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So I was watching Hardball the other day, and they were talking about Hillary running in '08. I don't think she'll run, because let's face it, she's not a likeable person. She's ugly, and at first she was a left winger, but in recent months she tried to be more central so she can appeal to everybody, or the majority, thus alienating the leftist vote. Plus, she seem to be wearing a fake smile when the cameras are on. I bet yall $5 that her on camera and off camera personality are polar opposite of one another. Also, apparently I'm not the only one who feel like that Hillary has a snowball chance in Hell in winning the Dems. ticket for '08. So what do yall think?

So I was watching Hardball the other day, and they were talking about Hillary running in '08. I don't think she'll run, because let's face it, she's not a likeable person. She's ugly, and at first she was a left winger, but in recent months she tried to be more central so she can appeal to everybody, or the majority, thus alienating the leftist vote. Plus, she seem to be wearing a fake smile when the cameras are on. I bet yall $5 that her on camera and off camera personality are polar opposite of one another. Also, apparently I'm not the only one who feel like that Hillary has a snowball chance in Hell in winning the Dems. ticket for '08. So what do yall think?

We don't call her "The BEAST" for nothing.

Wants us to drive 55-the worst one them all!

People are already decided about how they feel about her and that is unlikely to change. It wouldn't be the smartest thing to run her for president.

We don't call her "The BEAST" for nothing.

Wants us to drive 55-the worst one them all!
Should I feel stupid for not understanding either of these statements?

Should I feel stupid for not understanding either of these statements?

She recently came up with a proposal to reduce the national speed limit back to 55 mph, in order to conserve gas. The problem is, if people wanted to conserve gas, they'd already be driving 55. Reducing the speed limit will do nothing except make more people into speeders.

So I was watching Hardball the other day, and they were talking about Hillary running in '08. I don't think she'll run, because let's face it, she's not a likeable person. She's ugly, and at first she was a left winger, but in recent months she tried to be more central so she can appeal to everybody, or the majority, thus alienating the leftist vote. Plus, she seem to be wearing a fake smile when the cameras are on. I bet yall $5 that her on camera and off camera personality are polar opposite of one another. Also, apparently I'm not the only one who feel like that Hillary has a snowball chance in Hell in winning the Dems. ticket for '08. So what do yall think?

She doesn't have a snow balls chance in hell of winning the Dem. Ticket. She is a walking contradiction.

I hope she runs, and wins, mostly so the chronology of Presidents can read Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton-Bush*




*Jeb, maybe?

All of this 'pre-running' against Hillary that the conservatives have been doing, because seriously-I've heard WAY more noise about her running from conservatives than I have of liberals who have other candidates, kinda makes me intrigued about her. You guys must be really afraid of her to be this worked up.

Something to remember about Hardball--for some reason, and nobody knows quite why, Chris Matthews hates the Clintons, and Hillary especially, so you have to factor that in whenever you talk about that show.

As for '08--I have no doubt that she'll seek the Democratic nomination. At this point, she almost has to. She's getting too old to screw around and wait for another shot later, and she'll never have this level of potential politically speaking again. The storyline almost writes itself--"remember the last time we had a Clinton in the White House? You'll get the same results, and no sex scandal!"

Her problem will be getting the Democratic nomination. The grassroots hates her, because she represents everything we've come to loathe in the party--corporatism, triangulation, and the odd desire to move to the social right. Maybe I'm optimistic, but I see her as Joe Lieberman in 2002--the frontrunner only because few people are paying attention.

So I was watching Hardball the other day, and they were talking about Hillary running in '08. I don't think she'll run, because let's face it, she's not a likeable person. She's ugly, and at first she was a left winger, but in recent months she tried to be more central so she can appeal to everybody, or the majority, thus alienating the leftist vote. Plus, she seem to be wearing a fake smile when the cameras are on. I bet yall $5 that her on camera and off camera personality are polar opposite of one another. Also, apparently I'm not the only one who feel like that Hillary has a snowball chance in Hell in winning the Dems. ticket for '08. So what do yall think?
Ever seen Margaret Thatcher?

I highly doubt that if she runs, she'll win. When a current Democrat gives speeches on "family values", while having a history of being a Republican, and has been accused of taking contradictory viewpoints, there's hardly a chance that either party will promote her.

Her attempt of pleasing both sides is good, but when she tries to take the place of a "radical" in two completely different things, there's no way it'll work

I highly doubt that if she runs, she'll win. When a current Democrat gives speeches on "family values", while having a history of being a Republican, and has been accused of taking contradictory viewpoints, there's hardly a chance that either party will promote her.

Her attempt of pleasing both sides is good, but when she tries to take the place of a "radical" in two completely different things, there's no way it'll work

Two things:

Firstly, don't fuck around with the fonts.
Secondly, she's doing exactly what her husband did fourteen years ago, to garner the middle ground. Who knows, maybe it'll work.

