad idea).

Hope versus despair is a more accurate depiction of the issue of suicide than bravery versus cowardice, although the cowardice angle might appear to be effective in shaming people into not committing suicide.

What is an emo?

It's the newest label attached to depressed teenagers who write bad poetry. This year's flavour of teeniegoths.

Not in anyway related to the style of hardcore known as emo. ;)

It's the newest label attached to depressed teenagers who write bad poetry. This year's flavour of teeniegoths.

Not in anyway related to the style of hardcore known as emo. ;)

How do you tell who is really depressed then?

The samurai thought this. They though suicide was a cowardly way of running away from life. So, they invented sepukku. It's so painful, it makes it so suicide as bad as it gets. Fewer samurai commited suicide.

After reading The Count of Monte Cristo, and thinking about how bad the Cheatu d'If would be, I never complained about life as much. Life could be TERRIBLE, and I think I don't deserve a life as good as I have. Anyone who thinks God should give them a better life are just egotistical self-piting fools.

Suicide is like you giving food to a person who hasn't eaten for a week, and them saying "it tastes bad. I don't want it, take it back." Suicide is being an ingrate to God.

I survived two suicide attempts now, and one thing I can tell you is that being considered a coward is definitely not something that takes up a lot of your thoughts at that very moment. And neither does being considered ingrateful. I was brought to this life without my consent, but at least I can leave it whenever I choose. When you get right down to it, your life is the only thing that's really truly yours, you can do with it whatever you want.

Yes, committing suicide will hurt others. Which is the one thought that normally will hold me back. But you can reach a point when the pain you might inflict on others pales so much in comparisson to the own pain you go through that you simply stop caring. It is tough, and it is selfish, but that is what being in pain does to you.

I've never heard of anyone committing suicide because they thought some celestial being owed them a better life. Most people will kill themselves because they are no longer able - for whatever reason - to live the life they have. Simple as that. I wouldn't want another life, I don't want any life at all.

Oh, and by the way, god is for people who believe in god...

How do you tell who is really depressed then?

It's difficult. Why emos suck, distract us from more important cases.

This is targeted especially at the emos out there who cut their wrists and complain about their parents. I'm not saying that you don't have problems, but come on, suicide is for cowards. Instead of facing your problems, you take the easy way out, which hurts everyone around you more than you could possibly imagine.

And yet it is *still* so that the choice to commit suicide is up to the individual in question. Not up to you, not up to the local priest, not up to that random man in the park. It is that persons life, their property, and they therefor have every right to decide to throw it away if they want to.

I like to beat up emo kids, that'll give them something to bitch about!

Remember they carry razorblades ;)

Didn't Jesus commit suicide

Didn't Jesus commit suicide

That might be a bit of a technicality. In essence, he had to if he wanted to die, didn't he? Him being divine and all-powerful and all that.... but he disguised it well, didn't he? :D

What is an emo?

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Yeah. Suicide isnt cool and in my opinion is the most selfish thing ever. I think that those who want to do it should do it a painful way like injecting air into their veins, slowly poisoning themselves over a year until they cant function anymore and die of starvation or sickness, or well there is also eating lots of cheese to give ones self extreme constipation letting it build up and well you know the rest.

Cutting one's veins? Using a gun? You're all insane, these things hurt!
The way to commit suicide is to use some powerful sedatives and some cyanide (it's lethal at roughly 300 ppm and acts quite fast), which is trivial to procure.
If you really want to make it more of a spectacle, mix bleach and a nitrogen fertiliser, then bang on it. (Nitrogen trichloride is sensitive to the touch.)
Or simply take some benzene, react it with methyl iodide wit AlCl3, then nitric acid with sulphuric acid, then bang on it. (Trinitrotoluene is easy to make and famously explosive.)

I don't see much of a point in calling suicide a cowardly act - so what? You die, why should you care if it's cowardly or not?
And there is, I don't think, no intrinsic value in life; if you don't believe that it is worthwhile to continue to live, then it is your right, de facto and, in most sensible places on Earth, de jure, that you may decide to cease to live. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. And yes, you may hurt some people who are close to you, but in particular if you have no one who is, then it really makes no difference, eh?

