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This is really the burning question.

Does God think there is a you?

Answer as you see fit. There will be no poll as polls are against my religion.

That's okay. I'll just make my own poll. :D

Poll:

[X]Yes.

[ ]No.

[ ]Maybe so.

[ ]Myrth.

yes he does. :)

and he also has faith in you Keru. :D

Yes, god(s) believes in me. Unfortunately, some of the other Gods, in order to convince the main God to give them money, convinced God that he should send money to them.

They also told Him that I forbid the wearing of facial hair as a grievous sin, so now he's started shaving, and he just doesn't look right...

That's okay. I'll just make my own poll. :D


HEATHEN!

and he also has faith in you Keru. :D

About damn time.

Now ... will he send me money?

About damn time.

Now ... will he send me money?
while meditating, a young man found himself standing next to an elderly figure. he instantly reconized the gentleman as God.
God looked at his young visitor and asked "what weighs so heavily on your heart, my son"
the young man looked at god and asked. "What is time to you Lord?"
God smiled and replied "Time has no meaning to me. a million years can be aut a second and a second can be a million years."
the young man though on this. then asked "what of your views on materialism and wealth."
God replied "That which you call wealth has no meaning nor value to me. A million of your dollars is but a worthless penny to me."
The young man contemplated those words.

He then looked up at God and asked. "can you give me a penny?"
and God replied. "in a second."

and God replied. "in a second."

so God's a rat bastard .... I knew it! :p

Nah, but i'm cool with returning the favour.

Yes, god(s) believes in me. Unfortunately, some of the other Gods, in order to convince the main God to give them money, convinced God that he should send money to them.

They also told Him that I forbid the wearing of facial hair as a grievous sin, so now he's started shaving, and he just doesn't look right...
:D

Don't ask us. Ask God.:rolleyes:

:D

The meanest thing is, they told him masturbation is a sin, and since he won't acknowledge any other Gods, he's got nobody to get busy with, so...

I daresay God has no faith in me- someone had to say this-
because something that doesn't exist (imho) has trouble keeping faith in anything :p

I don't know. I'm really not all that concerned about it.

Nah, but i'm cool with returning the favour.
you! Get out of my head!

The meanest thing is, they told him masturbation is a sin, and since he won't acknowledge any other Gods, he's got nobody to get busy with, so...

He must be a priest.

I don't know. I'm really not all that concerned about it.

Oh, way to go. A reasonable response, keeping things in perspective. Now my system crashed because it doesn't recognize the data from this site...

Don't ask us. Ask God.:rolleyes:

You got a phone number or somethin'?

I Am God.

And yes I have faith in myself. But there are some of you out there that make me wonder...

You got a phone number or somethin'?

A lot of people have phone numbers. :p

You got a phone number or somethin'?

Just call your local pizza place and ask for Bill.

You got a phone number or somethin'?
1-436-555-6472.

Ask for Eric.
Edit: argh...beaten again. Twice in the same thread. this time, I'm leaving it. so there.

Reminds me of a good priest joke.

So this priest dies one day and goes to Heaven. He decides that since he now as all the time in eternity, he is going to learn to read the Bible in every language it has ever been published in. After many, many years of hard work, he puts down the last Bible and looks positively distraught. Immediately he brought his discovery to the attention of his friends.

"Oh my God... all this time it had been mistranslated! They missed a letter... it said Celebrate!"

you! Get out of my head!

:p

Reminds me of a good priest joke.

So this priest dies one day and goes to Heaven. He decides that since he now as all the time in eternity, he is going to learn to read the Bible in every language it has ever been published in. After many, many years of hard work, he puts down the last Bible and looks positively distraught. Immediately he brought his discovery to the attention of his friends.

"Oh my God... all this time it had been mistranslated! They missed a letter... it said Celebrate!"

LOL, pure class.

So, Saint Peter is at his desk, doing some paperwork, when an old man comes up and says "I'm looking for my son."

Saint Peter says, "Well, can you describe him?"

The old man says, "He had nails through his hands and feet. He came alive when he was dead."

Saint Peter, realizing that this must be Joseph, the earthly father of Jesus, runs up to Christ's office and rushes in. "Boss, you better get down here. I think your father from earth just walked in!"

So, Jesus walks down, approaches the man, peers closely at the old face and says "Joseph?"

The old man looks back and says "Pinnochio?"

Reminds me of a good priest joke.

So this priest dies one day and goes to Heaven. He decides that since he now as all the time in eternity, he is going to learn to read the Bible in every language it has ever been published in. After many, many years of hard work, he puts down the last Bible and looks positively distraught. Immediately he brought his discovery to the attention of his friends.

