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...What do you think of this movie?



For those of you that haven't had the chance to see it http://imdb.com/title/tt0110729/ (Linky)

...What do you think of this movie?



For those of you that haven't had the chance to see it http://imdb.com/title/tt0110729/ (Linky)

I liked it very much.

There's a sequel too, "What becomes of the broken hearted" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0197094/), but I've never seen it.

For those of you that haven't had the chance to see it http://imdb.com/title/tt0110729/ (Linky)

Linky no worky.

Cool movie and MUCH better than the 7th Seal by Ingmar Bergman...
( sly dig at Fass )

Cool movie and MUCH better than the 7th Seal by Ingmar Bergman...
( sly dig at Fass )

Meh, I've always been more fond of Viskningar och Rop.

Meh, I've always been more fond of Viskningar och Rop.


King Arthur once hated that movie.
(He'll come again! )

Great movie. A classic IMHO.

EDIT - I think I have it on VHS somewhere...been ages since i've watched it though, heh.

The film was excellent. I especially liked the idea that the Maori culture could deal with issues of violence and alienation far more effectively than western culture could.

King Arthur once hated that movie.
(He'll come again! )

Too bad, then, it seems, that Arthur should have an opinion where you don't. Not that I doubt you'd manage to invent one nevertheless...

This one? (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110729/)

Haven't seen it.

The film was excellent. I especially liked the idea that the Maori culture could deal with issues of violence and alienation far more effectively than western culture could.

Could it,
or did it?

Her point ( the leading lady in the movie )
was that the leading chap in the movie,
was just another drunken lout,
hiding behind his culture as an excuse.

Too bad, then, it seems, that Arthur should have an opinion where you don't. Not that I doubt you'd manage to invent one nevertheless...


*proud of his record*

Thank you for your kind words, good Sir!

Could it,
or did it?

Her point ( the leading lady in the movie )
was that the leading chap in the movie,
was just another drunken lout,
hiding behind his culture as an excuse.
The point is, as she said "Jake was still a slave, a slave to violence and alcoholism"
She left him, taking her children with her, to live a better way of life within the Maori culture.

The point is, as she said "Jake was still a slave, a slave to violence and alcoholism"
She left him, taking her children with her, to live a better way of life within the Maori culture.


Hineininterpretierung.

She was taking herself,
her kids, her future,
away from the lout.

The 'to' was left open.
It wasn't about 'towards'
it was about 'away'

*proud of his record*

Thank you for your kind words, good Sir!

One should wager we all know what bliss is.

Hineininterpretierung.

She was taking herself,
her kids, her future,
away from the lout.

The 'to' was left open.
It wasn't about 'towards'
it was about 'away'
You may very well say so, i couldn't possibly comment. :)

Powerful first time, but wasn't so good the second time round. Some of the acting and the dialogue was pretty lame.
Not Tem, though. He was awesome in that role, esp. the end bit where he's really struggling to read his daughter's diary and then, "Uncle Bully!". You can almost see his eyes roll back in his head as he goes absolutely psycho.
Great scene.
As is the bit at the start: "Too much heavy weights. Not enough speed work". I used to get that a lot from the kids I taught in NZ, cause I was more into strength training. Incidently, they thought it was hilarious - coming as most of them did from families like the ones depicted in the movie. It was almost a documentary to them.
Cliff Curtis was also awesome in that movie, as Uncle Bully. But then he is a fantastic actor who pops up in hollywood movies occassionally but never gets the recognition he deserves.


fyi, there's quite a few pubs and ppl like that in NZ.
A few years back I went down to Ruatoria the same weekend East-Coast was playing the final to get into the 2nd Division rugby. First time they'd ever got this close to doing so. Something like 5000 ppl turned up for the game - impressive considering the entire East Coast only has about 5000 ppl living there and Ruatoria itself only has 1000.
Amazingly EC won and so were through to the 2nd division for the first time ever. The entire town was over the moon and quite rightly looking to party.
I went along to the local pub there that night. Decided to myself to have a few beers and stay until I'd watched five bar brawls.
After 40 minutes I left, having filled my quota of mindless violence.
What I found most fascinating was watching the locals when a brawl erupted. They would quickly grab their pints out of reflex more than anything else, to stop it being knocked over, stand back and watch impassively (maybe making a few comments about the quality of the spectacle) until the bouncers came in and dragged the offenders outside. They'd then move back to their original spots and carry on their conversation like nothing had happened.



"Cook the man some fucking eggs!"

...What do you think of this movie?



For those of you that haven't had the chance to see it http://imdb.com/title/tt0110729/ (Linky)
Loved it.

Could it,
or did it?

Her point ( the leading lady in the movie )
was that the leading chap in the movie,
was just another drunken lout,
hiding behind his culture as an excuse.
He allowed the pressure of the EUrocentric culture to diminish his, then he used that pressure as an excuse for himself at the abandonment of Moari culture, beating your wife and being a drunk are not aspects of the Moari culture--those are aspects of the loser culture.

He allowed the pressure of the EUrocentric culture to diminish his, then he used that pressure as an excuse for himself at the abandonment of Moari culture, beating your wife and being a drunk are not aspects of the Moari culture--those are aspects of the loser culture.

*grin*
as I said:
hiding behind
his culture.

( whether his culture is looser or maori is utterly beside the point )

*grin*
as I said:
hiding behind
his culture.

( whether his culture is looser or maori is utterly beside the point )
*No Grin*
You can infer your absolute correctness as long as you like, the subject was Maori culture when you said he was hiding behind it.

