NationStates Jolt Archive

Ok, I hate bush and everything he has done, as so does everyone, else I have talked to, basically. My friend told me Hillary, would make a great president, but the US, never has had a woman president, What you guys think about this, not saying, that she would even, run cause she has not declared intent to do this, just wondering, if anyone thing she would win if she, indeed run for president for 2008?

It is possible for a woman to be president. And I feel that someday there will be.

Ok, I have bush and everything he has done, as so does everyone, else I have talked to, basically. My friend told me Hillary, would make a great president, but the US, never has had a woman president, What you guys think about this, not saying, that she would even, run cause she has not declared intent to do this, just wondering, if anyone thing she would win if she, indeed run for president for 2008?
The way I see it, if Hilary was pres then every month she would do something irrational, but Bush does something irrational every day.

If Geena Davis can do it, anyone can.

Ok, I hate bush and everything he has done, as so does everyone, else I have talked to, basically. My friend told me Hillary, would make a great president, but the US, never has had a woman president, What you guys think about this, not saying, that she would even, run cause she has not declared intent to do this, just wondering, if anyone thing she would win if she, indeed run for president for 2008?

I don't care about the gender of a presidential candidate. I care about how I feel about them. Hillary, from everything I know, is a bitch. Way I see it, she wasted precious time and money on that bullshit Hot Coffee "scandal". She's hardly come across as a warm and helpful politician..though I'm not sure any of those exist.

yeah I bet a women could be president someday. But not Hillary.

A woman will be president, but Hilary? Maybe not...

Heh, clearly it will be me! ...in a long time...

Kuli, check your telegrams if you see this.

My friend told me Hillary, would make a great president,

Maybe your firiend lied is not fully versed in what kind of a President Hillary would make.

Will there ever be a woman President in the US. Yes, there will be. Will it be Hillary, I doubt it.

If other nations in the world can have female leaders and heads of state I see no reason why the States cannot. Nothing so special about the States that mean women cant be an effective leader.

I will make no comment about who should be the first female American President though.

Hmm.... And I have just remembered Britain's own first (and so far only) female leader... maybe you dont want a woman as president if Thatcher was any indicator of what she would be like.

Ok, I hate bush and everything he has done, as so does everyone, else I have talked to, basically. My friend told me Hillary, would make a great president, but the US, never has had a woman president, What you guys think about this, not saying, that she would even, run cause she has not declared intent to do this, just wondering, if anyone thing she would win if she, indeed run for president for 2008?
Hillary has been running for President since she met Slick Willie back in college. Does she have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected? Nope!

The way I see it, the only 'minorities' (minorities in the sense that they arnt White Protestants, like always) that have a chance at being President would be a Catholic or Jew. As I dont think [most] people care if someones Catholic/Jewish anymore.

I DONT think that America is ready for someone who isnt White or who isnt Male. That may sound bigoted, but I'm just saying what I think. I seriously doubt most of our country is ready for a Black President or a woman President.

Even I dont like either of them... and I am British and so have no direct interest... I would like to see a contest between Condeleeza and Hilary. Damn force the States to have their first female president.

Unless the electorate are bigoted enough to vote green simply because the major parties have female candidates.

Will we have a female president, yes.

Will it be Hillary, if theres a just and loving God, No.

Unless the electorate are bigoted enough to vote green simply because the major parties have female candidates.

Would it be that bad though, our country needs some new political blood in the spectrum, rather than the bichromatic rainbow that is american democracy

Hmm.... And I have just remembered Britain's own first (and so far only) female leader... maybe you dont want a woman as president if Thatcher was any indicator of what she would be like.
Thatcher was our first female prime minister, not first female leader.

Would it be that bad though, our country needs some new political blood in the spectrum, rather than the bichromatic rainbow that is american democracy

Well, a three party system would be better than a two party system, but is people simply voting green because they dont have a woman as their condidate (in that hypothetcal system) really an advance?

i would think that Hilary would be a great president. She knows all the responsibilities and watched her husband do it. She has done a great job. We need something new. i would also love to see a new party, hopefully that doesn't fit in the mold now. Both parties seem to be the same now.

Every single president we've ever had, ever, has been a white - usually christian - male.

I don't see this changing soon, unfortunately. Hillary is a bitch, so I hope if it does change, she won't be the one to do it.

I'd vote for a decent female candidate. You know, one who didn't have teeth in her vagina. :p

But I want to vote for a FUN Presidential candidate!

