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I went on their website cause I heard some stuff about them and I was reading some stuff on there. They seem kinda like, whats the word Im looking for, oh yeah, Nazis. What do you Brits think of them? Are a big party over there, or do people just laugh and throw things at them?

I went on their website cause I heard some stuff about them and I was reading some stuff on there. They seem kinda like, whats the word Im looking for, oh yeah, Nazis. What do you Brits think of them? Are a big party over there, or do people just laugh and throw things at them?

They are in a small minoritey and most people don't take them that seriously, hehe and we may even have some of their leaders ending up in jail pretty soon. Allthough they do seem to gain one or two seats a year.

The BNP are my best friends, seriously. I want their babies.

Yeah, people generally throw stuff and laugh at them..

But some people say "I'm not happy with the government I voted in, so I'm gonna show that I CAN vote for someone else,." This is just to prove a point and means they MAY gather seats in local councils, but in the long run this doesn't really matter, as people go back to the real parties in the Government elections.

And NO, this isn't the first year they've been around.

Most people I've ever heard talking about them despise them; they're seen as nasty, racist twats. However, they can't be hated as much as they probably should be as their electoral popularity has risen. For example, they doubled their seats (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4974870.stm) in the most recent England/Wales council elections. I suspect part of that is a knock-on effect of the shambles that are the three main parties in the UK, but far from all of it.

Luckily for us in NI, they've not stood for election here to date, and to the best of my knowledge don't even exist in the Province. Personally, I'd like to see the lot of them burn in hell (were I to believe in said place's existence).

Liasia']The BNP are my best friends, seriously. I want their babies.
I want their babies to. It's far more effective to attack their family...

Mostly people laugh at them/ are terrified tby them/wonder how they occasionally get elected/are comforted byt he fact that thye get slapped back down pretty quickly.

It is depressing how they've got two seats (have they? I don't know. correct me if I'm wrong.), ahead of the greens, though.

Sorry. Weeee bit drunk.

But yes. They're basically a laughing stock. A bunch of fascist throwbacks. They get the fear votes though, and there's a lot of people to appeal to in a fear culture.

I want their babies to. It's far more effective to attack their family...

Far more effective to not vote for them *grumble*stupidpublic*grumble*

BNP are just racists, most people here have very little time for the Nazi-esque views of the BNP. Last I heard both Tony Blair and David Cameron were telling voters that whoever they vote for just don't vote BNP.:mp5:

The BNP have been around in one form or another for a long time.
Honestly I have never seen anyone laugh at them or throw things at them. A lot of people underestemate them, syaing things much like

Yeah, people generally throw stuff and laugh at them..


Also people will blanketly refuse to believe anything they are saying might be true. (even if it is). Which in my opinion is just as downright stupid as some of what the BNP are saying.

Luckily for us in NI, they've not stood for election here to date, and to the best of my knowledge don't even exist in the Province. Personally, I'd like to see the lot of them burn in hell (were I to believe in said place's existence).

Yeah, but we get the DUP just to make sure we don't lose out on our daily serving of bigotry.

The BNP have been around in one form or another for a long time.
Honestly I have never seen anyone laugh at them or throw things at them. A lot of people underestemate them, syaing things much like



Also people will blanketly refuse to believe anything they are saying might be true. (even if it is). Which in my opinion is just as downright stupid as some of what the BNP are saying.
So are you saying you support them? And what do you mean when you said some things might be true?

Liasia']Far more effective to not vote for them *grumble*stupidpublic*grumble*
Let them vote for them. when the babies are mine, they will do as I say! MUAHAHAH... Er, carry on.

Also people will blanketly refuse to believe anything they are saying might be true. (even if it is). Which in my opinion is just as downright stupid as some of what the BNP are saying.
Please, tell me what they have said that is true. As far as I can work out, the Bloody Nutters Party spouts a load of bigoted tosh, but hey...:rolleyes:

Well, considering that they're from the lunatic fringe of the right wing, and virulently homophobic, it's pretty hilarious that one of their so-called brighter lights directed and, er, performed in a gay porn movie named HMS Discovery: A Love Story, which is also described on another website, apparently, as "Marxist".

His name is Richard Barnbrook, and he was the BNP candidate for Barking (as in "barking mad") in a recent election. Of course, by now we all know that people on the right are huge fucking hypocrites. But rarely has the hypocrisy been so damned FUNNY!

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0,,1772052,00.html

Yeah, but we get the DUP just to make sure we don't lose out on our daily serving of bigotry.True that. Some bigots are inevitable in politics, I suppose, but it's sad when a country's biggest party is apparently based on bigotry (at least at a regional/national level).

Also people will blanketly refuse to believe anything they are saying might be true. (even if it is). Which in my opinion is just as downright stupid as some of what the BNP are saying.Yea. I mean, not celebrating a bunch of violently insane Nazis for getting the odd fact straight, is just wrong. It'd be like not celebrating Bush or Bin Laden for occationally saying something slightly rational...
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The BNP are generally not very popular at all in Britain in general, and are viewed as extremely nationalist and racist. They usually get a pretty bad record in the British Press and, in my opinion, are loonier than the Raving Loony Party (Anarchists). They don't have any seats in the Scottish or British Parliament, but do have 53 council seats.

The BNP are a collective of some of the most stupid hypocritical racist in Britain. One of their slogans was "we're not rascist we're British". That gives a bad name to everyone in Britain. All mainstream politicians are against as are the majority of the British Public. If they ever got into power (not likely. Thank you first past the post system:D ) I'd leave. The BNP councilers et their seat in elections but never actually turn up to council meetings. And they call main stream parties stupid.

The BNP are generally not very popular at all in Britain in general, and are viewed as extremely nationalist and racist. They usually get a pretty bad record in the British Press and, in my opinion, are loonier than the Raving Loony Party (Anarchists). They don't have any seats in the Scottish or British Parliament, but do have 53 council seats.

And remember thats 53 out of about 2000. Although they'll never mention that fact will they?

And yet, it is foolish to discount them entirely. Denmark (small country in Scandinavia, close to Britain) had its own BNP clone in the not too distant past. That party, along with another nationalist party, merged with an offshoot of the Danish populist party, and the resulting DF party (Danish People's Party) is now the government's supporting party & pretty much dictates things like immigration policy & wields enormous power.

Seeing the skyrocketing popularity of the BNP at the moment, something similar may well happen some day.

Though everybody knows they're full of shit, it's important not to simply ignore them.

Oddly enough, a couple of years ago a black woman stood for the BNP in a council election, although I forget where.

Bizarre.

Oddly enough, a couple of years ago a black woman stood for the BNP in a council election, although I forget where.

Bizarre.

I looked up hypocrite in a dictionary, it listed the BNP and PETA as examples.

BNP. That's rich. The British National Party standing for anti-multi-culturalism and racial superiority? Hah! What culture and race notions do we even have beyond those that people bring into our country? What sense of national pride does anyone have in Britain?

We don't give a damn about what our national race or culture is as long as we're free to ignore such ideas; that is what it is now to be British. In seeking to take this from us, the BNP is stripping the British of our primary distinguishing trait!

Some national party.

Oddly enough, a couple of years ago a black woman stood for the BNP in a council election, although I forget where.

Well, they try to canvass those of other racial backgrounds to not look rascist, trying to say they are only concerned with the collapse of British "culture". You know, "My some of my best friends are black but..." kind of thing. radio programme about them had a asian immigrant who was persuaded to possibly vote for them

Doubt they bring up the fact they want all of those who are not white, no matter whether they were even born here, shipped out of the country.

But basically, yes they are a bunch of rascist fucks. And any of their non-rascist policies are just stupid and poorly thought out.

So they are stupid rascist fucks, who unfortunately in certain areas have more support than they should.

Personally I would really like to kick Nick Griffin (erm... is that is name...? I have forgotton) repeatedly in the nuts until they are mushed shit.

BNP. That's rich. The British National Party standing for anti-multi-culturalism and racial superiority? Hah! What culture and race notions do we even have beyond those that people bring into our country? What sense of national pride does anyone have in Britain?

We don't give a damn about what our national race or culture is as long as we're free to ignore such ideas; that is what it is now to be British. In seeking to take this from us, the BNP is stripping the British of our primary distinguishing trait!

Some national party.

I have British Pride, along with everyone in my school, we learnt about our history, people in the armed forces have pride...

And how can you say Britain doesn't have culture?
What about all the old market squares? Our food? Our designer clothes?

London , 21st February 2006 – Britain is the world’s top nation brand, according to the latest Anholt Nation Brands Index (NBI) created by nation branding expert Simon Anholt and powered by GMI (Global Market Insite, Inc.), a global market intelligence solutions provider. Switzerland and Canada are placed second and third respectively in the overall ranking, which was based on a survey of 25,907 people in 35 countries. This fourth global NBI survey polled respondents worldwide about how they view a country’s culture, people, and appeal as a place to visit, invest in or migrate to

Later on...

The NBI also measured how respondents from other countries perceive people from other countries. UK citizens were considered to be the most polite, most boring and best educated. The French were seen as the rudest and Americans were viewed as the most ignorant and ambitious.

Well...2 outta 3 ain't bad. Lol

And yeah, I'm against the bnp (I'm not even gonna give them the implied importance of capital letters)

I have British Pride, along with everyone in my school, we learnt about our history, people in the armed forces have pride...

And how can you say Britain doesn't have culture?
What about all the old market squares? Our food? Our designer clothes?

And yeah, I'm against the bnp (I'm not even gonna give them the implied importance of capital letters)
What food? What clothes? We have fish and chips and Kebabs. We have Tartan. With the exception of some very nice architecture, that's pretty much it. Our history doesn't exactly paint us in a positive light. And everywhere in the world has markets.