Two things:

Firstly, don't fuck around with the fonts.
Secondly, she's doing exactly what her husabdn did fourteen years ago, to garner the middle ground. Who knows, maybe it'll work.

Doubtful that it will work this time.

I hope she runs, and wins, mostly so the chronology of Presidents can read Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton-Bush*




*Jeb, maybe?

George W. Bush is going to go down in history as one of the all time worst presidents of all time. His approval ratings are lower than Mariana's Trench is below sea level. If you think Jeb can seperate himself from that, he might stand enough of a chance, but he'd have to disown his brother.

Sorry, little off topic, but had to be said.

George W. Bush is going to go down in history as one of the all time worst presidents of all time. His approval ratings are lower than Mariana's Trench is below sea level. If you think Jeb can seperate himself from that, he might stand enough of a chance, but he'd have to disown his brother.

Sorry, little off topic, but had to be said.

Oh brother. He's actually going to be known as an average president.

Anyway....Hillary is going nowhere.

George W. Bush is going to go down in history as one of the all time worst presidents of all time. His approval ratings are lower than Mariana's Trench is below sea level. If you think Jeb can seperate himself from that, he might stand enough of a chance, but he'd have to disown his brother.

Sorry, little off topic, but had to be said.
You overestimate the American voter.

I read an article in Time about Clinton and McCain. It said that Clinton would be more likely to get her party's nomination than McCain, but if they both got nominated, McCain would probably win.

I read an article in Time about Clinton and McCain. It said that Clinton would be more likely to get her party's nomination than McCain, but if they both got nominated, McCain would probably win.
McCain will never get nominated, though that psychopath Manchurian candidate wwould probably win.

Two things:

Firstly, don't fuck around with the fonts.
Secondly, she's doing exactly what her husband did fourteen years ago, to garner the middle ground. Who knows, maybe it'll work.
Exactly: the "middle grounds" is where many politicians have been elected. But, my point was that Mrs. Clinton is not taking a moderate position in either [or both] party [ or parties]. She is taking a more radical point of view in each conflicting party, so that neither party has a reason to support her.

[exaggerated example]
Not only because the Democrats wouldn't elect Michael Moore, but because they also wouldn't elect Bill O'Riley.
[/exaggerated example]

I hope to hell she doesn't get the nomination (I'm a fan of Feingold, personally), but I get the sinking feeling that she will.

I do not want Hillary to be nominated, simply because the '08 election will most likely go to the Democrats, and I don't want that...thing...in the oval office. Yay McCain.

I despise Hillary and I severely distrust McCain, but my vote will be for McCain if he gets the nomination.

Come on now.. Hillary isn't that ugly.. at least compared to other female politicians. She's near-attractive standing next to Nancy Pelosi.

In any case, whoever the Democrat nominee is, they'll only get steamrolled by Jeb in the end anyway, ugly or not.

I for one hope Hillary Clinton wins.... she will never be elected presidedent and that means another Republican as President. That will be a blessing. Anyway McCain is terrible I am ashamed to call him a fellow Republican. My prediction for 08' will be Senator George Allen. Conservatives love the man.

I read an article in Time about Clinton and McCain. It said that Clinton would be more likely to get her party's nomination than McCain, but if they both got nominated, McCain would probably win.
Why would the Republicans not nominate a guy who was a guaranteed winner for them?

Probably because he's not as conservative as Americans are?

Frankly, the Republican party leadership needs to be purged. They've betrayed True conservatism.

Probably because he's not as conservative as Americans are?

Frankly, the Republican party leadership needs to be purged. They've betrayed True conservatism.

At least some of them but frankly....no one needs to be "purged"

Probably because he's not as conservative as Americans are?

Frankly, the Republican party leadership needs to be purged. They've betrayed True conservatism.
I would greatly appreciate it if you told me what "true" conservatism is. I hear many people saying that the republicans have betrayed it, and I would like to know exactly where they're coming from. Thanks.

At least some of them but frankly....no one needs to be "purged"
Liquidated then?:p

Liquidated then?:p

That would violate my Christian Beliefs :p

I don't think Hillary will get the ticket. She has not Charisma. Bill did, and that why he got elected twice. McCain won't get the Republican ticket either. Remember that deal he cuts with the Democrat on Bush's judical nomination? His opponents for the Republican ticket are going to take that and beat him to death with it. Jeb Bush won't get it either, basically because well, his brother screwed up that chance. For the Republican they'll want someone like Ronald Reagan or someone that is close to the ideology that Ronnie had.

That would violate my Christian Beliefs :p
Yeah, that would actually violate my Atheist Beliefs. ;)

I support her and I hope she runs in '08. All of these ignorant people with limited knowledge of policy who complain she is "two faced" and pandering to both sides of issues are ridiculous. Lets just hope the Democrats don't screw it up this time, I mean, with the state of things today they are almost guaranteed a win.