The first person to come out to a press conference stark raving naked and say, "I have nothing to hide." Gets my vote. :)

Ok, I hate bush and everything he has done, as so does everyone, else I have talked to, basically. My friend told me Hillary, would make a great president, but the US, never has had a woman president, What you guys think about this, not saying, that she would even, run cause she has not declared intent to do this, just wondering, if anyone thing she would win if she, indeed run for president for 2008?


NO to the Beast in 08

YES to a good woman who has her head on straight.

I don't see why not, idiotic and uninformed period jokes not withstanding. (If there was any truth to them we'd have had female Heads of State in other countries going berserk, not to mention our own Congresswomen and Senatoresses going berserk.)

(Yes, I did just randomly come up with those terms right know, fully knowing that neither one is actually used.)

I'd vote for a decent female candidate. You know, one who didn't have teeth in her vagina. :p

But I want to vote for a FUN Presidential candidate!

The first person to come out to a press conference stark raving naked and say, "I have nothing to hide." Gets my vote. :)
I'd do it.

I notice that many people here demand more from Hillary Clinton or any other female candidate than they would from any male candidate. Hillary may not be as nice as you like, but you don't get into such an office by being nice. The same was being said about Angela Merkel in Germany, and she became a good chancellor (compared to all the other possible conservative candidates, especially Stoiber - that's the bavarian prime minister who couldn't understand why the constitutional court would strike down a law that made crucifixes mandatory in all bavarian schools)

I seriously doubt America will have a female president. At least not for a very, very long time.

Saying there should be a female leader next time is just pointless, if she is the best person for the job then she should be elected but if there is a more suitable man then he should be.

Margaret Thatcher was elected by the woman in politics sympathisers and we've been regretting it since.

With so many women claiming the next president should be female, perhaps it would help if one of them actually tried instead of just whining about it.

the two most influential leaders of the UK in my lifetime have both been women. Queen Elizabeth II and Margaret Thatcher. there is no reason a women could not be preidet of the uS

Sure, a woman could be prez. I just don't want to see hitlery in office.

I DONT think that America is ready for someone who isnt White or who isnt Male. That may sound bigoted, but I'm just saying what I think. I seriously doubt most of our country is ready for a Black President or a woman President.
What about a black muslim woman?

Well, a three party system would be better than a two party system, but is people simply voting green because they dont have a woman as their condidate (in that hypothetcal system) really an advance?

To quote the great political philosopher Machiavelli "the ends justify the means."

I'd vote for a decent female candidate. You know, one who didn't have teeth in her vagina. :p

But I want to vote for a FUN Presidential candidate!

The first person to come out to a press conference stark raving naked and say, "I have nothing to hide." Gets my vote. :)

I am your man! Vote Mt-tau in 08'! :D

You know, women constitute a majority of the voting-age population in the United States. Especially among seniors, who vote the most, there is a noticeable majority of women.

Why have we never had a woman president in 80+ years of women's suffrage? Because females, who are the majority, dropped the ball on this one.

Yes, folks, I am blaming women for the fact that our country has never elected a woman president and will not do so anytime in the near future.:cool:



That'll get 'em riled up...

Not this generation.

well the democrats may nominate her and even may get her elected - i hope not - but her policies would further divide the nation and could lead to bloodletting - she is that divisive - she's as sleazy as any male politician and appears to be a sociopath

ymmv:sniper: :sniper: :sniper:

Hmm.... And I have just remembered Britain's own first (and so far only) female leader... maybe you dont want a woman as president if Thatcher was any indicator of what she would be like.

Thatcher did some good stuff, to be fair.

Not in our lifetime.

Too many He-Man Women Haters.

I don't mind Maggie, but then again, I'm über-Conservative. Oh yes, I put the umlaut in there to make it more authentic.

the two most influential leaders of the UK in my lifetime have both been women. Queen Elizabeth II and Margaret Thatcher. there is no reason a women could not be preidet of the uS

Maggie T came to power because the Tories came to power a a backlash to Labour maladminstration, just as TB came to power because of the backlash to Tory sleeze and Cameron will come to power as a back lash to New Labour faux politics. The American system is about individuals in a way that the British system is not (despite TBs attempts to make it so). British politics is much more tribal.

Ok, I hate bush and everything he has done, as so does everyone, else I have talked to, basically. My friend told me Hillary, would make a great president, but the US, never has had a woman president, What you guys think about this, not saying, that she would even, run cause she has not declared intent to do this, just wondering, if anyone thing she would win if she, indeed run for president for 2008?Of course not. If a woman runs for the US presidency, she's clearly a man, has a cock & a **** with fangs.

No one will even know what she stands for, as she'll have branded herself a two-faced she-male by the very act of announcing her candidacy.