The only British identity is one of location. That's it. There is nothing else to what we are; anyone can come here and become part of us.

Oddly enough, a couple of years ago a black woman stood for the BNP in a council election, although I forget where.

Bizarre.

That's unlikely as they don't allow non-whites to join their party. Maybe you’re thinking of the one who was half-Turkish?

I'll be voting BNP. The mainstream partes are content to ignore issues like immigration, so who else is there to vote for?

I'll be voting BNP. The mainstream partes are content to ignore issues like immigration, so who else is there to vote for?

Then your being suckered in. A vote for the BNP isn't a vote AGAINST anybody, its a vote FOR hatred and vitriol.

UK citizens were considered to be the most polite, most boring and best educated.

I love this... excellent, the most boring nationality in the world. Excellent. Ah well... doesnt really suprise me much though... except the most polite.

I'll be voting BNP. The mainstream partes are content to ignore issues like immigration, so who else is there to vote for?

Well, if the only party you can bring yourself to vote for is the BNP, then you shouldnt vote.

And if you want a rascist policy, why dont you vote for the Tories? They were making lots of nods and winks in your kind of direction at the last election.

Then your being suckered in. A vote for the BNP isn't a vote AGAINST anybody, its a vote FOR hatred and vitriol.
Far right successes in places like Denmark and the Netherlands have successfully forced their governments to confront issues like immigration and the faliures of multiculturalism. Why on earth wouldn't I vote BNP?

Well, if the only party you can bring yourself to vote for is the BNP, then you shouldnt vote.

And if you want a rascist policy, why dont you vote for the Tories? They were making lots of nods and winks in your kind of direction at the last election.
The Tories will spout their anti-immigration rhetoric but do nothing about it when the time comes. Like New Labour, they represent big business. Big business likes its cheap labour source.

I went on their website cause I heard some stuff about them and I was reading some stuff on there. They seem kinda like, whats the word Im looking for, oh yeah, Nazis. What do you Brits think of them? Are a big party over there, or do people just laugh and throw things at them?
They're shitbags, but the situation here is probably comparable to that of mid-'20's Germany. We joke about them ruling, but they're actually gaining in power all of the time, sadly.

But hopefully they won't be in charge in eight or so year's time. I really, really hope not.

I'll be voting BNP. The mainstream partes are content to ignore issues like immigration, so who else is there to vote for?
Yes, because the immigrants are really destroying this Country...:rolleyes:
Yeesh...
Immigration really isn't that bad, and any way we need it. Falling birth rates, decreasing class sizes, none of this mean anything to you?

Far right successes in places like Denmark and the Netherlands have successfully forced their governments to confront issues like immigration and the faliures of multiculturalism. Why on earth wouldn't I vote BNP?


The Tories will spout their anti-immigration rhetoric but do nothing about it when the time comes. Like New Labour, they represent big business. Big business likes its cheap labour source.

Far right successes in other countries have been by parties that actually do something. When the BNP became the minority party on Oldham District Council they urned up to 1 meeting. One. If you feel that strongly abpout politics then join a mainstream party and get involved. Make a difference. Don't be fooled by these people. They don't want a sensible immigration policy, they just don't like people who arn't white.

Far right successes in places like Denmark and the Netherlands have successfully forced their governments to confront issues like immigration and the faliures of multiculturalism. Why on earth wouldn't I vote BNP?

Multiculturalism isn't a failure, and immigration isn't a problem. If there was no immigration, Britain's population would be falling quite rapidly.

And the BNP will force everyone to own and maintain an assault rifle. I don't really want that. That will lead to deaths as people take out people that they don't like because it'll be easy to do so.

A vote for the BNP is a vote for corporal punishment, racism and ignorance as government policy. Why would you want that?

Many BNP leaders have been accused of racist remarks and being inolved in racsist brawls. The BNP is offspring from british facsists. It is a horrible thing when people are swayed by such racsist lowlifes. They seem to take advantage of poor whites who don't know better. If you actually look into it you will find the UKIP the perfect, less racsist alternative to these facsists. They preach the same thing, but in a better way.

Many BNP leaders have been accused of racist remarks and being inolved in racsist brawls. The BNP is offspring from british facsists. It is a horrible thing when people are swayed by such racsist lowlifes. They seem to take advantage of poor whites who don't know better. If you actually look into it you will find the UKIP the perfect, less racsist alternative to these facsists. They preach the same thing, but in a better way.
UKIP are little better. They have very few policies other than "piss off Europe for shits and giggles".

Many BNP leaders have been accused of racist remarks and being inolved in racsist brawls. The BNP is offspring from british facsists. It is a horrible thing when people are swayed by such racsist lowlifes. They seem to take advantage of poor whites who don't know better. If you actually look into it you will find the UKIP the perfect, less racsist alternative to these facsists. They preach the same thing, but in a better way.

I never could take them seriously after Kilroy Silk:headbang:

Far right successes in places like Denmark and the Netherlands have successfully forced their governments to confront issues like immigration and the faliures of multiculturalism.

Which rather than get rid of the threat of the far right have just encouraged them. The only way to defeat them is to oppose them, not pander to them. Not that you personally want them defeated, but I just wish the other parties would get it... you cannot get rid of the BNP by agreeing with some of what they say... that just encourages them.

And interestingly, the whole thing about the possible break through of the BNP. The Greens got roughly as many new seats in the latest local council elections as the BNP, but no one is stalking about them making a break through.

Though they are still worrying.

And how the fuck did they get away with not being rascist in that court case? Its their thing! Its what they are! How can you not find them rascist?

These National Front was responsible for makin g first nazi skinheads in the 70's. For their fault most people think all skins are nazis.
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I never could take them seriously after Kilroy Silk:headbang:
You could take them seriously before?

You could take them seriously before?

Well I sometimes thought they had a point about unelected European Commissioners making laws affecting us, but apart from that, no, your right.

Yes, because the immigrants are really destroying this Country...:rolleyes:
Yeesh...
Immigration really isn't that bad, and any way we need it. Falling birth rates, decreasing class sizes, none of this mean anything to you?
I don't want this country turned into an even bigger shithole than it's becoming, which is what happens whenever a town is overrun with immigrants (Or those who have descended from immgrants while still hanging onto their backward cultures). I'm sure there are initiatives that could be introduced to increase birth rates. And if the government wasn't able to get away with letting more immigrants in, it would be forced to face up to these possibilities.

Far right successes in other countries have been by parties that actually do something. When the BNP became the minority party on Oldham District Council they urned up to 1 meeting. One. If you feel that strongly abpout politics then join a mainstream party and get involved. Make a difference. Don't be fooled by these people. They don't want a sensible immigration policy, they just don't like people who arn't white.
There's no point in joining the mainstream parties as they're unreformable. They're in the pockets of big business and only care about their own personal power and prestige. The leadership certainly wouldn't want to rock the boat, I'm sure they're happy as things are. As for the BNP, I'm fully aware what they're like.

Multiculturalism isn't a failure, and immigration isn't a problem.
If you'd ever lived in a northern town with a large muslim Asian community, like I did for most of my life, I doubt you'd be thinking that way.

If there was no immigration, Britain's population would be falling quite rapidly.
As I said, there most be other ways.

And the BNP will force everyone to own and maintain an assault rifle. I don't really want that. That will lead to deaths as people take out people that they don't like because it'll be easy to do so.
The Swiss seem to do a similar thing successfully.

A vote for the BNP is a vote for corporal punishment, racism and ignorance as government policy. Why would you want that?
Sometimes you have to give the establishment a shock.

Many BNP leaders have been accused of racist remarks and being inolved in racsist brawls. The BNP is offspring from british facsists. It is a horrible thing when people are swayed by such racsist lowlifes. They seem to take advantage of poor whites who don't know better. If you actually look into it you will find the UKIP the perfect, less racsist alternative to these facsists. They preach the same thing, but in a better way.
Firstly I know the BNP are a bunch of criminals, but does that make them really that much different from the mainstream parties? The difference is that the parties of government send people out to do their dirty work, while the BNP aren't afraid to get down and dirty. As for UKIP, they're a bunch of irellevant old fogies who will never be of any consequence to anyone. Plus they seem a little too economically right wing and capitalist for my liking.

I don't want this country turned into an even bigger shithole than it's becoming, which is what happens whenever a town is overrun with immigrants (Or those who have descended from immgrants while still hanging onto their backward cultures). I'm sure there are initiatives that could be introduced to increase birth rates. And if the government wasn't able to get away with letting more immigrants in, it would be forced to face up to these possibilities.



But, on technicality, we're all immigrants.
Immigration doesn't cause the harm you are espousing it, that is caused by individuals within society. Are you saying we had no crime in this Country before immigrants?

As for the birth rates, how, please pray tell, do you increase birth rates without changing the way in which society as a whole thinks about women and their place in society?

A vote for the BNP is a vote for corporal punishment, racism and ignorance as government policy. Why would you want that?

Exactly. They're also anti-democratic. Taken from the 2005 General Election manifesto:

Conscientious objectors who refuse to undertake military service would be allocated other constructive work for the community, but would not receive the citizen's right to be armed, or the right to vote.

So, basically, if you don't do what the BNP government tells you because you don't believe it's the right thing to do, you lose your right to vote. How the hell can someone take these people seriously when they are a threat to our freedom? I just don't understand people sometimes. Go read their manifestos - I'm sure it'll change your mind if you had any temptation to vote for them (either in the past or, more importantly, in the future).

"Service guarentees citizenship"....

The British National Party are a bunch of nutters, lets go on a good old nazi lynchin.

