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NEWS FLASH! Iraq war news!

PsychoticDan
26-05-2006, 18:17
If you're not sitting down, please do before you read this. I was absolutely shocked to read this and almost hyperventalated.

Well, it seems that George Bush and Tony Blair had a press conference and they said that the Iraq war is not going smoothly. I'm really sorry to have to break this news to you, but I thought you all should know.

Bush, Blair: Iraq war not as smooth as hoped (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/25/bush.blair/index.html)

Troops will come home when Iraq is ready, allied leaders say

Friday, May 26, 2006; Posted: 8:23 a.m. EDT (12:23 GMT)


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- British Prime Minister Tony Blair and President Bush acknowledged that the war in Iraq hasn't gone as smoothly as they had hoped, and as Bush dodged questions about withdrawing troops Blair said it's "possible" they could be replaced with Iraqi security forces by the end of 2007.

Standing shoulder-to-shoulder as they have throughout the Iraq war, Bush and Blair hailed the formation of a new Iraqi government as a turning point.

Blair visited Baghdad earlier this week. He was expected to brief Bush on his summit with Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki. They discussed a possible timetable for withdrawing multinational forces, comprising mostly U.S. and British troops.

Al-Maliki said Wednesday that Iraqi troops will be able to handle security in the country with additional training and equipment by the end of 2007. (Full story)

Blair said that was a possibility, but he and Bush concurred that it will be left to the "commanders on the ground" to decide when Iraqi troops are ready to take over security duties.

"We'll keep the force level there necessary to win," Bush said.

Those comments echoed those of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who spoke Thursday with CNN's Larry King. (Full story)

One impediment to reducing forces is that Iraq's national unity government has yet to appoint a defense minister, Bush said.

Both leaders said that the insurgency in Iraq only strengthens their resolve to quash the terrorists and remain in Iraq until the country can govern and defend itself.

Regarding his trip to Baghdad, Blair said, "I came away thinking the challenge is still immense, but I also came away more certain than ever that we should rise to it."

Blair added, "I think it's easy to go back over mistakes that we may have made, but the biggest reason why Iraq has been difficult is the determination by our opponents to defeat us."

Bush shared some of his regrets in how he handled the war in Iraq, namely that he wishes he hadn't told the terrorists to "bring it on."

"I think in certain parts of the world it was misinterpreted," Bush said, adding that he has learned how to express himself in a more "sophisticated" manner.

He also said he regretted the abuse by U.S. troops of prisoners at Abu Ghraib. However, he was quick to point out, the perpetrators of those crimes were brought to justice, something that wouldn't have happened under Saddam Hussein's regime.

Bush conceded that everything has not always gone as planned, especially after "liberation," but he insisted, "We've learned from our mistakes, adjusted our methods and have built on our successes."

Blair is expected use the second day of his visit to make a long-awaited foreign policy speech about the need to overhaul multinational institutions, such as the United Nations and World Bank, set up after World War II.

Blair's official spokesman said the White House talks also would cover the controversy over Iran's nuclear program and the Middle East peace process.

Both face declining ratings
Robin Oakley, CNN's European political editor, said: "We have two leaders here with their backs against the wall -- both of them with polls plummeting because of what they've done in Iraq.(Watch how Iraq has influenced the two leaders' ratings -- 2:33)

"If they had just repeated the same old line that they did everything right, I don't think they would have won respect anywhere. What we saw at this news conference was a kind of group therapy for the two of them. And they say confession is good for the soul.

"So we had President Bush saying some of his macho language had been wrong. We had Tony Blair acknowledging they had underestimated the determination of the insurgency. We had both of them saying 'we didn't' find those weapons of mass destruction we expected to find.'

"What they are doing now is fixing on the arrival of that new unity government as they call it in Baghdad, saying: 'OK things have changed, democracy is starting to work, now the rest of the world must join in and support these people.'" (Watch how Bush and Blair are bound by legacy -- 2:08)
Gargantua City State
26-05-2006, 18:21
Yeah, I saw this earlier on the news.
Just about had a heart attack.
I checked to make sure it wasn't April Fool's Day. ;)

I mean... wow... Bush and Blair admitting that there have been mistakes... unbelievable.
MuchoKookoo
26-05-2006, 18:23
its not really shocking to me.I knew Iraq was a Quagmire that was going to last at least till 2006 when Bush declared "Mission Acoomplished" in 2003.The only shocking part that was Bush admited he made a mistake.
Cluichstan
26-05-2006, 18:24
its not really shocking to me.I knew Iraq was a Quagmire that was going to last at least till 2006 when Bush declared "Mission Acoomplished" in 2003.