I support her and I hope she runs in '08. All of these ignorant people with limited knowledge of policy who complain she is "two faced" and pandering to both sides of issues are ridiculous. Lets just hope the Democrats don't screw it up this time, I mean, with the state of things today they are almost guaranteed a win.

That what they said in '04 too. You're forgetting that you won't be running against Bush in '08, but a completely diffrent person.

True conservatism? Small government, free-enterprise. I.E. Not catering to special interests groups of any kind. That's the basic jist of it.

I support her and I hope she runs in '08. All of these ignorant people with limited knowledge of policy who complain she is "two faced" and pandering to both sides of issues are ridiculous. Lets just hope the Democrats don't screw it up this time, I mean, with the state of things today they are almost guaranteed a win.

How is it rediculous when it is true that she is a two faced individual?

True conservatism? Small government, free-enterprise. I.E. Not catering to special interests groups of any kind. That's the basic jist of it.
So, basically, looking after people's money in a wise fashion?

So, basically, looking after people's money in a wise fashion?

exactly. The Neo-Cons borrow and spend. The Dems tax and spend.

i am not so sure how much longer the united states is going to stay united. so even if she did run and win i dont believe she would be the leader of "the" united states of america. but rather the part of it that voted her in. seriosly the united states is almost too diverse from coast to coast region to region. and all super powers have to end some day.

exactly. The Neo-Cons borrow and spend. The Dems tax and spend.
Better to have less money than to owe money to foreign bankers I say.

That what they said in '04 too. You're forgetting that you won't be running against Bush in '08, but a completely diffrent person.


Exactly why the Dems have the upper hand this time. The GOP does not have any viable candidates to date. Besides, the Republicans are imploding as we speak, and people are tired of all of the Big Government policies they have enacted since 2001. Its funny because Republicans are always touting "smaller government".

The only Republican I would even consider voting for would be Rudy Giuliani.

Exactly why the Dems have the upper hand this time. The GOP does not have any viable candidates to date. Besides, the Republicans are imploding as we speak, and people are tired of all of the Big Government policies they have enacted since 2001. Its funny because Republicans are always touting "smaller government".

The only Republican I would even consider voting for would be Rudy Giuliani.

You forgot one thing. The Dems don't have a Viable candidate either.

You forgot one thing. The Dems don't have a Viable candidate either.
Wesley Clark.

Wesley Clark.

They guy who was sacked from his NATO position? Please... the military would turn out in droves and defeat this guy not to mention he has so much dirt on him because of his reputation that it would be impossible for him to run as a viable candidate.

Exactly why the Dems have the upper hand this time. The GOP does not have any viable candidates to date. Besides, the Republicans are imploding as we speak, and people are tired of all of the Big Government policies they have enacted since 2001. Its funny because Republicans are always touting "smaller government".

The only Republican I would even consider voting for would be Rudy Giuliani.

If Rudy does not run, then there will be no hope in the future of the United States and we will once again have to choose from a lesser of two evils, and once again be ruled by our "inferiors," as Plato put it.

Buddha opened his eyes and saw his 99,000 incarnations about him... He turned to the future and squinted in distaste upon seeing:

Jeb defeats Hilary in '08; even today, in '06, Jeb has already been "elected" by the same receipt-less electronic voting machines that gave W his 2nd term. Now what are you going do? Anything about that?

The Dems will feign fake progressive-egalitarianism by offering up the sacrificial lamb. It's 8 more years of Bush, folks, (providing the whole sham of the US gov lasts that long).

Don't just take my word for it~~buddha saw it! Open your buddha-eye, you can see it, too!

Buddha opened his eyes and saw his 99,000 incarnations about him... He turned to the future and squinted in distaste upon seeing:

Jeb defeats Hilary in '08; even today, in '06, Jeb has already been "elected" by the same receipt-less electronic voting machines that gave W his 2nd term. Now what are you going do? Anything about that?

The Dems will feign fake progressive-egalitarianism by offering up the sacrificial lamb. It's 8 more years of Bush, folks, (providing the whole sham of the US gov lasts that long).

Don't just take my word for it~~buddha saw it! Open your buddha-eye, you can see it, too!

I can't follow your train of thought here...

I want a choice .... Hillary is not a choice ..think about it for two seconds...

Ummm ...what qualifies her for President ?
what office has she held and for how long ?
and not for nothing ...did you ever get a look at monica ?

WTF ?

How is it rediculous when it is true that she is a two faced individual?

Well give us some REAL examples, not just bullshit high school popularity attitude.:rolleyes:

True conservatism? Small government, free-enterprise. I.E. Not catering to special interests groups of any kind. That's the basic jist of it.

And your beloved GOP has failed over and over to live up to these "ideals". Time to sweep them out of the Capitol and the White House.

I want a choice .... Hillary is not a choice ..think about it for two seconds...