Sometimes I've heard suicide referred to as the 'easy way out' with a considerable degree of contempt. Yet isn't it a very positive thing to find the easiest way out? What's so wrong with not wanting to go on in life, even with the vague idea that it might one day in the future be better (it might not, and you'd still have to live through until such time even if it might be)?
Don't you reckon that it is denial of the right of suicide that is, in fact, selfish? Why should those people 'around' the person who is committing suicide be so concerned with themselves that they should want him or her to endure the pain/etc just so that they don't get hurt?

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Don't you reckon that it is denial of the right of suicide that is, in fact, selfish? Why should those people 'around' the person who is committing suicide be so concerned with themselves that they should want him or her to endure the pain/etc just so that they don't get hurt?

Very good point.

suicide is for fucking cowards.

suicide is for fucking cowards.

And isn't it nice to know there's a little something for cowards as well? :rolleyes:

And isn't it nice to know there's a little something for cowards as well? :rolleyes:


Hey, I say that becuase Ive been there.

Ive been on nearly every anti-depressant out there, and have been as low as most people get.
I say its for cowards, becuase to give up, and die is taking the easiest way out there is.
Its the perfect way to not deal with life, when life gets so tough you can barely think of anything else, and even getting out of bed seems impossible.

Cowards roll over and die.

It takes courage to try to beat depression.

Cowards roll over and die.

You say this as if it is a bad thing.

You say this as if it is a bad thing.


I think so.

Its far harder, to keep getting up every morning, get showered, go to work, etc, when your at rock bottom than it is to simply give up and die.

Hey, I say that becuase Ive been there.

Ive been on nearly every anti-depressant out there, and have been as low as most people get.
I say its for cowards, becuase to give up, and die is taking the easiest way out there is.
Its the perfect way to not deal with life, when life gets so tough you can barely think of anything else, and even getting out of bed seems impossible.

Cowards roll over and die.

It takes courage to try to beat depression.

And don't I know it. I'm still here, but to tell you the truth, I'm not particularly proud of the fact. Then again, I wouldn't be proud to have sucessfully off'ed myself either.
Calling those who suceed in killing themselves "cowards" doesn't help anybody, it accomplishes nothing. Yes, it is the easy way out. But does that automatically mean it doesn't take any courage at all? I know I dropped the knife a couple of times before I could make the first cut.

Staying alive isn't any braver than killing oneself.

I think so.

Its far harder, to keep getting up every morning, get showered, go to work, etc, when your at rock bottom than it is to simply give up and die.

Oh, I agree. But why do you consider it such a bad thing that people are allowed to choose the easy way out ?

And don't I know it. I'm still here, but to tell you the truth, I'm not particularly proud of the fact. Then again, I wouldn't be proud to have sucessfully off'ed myself either.
Calling those who suceed in killing themselves "cowards" doesn't help anybody, it accomplishes nothing. Yes, it is the easy way out. But does that automatically mean it doesn't take any courage at all? I know I dropped the knife a couple of times before I could make the first cut.

Staying alive isn't any braver than killing oneself.

Hell yes it is!

Killing yourself takes momentary courage to actually do it....and then all of your problems are over.

Living requires a daily battle, against your toughest opponent.

Yourself.

There was good long while for me that even getting out of bed seemed impossible, and that if I just did nothing, it would all go away.
Every single day it was a monumental effort to do ordinary things like working, or housecleaning, or even basic hygene.
Eventually it got better, and things were easier to do.

The more active you become, the better it gets.
and by active, I dont mean excercise, I mean simply DOING things.
Hanging out with friends, going out every so often, making an effort to stay busy with anything, particularly that wich inspires you.

Its hard as fuck sometimes, but you just gotta keep going.

Blowing my head off instead, would have been so much easier.

Oh, I agree. But why do you consider it such a bad thing that people are allowed to choose the easy way out ?