Wow...your user name should be Karnak. :rolleyes:
MuchoKookoo
26-05-2006, 18:25
What do you mean?:confused:
PsychoticDan
26-05-2006, 18:27
What do you mean?:confused:
Karnak was Johnny Carson's Swami-Psychic character. I think the comment was brought on by your apparent inability to understand sarcasm when you read it coupled with the fact that you are boasting about having known Iraq was a disaster at a time when most people on this board also knew.
IL Ruffino
26-05-2006, 18:28
Leave Bush and Blair alone :(
Supreme God Marconi
26-05-2006, 18:32
i think its about time they admit to making these huge mistakes
German Nightmare
26-05-2006, 18:35
"Bring it on!"

...and they delivered :p
Corneliu
26-05-2006, 18:36
This is news?
Jesuites
26-05-2006, 18:39
Funny people !
What's new?

The 2 clowns are only preparing the landscape for the next stage.
Would it be Iran?
Would it be North Korea?
Or Brittany?

These sons of s god admit their humanity with some little contrition for small errors.
God will better help them in the next performance, we know they act only with the advice of a god, a great god of peace and reason, a god of almighty, god what! You know...

Now let's pray we will find support for Mr Galloway and his snipers. http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=272859&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__international_news/

AMEN

The High Priest
- God is not my friend, I'm his friend -
IL Ruffino
26-05-2006, 18:40
i think its about time they admit to making these huge mistakes
and they are?
Mirchaz
26-05-2006, 18:42
This is news?
yes, considering no one would say they've done wrong until now.
Sumamba Buwhan
26-05-2006, 18:42
It's no secret that I can't stand Bush but I have to admit that I was proud of him for saying that he regrets the "Brign it on" comment, saying that it was childish and sent the wrong message.

oh, it's already been brought'n
Corneliu
26-05-2006, 18:43
yes, considering no one would say they've done wrong until now.

:rolleyes: no battle plan survives first contact with the eemy.
Mirchaz
26-05-2006, 18:45
no battle plan survives first contact with the eemy.no shit sherlock. but it also takes a man to admit when he's made mistakes.... and this admin hasn't until now.
Londim
26-05-2006, 18:47
Finally B&B admit their mistakes. You have to admire how they put their reputations on the line. But maybe their admitting it now because neither of them is running for another term in office. Bush can' because of the US constitution and Blair just knows its time to go.
Assis
26-05-2006, 18:49
O.k... So what they are saying is "we're sorry for our atrocities but we regret to inform you that the atrocities will continue until the end of 2007, at least."

Now that's reassuring...
Sumamba Buwhan
26-05-2006, 18:49
Finally B&B admit their mistakes. You have to admire how they put their reputations on the line. But maybe their admitting it now because neither of them is running for another term in office. Bush can' because of the US constitution and Blair just knows its time to go.

I think thats the thing... their reputations are horrible. They want that reputation on the line so that hopefully it will fall off.
Gargantua City State
26-05-2006, 19:03
:rolleyes: no battle plan survives first contact with the eemy.

My problem with this statement is that there shouldn't have been a battle in the first place. At least not based on the false reasons they gave.
Corneliu
26-05-2006, 19:06
My problem with this statement is that there shouldn't have been a battle in the first place. At least not based on the false reasons they gave.

Do I have to point out to you how wrong this statement is?
RLI Returned
26-05-2006, 19:09
:rolleyes: no battle plan survives first contact with the eemy.

Wait, we had a plan? :eek:
RLI Returned
26-05-2006, 19:09
Do I have to point out to you how wrong this statement is?

Well I'd like to hear why it's wrong, do enlighten us.
Corneliu
26-05-2006, 19:10
Well I'd like to hear why it's wrong, do enlighten us.

I've stated it in every thread when the phrase "False pretentions" comes up.
Non Aligned States
26-05-2006, 19:12
I've stated it in every thread when the phrase "False pretentions" comes up.

Without that WMD business, there wouldn't have been the support for a war to begin with Corny. Deny that all you want. Wouldn't change the truth of the fact that the whole WMD business was nothing more than a house of cards.

Besides, you're credibility is shit. You've never once delivered proof when it was demanded of you.
Corneliu
26-05-2006, 19:13
Without that WMD business, there wouldn't have been the support for a war to begin with Corny. Deny that all you want. Wouldn't change the truth of the fact that the whole WMD business was nothing more than a house of cards.

Actually..if he used human rights as his major issue and not WMD, he wouldn't have had the problems he did.
RLI Returned
26-05-2006, 19:13
I've stated it in every thread when the phrase "False pretentions" comes up.

So are you going to answer the question? You offered to explain so it's be nice if you did.
RLI Returned
26-05-2006, 19:15
Actually..if he used human rights as his major issue and not WMD, he wouldn't have had the problems he did.