Ummm ...what qualifies her for President ?
what office has she held and for how long ?
and not for nothing ...did you ever get a look at monica ?

WTF ?

You could have asked the same of George Bush when you idiots elected him. Here would be your responses:

Well, after bankrupting every company he ran (Arbusto, Spectrum 7) not much. Look around or pick up a newspaper sometime and you can see the evidence as clear as day.

Was elected governor of Texas with his fathers help and with substantial vote buying. wow, big man... Not to mention changing most environmental laws in Texas in favor of the oil and energy lobby, making Texas the most polluted state in the US. (WOW, worse than NJ? YES.) Turned Texas Prisons Death Row into a conveyor belt, executing the most prisoners in the history of the state and the country. What a legacy.:rolleyes:

Did you ever get a look at his two ugly daughters??? Woof.

You could have asked the same of George Bush when you idiots elected him.

Now, now. "We" didn't elect him; he stole it; twice. Just like his brother will do in the next two "elections". Democracy is dead in America, folks. Its hijacking in the States also has ripple effects all around the world. Months after Bush seized power, Mugabwe in Zimbabwe started a new political purge and Madagascar slipped into civil war. Even here in Taiwan, where democracy is new, fresh, and vital, the corrupt-totalitarian influences of the US "government-junta" are having an eroding effect upon the effectiveness of President Chen's administration as it tries to fend off the resurgent, corrupt-totalitarian Chinese Nationalist Party which oppressed this island under 40 years of martial law until won Chen in 2000. (How shitty for Taiwanese people that their "best friend" America is cozying up to their enemy, the Chinese Communist Party, and their emeny's agents in their own country.) Hilary Clinton may be the first female candidate, but she has already lost to the next installment of the Bush family mafia, and mf, they are super-organized criminals.

Now I'm not American but i am a gamer. My question/point is doesnt she support Jack Thompson?

I want a choice .... Hillary is not a choice ..think about it for two seconds...

Ummm ...what qualifies her for President ?
what office has she held and for how long ?
and not for nothing ...did you ever get a look at monica ?

WTF ?


1. She has over 20 years of experience in politics, aside from being highly educated.
2. She currently holds political office. Senator, I believe?
Since the last Senatorial election in New York.

Shes as qualified as any.
However, she wont run.
She wont run becuase she knows she cant win.

She cant win becuase she is a woman.

Now, now. "We" didn't elect him; he stole it; twice. Just like his brother will do in the next two "elections". Democracy is dead in America, folks. Its hijacking in the States also has ripple effects all around the world. Months after Bush seized power, Mugabwe in Zimbabwe started a new political purge and Madagascar slipped into civil war. Even here in Taiwan, where democracy is new, fresh, and vital, the corrupt-totalitarian influences of the US "government-junta" are having an eroding effect upon the effectiveness of President Chen's administration as it tries to fend off the resurgent, corrupt-totalitarian Chinese Nationalist Party which oppressed this island under 40 years of martial law until won Chen in 2000. (How shitty for Taiwanese people that their "best friend" America is cozying up to their enemy, the Chinese Communist Party, and their emeny's agents in their own country.) Hilary Clinton may be the first female candidate, but she has already lost to the next installment of the Bush family mafia, and mf, they are super-organized criminals.

Instead of "Thankyou for supporting us, America" we get the above slander.. Yet if the US decided "let's just let China and Taiwan" work it out, we would be verbally attacked for letting Taiwan slip under control of communist China. Sounds like a lose-lose to me. If the US helps Taiwan, they are "bad guys for throwing influence around" and if we dont help Taiwan, we are "bad guys for not being influential enough"..... typical.

My main concern with Hillary Clinton right now is that she is not established enough. Taking all politics out of it, she hasn't done that much as a Senator (which really isnt all her fault, she has had limited time). I would like to see her as a Senator for another full term, to see what she can accomplish as a Senator. Then we will be able to focus on her political views and achievements, which at this point = 0.

My main concern with Hillary Clinton right now is that she is not established enough. Taking all politics out of it, she hasn't done that much as a Senator (which really isnt all her fault, she has had limited time). I would like to see her as a Senator for another full term, to see what she can accomplish as a Senator. Then we will be able to focus on her political views and achievements, which at this point = 0.

Now, now. "We" didn't elect him; he stole it; twice. Just like his brother will do in the next two "elections".

Oh this is crap and we all know it. :rolleyes:

Jeb Bush can't possibly win 2008 - not even the Republicans want him. It looks as if the Republican voters are divided between Giuliani from the center of US politics, McCain from the center of the Republican Party, and Rice as the most popular possible Bush heir. I guess the two others will first dispose of Giuliani and then campaign against each other with the winner coming out damaged while the Democrat primaries will be an easy task for Clinton.