Now your talking about Euthanasia.

Thats different.

If a person is afflicted with a terminal condition, I personally dont have issues with doing ones self in early, to avoid horrible suffering.

Depression however, isnt a terminal condition.

Its far harder, to keep getting up every morning, get showered, go to work, etc, when your at rock bottom than it is to simply give up and die.
It is also far harder to walk on macadam without shoes, but that doesn't mean that not wearing shoes is any better than wearing them.
And it is also far harder to synthesise 1,1-diphenyl-3-carbonyl-but-1-ene using the aldol reaction than it is using the Knoevenagel one, but that doesn't make the aldol reaction better.
It is most often quite stupid to take the hard route when there's a much easier way out.

And yes, clearly there's a major difference between these examples and suicide - you can't reverse your decision once you've committed to it with the latter, and that's why, I think, it is sometimes better to be obstinate and continue with your life, because your decision might not be completely rational at the time you make it. But nevertheless, I should imagine, it is not justified to remove suicide as an option altogether. Particularly not on some fishy grounds like 'it is easier, so it must be the worse option'. That just doesn't hold up.

Now your talking about Euthanasia.

Thats different.

If a person is afflicted with a terminal condition, I personally dont have issues with doing ones self in early, to avoid horrible suffering.

Depression however, isnt a terminal condition.

Butt does that matter ? Who are you to determine what other people should consider valid reasons to die ? It is *their* life.

Of course, in the case of depression, one can argue that the person is not him/herself and therefor incapable of making decisions - but suppose the person in question was not depressed. Suppose he just had decided that life had no more appeal, despite being healthy etc., and that he wanted to move on.
Does he have "a duty" to live on ? If so - a duty to whom ?

Depression however, isnt a terminal condition.
Two of my great-grandparents on my mother's side commited suicide, both were exceptionally depressed.

Depression is a terminal disease for some, because people can get so down in the gutters that they take their own life. Tell me how that doesn't make it a terminal disease.

And yes, clearly there's a major difference between these examples and suicide - you can't reverse your decision once you've committed to it with the latter, and that's why, I think, it is sometimes better to be obstinate and continue with your life, because your decision might not be completely rational at the time you make it. But nevertheless, I should imagine, it is not justified to remove suicide as an option altogether. Particularly not on some fishy grounds like 'it is easier, so it must be the worse option'. That just doesn't hold up.

Sadly, with the human mind, the path of most resistance is usually the successful one.

I never said suicide should be entirely ruled out, but for most people, its a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
As you stated, there is no going back.

I say its for cowards, becuase these people are afraid to go on living, probably out of fear of failing, or afraid of being more hurt than they already are.
Its fear that motivates most suicides.

So..to end it quickly, is to give up before the battle actually commences.
Thus, suicide is for cowards.

Two of my great-grandparents on my mother's side commited suicide, both were exceptionally depressed.

Depression is a terminal disease for some, because people can get so down in the gutters that they take their own life. Tell me how that doesn't make it a terminal disease.

Did you miss my post earlier when I said Ive been prescribed a cartload of anti-depressants?

Ive been there.

Depression wont kill you, it can be beaten.
It only kills you, if you let it.
To succumb to it, or to not get help if you need it, that will lead to a very dark place that can end in suicide.
However, the condition doesnt have to be terminal.

Hell yes it is!

Killing yourself takes momentary courage to actually do it....and then all of your problems are over.

Living requires a daily battle, against your toughest opponent.

Yourself.

There was good long while for me that even getting out of bed seemed impossible, and that if I just did nothing, it would all go away.
Every single day it was a monumental effort to do ordinary things like working, or housecleaning, or even basic hygene.
Eventually it got better, and things were easier to do.

The more active you become, the better it gets.
and by active, I dont mean excercise, I mean simply DOING things.
Hanging out with friends, going out every so often, making an effort to stay busy with anything, particularly that wich inspires you.

Its hard as fuck sometimes, but you just gotta keep going.

Blowing my head off instead, would have been so much easier.