I suggest you read of their policies on disabled or people unfit for work. It's shocking

I went on their website cause I heard some stuff about them and I was reading some stuff on there. They seem kinda like, whats the word Im looking for, oh yeah, Nazis. What do you Brits think of them? Are a big party over there, or do people just laugh and throw things at them?

We think **** all of them they suck.

This question shouldnt be put up on Nation States, since this forum as we all know is home to leftists, drug users,sexual perverts,communists,marxists, etc etc(there are exceptions, but they are few and far between)

So of course any political party thats even slightly more right then the center will recieve an overwhelmingly negative response here.

Its like going to www.stormfront.org and asking the people there what they think about a marxist party. :rolleyes:

Just to clear up, I know so much about this because I am very freedo of speech so have followed the Griffin case very closely.

So are you saying you support them? And what do you mean when you said some things might be true?

Some things they said are true. Nick Griffin said it said in the Koran to destroy all Christians and Jews who will not convert to Islam. He was shouted down and called a racist. It does actualy say this in the Koran.
The debate is that obviously not all muslims are going to do it and he is implying they will.

They're shitbags, but the situation here is probably comparable to that of mid-'20's Germany. We joke about them ruling, but they're actually gaining in power all of the time, sadly.

No it isn't at all. There are not regular street fights and murders between the BNP and the SWP. They do not raid each others party headquarters and meetings and beat the occupents up. Neither has attempted a revolution. Neither holds any seats in parliament. The BNP has no SA or SS. And as far as I know no one in their right mind would joke about the Nazis getting into power, nor does anyone joke about the BNP getting into power.

And the BNP will force everyone to own and maintain an assault rifle. I don't really want that. That will lead to deaths as people take out people that they don't like because it'll be easy to do so.

No they won't. They will give retired and serving soldiers the option of keeping their service rifle at home so they can give aid in dangerous situations. They will also relax the laws on attacking intruders.

And interestingly, the whole thing about the possible break through of the BNP. The Greens got roughly as many new seats in the latest local council elections as the BNP, but no one is stalking about them making a break through.

Actualy I believe the Greens got 30 more than the BNP. But they (IIRC) did not gain as many as the BNP. They allready had most.

But, on technicality, we're all immigrants.

I'm not. My family ancestry is English as far as it can be traced back.

Some things they said are true. Nick Griffin said it said in the Koran to destroy all Christians and Jews who will not convert to Islam. He was shouted down and called a racist. It does actualy say this in the Koran.

No it doesnt. Islamic law says people who convert out of Islam should be killed, but that other people that believe the Judep-Chrto-Islamic god should be left alone (though treated like second class citizens).

While this is not acceptable either, it doesnt ask for their destruction, as they believe in the same god.


I'm not. My family ancestry is English as far as it can be traced back.

How far back is that? right back to the first immigration of human beings to Britain 10,000 years ago? No Roman in you? NO Celt? No Viking? NO Anglo-Saxon? No Norman? British people by definition must be decended from immigrants.

But, on technicality, we're all immigrants.
Speak for yourself. I was born here, my parents were been born here and all my family, as far back as our records go were born here. Now I know you're going to come out with the usual 'nation of immigrants' bollocks (This isn't the US), but the waves of settlers to this country was more of a gradual process by other European cultures who assimilated. It wasn't seeing our country rapidly colonised by muslims who'll turn us into an islamic state as soon as they get into the majority..

Immigration doesn't cause the harm you are espousing it, that is caused by individuals within society. Are you saying we had no crime in this Country before immigrants?
I'm afraid I don't subscribe to this 100% individualism, a community has to be held responsible for the damage that is largely caused directly by them. And I'm not saying we had no crime, just less.

As for the birth rates, how, please pray tell, do you increase birth rates without changing the way in which society as a whole thinks about women and their place in society?
I won't pretend I have much knowledge on that subject, but I believe it must be possible. One thing's for sure, any method of naturally increasing our population has to be preferable to letting more immigrants in.

This question shouldnt be put up on Nation States, since this forum as we all know is home to leftists, drug users,sexual perverts,communists,marxists, etc etc(there are exceptions, but they are few and far between)

So of course any political party thats even slightly more right then the center will recieve an overwhelmingly negative response here.

Its like going to www.stormfront.org and asking the people there what they think about a marxist party. :rolleyes:

Hmmmm, how amusing. Or, you know, not. Goddamn neonazis. The BNP are scum; pure and utter bastards. Nothing less. Should they ever get into power, it is my contention that would never let go of it. How people can vote for them is beyond me, given what they represent; have British people really forgotten that they represent exactly what we fought against just 60 years ago?

If the BNP ever get into power, I will no longer stay in this country; it will no longer be the Britain I know and love. That is if they let me leave; if not, I'll do all in my power to fight the racist bigots.

That is if they let me leave; if not, I'll do all in my power to fight the racist bigots.
And I shall join you comrade! We will revive the White Rose and cripple the Nazi government!

Genuinely serious here. BNP get any amount of power and I reform the Edelweiss Pirates.

If the BNP ever get into power, I will no longer stay in this country; it will no longer be the Britain I know and love.
Tell me, what is it about this Britain you know and love? Smackheads shooting up in playgrounds? Schools becoming warzones? Chavs wandering the streets commiting petty crime? People not being able to walk around at night through fear of being mugged or killed? Muslims turning areas of northern towns into their own islamic enclaves while making the lives of the remaining indiginous population hell and grooming white girls for prostitution? Immigrants sucking our country dry through dole that's paid by the average taxpayer? Islamists walking the streets with impunity, safe in the knowledge they can't be sent back home to face what they deserve?

Yes, what a fantastic country we live in.

Tell me, what is it about this Britain you know and love? Smackheads shooting up in playgrounds? Schools becoming warzones? Chavs wandering the streets commiting petty crime? People not being able to walk around at night through fear of being mugged or killed? Muslims turning areas of northern towns into their own islamic enclaves while making the lives of the remaining indiginous population hell and grooming white girls for prostitution? Immigrants sucking our country dry through dole that's paid by the average taxpayer? Islamists walking the streets with impunity, safe in the knowledge they can't be sent back home to face what they deserve?

Yes, what a fantastic country we live in.

Jesus Christ, you sound like the Daily Mail. Yes, those things happen, but they are a minority of things in this country. I too used to be like you; then I stopped reading the Daily Mail and stopped believing that rubbish. I mean, jesus, the Mail could make Yoghurt sound like it was the next thing to bring Britain to its knees.

The Britain I know and love is the Britain that has its broad history, its culture. The Garden of England, Kent - where I live in. A place where democracy still exists (Albeit in a slightly retarded version at the moment), and where its history is still to be seen, in its monuments and historic buildings. Where people venerate Churchill and Cromwell and Brunel. Where people celebrate England in the World Cup, and people still support our Cricket team, even if we do always lose.

Yes, Britain has its dark side, but so do all countries, and there are many, many worse countries. Britain may not be all puppies and kisses, but its still a damn good place to live in.

And I shall join you comrade! We will revive the White Rose and cripple the Nazi government!

Genuinely serious here. BNP get any amount of power and I reform the Edelweiss Pirates.

Damn straight. Since I have all the physical strength of a small ant, I'd be more suited to printing leaflets and being a courier and stuff, but I'd still do all I can.

Someone needs to make the point that most historical records were destroyed when Henry VIII and John Wyclife reformed the church in the mid 16th century. So everyone saying "I'm English as far back as records go" - really only means that they're ancestry goes back a few centuries.

That said I don't think the fact that "we are all immigrants" mean that someone is going to fail to distinguish between a first generation Algerian immigrant, and a 39th generation 'immigrant' with a bit of Nordic blood in them.

I think multiculturalism is a failure and saying that doesn't make me a racist. Remember after the 7/7 bombings there was all this talk about different "communities" - that in itself struck me as an admission of the racial and religious segregation that exists within our country. I do not believe there are easy solutions however, I think the problem lies largely in the crisis of national identity that Briton seems to be undergoing. I also believe that a vote for the BNP is a vote for ignorance, violence and racism.

Incidentally did anyone know that Nick Griffin refuses to claim that Briton was on the "right side" during the Second World War. As odious views go it's right up there with arguing that the extent of the Holocaust has been exaggerated, which, incidentally, is also one of his views.

I have all the physical strength of a small ant,

Your right about that in every way.

The British National Party are a bunch of nutters...
No they are not. They are a useless bunch of nutters...
I suggest you read of their policies on disabled or people unfit for work. It's shocking
Tell me about it. :mad:

*turns to Nick Griffin and starts shouting and spiting "HOW MANY TIMES DID I TELL YOU NOT TO MENTION THE DISABLED, YOU IMBECILE?"

Your right about that in every way.

Oh, good show. Going to start ranting about the Jews and Bolsheviks now? Or maybe 'Teh evil Mooslems?'

Good luck to you; I'm off to bed.

Now I know you're going to come out with the usual 'nation of immigrants' bollocks (This isn't the US), but the waves of settlers to this country was more of a gradual process by other European cultures who assimilated. It wasn't seeing our country rapidly colonised by muslims who'll turn us into an islamic state as soon as they get into the majority..



Yea right. Those Angles and Saxons politely applied for Celtic citizenship, bought some land off of friendly inhabitants and started to worship the native gods. Oh, and did I mention the process took 1000 years, with never more than the allowed quota per year admitted?
*leaves -Somewhere-'s world*

Blah blah blah
So just because something happened hundreds of years ago, that means it should have to happen now irrespective of its merits? If it's bad for the country now they shouldn't be allowed in, even if it has happened before. These are different times, so I don't see why we should be afraid of a different approach.

Your right about that in every way.

In "EVERY" way - are there a multitude of meanings to that statement that the rest of us are unaware of?