1. She has over 20 years of experience in politics, aside from being highly educated.
2. She currently holds political office. Senator, I believe?
Since the last Senatorial election in New York.

Shes as qualified as any.
However, she wont run.
She wont run becuase she knows she cant win.

She cant win becuase she is a woman.

Now that's a bunch of BS. She can't win because she's 2 face, have no Charisma (sorry, but in the Presidental game you gotta have that), and she can't decide if she's a leftist or centerist. Also, it's no secret that she doesn't support the militatry, and the majority of Americans do, so that'll also cost her. So to say that she won't win because she's a woman is a bunch of bull and you know it.

And your beloved GOP...

STFU with the jabs.

...has failed over and over to live up to these "ideals".

They have failed.

Ah, you put ideals in quotes. That means its sarcastic. This means that you want the government to be a complete police state, sticking their noses into everything. You also want the free market gone, aiding the police state. You also want special interest groups to control that police state.

Time to sweep them out of the Capitol and the White House.

White House? Most definitely. Capitol? No. I want their majority to be contested, possibly lost, but their presense must not be cut so much as to give the Democrats a free reign. For all the years the REpublicans were in the minority, the democrats have never "reached across the isle" to the Republicans. The idealougy the Dems hold to will screw this nation in the butt, because they know it doesn't work, yet they want to force it on us, anyways, only so they can keep a hold of power.

The only reason, though, mind you, that I don't want the GOP out of the capitol is simply to provide a barrier to the Democratic Party. The only reason.

The only reason, though, mind you, that I don't want the GOP out of the capitol is simply to provide a barrier to the Democratic Party. The only reason.

Is third party really so terrible?

So what do yall think?

She might win the nomination but I doubt she will win the election.

So I was watching Hardball the other day, and they were talking about Hillary running in '08. I don't think she'll run, because let's face it, she's not a likeable person. She's ugly, and at first she was a left winger, but in recent months she tried to be more central so she can appeal to everybody, or the majority, thus alienating the leftist vote. Plus, she seem to be wearing a fake smile when the cameras are on. I bet yall $5 that her on camera and off camera personality are polar opposite of one another. Also, apparently I'm not the only one who feel like that Hillary has a snowball chance in Hell in winning the Dems. ticket for '08. So what do yall think?
I think that if the Dems select her as their candiate, the Reps will win.

Is third party really so terrible?

Not at all. I've often advocated the dissolution of the two-party system. However, the third party will get you nowhere, as it cannot succeed in this establishment.

All of this 'pre-running' against Hillary that the conservatives have been doing, because seriously-I've heard WAY more noise about her running from conservatives than I have of liberals who have other candidates, kinda makes me intrigued about her. You guys must be really afraid of her to be this worked up.

She wants us to turn in our guns
She wants us to depend on her
She wants us to go Baaaah!
She wants us to stop driving SUVs
She wants us to become a nation of neutered men

I could go on.

I think that if the Dems select her as their candiate, the Reps will win.

Republicans are in touble. It is time to elect an Independant or possibly a Libetarian.

Not at all. I've often advocated the dissolution of the two-party system. However, the third party will get you nowhere, as it cannot succeed in this establishment.

If everyone who felt that way voted for a third party we would have one. The Dems and Repubs want you to beleive that myth so they can preserve the status quo and keep their jobs. :(

If everyone who felt that way voted for a third party we would have one. The Dems and Repubs want you to beleive that myth so they can preserve the status quo and keep their jobs. :(

Point. Regardless, I'm not old enough to vote anyways, so for me, the point is moot. :\

Ah, you put ideals in quotes. That means its sarcastic. This means that you want the government to be a complete police state, sticking their noses into everything. You also want the free market gone, aiding the police state. You also want special interest groups to control that police state.

Wow, you must be mentally challenged, I pity you. I think you have me confused with a Republican, because those things are exactly what the GOP have been doing for years. Wake up dumbass:rolleyes:

Point. Regardless, I'm not old enough to vote anyways, so for me, the point is moot. :\.

Then why don't you wait until you are a big boy/girl, and get an education before you open your ignorant mouth to talk about issues you know nothing about. Then, Thank your mommy and daddy for ruining our country, OK?:mad:

Wow, you must be mentally challenged, I pity you. I think you have me confused with a Republican, because those things are exactly what the GOP have been doing for years. Wake up dumbass:rolleyes:

Ya know...it isn't polite to call people names in a debate for it detracts from your point.

Then why don't you wait until you are a big boy/girl, and get an education before you open your ignorant mouth to talk about issues you know nothing about. Then, Thank your mommy and daddy for ruining our country, OK?:mad:

You tell him to grow up but apparently he is acting more mature than you are.