Speaking vaguely to allow yourself wiggle room is hardly an impressive style of debate or discussion.

Have good day.

*No Grin*
You can infer your absolute correctness as long as you like, the subject was Maori culture when you said he was hiding behind it.

Speaking vaguely to allow yourself wiggle room is hardly an impressive style of debate or discussion.

Have good day.

Fullash*t

Does it matter which culture he hides behind?
The thing is that he uses an excuse.

Whale Rider is another film along similar lines (though not as violent). i loved both

Whale Rider is another film along similar lines (though not as violent). i loved both
Cliff Curtis was in that one as well. And it was filmed not far from Ruatoria.

Cliff Curtis was in that one as well. And it was filmed not far from Ruatoria.
That reminds me of a story I heard from one of the villagers when I visited the Maori village in Rotorua.

Apparently, loads of tourists had been tramping through the village, gawping at everything and contributing to nothing. So the villigers decided to go en masse to the big hotels and be tourists there, going into hotel rooms, the lounge, bars, kitchens, reception etc.

Very quickly, the hotels decided to enter into agreement with the villagers about how many and what times the villagers were happy to receive the tourists into their village. The tourists also had to pay for the privilege. At least this meant that some income could be diverted to the needs of the villagers.

Shows what a little direct action can achieve!:D

That reminds me of a story I heard from one of the villagers when I visited the Maori village in Rotorua.

Apparently, loads of tourists had been tramping through the village, gawping at everything and contributing to nothing. So the villigers decided to go en masse to the big hotels and be tourists there, going into hotel rooms, the lounge, bars, kitchens, reception etc.

Very quickly, the hotels decided to enter into agreement with the villagers about how many and what times the villagers were happy to receive the tourists into their village. The tourists also had to pay for the privilege. At least this meant that some income could be diverted to the needs of the villagers.

Shows what a little direct action can achieve!:D
What Maori village? There is no Maori village! Believe it or not, they don't still wander round in grass skirts and live in pas anymore!
The only Maori village near Rotorua is one made up as a tourist attraction, and you have to pay to get in. It's pretty boring, the village part, but there are some nice geysers and hot pools along side it.
Of course, you can see some for free at the park in the middle of Rotorua.

Hineininterpretierung.

She was taking herself,
her kids, her future,
away from the lout.

The 'to' was left open.
It wasn't about 'towards'
it was about 'away'
The 'to' (as in 'return to her people') occured when she reached out to her whanau (family) to come and take Gracie 'home' to the marae.

I dont really like the movie. I appreciate the craft, and it has many enjoyable/satisfying elements, but I find the subject matter and the events depicted quite unsettling.

What Maori village? There is no Maori village! Believe it or not, they don't still wander round in grass skirts and live in pas anymore!
The only Maori village near Rotorua is one made up as a tourist attraction, and you have to pay to get in. It's pretty boring, the village part, but there are some nice geysers and hot pools along side it.
Of course, you can see some for free at the park in the middle of Rotorua.
Actually, the village you described is the one I'm talking about. I don't think they'd thank you for saying it only exists as a tourist attraction though. They may be happy to receive tourists but the tourists have to respect the fact they are in someone else's home.

I didn't think it was boring, the Geysers were amazing: the Maoris use them to cook, wash clothes and wash themselves. The guide who took us around had a real "attitude" towards the tourists. When I smirked about the women having to do the cleaning and cooking (thinking not much different from the west then), she rounded on me and gave me hell saying that any work was to be respected and that this was a traditional role for women in Maori culture.

I was amazed when they performed the various dances and songs they have. The Haka was amazing but it was the women dancing with those Pom pom things, I can't remmber what they are called. The expressions on their faces were incredible

I believe they also use the geysers to know what else is happening around the world....too involved to explain but they sure believed in it.

What Maori village? There is no Maori village!
I dont know quite what village, township or community the earlier poster referred to, but I believe Whakarewarewa Village is both a Marae village and in existance.
Believe it or not, they don't still wander round in grass skirts and live in pas anymore!
The only Maori village near Rotorua is one made up as a tourist attraction, and you have to pay to get in. It's pretty boring, the village part, but there are some nice geysers and hot pools along side it.
Of course, you can see some for free at the park in the middle of Rotorua.
So far as I know Whakarewarewa is a real settlement; although I understand the inhabitants do cater to tourists, but that doesnt make their community 'not a real village'.

I was amazed when they performed the various dances and songs they have. The Haka was amazing but it was the women dancing with those Pom pom things, I can't remmber what they are called.

They are called poi (rhymes with boy).

They are called poi (rhymes with boy).
Thanks for the info....One of the many things I like about New Zealand
is that the Maoris are part of the society there, unllike in Austarlia where the Aborigines are more usually sidelined into living on the edges. Those that do live in the cities are usually homeless and frequently alcoholics. It's sad they have succumbed to the western vices.

They are called poi (rhymes with boy).
Fact Tangent: Poi is also a starchy paste made from boiled Taro Roots. Quite the delicasy for the Pacific Islands. quite tastey.

damn... now I'm geting hungry. :( [/hijack]

I liked it very much.

There's a sequel too, "What becomes of the broken hearted" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0197094/), but I've never seen it.

A trully excellent film. The second one mentioned above just doesnt come close to the first.

the only time I was in Rotorua i spent two days in bed v. sick:gundge: (is roughly what we're talking about).