I guess this is a simple question of value against cost. If you no longer feel it's worth the effort to keep going, no matter how good it could eventually become, why keep going?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating it (at least I hope I'm not), and I denfinetely don't think suicide should be considered trendy or fashionable in any way. And I certainly have immense respect for anybody who went through depression and had the strength to pick himself up and keep going and to see it through. There is NO easy way out of depression. Killing yourself may look easier, one instance of bravery as you put it, but believe me, it's not. If it was, do you think we would see nearly as many failed suicide attempts?

Butt does that matter ? Who are you to determine what other people should consider valid reasons to die ? It is *their* life.

Allow me to clarify.

Im in no way saying that people shouldnt have the right to die whenever they see fit.
It would seem as the one thing that no one should be able to take away from you.

So..the RIGHT to do so..should be there.

However,
This doesnt mean I personally have to approve.

If you want to jump off a bridge becuase you just cant take it anymore, thats your perrogative.

Its also my perrogative to decide how to feel about your actions, once youve succeeded.

Of course, in the case of depression, one can argue that the person is not him/herself and therefor incapable of making decisions - but suppose the person in question was not depressed. Suppose he just had decided that life had no more appeal, despite being healthy etc., and that he wanted to move on.
Does he have "a duty" to live on ? If so - a duty to whom ?

Is this hypothetical responsible for anyone elses well-being?
Does he have anyone who relies on him/her?
Is he the bread-winner for anyone?

Theres a lot of variables in that question, Im afraid.
Thus, I cant give you a good answer.

Who the hell are you to judge others? Have you ever been in that position? Have you ever had something happen to you that has destroyed your entire life? I bet you havn't. What seems stupid and pointless to you may mean something compleatly different to someone else. So shut your mouth and think things through. Your obviously not fit to comment on this as you havn't been in that position. Some things are too much for people to deal with, thats why they resort to drugs, and other ways of escapisim. Think about that mister sheltered lifestyle. How would you react if someone you loved and respected turned around and hurt you in a way you never thought was possible. That someone you trusted with your future turned around and threw it in the mud. Keep your opinions to yourself in the future and you won't look stupid.

I guess this is a simple question of value against cost. If you no longer feel it's worth the effort to keep going, no matter how good it could eventually become, why keep going?

Becuase when your down, you cant see that it does eventually get better.
Nothing may be perfect, but it does get better.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating it (at least I hope I'm not), and I denfinetely don't think suicide should be considered trendy or fashionable in any way. And I certainly have immense respect for anybody who went through depression and had the strength to pick himself up and keep going and to see it through. There is NO easy way out of depression. Killing yourself may look easier, one instance of bravery as you put it, but believe me, it's not. If it was, do you think we would see nearly as many failed suicide attempts?

Your right, it isnt easy, and Im fairly certain it never will be.
Do I think there would be less people who have attempted it, if it were easy?
Perhaps, but I also think there are differerent reasons for attempting it.
I know personally a few people who have attempted it for the attention it brings.

Certainly not everyone does it for that reason, but there are those who do.
These people generally didnt want to actually succeed.

Who the hell are you to judge others? Have you ever been in that position? Have you ever had something happen to you that has destroyed your entire life? I bet you havn't. What seems stupid and pointless to you may mean something compleatly different to someone else. So shut your mouth and think things through. Your obviously not fit to comment on this as you havn't been in that position. Some things are too much for people to deal with, thats why they resort to drugs, and other ways of escapisim. Think about that mister sheltered lifestyle. How would you react if someone you loved and respected turned around and hurt you in a way you never thought was possible. That someone you trusted with your future turned around and threw it in the mud. Keep your opinions to yourself in the future and you won't look stupid.


are you speaking to me?

Your right, it isnt easy, and Im fairly certain it never will be.
Do I think there would be less people who have attempted it, if it were easy?
Perhaps, but I also think there are differerent reasons for attempting it.
I know personally a few people who have attempted it for the attention it brings.

Certainly not everyone does it for that reason, but there are those who do.
These people generally didnt want to actually succeed.