All of this 'pre-running' against Hillary that the conservatives have been doing, because seriously-I've heard WAY more noise about her running from conservatives than I have of liberals who have other candidates, kinda makes me intrigued about her. You guys must be really afraid of her to be this worked up.
Republicans pray to god every night that Hillary will run for president. Hardcore dems will vote for her, but Republicans won't, and the independents by and large will vote against her. Selecting Hillary in the primaries would be suicide for the Democrat party and for America. It would ensure continued Republican control of the government.

So I was watching Hardball the other day, and they were talking about Hillary running in '08. I don't think she'll run, because let's face it, she's not a likeable person. She's ugly, and at first she was a left winger, but in recent months she tried to be more central so she can appeal to everybody, or the majority, thus alienating the leftist vote. Plus, she seem to be wearing a fake smile when the cameras are on. I bet yall $5 that her on camera and off camera personality are polar opposite of one another. Also, apparently I'm not the only one who feel like that Hillary has a snowball chance in Hell in winning the Dems. ticket for '08. So what do yall think?
Ladies and gentlemen, I do believe that's the fastest self-invalidation of a post I've ever seen -- and in NS General, that is a notable accomplishment.

"She's ugly"?!? I realize this became something of a factor in elections once television became a player, but really, have you SEEN some of our politicians?

Two things:

Firstly, don't fuck around with the fonts.
Secondly, she's doing exactly what her husband did fourteen years ago, to garner the middle ground. Who knows, maybe it'll work.

Secondly, very good point.

Firstly, you sabotaged your good points by making a pissy little statement like this. Changing the font is an option built into the post screen. What's your problem with it? And if it is only your problem (cause I don't care what font someone posts in), surely you can keep it to yourself.

George W. Bush is going to go down in history as one of the all time worst presidents of all time. His approval ratings are lower than Mariana's Trench is below sea level. If you think Jeb can seperate himself from that, he might stand enough of a chance, but he'd have to disown his brother.

Sorry, little off topic, but had to be said.
No, it didn't.

And the trench doesn't belong to Mariana. It's the Marianas Trench.

EDIT: Besides, Jeb won't need to separate himself from W. Just like last time, a Republican in Democratic clothing will win and probably hang on for 8 years, in which time, just like the last Bush succession (in 2000), the electorate will have forgotten...*sigh*

This goverment is so messed up, I'd vote for a commi or even fascsist over the Dems and Reps.
Wouldn't like it, however, I'm a Soc.

Oh this is crap and we all know it. :rolleyes:
Stop using the "we" like you speak for all of us. 57,000 illegally purged Florida voters from the rolls in 2000 -- thank you Choice Point DBT. "We" don't all "know" what you claim to know. YOU do.:rolleyes:

Stop using the "we" like you speak for all of us. 57,000 illegally purged Florida voters from the rolls in 2000 -- thank you Choice Point DBT. "We" don't all "know" what you claim to know. YOU do.:rolleyes:

Just continue to tell yourself that He stole the elections despite the fact that he didn't.

Sevenglasses']Jeb Bush can't possibly win 2008 - not even the Republicans want him. It looks as if the Republican voters are divided between Giuliani from the center of US politics, McCain from the center of the Republican Party, and Rice as the most popular possible Bush heir. I guess the two others will first dispose of Giuliani and then campaign against each other with the winner coming out damaged while the Democrat primaries will be an easy task for Clinton.
A black woman? In THIS country? You've lost your mind. Even if she could rub the Bush scent off her enough to win the full support of all Blacks and all women, the odds against Condi being president would be astronomical.

I say kill Bush. A fast coup would bering this nation up to it's former glory in no time at all.

Just continue to tell yourself that He stole the elections despite the fact that he didn't.
I take it your a trator to the people like Bush?

STFU with the jabs.
*snip*
Oh, please. Your posts are chock full of jabs. You clothe them in attempted rhetoric, but a jab is a jab, so please, if you can't take one, get out of the ring.:rolleyes:

I say kill Bush. A fast coup would bering this nation up to it's former glory in no time at all.

The military won't do it and advocating the death of the President says alot about your character.

Not at all. I've often advocated the dissolution of the two-party system. However, the third party will get you nowhere, as it cannot succeed in this establishment.
So of course, that's the reason to give up on one, right? Nobody in America ever won anything by giving up. There's no such thing as throwing your vote away -- if you vote, you've spoken your political mind. You honestly think there won't be a rising tide of dissatisfaction with BOTH parties enough to eventually make a third viable? Might it also be in the two parties' best interest to do all they can to quell the rising of a third or fourth? Bet on it. So then what's the solution? Continued cronyism, graft and corruption on both sides of the aisle? Are we to assume that's just the way it is? I'm just dumb enough to think that Jefferson was right when he advocated revolution more often than every 230 years, and while a third party might not equal a full-on revolution, it would be a damn sight better than continuing to feed this bloated two-headed beast.

She wants us to turn in our guns
She wants us to depend on her
She wants us to go Baaaah!
She wants us to stop driving SUVs
She wants us to become a nation of neutered men

I could go on.
And Bush doesn't have similar, opposing traits?