So you admit that WMD were the main reason for invasion?

The original statement that you disputed was:

"My problem with this statement is that there shouldn't have been a battle in the first place. At least not based on the false reasons they gave."

How then do you disagree with that statement?
Non Aligned States
26-05-2006, 19:16
Actually..if he used human rights as his major issue and not WMD, he wouldn't have had the problems he did.

I don't hear human rights issues being used to push anything in areas where clear cut mass murders and other abuses are taking place. Do you?

No? Thought so.

Human rights is a convenient sob story to get some purse strings opened, but not enough to go to war. No politician would stake his career on that. Unless they're getting a big enough slice of the pie to do so.

No country has ever gone to war over human rights issues unless it was a smokescreen, and I don't expect it to ever do that so long as politicians make policy. If you think otherwise, you're a fool.
Corneliu
26-05-2006, 19:24
I don't hear human rights issues being used to push anything in areas where clear cut mass murders and other abuses are taking place. Do you?

No? Thought so.

Don't answer for me though I agree with you.

Human rights is a convenient sob story to get some purse strings opened, but not enough to go to war. No politician would stake his career on that. Unless they're getting a big enough slice of the pie to do so.

Ain't that the sad and sorry truth :(

No country has ever gone to war over human rights issues unless it was a smokescreen, and I don't expect it to ever do that so long as politicians make policy. If you think otherwise, you're a fool.

I have to agree with you yet again.
Non Aligned States
26-05-2006, 19:28
I have to agree with you yet again.

Arrgh! Corny agreed with me not once, but twice! The apocalypse is near! :p
Corneliu
26-05-2006, 19:30
Arrgh! Corny agreed with me not once, but twice! The apocalypse is near! :p

The signs aren't there yet :-P
Yossarian Lives
26-05-2006, 19:30
I'm sure Blair has said similar things in the past though hasn't he? He never played it like Bush with the nail your colours to the mast mentality. Like when they had the Question Time special, he said something to that effect. Maybe not to the same extent, or to the same detail about what exactly went wrong.
Nodinia
26-05-2006, 19:54
:rolleyes: no battle plan survives first contact with the eemy.

Or the recruiting sergeant....

:
Actually..if he used human rights as his major issue and not WMD, he wouldn't have had the problems he did..

Actually, he would have. There are myriad human rights abusers yet no rush to "liberate" those countries who suffer under them. Azerbaijan is a dictatorship yet backed by the west and barely mentioned. Uzbekistan only drew censure since it left the "Coalition for killing". Burman has been the scene of ethnic cleansing, political repression and chemical weapon use. No dash off there with the fate of the "free world" apparently hanging in the balance.
New Zero Seven
26-05-2006, 20:36
Well at least the Bush and Tonyboy have come to their senses.
Yootopia
26-05-2006, 21:07
Leave Bush and Blair alone :(
Why? They're wankers.
Ollinore
27-05-2006, 02:23
Funny thing is, Bush has admitted he's been wrong. But hey, I'm probably the only liberal who likes Bush. *ducks as things fly at him*

:headbang: <--That's how I feel trying to persuade most of my liberal friends of admitting anything good about bush.

:S
Chellis
27-05-2006, 02:36
Yes, Im sure with additional training and equipment, iraqi troops will be able to do the job that americans can barely do at the moment.

Just like Vietnam.
Szanth
27-05-2006, 02:59
Bush isn't the right person for this job.

We never should've gone in in the first place, but now that we're in, we're between a fuck and a hard place, and Bush isn't capable of getting us out. Hopefully whoever we elect in 2008 will be slightly more intelligent and moral.
Assis
27-05-2006, 14:43
Bush isn't the right person for this job.

We never should've gone in in the first place, but now that we're in, we're between a fuck and a hard place, and Bush isn't capable of getting us out. Hopefully whoever we elect in 2008 will be slightly more intelligent and moral.
Well, it ain't difficult to pick someone a bit more intelligent than Bush...
Daistallia 2104
27-05-2006, 15:46
This is news?

That George W. "only my underlings make mistakes" Bush is finally admiting he screwed up majorly is certainly news.

no battle plan survives first contact with the eemy.

That most emphatically does not excuse a plan that was already screwed up by GWB, Rummy, and Co.
Corneliu
27-05-2006, 15:49
That George W. "only my underlings make mistakes" Bush is finally admiting he screwed up majorly is certainly news.

Since he already has admitted mistakes, no this is not news.

That most emphatically does not excuse a plan that was already screwed up by GWB, Rummy, and Co.

As I said..no plan survives first contact with the enemy.