In "EVERY" way - are there a multitude of meanings to that statement that the rest of us are unaware of?Well.. Perhaps he meant Skinny can lift 40 times his own bodyweight? Or 40 times the weight of a small ant?

Still, I suspect Strasse just wanted to provoke. Personally, I think his time would be better spend trying to provoke his local AntiFa crew - Especially if he tells them to send me a tape of the result.

muslims who'll turn us into an islamic state as soon as they get into the majority...

Like thats going to happen any time soon. 2.5% of the British population. They are a tiny minority. And a minority of them want to turn Britain into an Islamic state... so, what do we have? Even if half of all Muslims in Britain are militant islamists, which is about as likely that 50% of all whites are supporters of the BNP/UKIP, we have about 750,000 extremist muslims... with a number I suspect more probably about 100,000 at most, if not just a few 10s of thousands.

Yes... they really represent a threat to Britain...

And count me in for any reformation of the Edelweiss Priates as well!

Well, considering that they're from the lunatic fringe of the right wing, and virulently homophobic, it's pretty hilarious that one of their so-called brighter lights directed and, er, performed in a gay porn movie named HMS Discovery: A Love Story, which is also described on another website, apparently, as "Marxist".

His name is Richard Barnbrook, and he was the BNP candidate for Barking (as in "barking mad") in a recent election. Of course, by now we all know that people on the right are huge fucking hypocrites. But rarely has the hypocrisy been so damned FUNNY!

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0,,1772052,00.html

It's not porn. It's ART :mad:

:p

Oddly enough, a couple of years ago a black woman stood for the BNP in a council election, although I forget where.

Bizarre.

They were probably short of member who were eligible to stand. For the benefit of those who didn't get yesterday's Private Eye.

BARKING MAD

Although media attention after the 4th May elections focused on the success of the far-right BNP in the London Borough of Barking and Dagenham, where 11 of its 13 candidates were elected, the truth is that the B&D was a missed opportunity for the fascists.

The BNP had wanted to field a full deck of 51 candidates but, alas, was unable to find sufficient local party members whose colourful pasts did not debar them from standing. Normally this means having no criminal conviction carrying a custodial sentense of three months or longer in the last five years; evidently a requirement that was too stringent for many BNP members.

The source for this information is none other thant Robert Buckley, one of the BNP's successful candidates in Barking. At the count Buckley boasted to everyone within earshot that si many local BNP members had murky pasts the party couldn't muster sufficient candidates to stand - a fact he seemed proud of.

Meanwhile local BNP leader Richard Barnbrook, former gay porn - sorry "art" - movie director, may yet face disqualification for having given false information. The "home" address Barnbrook gave was 5a London Road, Barking; yet the flat at that address is derelict.

It wasn't seeing our country rapidly colonised by muslims who'll turn us into an islamic state as soon as they get into the majority..

Do you have any proof that the majority of Muslims want this?

Do you even know how many Muslims are in the country?

I'm afraid I don't subscribe to this 100% individualism, a community has to be held responsible for the damage that is largely caused directly by them. And I'm not saying we had no crime, just less.


Proof?


So, basically, if you don't do what the BNP government tells you because you don't believe it's the right thing to do, you lose your right to vote. How the hell can someone take these people seriously when they are a threat to our freedom? I just don't understand people sometimes. Go read their manifestos - I'm sure it'll change your mind if you had any temptation to vote for them (either in the past or, more importantly, in the future).

Meh, they are just the latest in a long line of people who after watching Starship Troopers thought, "Hey, that's a great idea."

We get threads like that in general every now and then.

I don't want this country turned into an even bigger shithole than it's becoming, which is what happens whenever a town is overrun with immigrants (Or those who have descended from immgrants while still hanging onto their backward cultures). I'm sure there are initiatives that could be introduced to increase birth rates. And if the government wasn't able to get away with letting more immigrants in, it would be forced to face up to these possibilities.

This country is not a shithole. We have good, free, healthcare, excellent social welfare, clean running water, freedom to do pretty much as we choose, a good future economically, and a reliable government. We're one of the better off countries of the world.

There's no point in joining the mainstream parties as they're unreformable. They're in the pockets of big business and only care about their own personal power and prestige. The leadership certainly wouldn't want to rock the boat, I'm sure they're happy as things are.

Rock the boat by voting for the Marxist forum. Or the Greens, when they're pro-Europe. That's a far better option than essentially a vote for Nazism.

As for the BNP, I'm fully aware what they're like.

It's clear that you're not. Horribly, horribly clear.

If you'd ever lived in a northern town with a large muslim Asian community, like I did for most of my life, I doubt you'd be thinking that way.

Lived in Leeds, wasn't that bad. A lot of racism from the whites towards Asians, which is completely unacceptable. My family left a couple of weeks before the riots, actually, which was lucky.


The Swiss seem to do a similar thing successfully.

Their murder rate is astonshingly high, too.

Sometimes you have to give the establishment a shock.

Beating up children is not giving the establisment a shock. Employing more teachers so that children can get taught properly and succeed is giving the establishment a shock.

Firstly I know the BNP are a bunch of criminals, but does that make them really that much different from the mainstream parties? The difference is that the parties of government send people out to do their dirty work, while the BNP aren't afraid to get down and dirty.
If by that you mean cheerily beat the shit out of immigrants and brick their windows then yes.

Britain is a wonderful country.
A green and pleasant land.
I'm happy I live here.

And I would not want anything to change that.

We have no concentration-camps - and I don't want the BNP to introduce 'em.

We have no GULAG - and I don't want the Commies to introduce 'em.

We have a fairly-well-working NHS, and I don't want the Free Market Freaks to abolish the NHS.

Britain is a wonderful country.
A green and pleasant land.
I'm happy I live here.

And I would not want anything to change that.

We have no concentration-camps - and I don't want the BNP to introduce 'em.

We have no GULAG - and I don't want the Commies to introduce 'em.

We have a fairly-well-working NHS, and I don't want the Free Market Freaks to abolish the NHS.

I agree, I don't understand all of of these people that say we live in a shit country and it's getting worse.

Please spell out to me what is so bad about living here? Without recourse to media manipulated scares, if you would.

I agree, I don't understand all of of these people that say we live in a shit country and it's getting worse.

Please spell out to me what is so bad about living here? Without recourse to media manipulated scares, if you would.


Don't ask me what's wrong about this place.

I mean, I thank God every day I live here, warts and all.

Don't ask me what's wrong about this place.

I mean, I thank God every day I live here, warts and all.


I was agreeing with ya not asking ya, but you have warts, have you tried the old rubbing half a potato on it and burying it in the garden trick?:p

I was agreeing with ya not asking ya, but you have warts, have you tried the old rubbing half a potato on it and burying it in the garden trick?:p

Nah. I know this is a real shocker, but


I eat my potatoes!

I agree, I don't understand all of of these people that say we live in a shit country and it's getting worse.

Please spell out to me what is so bad about living here? Without recourse to media manipulated scares, if you would.
We don't live in a shit country.

We just don't have any sort of unified and exclusive cultural identity.

Which is a good thing, IMO, but some people think otherwise.

We don't live in a shit country.

We just don't have any sort of unified and exclusive cultural identity.

Which is a good thing, IMO, but some people think otherwise.


*grin*
I think that some people forget that a certain amount of vagueness ( aka liminal thinking ) is part and parcel of the British national character...

We don't live in a shit country.

We just don't have any sort of unified and exclusive cultural identity.

.

I don't belive that, you can't think of one thing that is sterotypicaly British? I bet you can.

I don't belive that, you can't think of one thing that is sterotypicaly British? I bet you can.


Cricket.
Church of England
NHS.
The Royal Navy.
Etonandharrow.
Polytechs.
Lordsladiesandknights.
BarmyUnions.

They're all part of the 'it' that makes this land green and pleasant.

I don't belive that, you can't think of one thing that is sterotypicaly British? I bet you can.
Not uniquely so. Things we identify with British people can be easily found elsewhere (with the ignored exception of football fanaticism).

Unless you want to include those aspects of Scottishness in with the British identity? There's a lot you could do with that.

EDIT: Actually, there is one real unique british thing I can think of; Croquet. I can't think of any other nation in the world that practices this really weird but quite cool sport.

How about arrogance, Empire, and tea?
How about the Commonwealth, civility, and bowler hats?

And so on. Our stereotypes are surprisingly positive given that we once ruled, well, about a third of the world's surface... "The sun will never set on the British Empire" et al...

How about arrogance, Empire, and tea?
How about the Commonwealth, civility, and bowler hats?

And so on. Our stereotypes are surprisingly positive given that we once ruled, well, about a third of the world's surface... "The sun will never set on the British Empire" et al...

:D :D :D

...bowler hats?
Oh, there's another one.

It still seems, though, that we're really just a collection of neat aspects of everywhere else. Then again, I suppose it's quite hard to tell how the rest of the world sees us.

That's because that's what our culture is; its a bastard mongrel of the rest of the world, like our language. And its why its lasted so long and isn't being edged out, unlike say the French

You know what ? We, in France, have also lots of people telling us the country is going down the gutter, right to the sewer, just because we aren't capitalist enough. That we should do much better to stick to american (read Bush's) standards. Less state, more business, less social protection.

With that "funny" word from the head of the business owner's union : "love is precarious, so why should employment be different ?"... It sure tells a lot about those people's mind, right ?

Track back all the people telling you that your country (and their, by the way) is pure shithole, and you'll certainly most of the time discover people that are linked to major economical power.