He wants us to turn in our privacy
He wants us to do his work for him (especially soldiers)
He wants us to go baaaaaa!
He wants us to ignore reality
He wants us to become a nation of stunted machismohloics

I could go on, too, but there's not much point. It's party-line hack boilerplate in supposed opposition.

Probably because he's not as conservative as Americans are?

Frankly, the Republican party leadership needs to be purged. They've betrayed True conservatism.

Amen to that. The best thing about the Bush administration is that it prevented Kerry from getting in the Oval Office. Bush's penchant for cronyism has caused great damage on many different fronts.

And Bush doesn't have similar, opposing traits?

He wants us to turn in our privacy

No he doesn't.

He wants us to do his work for him (especially soldiers)

:rolleyes:

He wants us to go baaaaaa!

What the?

He wants us to ignore reality

Dies of laughter. Only ones ignoring reality is the left wing portion of the Democratic Party.

He wants us to become a nation of stunted machismohloics

oh brother.

I could go on, too, but there's not much point. It's party-line hack boilerplate in supposed opposition.

Just like this is a party hack post for it is in nowhere near reality.

Wow, you must be mentally challenged, I pity you. I think you have me confused with a Republican, because those things are exactly what the GOP have been doing for years. Wake up dumbass:rolleyes:



Then why don't you wait until you are a big boy/girl, and get an education before you open your ignorant mouth to talk about issues you know nothing about. Then, Thank your mommy and daddy for ruining our country, OK?:mad:
PLEASE DO NOT FLAME. I don't agree with him either, but that's no reason to outright insult him. Like Plato implied: each idea is a vessel (like an amphora) and debate tests it to see if it holds water (hence the phrase). If it cannot, the idea deserves the criticism, not the potter.

Just continue to tell yourself that He stole the elections despite the fact that he didn't.
The difference is, I have evidence, you have hubris.

I say kill Bush. A fast coup would bering this nation up to it's former glory in no time at all.
:rolleyes: Please. This isn't the Philippines.

The difference is, I have evidence, you have hubris.

Problem is...if the evidence is compelling then it would be out in the media and it would have been effective in 2004. Problem is....the evidence was not that compelling and it fell on flat ears.

No he doesn't.



:rolleyes:



What the?



Dies of laughter. Only ones ignoring reality is the left wing portion of the Democratic Party.



oh brother.



Just like this is a party hack post for it is in nowhere near reality.
And once again, Corny, you make my point for me. Let me say this clearly: BOTH, repeat, BOTH parties have their heads so far up their alimentary canals that they can see daylight when they yawn. I just produced the Liberal boilerplate response to the Conservative boilerplate post. You merely accented the latter.

And once again, Corny, you make my point for me. Let me say this clearly: BOTH, repeat, BOTH parties have their heads so far up their alimentary canals that they can see daylight when they yawn. I just produced the Liberal boilerplate response to the Conservative boilerplate post. You merely accented the latter.

Sorry dude but I do not go around spreading conspiracies like you are doing.

No he doesn't.
Now THERE's a compelling argument. Last time I heard it, I believe it was used to counter a charge of "cooties".



:rolleyes:

When that's all you've got...

What the?

...then this makes sense, too.

Dies of laughter. Only ones ignoring reality is the left wing portion of the Democratic Party.

Yes, Peak Oil, pollution, gas prices, democracy at gunpoint -- all of it utterly ignored. It's what your man does best.

oh brother.

Look, I'll try to explain this one more time. "Machismoholics" was just my way of countering the charge that Liberals want all men emasculated. It's just as stupid and just as wrong. Seriously, is rhetoric lost on you or are you deliberately misreading?


Just like this is a party hack post for it is in nowhere near reality.
Which was, I'll say it again, my whole point.

*snip*

I'll stick with reality and not conspiracies. You can stick with te conspiracies if ya like.

Sorry dude but I do not go around spreading conspiracies like you are doing.
Let's see. There's an actual record of the 57,000 purged voters from the Florida rolls. There's a record of Katherine Harris purging them on the authority of Jeb Bush. Those people had their right to vote reinstated by the states of their former residence, but that wasn't good enough for Florida.

Funny how it's only a conspiracy when it's not in your favor (or do you not recall the "cast right-wing conspiracy" charge levelled by ol' Hillary?).

Greg Palast
Kevin Phillips
Lou DuBose
Molly Ivins

All authors who I'm sure are on the Conservative burn list, but all of whom found the same evidence with only cursory searches. This story WAS in the public eye, but the public chose to ignore it and it was laid to rest.

Y'know what, screw it. You believe what you want to, and I'll believe what I want to. I'm sick to the teeth of your gainsaying retorts and you're simply no longer worth the effort.

I'll stick with reality and not conspiracies. You can stick with te conspiracies if ya like.
Hey, whichever brand of reality fits your beliefs best, you go on and swallow it.