"Oh my God... all this time it had been mistranslated! They missed a letter... it said Celebrate!"

Ah...that one's an old favorite. Must...start...new...thread...

I suppose there are two ways of looking at the whole thing:
1) Refer to Douglas Adams's Hitchhiker's Trilogy--remember the character who wrote the book "That about does it for God." (:
2)refer to Nietzsche, who said "God is dead." God supposedly later replied, "Nietzsche is dead." (:
Either way, it's a moot issue, because the only ones who know for sure aren't talking. Still, it can't hurt to hedge your bets...just pay the insurance premium when the collection plate passes over your lap. [:

One thing you can always believe in: having another drink. As Benjamin Franklin supposedly said, "Beer is our proof that God loves us."

I suppose there are two ways of looking at the whole thing:
1) Refer to Douglas Adams's Hitchhiker's Trilogy--remember the character who wrote the book "That about does it for God." (:
2)refer to Nietzsche, who said "God is dead." God supposedly later replied, "Nietzsche is dead." (:
Either way, it's a moot issue, because the only ones who know for sure aren't talking. Still, it can't hurt to hedge your bets...just pay the insurance premium when the collection plate passes over your lap. [:

One thing you can always believe in: having another drink. As Benjamin Franklin supposedly said, "Beer is our proof that God loves us."
to be fair, Nietzsche didn't say just "God is dead", he said "God is dead, and you and I have killed him". Changes the meaning alot.

God loves Whittier---!

Instead of coming up with something witty or smart, Im just gonna quote my favorite Black Sabbath lyrics.

Wont you help me Mr. Jesus, wont you tell me, if you can, when you see this world we live in, do ya still believe in man?
If my songs become my freedom, and my freedom turns to gold, then I'll ask the final question, if the answer could be sold.
-Black Sabbath

I think its relevant.

Good people...
You see the truth!

Well well well

Of course he does trust us, of course he believes in us, of course he has faith in us...

Without us he's shit, zilch, nada!
He needs us, he wants us, that son of a god.
God can't be alone, the other gods are dead or sleeping like that lazy bastard of Cthulhu.

You should respect that friendship.
Now let's pray for the soul of the lost god, amen. :gundge:

The High Priest
- Writer of The Scriptures -

In as much as I am aware of God, God is aware of me. Not me as an individual, but me as a part of Oneness or Itself. Its all One Awareness and the experience of It moves in all directions. I AM.

Faith is too human a concept to ascribe to a divine being. Thus, I am inclined to answer 'No'.

Faith is anathema to omniscience.

I asked my god whether He had faith in me and He told me to stop asking stupid questions and to bring Him more coffee.

Does that count?

Don't ask us. Ask God.:rolleyes:
It seems awfull hard to get a strait answer out of that bastard ... whily old man

*looks at thread*
*grunts*
*throws needles at all who partisipate in thread*excluding self*

This is really the burning question.

Does God think there is a you?

Answer as you see fit. There will be no poll as polls are against my religion.

Faith is very human. Dont think god in human terms...

Faith is very human. Dont think god in human terms...
Why not ... myths are created by humans

Why not ... myths are created by humans
:fluffle:

Why not ... myths are created by humans

Was that a question? Were you really looking for an answer? If you were, you'd be more open to listening opposition instead of dismissing as a myth. I guess there is no point for me to answer your 'statement'.

:fluffle:
:D YAY fluffle lol

Was that a question? Were you really looking for an answer? If you were, you'd be more open to listening opposition instead of dismissing as a myth. I guess there is no point for me to answer your 'statement'.

There is no way for you to answer it, period, as you cannot deny the myth status of any deity.

I don't think God does have faith in me. At the minute, we have a sort of understanding, but we both know I'll turn on him the second he tries to go all authoritarian on us down here.

Guess not ... oh well, ya can believe in whatever helps you sleep at night.


Weird. I just pressed quote and nothing came up to screen, it was blank, was that a signal from god? :D
Anyway what I was going to say:

Sure, you can carry on believing what makes you feel smart.

Weird. I just pressed quote and nothing came up to screen, it was blank, was that a signal from god? :D
Anyway what I was going to say:

Sure, you can carry on believing what makes you feel smart.

In this case, not believing is what makes one smart. That's kind of the point, lilla gubben.