Yes, there are those. But I wouldn't really include them here, because those people didn't actually mean to kill themselves. I meant to, twice, and failed, twice. Yes, there are absolutely foolproof ways of killing yourself, like jumping out of a 20th floor window, or even blowing yourself up. Most people (me included) tend to shy away from that. I can't even give you a precise reason, but I personally would like to die as quiet and as peacefully as possible. Which, however, increases the risk of being found rematurely. On the other hand, it leaves the possibility of a last minute change of mind.

It's not easy to kill youself, it's an incredibly painful, stressful and emotional experience just to reach that decision. It's even harder to try and turn that decision into action. You're constantly fighting yourself, there'll always be that part of you that is screaming to live on, even though you know perferctly well that it will be nothing but agony.

Yes, there are those. But I wouldn't really include them here, because those people didn't actually mean to kill themselves. I meant to, twice, and failed, twice. Yes, there are absolutely foolproof ways of killing yourself, like jumping out of a 20th floor window, or even blowing yourself up. Most people (me included) tend to shy away from that. I can't even give you a precise reason, but I personally would like to die as quiet and as peacefully as possible. Which, however, increases the risk of being found rematurely. On the other hand, it leaves the possibility of a last minute change of mind.

It's not easy to kill youself, it's an incredibly painful, stressful and emotional experience just to reach that decision. It's even harder to try and turn that decision into action. You're constantly fighting yourself, there'll always be that part of you that is screaming to live on, even though you know perferctly well that it will be nothing but agony.


My dear, I would say that youre focusing on the worse half of depression, and maybe life in general.

Im sorry if what Im about to say sounds cliche' and retarded, but its sadly true.
Its a concious decision to want to feel better than you now do.
You ulitimately have to decide wether you will live or die, and if you must live, it has to be without all the pain you may be carrying around.

So, everyday, you have to do soemthing to get to that goal.
It doesnt have to be monumental, it can be deciding to finsih that song you were writing ( in my case) or that painting you started ( in your case)
Anything that you can focus on, and let something out.

You have to focus on the fact that you WILL feel better eventually.
It may be a mental placebo effect, but thats ultimately what it takes.
Dont focus on how miserable life is, youve had plenty of that shit, im sure.
Dont wallow in the stuff, that way leads to the dark side..and you know what Yoda says.....

Someone asked earlier how to tell the difference between actual depression cases and emos, here's how: if they either (1)write crappy poetry, (2)wear black, or (3)listen to goth music, they are EMO!

Seriously, emos piss me off because they divert attention from people who actually have problems.

My dear, I would say that youre focusing on the worse half of depression, and maybe life in general.

Im sorry if what Im about to say sounds cliche' and retarded, but its sadly true.
Its a concious decision to want to feel better than you now do.
You ulitimately have to decide wether you will live or die, and if you must live, it has to be without all the pain you may be carrying around.

So, everyday, you have to do soemthing to get to that goal.
It doesnt have to be monumental, it can be deciding to finsih that song you were writing ( in my case) or that painting you started ( in your case)
Anything that you can focus on, and let something out.

You have to focus on the fact that you WILL feel better eventually.
It may be a mental placebo effect, but thats ultimately what it takes.
Dont focus on how miserable life is, youve had plenty of that shit, im sure.
Dont wallow in the stuff, that way leads to the dark side..and you know what Yoda says.....

I'm past that right now.... well, for the time being anyway. But I do remember what it felt like, and I know that no matter how good my life might get (and yes, I'm still having serious doubts about that) I'll never be more than a step away from that point. I just know that no matter what I do, I'll always carry that darkness around with me. And in a way, it's a relief to know that if I'm just no longer able to take it all, I'll have to possibility to end it. Call me a coward for it if you want, that's your right if you want to.

I'm past that right now.... well, for the time being anyway. But I do remember what it felt like, and I know that no matter how good my life might get (and yes, I'm still having serious doubts about that) I'll never be more than a step away from that point. I just know that no matter what I do, I'll always carry that darkness around with me. And in a way, it's a relief to know that if I'm just no longer able to take it all, I'll have to possibility to end it. Call me a coward for it if you want, that's your right if you want to.