I will certainly not surprise you (well, at least european people. For non-european people, believe me, you're not missing anything !) by telling you about our "second" prime minister, egocentric, megalomaniac and would-be-next-president Nicolas Sarkozy. Ever heard of his project of "selective immigration" ? Basically, it's french government going to third-world countries, saying "hmmm, your doctors look nice this year, i'll take some. Of course, France won't be able to pay them as much as french doctors who studied in France, but still, it will be better than their miserable salary here, right ? What ? You're complaining because at this rate you won't have anybody left that graduated here ? And that it will endanger your already more-than-fragile economy ? Beat me, as if i ever cared !!".

So, be proud of the achievements of your own country, don't close your eyes on its flaws (every country has, and i could give you a long list about France :D ) and fight to fix them ! Don't let anybody make you believe that your country is shit, especially if they are earning a 6-figure yearly salary ! It's not nationalism, it's purecommon sense.

About BNP now. You know we have the Front National here in France. Not as racist as the BNP seemes to be, but they in fact learnt how to behave in public. Which means that they are certainly as racist as the BNP. The problem is that they're not alone now : we have the RPF (Rassemblement pour la France) of Philippe the Villiers (a crazy nationalist-racist-royalist) and even the party of the government, the UMP (Union de la Majorite Presidentielle - Presidential Majority Union, hah, tell me about a lobby's name ! ;) ) under the impulsion of Nicolas Sarkozy (yeah, the same) is leaning far right now...

Things we identify with British people can be easily found elsewhere (with the ignored exception of football fanaticism).

How is football fanaticism an exception?!

i am not supporter of the bnp, i voted against them in the last elections, however i can understand WHY they are gaining a certain measure of political ground. the immigration laws in this counry have gone totally to hell. when a immigrant seeking political asylum receives better benefits than a bonafide citizen receives for being temporarily out of work something is going wrong.

a lot of people in this country are becoming tired of englands perpetual "fear" of cultural minorities and the limitations on free speech against them that have arisen in recent years.

the bnp is one of the few political parties in england that give people something to believe in, that something might be racism and bigotry, but its a natural reaction against free speech and religion being held to ransom by minorites.

darkside

ps, i believe croquet is actually french, look at the word

i am not supporter of the bnp, i voted against them in the last elections, however i can understand WHY they are gaining a certain measure of political ground. the immigration laws in this counry have gone totally to hell. when a immigrant seeking political asylum receives better benefits than a bonafide citizen receives for being temporarily out of work something is going wrong.

a lot of people in this country are becoming tired of englands perpetual "fear" of cultural minorities and the limitations on free speech against them that have arisen in recent years.

the bnp is one of the few political parties in england that give people something to believe in, that something might be racism and bigotry, but its a natural reaction against free speech and religion being held to ransom by minorites.

darkside

ps, i believe croquet is actually french, look at the word
Since when did we fear cultural minorities; if we feared them we wouldn't integrate or interact with them.

Since when did immigrants get anything te govrnemnt didn't give to citizens? that is all the BNP's propaganda, you realise and its been discredited.

Freedom of religion held to ransom? You mean, you now aren't punished for not being CofE? And freedom of speech... you now aren't allowed to incite people to gfo out and commit acts of violence provoked by racial hatred?

How is football fanaticism an exception?!

It definitely isn't. We also have it in France.

I would never vote for the BNP or have much respect for anyone who did but it is healthy for a democracy that they exist so that their claims and statements can be challenged and discussed and revealed for the hateful, twisted, drivel that they are.

We don't live in a shit country.

We just don't have any sort of unified and exclusive cultural identity.

Which is a good thing, IMO, but some people think otherwise.
Why is it that you seem to be proud that this country has been leaving behind it's traditional way of life and culture and just becoming some soulless consumerist shithole?

Why is it that you seem to be proud that this country has been leavng behind it's traditional way of life and culture and just becoming some soulless consumerist shithole?
because that's bollocks. Its been leaving behind a lot of bad and racist policies, and getting a lot of good stuff back. A really great trade. We're keeping the good traditions and gettig rid f the bad.

Why is it that you seem to be proud that this country has been leavng behind it's traditional way of life and culture and just becoming some soulless consumerist shithole?

You mean imperialism?

Well, shit. Sorry bout other people wanting freedom an' all, just fucked up your country.

Wah.

I'll be voting BNP. The mainstream partes are content to ignore issues like immigration, so who else is there to vote for?


Guess what my perception of you is?

A middle aged man/woman, living in a council house and on the dole. Saying the reason he/she is on the dole is because of immigrants who are "Taking over work places"

Oh and in a recent interview the bnp leader was asked a question..

"What makes you so against foreign culture and people?"

He replied.

"Well, for one, I recently read a story about how an English woman was raped by an immigrant."

This implies that he thinks there would be no rapes if immigrants were kicked out...Do you really believe that would be the case?

And yeah I do agree with you about the immigrant problem, but i'm only against ILLEGAL immigration, you know? Against the law immigration?

I have no problem, however, with legal immigration.
And just so you know, most immigrants are white eastern Europeans. :)

And besides, it's not as if we're the ONLY country in the world with Immigration Problems, last I heard, America wasn't doing so good either..

can you really justify voting BNP over immigration? even if they made any sense whatsoever on that topic, there are just far more important things to put your vote towards.

can you really justify voting BNP over immigration?

Well recently a BNP member told me some scary facts about black people. He told told that black people are made up of 70%-90% water! And that if two black people have a child there is a 90% chance that the child will be black. Also that they account for 70% of crime in Africa, and that they weren’t smart enough to vote in the US until 1965. Though this pales in comparison to the fact that black people breath out carbon dioxide which can be deadly to humans!

I'm certainly convinced and will vote to save the white race and the closest opportunity.

I'm glad some people can joke about a party which gets a shocking percentage of the vote in the country, and a rising percentage...

good points. personally I was more concerned when they told us that if immigration goes unchecked we'll all be speaking muslim in a couple of years time

I'm glad some people can joke about a party which gets a shocking percentage of the vote in the country, and a rising percentage...

As you have FPTP, you needn't worry.

good points. personally I was more concerned when they told us that if immigration goes unchecked we'll all be speaking muslim in a couple of years time
You realise they have a policy based on that, that we shouldn't now teach anything but English in classrooms if there's a white person in there? So no more language lessons!

Bets, PM? thatcher got elected 3 times, ffs!

Guess what my perception of you is?

A middle aged man/woman, living in a council house and on the dole. Saying the reason he/she is on the dole is because of immigrants who are "Taking over work places"
Not quite. Try 16, getting ready for GCSEs and signing up to Welbeck College to become a commissioned offiicer in the British Army.

This implies that he thinks there would be no rapes if immigrants were kicked out...Do you really believe that would be the case?
No, but I believe there would be less.

And besides, it's not as if we're the ONLY country in the world with Immigration Problems, last I heard, America wasn't doing so good either..
Immigration in America is America's problem. I'm only worried about immigration here.

Not quite. Try 16, getting ready for GCSEs and signing up to Welbeck College to become a commissioned offiicer in the British Army.
I'm sure the multicultural British army will be interested to hear your views and beat them out of you...
No, but I believe there would be less.
Yup.... white supremacists wouldn't keep raping nonwhites...

Bets, PM? thatcher got elected 3 times, ffs!

The closer a party is getting to power in a democracy, the less extreme it gets.

Remember the Tories about 5 years ago? Really far out there on the Right. Now they have Centred a lot because they smell blood in the water.

BNP stand no chance in a FPTP system.

I'm sure the multicultural British army will be interested to hear your views and beat them out of you...
I'm not stupid, I know when to keep my mouth shut.

Umm... again, Thatcher, who got more extreme as she got closer to power...

-Somewhere-, would that include when you are taking orders from brave, bemedalled, and so on, immigrant officers?

I'm not stupid, I know when to keep my mouth shut.

Let me see. I sense a contradiction between this post and supporting the BNP.

Umm... again, Thatcher, who got more extreme as she got closer to power...


Not to the extent of out and out racism and facist policies. Comparable to Ronnie Reagan so I suppose for the UK that would be extreme :D

Not to the extent of out and out racism and facist policies. Comparable to Ronnie Reagan so I suppose for the UK that would be extreme :D
She was the British answer to Ronnie Reagan... but more extreme... I mean come on laying off millions simply to **** the unions? Or blatant homophobia and Section 21?

Calm down she was the leader Britain needed after the disater of Union domination in the 1970's

Calm down she was the leader Britain needed after the disater of Union domination in the 1970's
...Right, of course she was, the fact she was as I say a blatant homophobe and handed all the power to those with the cash to afford it means nothing...

I'm not stupid, I know when to keep my mouth shut.


Oh, Okay, so you KNOW your views are wrong?

Good luck in the Army, btw. :P

...Right, of course she was, the fact she was as I say a blatant homophobe and handed all the power to those with the cash to afford it means nothing...

when put like that it means very little to me at all.

when put like that it means very little to me at all.
Well there you are then....

So just because something happened hundreds of years ago, that means it should have to happen now irrespective of its merits? If it's bad for the country now they shouldn't be allowed in, even if it has happened before. These are different times, so I don't see why we should be afraid of a different approach.

Damn, I always forget, it´s them, not us, so it must be bad.

As for the different approach, iirc it has been the approach since dawn of time to fight Johnny Foreign, simply because he is foreign. Why not try a new approach where people are seen as humans, not enemy beasts?
Me and my amnesia... keep forgetting it´s rag-'eaded terrorist-rapists we´re talking about. You win.

-Somewhere-, would that include when you are taking orders from brave, bemedalled, and so on, immigrant officers?
Who says you have to like those in charge? There's no point in spiteful to everyone you hate in all circumstances, all you'd succeed in doing is making yourself an outcast who has no hope of making a difference to society. Besides, it's not all immigrants I hate. I have absolutely no problem with Eastern Europeans as people. I'd prefer a first generation Polish immigrant to a third generation 'British' muslim. It's the muslims that I despise. But nontheless, I'm prepared to take orders from a muslim superior officer if needs be.