Weird. I just pressed quote and nothing came up to screen, it was blank, was that a signal from god? :D
Anyway what I was going to say:

Sure, you can carry on believing what makes you feel smart.
That or I deleted it because fass had a more to the point reply about the non falsafiability of god

There is no way for you to answer it, period, as you cannot deny the myth status of any deity.

Sure I cant answer it if you are going to be this dogmatic about atheism. You are just the symethry of a religious zealot. Both dogmatig and tunnel visioned. While they might believe anything in the Bible is to be done, you wont recognize the existance of universe now cant be the result of accidental collision of some molecules/atoms (not sure which in big bang's case).

In this case, not believing is what makes one smart. That's kind of the point, lilla gubben.

Lilla? Stupid? What weakness are you trying to cover with this arrogance?

Sure I cant answer it if you are going to be this dogmatic about atheism. You are just the symethry of a religious zealot. Both dogmatig and tunnel visioned. While they might believe anything in the Bible is to be done, you wont recognize the existance of universe now cant be the result of accidental collision of some molecules/atoms (not sure which in big bang's case).
So you disbelieve in a theory you dont even understand?

So you disbelieve in a theory you dont even understand?

Actually I understand it much much more than you understood my post. I wasnt sure the starting point of big bang was a molecule or atom. I've never said I disbelive in big bang...

Sure I cant answer it if you are going to be this dogmatic about atheism. You are just the symethry of a religious zealot. Both dogmatig and tunnel visioned.

Your bellyaching here still does not detract from the fact that you cannot deny the myth status of any deity.

While they might believe anything in the Bible is to be done, you wont recognize the existance of universe now cant be the result of accidental collision of some molecules/atoms (not sure which in big bang's case).

That was incoherent and riddled with grammatical mistakes, making any sort of point you were trying to make unintelligible. Care to try again?

Actually I understand it much much more than you understood my post. I wasnt sure the starting point of big bang was a molecule or atom. I've never said I disbelive in big bang...
Neither ... but oberservation back past the Planck epoch is as of now impossible unfication theory is hard to wrap ones head around though, it makes things rather intresting.

Lilla? Stupid?

No, "lilla" means "little." Norwegian, you claimed you were, no?

What weakness are you trying to cover with this arrogance?

Ah, the volumes you know on hiding weakness that you seem to be projecting.

This is really the burning question.

Does God think there is a you?

Is there any particular reason I should care?

Is there any particular reason I should care?
Sure, if you want to take the Freudian "God is your father personified" psychoanalysis route.

In Soviet Russia, YOU believe in GOD!

No, wait...

Sure, if you want to take the Freudian "God is your father personified" psychoanalysis route.
Forgive me, but I'm not terribly concerned with the ramblings of a coke-addled Austrian who made his fortune by enabling child molesters. :)

god doesnt exist

:eek: :sniper:

This is really the burning question.

Does God think there is a you?

Answer as you see fit. There will be no poll as polls are against my religion.
He's agnostic about me. He's decided that whether I exist or not is totally unknowable but he really, really hopes I'm not real.

god doesnt exist

:eek: :sniper:
*Standrad atheist-killer question* Do you know everything? I'm gonna assume no. Then how can you know for sure that god doesn't exist in the huge hole of your knowledge?

He's agnostic about me. He's decided that whether I exist or not is totally unknowable but he really, really hopes I'm not real.
Don't we all...

Your bellyaching here still does not detract from the fact that you cannot deny the myth status of any deity.



That was incoherent and riddled with grammatical mistakes, making any sort of point you were trying to make unintelligible. Care to try again?

Ok, I'll try to make it simpler for you.

1) Religious zealots can not think outside their dogmas. They wont question if homosexuality is normal if it writes it's a sin in the bible.

2) Atheist dogmas (in your case) wont accept the argument of GOD. Because "not believing is smart" and "it CAN NOT be proven." These are dogmas that you start your discussion with.

3) Hence you are symethries of each other. Not really different in way of thinking, just in the results you reach...

4)



Prior to the singularity, nothing existed, not space, time, matter, or energy - nothing.



If you suggest that the current order of universe (scientific constants, planer, solar, galactic orbits, the cyclic balance of life, planets, stars etc....) are all a set of coincidences, you are being rediculous....

*Standrad atheist-killer question* Do you know everything? I'm gonna assume no. Then how can you know for sure that god doesn't exist in the huge hole of your knowledge?
*Sigh*

Let's not start flinging crappy falacies at each other, hmmm?

*Standrad atheist-killer question* Do you know everything? I'm gonna assume no. Then how can you know for sure that god doesn't exist in the huge hole of your knowledge?
Standard Atheist-resurector answer. You don't have to know that there is no god to be an atheist, only believe that there is no god.