Frankly, I'd rather not have to.

I think you may be stronger than you know.

Some things are too much for people to deal with, thats why they resort to drugs, and other ways of escapisim. Think about that mister sheltered lifestyle.

Funny, you promote escapism, which is a sheltered lifestyle by its very definition, and then go on to try to insult someone who is living a sheltered lifestyle? :p

Frankly, I'd rather not have to.

I think you may be stronger than you know.

*lol

You know, one of the things I hate the most is when people tell me "You're such a nice person, you're such a great friend, I wouldn't know what to do without you..." It always makes me feel like screaming "And what about ME??? What do I get? Where do I get a great friend???"

Honestly, sometimes I envy those who are "weak" and "cowards"

You know, I wish my grass was emo...:D

uh oh. i might be in trouble...
how do you cure being emo?
HELP ME!

You know, I wish my grass was emo...:D


BOOOOOOOOO!

*high-pitched whiney voice* I'm emo, I cut myself, my middle class parents oppress me, I'm emo, I listen to Hawthorne Heights, I like black, my pants have chains, My body is addicted to endorphins, my art is depressing and makes me cry when I read it, I'm emo *end high-pitched whiney voice*

BOOOOOOOOO!

*high-pitched whiney voice* I'm emo, I cut myself, my middle class parents oppress me, I'm emo, I listen to Hawthorne Heights, I like black, my pants have chains, My body is addicted to endorphins, my art is depressing and makes me cry when I read it, I'm emo *end high-pitched whiney voice*

I don't jump around when I go to shows...

Cause I'm EMO!

I was thinking about emo kids, how they whine about their life style when, if they can afford the clothes, music, acessories, concert tickets, razor blades and drugs, they realy have it better than most people in the world.

It makes me think of Paris Hilton whining about some superficial thing on TV. Is Paris emo?

You know, I wish my grass was emo...:D

So it would cut itself, nice...:cool:

If you want to die and don't want to kill yourself, you have two options:

1- Join the Army and hope to be sent for first line duty in Irak or any other hotspot.

2- Make yourself enemies among people who can afford to pay a hitman for getting rid of you.

Why has no-one posted the emo song yet?

Why has no-one posted the emo song yet?

I guess because this is first of all about suicide, not emos...

I think of suicide as evolution at work, Nature weeding out the weak among us. If people want to kill themselves, I say go for it. Most people who talk about it non stop are too cowardly to do it. The ones who do just go ahead and off themselves. I think if you are going to kill yourself, you should have some consideration for the ones who will find you and live with you.

Some guidelines: No jumping off buildings or bridges, that just clogs up traffic. Cutting yourself is messy and leaves ugly puddles for others to clean up, very inconsiderate. Shooting yourself in the head? Thats so passe, no one does that anymore, or hanging.

The best method is taking an overdose of pills. This is the best and cleanest way to go, just drop a bottle of whatever sleeping pills you can get over the counter at your local pharmacy, and go to bed. Leave a note too, say goodbye, fuck you, whatever you like. :cool: If you talk about it, and think your life is SOOOO horrible, then go ahead, more food for us...;)

This is targeted especially at the emos out there who cut their wrists and complain about their parents. I'm not saying that you don't have problems, but come on, suicide is for cowards. Instead of facing your problems, you take the easy way out, which hurts everyone around you more than you could possibly imagine. Also, rock stars who die young are not to be idolized, for they are not worthy role models. I remember my line of thinking when I was 13 or 14. OOOOhhhh, look at that Kurt Cobain, he had so many fans and he was so talented, and then he killed himself-how utterly cool!! Not. Someone who used heroin is not a good role model, and dying young is not cool at all. First of all, he suffered greatly, and he went through something that no one should ever go through, and secondly, society lost a valuable artist when he ended his life (but not that valuable, there are way better songwriters). In short, don't idolize rock stars who die young because of drug overdoses or suicide because those people wasted their lives and took the easy and cowardly way out.