Maggie T came to power because the Tories came to power a a backlash to Labour maladminstration, just as TB came to power because of the backlash to Tory sleeze and Cameron will come to power as a back lash to New Labour faux politics. The American system is about individuals in a way that the British system is not (despite TBs attempts to make it so). British politics is much more tribal.
Well, in 08 it's likely to be a backlash against GWB, and unless the future repub candidate starts breaking rank and criticising Bush, those close to him could be tarred by association.

Thatcher was our first female prime minister, not first female leader.

True, very true.

To quote the great political philosopher Machiavelli "the ends justify the means."

Well... he never actually said that. His theories could be said to boil down to that.

Though I would say he was more for "Certain ends can justify certain means".

Ok, I hate bush and everything he has done, as so does everyone, else I have talked to, basically. My friend told me Hillary, would make a great president, but the US, never has had a woman president, What you guys think about this, not saying, that she would even, run cause she has not declared intent to do this, just wondering, if anyone thing she would win if she, indeed run for president for 2008?
Screw Hillary. Vote Condeleeza Rice! No, honestly.

Acually, Hillary used to be the only Democrat I'd consider for a office. And now...I'm just so dissapointed in her. http://smilies.vidahost.com/cwm/3dlil/ugh.gif

I liked Maggie Thatcher, she knew what she wanted, faught till she got it,and wouldnt let random people dictate her power. No Bush's telling her what to do.

A female President is exactly what Amaica needs, let the rest of the world now that's it not all Bush and Blair over there!

Unfortunately, no. USA is far too conservative. But would make a welcome change to the crusty old white men brigade, lets all hope it happens.

Land of the imprisoned, home of the afraid.

Infact, I wonder if even there is yet an 'official' term for the partner of the female president?

One day there will be, eventually.

You know, women constitute a majority of the voting-age population in the United States. Especially among seniors, who vote the most, there is a noticeable majority of women.

Why have we never had a woman president in 80+ years of women's suffrage? Because females, who are the majority, dropped the ball on this one.

Yes, folks, I am blaming women for the fact that our country has never elected a woman president and will not do so anytime in the near future.:cool:



That'll get 'em riled up...

Speaking as a girl... I'll agree with that one. It's pathetic, really. I go to an all-girls' school, full of rich, pretentious, selfish, teenage (and my God, so #&$*^ PREPPY) girls. The school itself, the teachers and staff and whatnot, are obsessed with feminism and women's rights and so forth, so we get this kind of stuff shoved down our throat's very often. I'm all for a woman president. The guys haven't been doing too well lately, and a girl would be a nice change of pace, and maybe, just maybe will pull the stick a little farther out of America's arse. But the other girls--I have no idea why not, but they don't want a female president. They're drastically against the idea, in fact. I can't get a straight answer as to why, but the best I've been able to get so far is "Well, I just wouldn't feel safe, you know?" Which I take to mean, "Well, Daddy says we just wouldn't be safe, you know?" Best of all, these are all the girls who will be 18 in the '08 elections, the new batch of young voters to add to the pool. Are these all or even most of the girls in America? Hell, no. My school has maybe 250 students. Who they are are the daughters of the bussinessmen, the CEOs, the congressmen, the politicians, every person who has even the slightest bit of influence high up. They're the future trophy wives of men with even more money and power.

God help America. I'm not even Christian, but America needs all the help it can get. Good luck to the lot of ya, I'm shipping myself out to Ireland first chance I get.

I believe that Hillary is a follower and not a leader. After sept 11 (01), she quickly joined the tied that kept blaming Canada for the attacks (either she was gullible or conniving and I don't like it). As for a woman being a president, yes it's possible. I mean, look at the developing world for instance, Liberia has a female president, the Philippines has a female president. Look at Germany (developed); although the female that was elected is prime minister, it's still first for a female to be one. When electing a top official, people consider how smart they are (can they be rational) and you cannot exclude women out of this arena. Elected officials (under Democracy) don't get to fulfill all their policies because they also sometimes have to appease the opposition groups; they have to appease their constituents, who sometimes are not on the same track with the elected official.

Its not possible for a woman to be President. They are not phsyically strong enough to handle the job.

It is possible for a woman to be president. And I feel that someday there will be.
Yes.

I think we'll get an African-American man first...like Chris Rock for instance.

Well... he never actually said that. His theories could be said to boil down to that.

Though I would say he was more for "Certain ends can justify certain means".

yes, but why wouldn't a little disenfranchisement of women that helps the greater good be bad

Its not possible for a woman to be President. They are not phsyically strong enough to handle the job.

I don't know. Hillary is definitely much more of a cold logical man than I am.