Standard Atheist-resurector answer. You don't have to know that there is no god to be an atheist, only believe that there is no god.
Woo! I am sick and tired of all those fools they have on the shows where they try to prove you cannot be an atheist. Planted ones, but fools nonetheless.

No, "lilla" means "little." Norwegian, you claimed you were, no?



Ah, the volumes you know on hiding weakness that you seem to be projecting.

Ok, I should try to write my posts simpler for you.

The fact that you suggested not believing is smart means you imply believing is stupid. Hence you called me stupid. And later, little man. And I was asking what weakness were you trying to hide with this unneccessary show of arrogance?

Ok, I'll try to make it simpler for you.

Quite the achievement for you.

1) Religious zealots can not think outside their dogmas. They wont question if homosexuality is normal if it writes it's a sin in the bible.

It writes? What it? Are you trying to use an impersonal construct but are failing to depersonalise it? "It writes" should probably be "it is written," in which case you remain utterly Bible-centric, and thus are waging a very, very narrow argumentation, as usual.

2) Atheist dogmas (in your case) wont accept the argument of GOD. Because "not believing is smart" and "it CAN NOT be proven." These are dogmas that you start your discussion with.

It is unfalsifiable, and hence it is nonsensical for it to be treated with reason. You deity is a myth, like every other deity. Hence your inability to answer his rhetorical question, even though you would like to convince yourself that you can, but can't. The only way you can is by having us abandon reason, and, well, such futility is better suited for you in your racist threads, I'm afraid.

3) Hence you are symethries of each other. Not really different in way of thinking, just in the results you reach...

Oh, dear. You seem to think that the scientific method is somehow comparable to religion. Lilla gubben, indeed.

If you suggest that the current order of universe (scientific constants, planer, solar, galactic orbits, the cyclic balance of life, planets, stars etc....) are all a set of coincidences, you are being rediculous....

Prove it, then. Oh, right! Your deity is designed to be unprovable since it is made unfalsifiable. So, your little mental blanket of "but, it can't be coincidence, it can't, because then little, old white me can't be all that special, now can I?" is nothing but hot air. "It can't be coincidence" is all you have to say, because you cannot prove anything. Your sole solace lies in the "but you can't disprove it" deception, as your deity is designed by you not to be provable or disprovable. Making the deity the utterly ridiculous concept, and your "faith" in it worthless.

Did you watch that short film?...
Anyway, consider the story of Jesus walking on water according to Matthew. Jesus is walking on water, Peter says, "if it is you ask me to come to you." Jesus says "Come." So Peter walks on the water. Then Peter is like "Oh crap! I'm walking on water! And everything is windy and stormy!" Then he starts to sink. Now, Jesus is still walking on water, so obvoisly, there is no reason to not have faith in him. And Jesus rescues Peter and asks, "O you of little faith, why did you doubt?" Like I said, Jesus is still on the water, so it seems like it should be taken, why did you doubt your ability to do what I enabled you to do? Peter is Jesus' disciple, so Jesus believes he has what it takes. In fact, all Jewish rabi's would only make disciples of Peter who they believed could be like them and could take their yoke upon them.

Ok, I should try to write my posts simpler for you.

Again, quite the feat!

The fact that you suggested not believing is smart means you imply believing is stupid.

Believing in fairy tales and pixies and four-armed man-elephants or magical wizards in the sky is stupid. It's astonishing that you don't realise that. It's astonishing so many people don't.

Hence you called me stupid. And later, little man.

While religion is stupid, it doesn't automatically render people stupid. In your case, racism, rather than religion, would be the bigger culprit, should one choose to entertain your straw man of me having called you stupid.

And I was asking what weakness were you trying to hide with this unneccessary show of arrogance?

I'm sorry that you seem to see clarity as arrogance.

Peter should be PEOPLE! oops

*Sigh*

Let's not start flinging crappy falacies at each other, hmmm?

But Bottle, God has not been proven not to exist; therefore he must exist! :rolleyes:

Oooh, we can reverse that too; how nifty! Just like with real-life religion, everyone's a loser! Yay!

Well, He did for a while, but then I stole His identity and credit card, and He retaliated by suing me for $5.5 million, so we came out kind of even.

But Bottle, God has not been proven not to exist; therefore he must exist! :rolleyes:

You can't spell "utter logical falacy" without "logic"! Our reasoning is perfect! :P

I will making my own pool.

[ ] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] Maybe
[x] God does not exist
[ ] Euroslavia ( Yes, it does get boring when you keep using Myrth all the time)

Quite the achievement for you.

It writes? What it? Are you trying to use an impersonal construct but are failing to depersonalise it? "It writes" should probably be "it is written," in which case you remain utterly Bible-centric, and thus are waging a very, very narrow argumentation, as usual.


Whatever Fass. The fact that you write a paragraph criticising my english shows the quality of you and your arguments. If doing that makes you feel good, so be it. Bible was an example to explain your dogmatic view.


It is unfalsifiable, and hence it is nonsensical for it to be treated with reason. You deity is a myth, like every other deity. Hence your inability to answer his rhetorical question, even though you would like to convince yourself that you can, but can't. The only way you can is by having us abandon reason, and, well, such futility is better suited for you in your racist threads, I'm afraid.


Prove it, then. Oh, right! Your deity is designed to be unprovable since it is made unfalsifiable. So, your little mental blanket of "but, it can't be coincidence, it can't, because then little, old white me can't be all that special, now can I?" is nothing but hot air. "It can't be coincidence" is all you have to say, because you cannot prove anything. Your sole solace lies in the "but you can't disprove it" deception, as your deity is designed by you not to be provable or disprovable. Making the deity the utterly ridiculous concept, and your "faith" in it worthless.

I wasnt arguing about the speciality of whites...But rather...


If you suggest that the current order of universe (scientific constants, planer, solar, galactic orbits, the cyclic balance of life, planets, stars etc....) are all a set of coincidences, you are being rediculous....


All of this and much more. They are stable. Earth doesnt malfunction and leave its solar orbit. Of course sun will die and then earths orbit will change but it's a cycle, which in itself makes sense. But my point is what's the chance of all of this being coincedence? You know a bit about probability calculations in math? Whats the probability of all these happening at the same time? Verrrrrrrrrrry few. So it's much more likely it was "intelligently designed" somehow. So it is you who has to prove that it is all set of coincidences, because, as I said before, your "coincidence theory" is much less likely...


Oh, dear. You seem to think that the scientific method is somehow comparable to religion. Lilla gubben, indeed.


LOL. Do you know what symethry means? Think about it for awhile, given the context I used it in. I might explain you later as I have to go now...

There is nothing about this thread that I don't like.

Whatever Fass. The fact that you write a paragraph criticising my english shows the quality of you and your arguments. If doing that makes you feel good, so be it. Bible was an example to explain your dogmatic view.

You're the one who's trying to claim that people are calling you stupid, and are trying to prove that you aren't. Flawed English isn't helping you.

I wasnt arguing about the speciality of whites...But rather...

You were arguing about the speciality of yourself. You're so special, you need a wizard in the sky.

All of this and much more. They are stable. Earth doesnt malfunction and leave its solar orbit. Of course sun will die and then earths orbit will change but it's a cycle, which in itself makes sense. But my point is what's the chance of all of this being coincedence? You know a bit about probability calculations in math? Whats the probability of all these happening at the same time? Verrrrrrrrrrry few. So it's much more likely it was "intelligently designed" somehow. So it is you who has to prove that it is all set of coincidences, because, as I said before, your "coincidence theory" is much less likely...

"I don't understand something, so it must be Tiamat who made it so!"

Again, prove it! Oh, but here again you can't. Why? Because your deity is unfalsifiable. It is not provable or disprovable. It is thus pointless to regard with any sort of reason. Also, it's funny how all of those things need an "intelligent designer," but the intelligent designer doesn't. How do you explain that? How can the universe need "an intelligent designer," but the intelligent designer, who by the very nature of your argument must be even more complex than the universe, not need a designer? And his designer, who's his designer? Here is the true hypocrisy of "intelligent design." It doesn't answer any question in its idiotic statement "god did it, because I like there to be a god" - in fact it raises even more.

LOL. Do you know what symethry means?

More than you, it seems, since I can actually spell symmetry. And, no, it doesn't mean what you seem to think it means, and yes, your usage of it is incorrect. I recommend you purchase on OED.

Think about it for awhile, given the context I used it in. I might explain you later as I have to go now...

Do run along, as you don't seem to be accomplishing anything, really.

There is nothing about this thread that I don't like.

I've been meaning to ask, Keru... did you go apostate? :eek:

All of this and much more. They are stable. Earth doesnt malfunction and leave its solar orbit. Of course sun will die and then earths orbit will change but it's a cycle, which in itself makes sense. But my point is what's the chance of all of this being coincedence? You know a bit about probability calculations in math? Whats the probability of all these happening at the same time? Verrrrrrrrrrry few. So it's much more likely it was "intelligently designed" somehow. So it is you who has to prove that it is all set of coincidences, because, as I said before, your "coincidence theory" is much less likely...