Oh, Okay, so you KNOW your views are wrong?
No, but I know they're unpopular.

But nontheless, I'm prepared to take orders from a muslim superior officer if needs be.

Like any good nazi should...
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Why is it that you seem to be proud that this country has been leaving behind it's traditional way of life and culture and just becoming some soulless consumerist shithole?
Traditional way of life?

You're trying to steal freedoms we had thirty years ago, pour shame on us for standing up to the fascists of the second world war sixty years ago, return to the style of unelected government we threw out ninety years ago (Parliament act of 1911, just to remind you) in some attempt to repeat the mistakes of the pseudo-imperialist world power we held in the 1800s, and you say we are abandoning our traditional way of life?

Let me tell you something, boy. When you grow up, you're going to realise something, and it is going to hurt you badly.

Things have changed since then and they continue to change. If you don't change with them, they are going to leave you behind and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself.

Do you really want to know why people think the country is in such a state? It's because too many of its inhabitants refuse to change with circumstance and waste priceless time trying to change it back to the way it was. If people spent less moaning to everyone about how they can't go to work because someone else is doing their utterly menial job for them and actually went and learned some special skills, this place would be a whole lot better off. Instead, they find themselves left in their middle-aged broken husks in council-owned accommodation wondering what the hell they've done with their life.

And as for your own targetted anti-muslim bias, the only reason you hate them is you fear they're trying to take over, and the only reason you fear that is because you are trying to do exactly that.

People in glass houses, and all that.

You and Islamist supremecists are of the same vein. Take comfort, perhaps, in knowing that we will fight them if they try to seize control in exactly the same way we will fight you if you try to seize control.

Nobody decides what we are; not you, not Islam, not Fascism, not Labour, not the colour of our skin, not even the shadow of our own past. Britain is evolving and changing all of the time, and if you won't keep up with it, you will be left in its wake.

Who says you have to like those in charge? There's no point in spiteful to everyone you hate in all circumstances, all you'd succeed in doing is making yourself an outcast who has no hope of making a difference to society. Besides, it's not all immigrants I hate. I have absolutely no problem with Eastern Europeans as people. I'd prefer a first generation Polish immigrant to a third generation 'British' muslim. It's the muslims that I despise. But nontheless, I'm prepared to take orders from a muslim superior officer if needs be.


No, but I know they're unpopular.

What makes you so deathly afraid to have a Muslim officer in battle? Do you think that they'd suddenly scream 'ALLAH ACKBAR' and shoot you up or somesuch? Whatever your reason is, I would surmise it is bigoted and not even supported by anything but the most biased and out-of-context information there is.

Why do you despise all Muslims? Do you not realise that it is only a small minority who are fanatics and give the rest a bad name? Or do the actions of a few seem like the actions of all to your narrow viewpoint?

What makes you so deathly afraid to have a Muslim officer in battle? Do you think that they'd suddenly scream 'ALLAH ACKBAR' and shoot you up or somesuch? Whatever your reason is, its bigoted and not even supported by anything but the most biased and out-of-context information there is.

Why do you despise all Muslims? Do you not realise that it is only a small minority who are fanatics and give the rest a bad name? Or do the actions of a few seem like the actions of all to your narrow viewpoint?

Reminds me of the whole " All Catholics are actually loyal to the Pope, not a country!!!!!" argument. :rolleyes:

Reminds me of the whole " All Catholics are actually loyal to the Pope, not a country!!!!!" argument. :rolleyes:

I just find it amusing that this chap wouldn't trust a third-generation Muslim in the military, considering that said Muslim would be just as British as he is. More loyal and trustworthy as well, I should think, given -Somewhere-'s apparent psychological mistrust of all Muslims.

Does the British Army have Psych Tests? I do hope so...

Yes! Fish And Chips!!!! :)

B-British
N- Nazi
P- Party

They are facist extremists and most British ppl want nothing to do with them and those tht do r stupid

good points. personally I was more concerned when they told us that if immigration goes unchecked we'll all be speaking muslim in a couple of years time
The language is Arabic.

Oh, and -Somewhere-, why do you hate Islam?

Oh no! They dress differently and *shocker* don't practise the same state religion as the rest of us!

Run for the fucking hills!

Because the Koran teaches things like...

Sura 9 :29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.

Sura 3 :151 We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

Sura 3 :28, Let not the believers take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah

Sura 22 :19-22; These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), “Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!”

Peacefull religion ain't it.

Also their prophet married a 6 year old girl.

There are many more but I won't go on unless requested.


Oh and I love the way people like to call the BNP Nazis dispite the fact Iranian suicide bombers regularly use Nazi Salutes.


Incidentally did anyone know that Nick Griffin refuses to claim that Briton was on the "right side" during the Second World War. As odious views go it's right up there with arguing that the extent of the Holocaust has been exaggerated, which, incidentally, is also one of his views.

That would be interesting seeing as he was instrumental in attempting to remove anti sematism from the BNP.


(talking about the numbers of Muslim extremests) with a number I suspect more probably about 100,000 at most, if not just a few 10s of thousands.

Yes... they really represent a threat to Britain...

WHAT! You are saying having 100 FUCKING THOUSAND muslim extremests is not a threat? How are they not a threat. How are people that take verses such as the ones I posted above literaly and to the word (which not all muslims do obviously) not a threat to Britain.


(quote about crime increasing)

Proof?


Gun murders have tripled since the 1970s.


Rock the boat by voting for the Marxist forum. Or the Greens, when they're pro-Europe. That's a far better option than essentially a vote for Nazism.


Yes voting for 2 pro imigration parties, that will get his gripe with the immigration system accross to the govt.

Lived in Leeds, wasn't that bad. A lot of racism from the whites towards Asians, which is completely unacceptable. My family left a couple of weeks before the riots, actually, which was lucky.

Live in Leeds. A lot of racism from Asians to Whites. Used to regularly get asians walking down corridoors of my school shouting things like 'its an asian invasion'.

True that. Some bigots are inevitable in politics, I suppose, but it's sad when a country's biggest party is apparently based on bigotry (at least at a regional/national level).
Tell me about it. My family are actually allaince voters but of course in NI, its pretty unlikely that a party that sits on the fence is ever going to get too much support at the moment.
I think it would be so much better to have the SDLP and UUP in the majority instead of Sein Fien and DUP. With more moderate parties we might actually make some progress.

Because the Koran teaches things like...

Sura 9 :29: Fight those who do not profess the true faith (Islam) till they pay the jiziya (poll tax) with the hand of humility.

Sura 3 :151 We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

Sura 3 :28, Let not the believers take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah

Sura 22 :19-22; These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), “Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!”

Peacefull religion ain't it.

Also their prophet married a 6 year old girl.

There are many more but I won't go on unless requested.

I actually would like to have some more information. And also some context for those quotes. That would be great. To Jihad (struggle in the way of God) is a last resort, when Muslims aren't free to practise their religion, that's the only time when it's deemed acceptable.


Oh and I love the way people like to call the BNP Nazis dispite the fact Iranian suicide bombers regularly use Nazi Salutes.

Only the ignorant call them Iranians, use the word Persians, and just about every military organisation has a salute much like the Nazi salute. So did the Red Army and it fought off the Nazis.

And I also don't see how that's relevant at all. Just because you don't use the Swastika doesn't mean that you're not a neonazi. And there are many countries which used to use the Swastika, which weren't Nazis at all. Like the Finns, for example.

The BNP are very, very dangerous. Even imagining anything else is folly.

That would be interesting seeing as he was instrumental in attempting to remove anti sematism from the BNP.

That's probably because the government actually cares about anti-Semitic groups, but doesn't give two fucks to people giving the Muslims a hard time.

WHAT! You are saying having 100 FUCKING THOUSAND muslim extremests is not a threat? How are they not a threat. How are people that take verses such as the ones I posted above literaly and to the word (which not all muslims do obviously) not a threat to Britain.

There are thousands of fundamentalist Christians around, and there's a fair amount of violence in the Old Testament, but I don't see them as a problem.

Sky News is not the best place to get your opinions of Islam from. Or anything from, really.

Gun murders have tripled since the 1970s.

Thanks for that... I don't really see how that's at all relevant to the Swiss having one of the highest rates of murder in the world and them all being armed to the teeth.

Yes voting for 2 pro imigration parties, that will get his gripe with the immigration system accross to the govt.

He only said that he wanted to "shake the political boat". And voting for a communist or green party is just as good a way as for voting for the Nazis.

Live in Leeds. A lot of racism from Asians to Whites. Used to regularly get asians walking down corridoors of my school shouting things like 'its an asian invasion'.
Mmm yeah, possibly they were being ironic. Or are Muslims too war-loving and evil to indulge in satire now and then?




So are you a BNP member or something?

Or just horribly misguided?

B-British
N- Nazi
P- Party

They are facist extremists and most British ppl want nothing to do with them and those tht do r stupid
98% don't vote for them; but then some of that 98% votes for Veritarse or UKIP so that's them gone, or the racist COnservative voters, and so on...

The language is Arabic.



Shock as someone on NationStates misses the joke

"Those from foreign ethnic backgrounds resident in Britain will be given the choice of either having their children educated in Faith or Folk schools that will teach them the traditions and heritage of their ancestral cultures, or of attending classes in schools that educate them about their ancestral heritage. We believe that all children suffer when deprived of their right to an ancestral identity and contact with their cultural roots.