There's no reason why a strong, intelligent, self-assured woman can't be president. Or a weak, not so bright, and overly-cocky one, too, if Bush makes a good indicator of the requirements.

Its not possible for a woman to be President. They are not phsyically strong enough to handle the job.

Is part of the job description benchpressing the secretary of state, or something?

Is part of the job description benchpressing the secretary of state, or something?

Hmm... new requirement, I think. The president must benchpress each member of his cabinet. It should also be televised.

Hillary, from everything I know, is a bitch.
I kind-of-like bitches, particularly those from Hell, but I think they make better secretaries. Also, if you have a Hillary as president and a woman secretary, doesn't that make Hillary a lesbian?

Its not possible for a woman to be President. They are not phsyically strong enough to handle the job.
You know 'bobo' means 'fool' in one language at least? Anyway, back to the subject, I agree.

Is part of the job description benchpressing the secretary of state, or something?
No, but ya know ya gotta have balls to be the commander-in-chief and lead a nation into war and I dont see how a woman can handle that.

Eventually it will happen. All we need is the right person to come around. Hillary is to divisive to really have a shot at it, but eventually there will be a woman president.

No, but ya know ya gotta have balls to be the commander-in-chief and lead a nation into war and I dont see how a woman can handle that.

a) I've seen plenty of strong, confident, capable women.
b) that has nothing to do with "physical strength".

If the United States continues to hold Presidential elections and does not bar women from running for the Presidency, then it is all but certain that the United States will have a woman President at some point in the future.*

Oh, and... *invokes Avatar of Dinaverg*

This is assuming that the woman can gain international acceptance as well. If the rest of the world doesn't respect the power and resolve of the United States because we have a woman President, it shouldn't ever take place. However, if a cold-hearted bitch comes along, who can also get the votes to gain the office, more power to her.

Yes. Because it's going to be me! Buahahaha.....

Er, no, I'm not a cold-hearted bitch....

Okay, more seriously, I think it will happen eventually. In our lifetime? Less certain, though probably.

This is assuming that the woman can gain international acceptance as well. If the rest of the world doesn't respect the power and resolve of the United States because we have a woman President, it shouldn't ever take place. However, if a cold-hearted bitch comes along, who can also get the votes to gain the office, more power to her.

A female president only if it makes the US more popular? How quaint.

I would vote for a female presidental canidate if I liked and shared her views and stances. However, there are still people in this country who don't want a female president for whatever reason.

A female president only if it makes the US more popular? How quaint.
Wow, did you read my post?
In case you didn't here it is

This is assuming that the woman can gain international acceptance as well. If the rest of the world doesn't respect the power and resolve of the United States because we have a woman President, it shouldn't ever take place. However, if a cold-hearted bitch comes along, who can also get the votes to gain the office, more power to her.

Nowhere in there did I mention anything about making the US more popular. But that'd be nice.

*prepares for anti-US flaming*

This is assuming that the woman can gain international acceptance as well. If the rest of the world doesn't respect the power and resolve of the United States because we have a woman President, it shouldn't ever take place. However, if a cold-hearted bitch comes along, who can also get the votes to gain the office, more power to her.
England had a female leader, as did India and does Germany, and others. And even if having a female leader is an issue in the future, those who don't respect her authority will just have to get used to it.

Wow, did you read my post?
In case you didn't here it is



Nowhere in there did I mention anything about making the US more popular. But that'd be nice.

*prepares for anti-US flaming*

You said a little something about international acceptance. To be honest, that's never stopped any presidents before.

England had a female leader, as did India and does Germany, and others. And even if having a female leader is an issue in the future, those who don't respect her authority will just have to get used to it.

*applauds. considers standing*

for the question about a female President... I turn to Robin Williams...
If women ran the world we wouldn't have wars, just intense negotiations every 28 days.

a) I've seen plenty of strong, confident, capable women.
b) that has nothing to do with "physical strength".
I dont know. I just dont trust a woman to keep me safe from America's enemies. Thats what I like about G.W. ya know, he's a man's man. he's the type of guy you can sit down with, have a beer, watch the game, and kick some ass.

England had a female leader, as did India and does Germany, and others. And even if having a female leader is an issue in the future, those who don't respect her authority will just have to get used to it.
Thatcher was a strong leader, so England didn't lose anything by having her as leader. If she was an American, she would have a legit shot at being the President.

And regarding those other countries, they don't exactly have the international spotlight on them as much as the US does in terms of international politics. I'm not trying to be arrogant, but realistic.

I dont know. I just dont trust a woman to keep me safe from America's enemies. Thats what I like about G.W. ya know, he's a man's man. he's the type of guy you can sit down with, have a beer, watch the game, and kick some ass.