A fish swims up to an elder fish and asks, "Why, sir, are we in a fishbowl?"

The elder ponders for a while and replies, "Because, son, we are fish!"

Your answer stinks and your logic faulty. Just because something is improbable does not make it impossible. Also, as the Elder Fish in the little story also refuses to acknowledge, you should realise that just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean Zeus is making it thunder.

I've been meaning to ask, Keru... did you go apostate? :eek:

Big time.

God keeps praying to me for monetary wealth but really, I hardly have enough to make ends meet let alone throw money at deities.

Big time.

Congrats, I guess, for having the balls!

Are the death threats rolling in, yet?

There is nothing about this thread that I don't like.
*throws more needles*

Probably not. I'm such a good actor, god only believes that my characters exist. *snickers*

I do not exist, therefore, any faith that god may or may not have in me is both misplaced and irrelevant.

A fish swims up to an elder fish and asks, "Why, sir, are we in a fishbowl?"

The elder ponders for a while and replies, "Because, son, we are fish!"

Your answer stinks and your logic faulty. Just because something is improbable does not make it impossible. Also, as the Elder Fish in the little story also refuses to acknowledge, you should realise that just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean Zeus is making it thunder.
but Keru, the elder fish's answer is precise, to the point as well as simple. with that one answer he answered why they were in the fish bowl.

now if you are going to change your senario to add that the fishbowl was at the bottom of the lake, and those two fishes never ventured out of the bowl, then that is a waste of talent on the part of the fish. (another biblical reference)

Yes, he does. More than I do...........

Are the death threats rolling in, yet?

Nah ... this is America. We're free here.

but Keru, the elder fish's answer is precise, to the point as well as simple. with that one answer he answered why they were in the fish bowl.

But that's the problem. The lesson of the fishbowl is that it's very easy to simplify, but it's more of an accomplishment to actually find an answer.

I know the Bible says "He that increases knowledge, increases sorrow"; but I just can't get behind that.

But that's the problem. The lesson of the fishbowl is that it's very easy to simplify, but it's more of an accomplishment to actually find an answer.

I know the Bible says "He that increases knowledge, increases sorrow"; but I just can't get behind that.
ok, take the fish story (and watch it grow :D )
"we are fish." as fish, they extract oxygen from water to breathe. thus the fishbowl (if sitting on a table in some human's home) is holding in their medium of which they can breathe.

as fish, their bodies cannot stand the weight of their bodies. they are designed (for lack of a better word) to be suspended in a liquid environment. thus the fishbowl also prevents gravity from killing them.

As fish, their bodies are not designed to move through any other medium other than water. so the Fishbowl also allows for some mobility in a world that they could not move into.

now how to explain the complexity of gravity as well as asphixiation to a child? you can certainly try. but be prepared for a series of "why" questions that will end up being circular. so the Elder fish, showing wisdom, explains it in ways that the child fish would understand. and as the child grows up, more details can be added so that the fish would understand. In saying "we are fish" is to reconize all the limitations that being a fish entails. to challenge those limitations is up to the younger fish.

I've been meaning to ask, Keru... did you go apostate? :eek:
Apostates rock. All of the interesting parts of experience, thought and understanding with none of the political undertones of actually being part of the religious organisation.

Well, it depends on the kind of God I believe in at the moment.

Sometimes, borrowing from the Christian fundamentalists, I picture God as an overly narcissistic toddler with obvious self-esteem problems and access to far too much power for His own good, in which case it is quite possible He has engaged in a "Fine! I don't believe in you, either!" sort of thing in my regard.

Alternatively, He could be a deity actually worthy of respect, in which case His omniscience, devoid of pride-motivated denial, compels Him to acknowledge my existence.

And perhaps He does not exist at all, in which case He cannot believe in anyone.

Sure I cant answer it if you are going to be this dogmatic about atheism. You are just the symethry of a religious zealot. Both dogmatig and tunnel visioned. While they might believe anything in the Bible is to be done, you wont recognize the existance of universe now cant be the result of accidental collision of some molecules/atoms (not sure which in big bang's case).
You're not going to get anywhere with this, I can tell you now. Some atheists are utterly convinced of the infallibility of their position. Let be in this case.