We will encourage black and ethnic minority schools and religious schools run by parents and staff that educate those children as to their ancestral heritage and instil pride in their culture and ethnicity."

Sounds an awful lot like "seperate but equal" to me...


"The exploitation of the 1996 Dunblane Massacre of sixteen school-children and a teacher by a homosexual paedophile to provide..."

So he was homosexual? I guess if he was heterosexual he would never have done anything wrong...


"we believe that it is far more likely than not that the historically established tendency (and we do not claim that it is any more than that) of the peoples of Western Europe in general - and of these islands in particular - to create and sustain social and political structures in which individual freedom, equality before the law, private property and popular participation in decision-making, is to some extent at least genetically pre-determined. "

Teehee! Of course there are differences between people of different races, but I'm unaware of any research suggesting "western Europeans" are somehow better at governing themselves with individual freedom, before the law, private property and popular participation in decision-making.


"We would abolish all laws against racial discrimination in employment and the government bodies associated with enforcing them."

Too right, cant have damn nig-nogs in positions of responsibilty now can we!


"A Clause 28-style proscription against the promotion of racial integration in schools and the media would be introduced."

Yep, the last thing we need is races to integrate with one and other!


"A massively-funded and permanent programme, using and doubling Britain's current foreign aid budget, will aim to reduce, by voluntary resettlement to their lands of ethnic origin"

What does it matter if they stay? Especially if they have been here for several generations.


"the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed."

Yep, cos capital punishment works so well in the US...


"We will re-introduce assemblies based on traditional Christian values and worship."

Damn right, cos if y'aint Christian, y'aint British!

Gun murders have tripled since the 1970s.

I asked for proof not for some fallacious post hoc ergo propter hoc rubbish.

Why people call BNP nazis? Is it because they are anti-immigration or something else??

Why people call BNP nazis? Is it because they are anti-immigration or something else??

Anti-Immigrant, Pro-Gun to an extreme point, bigoted and racist, heavily nationalistic. Oh, and the fact that they actually are Neo-Nazi scum.

Why people call BNP nazis? Is it because they are anti-immigration or something else??
Because they used to be called the National Front, championing "Rights for Whites", advocating terrorism against local British people who were Muslim.

As well as :

"A massively-funded and permanent programme, using and doubling Britain's current foreign aid budget, will aim to reduce, by voluntary resettlement to their lands of ethnic origin, the proportion of ethnic minorities living in Britain"

Withdrawal of the United Kingdom from the European Union and the pursuit of protectionist economic measures.

And my personal favourite:

The reunification of the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland in a 'federation of the nations of the British Isles:rolleyes:

Firstly I know the BNP are a bunch of criminals...

And if you're supporting them, what does that make you?

Damn straight. Since I have all the physical strength of a small ant, I'd be more suited to printing leaflets and being a courier and stuff, but I'd still do all I can.

If you had the physical strength of a small ant proportionate to your size, though, you'd be able to lift a car over your head.

Cricket.
Church of England
NHS.
The Royal Navy.
Etonandharrow.
Polytechs.
Lordsladiesandknights.
BarmyUnions.

They're all part of the 'it' that makes this land green and pleasant.

And don't forget, you practically invented fair play and sportsmanship.

And don't forget, you practically invented fair play and sportsmanship.
And then ignored it while Empire-building... machine guns on the Zulu for crying out loud...

Because the Koran teaches things like...

Did you know that the Bible teaches that women should be subordinate to men? That despots are ok, and people should keep their heads down rather than trying to stop them? That slavery is fine?

Both of these books (The Bible and the Koran) were written a couple of thousand years ago. Things have changed a hell of a lot. Notice that in Britain today there's no slavery, women have equal rights to men and we're a democracy despite the fact that on the last census (2001), seventy-odd percent of Britons claimed they were Christian? It's because we've changed with the times. Just as the vast majority of Christians accept that parts of the Bible are simply unacceptable in modern society, the vast majority of Muslims accept that some parts of the Koran are unacceptable. There are, of course, extremeists on both sides, but they are a tiny minority. I think the hundred thousand Islamic extremeists in the nation is a major exaggeration - it's probably more in the hundreds. So proportionately, there would be more Christian extremeists than Islamic extremeists in the UK today since Christianity and Atheism make up about 90% of the UK's religious beliefs (Islam, Hinduism, Bhuddism etc. making up the remaining 10%).

Did you know that the Bible teaches that women should be subordinate to men? That despots are ok, and people should keep their heads down rather than trying to stop them? That slavery is fine?

Yeah, but the BNP are for these things as well.

Yup. So... vote for one set of extremeists and they'll get rid of the other. Isn't that a fair trade? </sarcasm>

B-British
N- Nazi
P- Party

They are facist extremists and most British ppl want nothing to do with them and those tht do r stupid

Or, as the Sun out it:

B-Bloody
N-Nasty
P-People

Yup. So... vote for one set of extremeists and they'll get rid of the other. Isn't that a fair trade? </sarcasm>

Which ones are the others?

Oh and I love the way people like to call the BNP Nazis dispite the fact Iranian suicide bombers regularly use Nazi Salutes.How does another group using Nazi salutes make the BNP less Nazi?

How does another group using Nazi salutes make the BNP less Nazi?
Magic, I think.

Which ones are the others?

These elusive Islamic extremeists who want to take over our country, enslave us all and so forth (according to the BNP, anyway).

Yeah, but the BNP are for these things as well.
Some of their supporters hold up "The BNP : For Christian Values" which I think is pretty shocking. I know many Christians who are extremely nice people who would have nothing to do with the BNP.

The problem I have with the BNP is that now we can't have England flags because we are seen to be racist thugs

And then ignored it while Empire-building... machine guns on the Zulu for crying out loud...
Oh yes, because small outposts of soldiers, when faced with thousands of spear waving Zulu warriers, should have gone "oh look chaps, they outnumber us and want us to leave. It's only sporting that we lay down our arms and let them tear us limb from limb!"

The problem I have with the BNP is that now we can't have England flags because we are seen to be racist thugs

However much of a tool you feel like for waving the St George's flag be assured that people won't mind during the World Cup. ;)

If you had the physical strength of a small ant proportionate to your size, though, you'd be able to lift a car over your head.

Hmmmm...


*Ponders this idea*

Hmmmm...


*Ponders this idea*
It's worth it. Breed with an ant queen and your children will be exceptionally strong, although chitinous, and they'll actually have two skeletons. And do exactly what you tell them without tire.

Sounds good, doesn't it?

If the BNP got rid of every foreign person in Britain, the country would be empty. But really, they just want rid of black people. BNP get 2 seats out of hundreds, and most of their voters are in one county. That means only 0.2% of Britain support BNP.

However much of a tool you feel like for waving the St George's flag be assured that people won't mind during the World Cup. ;)

Indeedy

If the BNP got rid of every foreign person in Britain, the country would be empty. But really, they just want rid of black people. BNP get 2 seats out of hundreds, and most of their voters are in one county. That means only 0.2% of Britain support BNP.

Your stats are wrong - the BNP won 27 seats and there were more than 4100 up for grabs. Also, the BNP is not concerned merely with black people but all those of a non-white ethnic origin.

These elusive Islamic extremeists who want to take over our country, enslave us all and so forth (according to the BNP, anyway).

Who're you kidding - ever taken a look at the party manifesto of Hizb ut Tahrir or the preachings of Abu Hamza. Islamic extremism is rife within the UK - the BNP repulse me but lets not deny that radical Islam is a very real danger to the UK.

Who're you kidding - ever taken a look at the party manifesto of Hizb ut Tahrir or the preachings of Abu Hamza. Islamic extremism is rife within the UK - the BNP repulse me but lets not deny that radical Islam is a very real danger to the UK.Funny really. The biggest danger I see those groups pose, is how they generate support for insane nazi bastards like the BNP.

The Islamofascists aren't a threat in & of themselves, as there's simply not enough people for them to appeal to.

BNP are a bunch of scumbags who then target people who are poor unemployed and full of hate for anyone to vote for them. Most sane , actually all sane people would not even consider voting for the BNP because if they did everyone is screwed. Multiculturalism is what makes Britain what it is today. If the BNP got in to power this would be taken away and Britain would probaly have no contact with the rest of the world. Plus if they got into power the UN wouldn't stand for it. I know the BNP would probably make Britain resign from the UN. If the BNP want to make Britain "respectable" their going the wrong way about it.

If the BNP got rid of every foreign person in Britain, the country would be empty. But really, they just want rid of black people. BNP get 2 seats out of hundreds, and most of their voters are in one county. That means only 0.2% of Britain support BNP.
Wrong, that's distribution not factored in. In the last General Election 2% of votes were cast for the BNP.

BNP are a bunch of scumbags who then target people who are poor unemployed and full of hate for anyone to vote for them. Most sane , actually all sane people would not even consider voting for the BNP because if they did everyone is screwed. Multiculturalism is what makes Britain what it is today. If the BNP got in to power this would be taken away and Britain would probaly have no contact with the rest of the world. Plus if they got into power the UN wouldn't stand for it. I know the BNP would probably make Britain resign from the UN. If the BNP want to make Britain "respectable" their going the wrong way about it.I suppose that's what the party gets for having a man with a dysfunctional family at its head...

Funny really. The biggest danger I see those groups pose, is how they generate support for insane nazi bastards like the BNP.

The Islamofascists aren't a threat in & of themselves, as there's simply not enough people for them to appeal to.

Well I can think of 52 people who would disagree with you if they were still alive.

Politically speaking the danger posed by Islamofascism may not be that great (but then neither is the BNP) the danger to the UK comes through its support and for terrorism and its promotion of values that are anathema to ours in the guise of a language that is acceptable to us.