Yeah, Bush is doing a rollicking job.

You said a little something about international acceptance. To be honest, that's never stopped any presidents before.
Your post said that I wanted a female President so that the US would be popular.

I never said that, I said that a female might not gain as much respect from other, less progressive countries. Believe it or not, the majority of the world is still run by men, and some of them would not respect the word of a woman as much as they would the word of a man. If the US had to talk tough to these countries, the fact that we have a female President could be a liability.

I dont know. I just dont trust a woman to keep me safe from America's enemies. Thats what I like about G.W. ya know, he's a man's man. he's the type of guy you can sit down with, have a beer, watch the game, and kick some ass.

Most empires need both expansion and domestic periods. Since he's turning it into an empire, we'll need a leader good at remaining domestic, so I don't see why you'd have a problem with a female leader if that's your only complaint...

Plus, since when does physical strength have anything to do with policy setters choosing whether or not to go to war?

Thatcher was a strong leader, so England didn't lose anything by having her as leader. If she was an American, she would have a legit shot at being the President.

And regarding those other countries, they don't exactly have the international spotlight on them as much as the US does in terms of international politics. I'm not trying to be arrogant, but realistic.
I'm not sure I fully understand your post. Thatcher was a strong leader, but it's a rarity to have a woman be a strong leader?

I dont know. I just dont trust a woman to keep me safe from America's enemies. Thats what I like about G.W. ya know, he's a man's man. he's the type of guy you can sit down with, have a beer, watch the game, and kick some ass.
And you don't notice people ignoring him when he makes a threat to do something.

bump

Elect anyone and anything who isn't a war-obsessed, bigoted chimpanzee considerably to the political right of Hitler.

Please. A bitch we can handle.

Please.

Elect anyone and anything who isn't a war-obsessed, bigoted chimpanzee considerably to the political right of Hitler.

Please. A bitch we can handle.

Please.

Vote for me!

er... wait... I'm not 35 yet....

Mom for President!
"What this country needs is a good spanking..." A genuine quote from Mom!
Her stance on healthcare: "Don't forget to eat your greens!"
On education: "Homework before TV!"

You should join The Procrastination Party.

You should join The Procrastination Party.

What?

What?

It's a new political party I'm gonna start.

Our stances: We'll tell you later
Ou Motto: "There's always a better tomorrow"

It's a new political party I'm gonna start.

Our stances: We'll tell you later
Ou Motto: "There's always a better tomorrow"

... o.O The problem is that with our politics today, that would actually work...

Realistically, I'd never join it. But it's a funny idea. Like Mom. You aren't as insane about the idea until you've made shirts for it and worn them around, tho! :p

... o.O The problem is that with our politics today, that would actually work...

Realistically, I'd never join it. But it's a funny idea. Like Mom. You aren't as insane about the idea until you've made shirts for it and worn them around, tho! :p

Fine, we don't need you. The Procrastination Party will forge on...later.

Fine, we don't need you. The Procrastination Party will forge on...later.

:p

probably

but not hitlery - she's really bad news

probably

but not hitlery - she's really bad news

Ouch! Does she really deserve that connotation, tho?

yes she does imnsho

remember the copresident health care fiasco?

gonna tell student if they could go to med school
and if allowed what they had to specialize in
and criminal penalties for second opinion

she's a marxist - hitlery is her name

yes she does imnsho

remember the copresident health care fiasco?

gonna tell student if they could go to med school
and if allowed what they had to specialize in
and criminal penalties for second opinion

she's a marxist - hitlery is her name

*scared* Uh... is that actually Marxism, though?

Hillary couldn't handle a presidency. Anyways, her big thing when her husband was prez was that she was gonna reform health care. She had 8 f*cking years. Eight years of not having to deal with presidential responsibilities. If she became prez, how could she handle a job when she had that long while doing nothing else?

Well, Hillary Clinton can probably be president. But a female president? I doubt it. Too many americans think that females can't rule correctly.

Well, Hillary Clinton can probably be president. But a female president? I doubt it. Too many americans think that females can't rule correctly.

So.... she's not female?

So.... she's not female?

Too evil to belong to either of the two sexes.

So.... she's not female?
Holy shit PAP, you got like, 300 posts in two days...

I dont know. I just dont trust a woman to keep me safe from America's enemies. Thats what I like about G.W. ya know, he's a man's man. he's the type of guy you can sit down with, have a beer, watch the game, and kick some ass.
Which is just great if you care about nothing but booze, sitting on the couch watching sports, and asserting some sort of macho, über-masculine, pseudo-tough standpoint to gain the "respect" of your fellow "man's man" types...