You're not going to get anywhere with this, I can tell you now. Some atheists are utterly convinced of the infallibility of their position. Let be in this case.
well, Fass is correct in his assertion. Fass can't prove god doesn't exist. Nordland can't prove he does. (scientific defn of "prove", not 6 year old defn)
It is a moot argument. Additionally, myths don't have to be false. Most are actually true in some regards with a fabulous aspect (fabulous meaning fable-like)

well, Fass is correct in his assertion.

As is my habit.

well, Fass is correct in his assertion. Fass can't prove god doesn't exist. Nordland can't prove he does. (scientific defn of "prove", not 6 year old defn)
It is a moot argument. Additionally, myths don't have to be false. Most are actually true in some regards with a fabulous aspect (fabulous meaning fable-like)
Hence I am advising Ny not to waste his energy over it.

As is my habit.
as I've noticed, my friend. And let me say, when you are correct, no one is quite as good at rubbing some lemon and salt into the wound of the loser.

Europa Maxima, the part I was responding to was you saying that some atheists are convinced of their infalliability...I was just pointing out that Fass wasn't saying he's right, he was saying he can't be proven wrong. *shrug*

Europa Maxima, the part I was responding to was you saying that some atheists are convinced of their infalliability...I was just pointing out that Fass wasn't saying he's right, he was saying he can't be proven wrong. *shrug*
I realise that. I would add though that neither can one who is faithful be proven wrong; they simply cannot prove the absolute, factual existence of what they believe in. So like you said, it's a moot argument.

They simply cannot prove the absolute, factual existence of what they believe in.

The point being I don't believe, so I've nothing to prove.

The point being I don't believe, so I've nothing to prove.
I said the faithful.

This sounds like a copy cat thread people.... if you want to discuss your belief in god, why not do it in the appropriate thread?

I said the faithful.

*Rereads EM's post. Reads it again. And again. Inserts mental commas for use by only him, sees the distinction, retracts.*

02.00. My, my.

*Rereads EM's post. Reads it again. And again. Inserts mental commas for use by only him, sees the distinction, retracts.*
A semi-colon might serve me better then.

02.00. My, my.
Not tired yet?

This sounds like a copy cat thread people.... if you want to discuss your belief in god, why not do it in the appropriate thread?
because this thread was suppose to be if God believes in you.

got hijacked somewhere along the line.

got hijacked somewhere along the line.
Nooo... :eek: That never happens! :D

A semi-colon might serve me better then.

I loathe that particular punctuation mark; hence my rare, and purposefully incorrect, usage of it.

Not tired yet?

I'm quite tired indeed. It's just I ate dinner at six, and now am a bit peckish, but too tired to cook, and too hungry to sleep. I'm contemplating running out to a kebab place, but, you know, kebab in the middle of the night...

Nooo... :eek: That never happens! :D
psst... it's done by those girls who are also not on the internet. :D

I'm quite tired indeed. It's just I ate dinner at six, and now am a bit peckish, but too tired to cook, and too hungry to sleep. I'm contemplating running out to a kebab place, but, you know, kebab in the middle of the night...
My big problem is that the kebabplace around here closed 13mins ago...

Edit: psst... it's done by those girls who are also not on the internet.
:eek: There are people outside of the internet?!

My big problem is that the kebabplace around here closed 13mins ago...

Mine closes at three. McDo's is open 'til four. I'm trying to get my thumb out, as the Swedism goes, before I'm forced, through my own sloth, to resort to the latter.

Apostates rock. All of the interesting parts of experience, thought and understanding with none of the political undertones of actually being part of the religious organisation.

What exactly is an apostate?

Well, assuming that I'm correct in my beliefs, then yes, He does. :p

I loathe that particular punctuation mark; hence my rare, and purposefully incorrect, usage of it.
Traumatic experiences with it?

I'm quite tired indeed. It's just I ate dinner at six, and now am a bit peckish, but too tired to cook, and too hungry to sleep. I'm contemplating running out to a kebab place, but, you know, kebab in the middle of the night...
Can't you just order in?

Traumatic experiences with it?

Oi, don't get me started, love.

Can't you just order in?

Yes, I can imagine the face of the delivery guy when he realises I had him drive a full hundred metres or so.

Oi, don't get me started, love.
As you please.

Yes, I can imagine the face of the delivery guy when he realises I had him drive a full hundred metres or so.
Imagine his face when you "tip" him off for his services (provided he is hot enough).

Yes, I can imagine the face of the delivery guy when he realises I had him drive a full hundred metres or so.
Ah, well, my place is about a kilometer from here and it's close to 0 degrees, so I had other reasons...