Suicide is not cool, you're right. But its the only reprieve of some. It starts with just sadness. Sadness that maybe you don't fit in, or that girl doesn't like you, or something else. Then it grows. You start looking at everything, and finding the bad in it. And dwelling on it.

The worst part? You look at it, and you know its happening. Maybe not for everyone, but at least for some. You know you are going down a horrible path, you know that there are others are happy, yet you can't do anything. Even though you know theres another way, you can't find anyway that seems like it would get you there.

I consider people emo who have some small amount of depression or sadness, and expound on it. In their clothing, in their music, their writing, etc. You can see emo people, because they don't try to fit in.

The really depressed people? The ones who try to fit in. The ones who are always at the back of the group of friends, or popular people. The ones who take the shit to try to be popular.

Emo people have it nice. They have some problems, but they aren't at a point where everything seems hopeless. They are trying things, extravagant things, to gain attention mostly. Their music, their clothes, their writings, their actions...

The people who commit suicide, you often don't expect it. You know why? Because they seem happy, they seem to fit in. Yet its never enough for them. It all feels so god damn hopeless. Whats the point? Every failure feels like a landslide, and every victory feels like a failure.

Suicide is a reprieve for the hopeless. There are exceptions, of course. I can only speak from personal reflection.

I guess because this is first of all about suicide, not emos...

It has gone on to be mostly about emos now.

Are you kidding? Of course suicide is cool. Why else would people be doing it all the time?

Are you kidding? Of course suicide is cool. Why else would people be doing it all the time?

Please...committing suicide is sooo last week. Murder's coming back in a big way! :D

This is targeted especially at the emos out there who cut their wrists and complain about their parents. I'm not saying that you don't have problems, but come on, suicide is for cowards. Instead of facing your problems, you take the easy way out, which hurts everyone around you more than you could possibly imagine. Also, rock stars who die young are not to be idolized, for they are not worthy role models. I remember my line of thinking when I was 13 or 14. OOOOhhhh, look at that Kurt Cobain, he had so many fans and he was so talented, and then he killed himself-how utterly cool!! Not. Someone who used heroin is not a good role model, and dying young is not cool at all. First of all, he suffered greatly, and he went through something that no one should ever go through, and secondly, society lost a valuable artist when he ended his life (but not that valuable, there are way better songwriters). In short, don't idolize rock stars who die young because of drug overdoses or suicide because those people wasted their lives and took the easy and cowardly way out.
Firstly, it's down the road, not across the street. Secondly, I'm a coward. Thirdly, I don't care about anyone but Liz and my pets, and the latter probably won't even realize I'm gone. And I don't get my ideas from the bands I listen to, unless they realize what they're talking about. For example: System Of A Down. Unlike all those "emo political" bands out there, they actually know what is going on in the news and world. And their opinions are rather educated. However, I won't do drugs/smoke/drink/kill myself just because one of their members did. That last one I'll do just because I want to. Second one I'd never do. Third one, vodka only. First one, light drugs only, like marijuana. And none of this would be done because the band members did it. Just because I want to for myself.

(Just a note before I begin: I'm not an emo.)

First, emos don't commit suicide, they just pretend to enjoy self-harm, because it's the style.

Second, suicide is not necessarily for cowards (look at the samurai), but most people who commit suicide/contemplate it (for example, me) hate themselves anyway, so they'd just agree with you.

Third, in the back of our heads, we know that others will miss us, but there are three things that keep that from preventing suicide:
One, it doesn't really register,
Two, we kind of want to hurt everyone,
Three, we think that those we leave behind will be better off without our bullshit.

Finally, on the note on Cobain and rock stars: It's better when an artist, or anyone, really, goes out in a blaze of glory (e.g., plane crash, suicide, murder)
then when they slowly fade away. People were meant to die young.