*snips*

Well sorry that you do not want to hear the truth of the matter. What should I have expected from a Seahawks fan.

*snips*

Well sorry that you do not want to hear the truth of the matter. What should I have expected from a Seahawks fan.

Well sorry that you do not want to hear the truth of the matter. What should I have expected from a Seahawks fan.
What the frozen colostomy Slurpee bag does my choice of FOOTBALL team have to do with anything? You push the boundaries of politeness and then expect people not to use expletives. You've got issues, pal. (I mean, if the NFC title isn't truth enough...). So you're from Pittsburgh, so what?

I'm sorry that you think you hold the corner on truth. I feel sorry for you when your awakening comes.

What the frozen colostomy Slurpee bag does my choice of FOOTBALL team have to do with anything? You push the boundaries of politeness and then expect people not to use expletives. You've got issues, pal. (I mean, if the NFC title isn't truth enough...). So you're from Pittsburgh, so what?

I'm sorry that you think you hold the corner on truth. I feel sorry for you when your awakening comes.

Oh take a chill pill. If you got upset over that then you really need a chill pill.

Also...it isn't me that needs an awakening. Its the Democratic Party that needs it.

Something to remember about Hardball--for some reason, and nobody knows quite why, Chris Matthews hates the Clintons, and Hillary especially, so you have to factor that in whenever you talk about that show.

In high school, Hillary beat up Chris, took his lunch money and stuffed his head down the toilet. He's been a little bitter ever since. Especially since he knows she can still kick his ass!

Oh take a chill pill. If you got upset over that then you really need a chill pill.

Also...it isn't me that needs an awakening. Its the Democratic Party that needs it.
I get upset whenever anyone makes irrelevent points and uses them like they actually mean something. Sorry, I'm weird like that. And please, stop telling me what to do, you're coming off like a televangelist.

True conservatism? Small government, free-enterprise. I.E. Not catering to special interests groups of any kind. That's the basic jist of it.

In other words big-L Libertarian.

I would vote Libertarian before I would vote Republican.:mad:

I get upset whenever anyone makes irrelevent points and uses them like they actually mean something. Sorry, I'm weird like that. And please, stop telling me what to do, you're coming off like a televangelist.

It was a suggestion.

I'm probably going to get a whole bunch of evil looks for this but I personally don't think a woman should be President. Other jobs in government dosen't bother me I just don't think a woman period should be either President or Vice President but thats just me.

So I was watching Hardball the other day, and they were talking about Hillary running in '08. I don't think she'll run, because let's face it, she's not a likeable person. She's ugly, and at first she was a left winger, but in recent months she tried to be more central so she can appeal to everybody, or the majority, thus alienating the leftist vote. Plus, she seem to be wearing a fake smile when the cameras are on. I bet yall $5 that her on camera and off camera personality are polar opposite of one another. Also, apparently I'm not the only one who feel like that Hillary has a snowball chance in Hell in winning the Dems. ticket for '08. So what do yall think?

I think I am so effin fed up of spineless Dems and amoral Machiavellian GOPsters that I am going to vote for Ralph Nader if dude runs again. Fact is, voting in this country is more and more a matter of picking the least unpalatable of two naer-identical choices (both of which are beholden to big business and its many dollar$).

Hillary is a prime example of a spineless Democrat. Looking at her public statements, one could only deduce she's trying to be Republican Light "now with 30% less neo-conservatism!" Too bad for her no matter what she does she just ends up looking like a carpetbagger.

*whew!*

*steps off soapbox*

It was a suggestion.
No, sorry. If it had been a one-time thing, I'd have taken it that way, Corny. But you really do seek to control the way people post, and that's really odd. I hope you have some sort of release for all that pent-up lack of control elsewhere in your life.

I'm probably going to get a whole bunch of evil looks for this but I personally don't think a woman should be President. Other jobs in government dosen't bother me I just don't think a woman period should be either President or Vice President but thats just me.

Looking at the track record of our many male presidents do you honestly think a woman would do any worse?

(And no, the look I'd give you would not be an evil one, just somewhat bemused...)

Looking at the track record of our many male presidents do you honestly think a woman would do any worse?

(And no, the look I'd give you would not be an evil one, just somewhat bemused...)

I'm not saying a women would be worse or anything I am just saying I don't think that she should be a leader of a Country. And beside We have had more great presidents than sorry ones.

She recently came up with a proposal to reduce the national speed limit back to 55 mph, in order to conserve gas. The problem is, if people wanted to conserve gas, they'd already be driving 55. Reducing the speed limit will do nothing except make more people into speeders.

Dont forget all the revenue that ticketing just a fraction of those speeders will produce.

Insurance companies will be raking in even more in higher premiums.

Lawyers will have a boost in clientele.

There we be another boom in radar/laser detectors technology and sales.