God has never let me know of his faith in me. Does he expect me to initiate?

Imagine his face when you "tip" him off for his services (provided he is hot enough).

I don't do the help.

God has never let me know of his faith in me. Does he expect me to initiate?
Yeah, he is kinda shy. The best way to make him notice you is by drawing an upside-down star of david on your chest and crucify kittens. Or so I've heard.
<..<

Ah, well, my place is about a kilometer from here and it's close to 0 degrees, so I had other reasons...

My desktop thingy shows seven. But rain. I'll take its word for it.

But zero in Uppsala?

I don't do the help.
Oh neither do I...but I am willing to make exceptions, ever so rarely. :)

Oh neither do I...but I am willing to make exceptions, ever so rarely. :)

Even if I were so inclined, I am awaiting some, ahem, test results, so celibacy is crucial. :\

My desktop thingy shows seven. But rain. I'll take its word for it.

But zero in Uppsala?
What? No, I live in northern västmanland/southern dalarna... up on a damn mountain or something, freezing as hell anyways.

What? No, I live in northern västmanland/southern dalarna... up on a damn mountain or something, freezing as hell anyways.

:eek:

Stackars liten. I am so fixated on Mälardalen. So, umm, I'm thinking somewhere Åre.

Even if I were so inclined, I am awaiting some, ahem, test results, so celibacy is crucial. :\
How unfortunate...what kind of tests?

:eek:

Stackars liten. I am so fixated on Mälardalen. So, umm, I'm thinking somewhere Åre.
No, Norberg, in between Fagersta and Avesta (poor guidelines, but it's the best I can do).

What? No, I live in northern västmanland/southern dalarna... up on a damn mountain or something, freezing as hell anyways.
I envy thee.

How unfortunate...what kind of tests?

The bodily fluid contagion kind.

I envy thee.
Why is that?

No, Norberg, in between Fagersta and Avesta (poor guidelines, but it's the best I can do).

This it? (http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?address=&city=Norberg&state=V%e4stmanlands%20L%e4n&zipcode=&country=SE&title=%3cb%3eNorberg%2c%20V%e4stmanlands%20L%e4n%20SE%3c%2fb%3e&cid=lfmaplink2&name=) Tiny, but not too far off.

Why is that?
I love the cold...especially the kind harboured in the midst of mountains.

The bodily fluid contagion kind.
And thee, I envy not.

Yeah, he is kinda shy. The best way to make him notice you is by drawing an upside-down star of david on your chest and crucify kittens. Or so I've heard.
<..<

How can a star of David be upside down?

This is really the burning question.

Does God think there is a you?

Answer as you see fit. There will be no poll as polls are against my religion.
Nah. I don't exist, just like nothing in this world exists. We're all figments of a/some VERY screwed up god's/gods' imagination(s).

And thee, I envy not.

Meh, I'm not concerned at all. It's part of life and being responsible.

How can a star of David be upside down?
Er... damn I meant crooked, so there's one point downwards...

Fass: Yes, that is it. We've got more trees than civilization here.

Europa Maxima: It's been a cold year (lowest was about -25C I think), but we've got about 0C in the midst of summer, so no problems really...

Edit: That's 30C in the summer, not 0 :p

The bodily fluid contagion kind.

*wishes for good test results*

Er... damn I meant crooked, so there's one point downwards...

Doesn't it normally have a point downwards, what with six points?

Did you mean an inverted pentacle?

Meh, I'm not concerned at all. It's part of life and being responsible.
I hope your tests come out well then.

Doesn't it normally have a point downwards, what with six points?

Did you mean an inverted pentacle?
Man that died! I'm feeling so stupid right now... *Turns on Teletubbies* Tinkie-Winkie...Dipsie...Lala...Poe!

He damn sure better or I will lay the smite-down on his candy ass.:D

This is really the burning question.

Does God think there is a you?

Answer as you see fit. There will be no poll as polls are against my religion.
About as much as it thinks there is an anti-me.

Ahem. God believes that there is a me, although he realizes that all mes recognized by people everywhere are simply other forms of the true me.

<snip>


Let's continue this in the appropriate thread and not hijack this one...You can find my answer here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11043115&postcount=3891

Again, quite the feat!
Believing in fairy tales and pixies and four-armed man-elephants <snip>


Answered here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11043147&postcount=3896

If God has faith in me, then he's clearly not all-knowing, or just infinitely optimistic:p

Ahem. God believes that there is a me, although he realizes that all mes recognized by people everywhere are simply other forms of the true me.
Good answer. :)