Well I can think of 52 people who would disagree with you if they were still alive.

I can think of several million people who disagree with you. That trumps your 52.

Who're you kidding - ever taken a look at the party manifesto of Hizb ut Tahrir or the preachings of Abu Hamza. Islamic extremism is rife within the UK - the BNP repulse me but lets not deny that radical Islam is a very real danger to the UK.

Almost anything radical is dangerous, but radical political views and religious views are particularly worrying. And ironically, both groups like the BNP and the Islamic extremeists feed off one another. They use the opposite extreme to justify their actions.

And where is Abu Hamza now? He's in prison. What's happening to Hizb ut Tahrir in Britain? They're going to be banned. Blair said himself: "We will proscribe Hizb-ut-Tahrir and the successor organisation of Al Muhajiroun. We will also examine the grounds of proscription to widen them and put proposals forward in the new legislation." - he'll ban them, and also make it easier to ban other extremeist parties that threaten democracy.

I'm not sure if it's come into force yet, but when the Prime Minister says he's going to do something this drastic, it's hard to get out of doing it (it's very rare that a political party is banned in Britain).

So I'd actually suggest that the BNP are more of a threat, since MI5 and the police are keeping a much closer eye on Islamic extremeists since July 7th - they claim to have thwarted three or four attacks since then, for instance.

Well I can think of 52 people who would disagree with you if they were still alive.
You mean the tube victims?

They're middle-class Londoners, mostly. They'd probably have disliked the BNP more if they were still alive. But this is only speculation on my part; they were people with their own political leanings and personalities. That they were killed by your enemies does not excuse your abuse of their very characters in furthering your own goals.

They are not a statistic. They are Individuals. We should remember them for that, not as part of some number or some sweeping generalisation.

Trying to post-humously decide their opinion for them is no worse than those who proclaim the glories of martyrdom. You're all the same, really; those who would use the deaths of others as propaganda pieces for some twisted hatred of the other side.

You mean the tube victims?

They're middle-class Londoners, mostly. They'd probably have disliked the BNP more if they were still alive. But this is only speculation on my part; they were people with their own political leanings and personalities. That they were killed by your enemies does not excuse your abuse of their very characters in furthering your own goals.

They are not a statistic. They are Individuals. We should remember them for that, not as part of some number or some sweeping generalisation.

Trying to post-humously decide their opinion for them is no worse than those who proclaim the glories of martyrdom. You're all the same, really; those who would use the deaths of others as propaganda pieces for some twisted hatred of the other side.

It wasn't a humorous post, it was a serious one and your exercise in moral relativism is rather interesting if totally absurd.

They are a statistic, just as they are individuals - or do you have some natural aversion to numbers since it denies people their individuality. If I stated that "Mao Tse Tungs repulsive cultural revolution resulted in the deaths of over 50 million people" - would that be an insult to their memory because I didn't take the time to list all their names and occupations. My assumption is that they would be aware of the horrors Islamic extremism is capable of inflicting since they were murdered by Islamic extremists - hardly a gigantic logical leap, nor is it a degradation of their memory.

You refer to these callous murderers as "my" enemies, I really would hope that you would be willing to consider all those willing to butcher innocent civilians as "our" enemies - or is that expecting too much?

Do you think that saying "murdering innocent people is wrong, we must try to stop others doing this" is the same as saying "the infidels much perish, praise be to Allah for this glorious victory"?

I can think of several million people who disagree with you. That trumps your 52.

I don't think the Nazi genocide is relevant to an analysis of the BNP in modern day Britain anymore than the sacking of Constantinople is relevant to an analysis of Islamic extremism.

It wasn't a humorous post, it was a serious one and your exercise in moral relativism is rather interesting if totally absurd.
Post-Humously, not Humourously. It means messing around with their personage after they're dead. My sincerest apologies for that going over your head. :rolleyes:

They are a statistic, just as they are individuals - or do you have some natural aversion to numbers since it denies people their individuality. If I stated that "Mao Tse Tungs repulsive cultural revolution resulted in the deaths of over 50 million people" - would that be an insult to their memory because I didn't take the time to list all their names and occupations. My assumption is that they would be aware of the horrors Islamic extremism is capable of inflicting since they were murdered by Islamic extremists - hardly a gigantic logical leap, nor is it a degradation of their memory.
Your proclamation was that these people would see Islamists as a greater threat than the BNP. That is an assumption completely unfounded in the opinions of any of the people who died. It is taking the dead, disregarding the person and forming the lifeless statistic into a ventriloquist's puppet for your own opinions and viewpoints.

Neither you nor the Islamists for whom the murders were carried out care about the individual. You don't give so much as a thought about what they might have thought themselves. Instead, you both leap on an opportunity to abuse them as a lifeless testament to your own political aims and intents. The only difference between you and them is which side you're on, and it sickens me no less.

If reducing the victims to a propaganda tool like that is not degredation of personage, I don't know what is. It is this kind of behaviour on all sides of the problem that causes the deaths in the first place, and those who died would be disgusted to see themselves being used in this way by either of you, whatever else they'd think.

Make no mistake. I bear exactly the same disgust for anyone who wants to misuse other people for their selfish goals. But the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, and I will not associate myself with the likes of you, who would so easily display a callous disrespect and abuse of those who he considers his allies, regardless of my feelings towards Islamic Supremecists.

Post-Humously, not Humourously. It means messing around with their personage after they're dead. My sincerest apologies for that going over your head. :rolleyes:


Your proclamation was that these people would see Islamists as a greater threat than the BNP. That is an assumption completely unfounded in the opinions of any of the people who died. It is taking the dead, disregarding the person and forming the lifeless statistic into a ventriloquist's puppet for your own opinions and viewpoints.

Neither you nor the Islamists for whom the murders were carried out care about the individual. You don't give so much as a thought about what they might have thought themselves. Instead, you both leap on an opportunity to abuse them as a lifeless testament to your own political aims and intents. The only difference between you and them is which side you're on, and it sickens me no less.

If reducing the victims to a propaganda tool like that is not degredation of personage, I don't know what is. It is this kind of behaviour on all sides of the problem that causes the deaths in the first place, and those who died would be disgusted to see themselves being used in this way by either of you, whatever else they'd think.

Make no mistake. I bear exactly the same disgust for anyone who wants to misuse other people for their selfish goals. But the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, and I will not associate myself with the likes of you, who would so easily display a callous disrespect and abuse of those who he considers his allies, regardless of my feelings towards Islamic Supremecists.

Lol - I was skimming and completely misread that part of your post. I'll reply to the rest of it later.

Post-Humously, not Humourously. It means messing around with their personage after they're dead. My sincerest apologies for that going over your head. :rolleyes:


Your proclamation was that these people would see Islamists as a greater threat than the BNP. That is an assumption completely unfounded in the opinions of any of the people who died. It is taking the dead, disregarding the person and forming the lifeless statistic into a ventriloquist's puppet for your own opinions and viewpoints.

Neither you nor the Islamists for whom the murders were carried out care about the individual. You don't give so much as a thought about what they might have thought themselves. Instead, you both leap on an opportunity to abuse them as a lifeless testament to your own political aims and intents. The only difference between you and them is which side you're on, and it sickens me no less.

If reducing the victims to a propaganda tool like that is not degredation of personage, I don't know what is. It is this kind of behaviour on all sides of the problem that causes the deaths in the first place, and those who died would be disgusted to see themselves being used in this way by either of you, whatever else they'd think.

Make no mistake. I bear exactly the same disgust for anyone who wants to misuse other people for their selfish goals. But the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend, and I will not associate myself with the likes of you, who would so easily display a callous disrespect and abuse of those who he considers his allies, regardless of my feelings towards Islamic Supremecists.

It is not my intention play political necromancy or act as a verbal puppeteer for the dead. The point I made about the 52 dead was more a rhetorical ploy drawing attention to the London bombing than an imposition of my views upon them. I accept that it was perhaps not right to do but let’s not get carried away, a mere insertion of the word “probably” into my initial statement would totally neuter the basis of your outrage. I also think that the idea that a person might feel a certain amount of antagonism toward their murderer is hardly an unlikely presumption, although again I admit it was a presumption.

In fact you actually verge on making some half-decent points until you get swept away into absurdity by your own self-righteousness: “The only difference between myself and Islamofascists is which side you are on”. That doesn’t actually even make sense when you dwell upon it – it’s a statement that the only difference between me and these theologically radical butchers of humanity is that I oppose everything they stand for. Which I guess puts me in support of democracy, secularism, liberty, human decency, political equality etc. Rather than a slight difference it’s quite a profound contrast wouldn’t you say?

Fifty two people died on July the 7th last year as a result of terrorist attacks in our capital. That is a cold fact. Is your position that it is wrong to draw attention to the deaths of these civilians when making the argument that radical Islamism is a threat that needs to be addressed? Do you feel that when condemning Nazi Germany we ought not mention the Holocaust since it would abuse the memory of the Jews killed and exploit them for ideological ends? What about the millions of Chinese slaughtered as a result of Japanese imperialism – dare we mention that when critiquing the old order or should we hesitate because to do so would be to callously disrespect our allies?

Well What I was discussing earlier when I said radical Islamists where not a threat was when people were talking about Britain becoming an ISlamic state. A small fraction of 2.5% of the population is not going to cause that to happen, though that same group can cause damage, as even one loony can cause a lot of damage.

Well What I was discussing earlier when I said radical Islamists where not a threat was when people were talking about Britain becoming an ISlamic state. A small fraction of 2.5% of the population is not going to cause that to happen, though that same group can cause damage, as even one loony can cause a lot of damage.
But if more of those people are let in, then the group will expand to a size that can really do damage.