Finally, on the note on Cobain and rock stars: It's better when an artist, or anyone, really, goes out in a blaze of glory (e.g., plane crash, suicide, murder)
then when they slowly fade away. People were meant to die young. Bullshit. Johnny Cash delivered some of his greatest work just before he died, John Huston made "Prizzi's Honor" in his twilight years and Akira Kurosawa (a suicide survivor), made "Ran" in his when he was 75. This "blaze of glory" crap is ridiculous. I consider it a tragedy that we lost people as great as Hendrix, Cobain, Morrison, Buckley (both of em'), Lee (both of em') and Dean before their time.

He was a sick sick man.

The man kicked ass. Perhaps even literally.

Third, in the back of our heads, we know that others will miss us, but there are three things that keep that from preventing suicide:
One, it doesn't really register,
Two, we kind of want to hurt everyone,
Three, we think that those we leave behind will be better off without our bullshit.


True.

Someone wrote, pages back, that people end themselves because they're afraid to go on living. It's a common point of view, but in so many cases it doesn't apply. More often than not the people who wish to cease existence see no point in its continuation.

I've been dealing with bipolar more than half my life; I'm depressed more often than I'm up and when I'm down it feels like nothing changes. That it's one day after the next after the next, a constant struggle. At times like these I wonder what's the point in keeping on; I can't even remember times when it's not like that. I'm fortunate, though, in that I've got incredible medical and therapeutic support. Not everyone has. I'm also lucky in that mine is a mild version.

There have been people in my group therapy who haven't made it. There's one guy at the moment who I think is on the verge of ending. And, the common theme is apathetic despair... "what's the point?".

Lastly, when it comes to methods - pills are all very well, but there's the possibility your body will reject them. A way around that is to swig the pills down with alcohol while lying in an ice cold bath, or before walking into the ocean... by the time your body rejects the pills, you should have drowned, or hypothermia should have set in.

-- Lizzie, still here.

Bullshit. Johnny Cash delivered some of his greatest work just before he died, John Huston made "Prizzi's Honor" in his twilight years and Akira Kurosawa (a suicide survivor), made "Ran" in his when he was 75. This "blaze of glory" crap is ridiculous. I consider it a tragedy that we lost people as great as Hendrix, Cobain, Morrison, Buckley (both of em'), Lee (both of em') and Dean before their time.

Oh come on, Cobain doesn't really deserve 1/10 of the glory he currently has. The moron just got famous for killing himself and living in misery and being a fucking drug addict.

He should've cut his hair and gotten a real job. (I love that saying).

Oh come on, Cobain doesn't really deserve 1/10 of the glory he currently has. The moron just got famous for killing himself and living in misery and being a fucking drug addict.

He should've cut his hair and gotten a real job. (I love that saying). Well that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I personally think he was a great poet and an incredibly talented musician. But, each to their own. :)

What about suicide by voluntary hypothermia? Wouldn't that, technically, be cool?






Yeah, yeah, I know. Sorry.

Oh come on, Cobain doesn't really deserve 1/10 of the glory he currently has. The moron just got famous for killing himself and living in misery and being a fucking drug addict
That's true. The best thing that ever happened to Nirvana's popularity was Cobain's death.

And, if we're talking about methods, .45 through the forehead or throat/cerebellum.

That's true. The best thing that ever happened to Nirvana's popularity was Cobain's death.

And, if we're talking about methods, .45 through the forehead or throat/cerebellum.
Not the forehead. That leaves you in a chronic vegetative state. You wouldn't want legislators like Bill Frist trying to diagnose you from a distance or write laws about you, would you? Now I suppose if you wanted to seriously financially and psychically strap those you called family, a decerebration would do the trick. Watch out for those pervy night-shift orderlies, though. *shudder*

so are you against population control?

You wanna commit suicide???
Go hunting with Dick Chaney :p

Seriously though, if your at an all time low and you feel nothing is going for you, just remember there is only one way up from the bottem.. to the top :)

Bump... my last post was one I consider really profound, for me at least.... would like a few more people to see it.

I don't understand anyone who would think that suicide is cool.