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Your opinion: the worst or most evil thing that has happened to humanity -

Hitler/Nazi regime: You know what they have done...

Christianity: Holy wars, influence on human thinking

Communism: Influence on human thinking; Cold war, etc.

Science: With all the good, has come also the bad things: Nuclear bombs, internet and mobile phones; also diminished moral values etc.

Capitalism: Enslavery of poor (that's metaphor, but you got the idea :) )

Other: please note.

the bad things: ... internet ...

So why are you here?

I say rap music for [generic anti-rap music statements, mostly based on never having listened to rap music]

Damn, can't use the old "Evil is a point of view" argument I love so much.:(
The question is quite tricky, but I'll say xenophobia.

More people have died under communism (as a direct result of doctrine) than any of the others.

Other: the seemingly limitless, ever destructive and ultimately selfdestructive, growth of the human population.

So why are you here?

I say rap music for [generic anti-rap music statements, mostly based on never having listened to rap music]

I tried to offer choices and look from other perspectives: many people see internet and computer games as quite destructive things/immoral/bad things that has happened tu human race. Along with other science achievements. Maybe it could be better if we would live in harmony with nature without trying to unlock its secret.
It is not my personal opinion, but anyway :)

I fail to see how science is a bad thing. People were as evil 100 years ago as they are today. I voted Nazis, but if there was a seperate 'Russian leaders 1850-1950 (or whenever Stalin died)' category, i'd vote for that.

Other: the seemingly limitless, ever destructive and ultimately selfdestructive, growth of the human population.

This is very interesting: thank you for your opinion :)

Growth of human population indeed has done a lot of negative impact to Earth (mostly to environment) and also put so much people in miserable conditions.

I tried to offer choices and look from other perspectives: many people see internet and computer games as quite destructive things/immoral/bad things that has happened tu human race. Along with other science achievements. Maybe it could be better if we would live in harmony with nature without trying to unlock its secret.
It is not my personal opinion, but anyway :)

Fair enough. But anyone who thinks the internet is the worst thing to happen to humanity is being overdramatic. Or really ignorant.

Other: People who think that any of those choices given are anywhere near as bad as the human destruction of the planet and excessive multiplication.

Other: People who think that any of those choices given are anywhere near as bad as the human destruction of the planet and excessive multiplication.


DAMN YOU MULTIPLICATION! I told my third grade teacher multiplying was EVIL!

Liasia']I fail to see how science is a bad thing. People were as evil 100 years ago as they are today.

There are different opinions. And maybe more people are worse off than they were 100 years ago.


Liasia'] I voted Nazis, but if there was a seperate 'Russian leaders 1850-1950 (or whenever Stalin died)' category, i'd vote for that.

I understand you. 1/6th of my nation was destroyed (killed or died in exile) due to Communist regime and these first dictators. Including 3 of my grand grand parents.

Liasia']I fail to see how science is a bad thing. People were as evil 100 years ago as they are today.

But they didn't have such powerful destructive technology available.

There are different opinions. And maybe more people are worse off than they were 100 years ago.


Only because there are more people.

Communism. It's the only one that completely ignores human nature.

It's also the root of things like the modern environmentalism movement, which is just as bad.

DAMN YOU MULTIPLICATION! I told my third grade teacher multiplying was EVIL!
... not that kind. But I think you know. ¬_¬

It's also the root of things like the modern environmentalism movement, which is just as bad.
I presume that you live on the moon or in an underground bunker somewhere to say this.

But they didn't have such powerful destructive technology available.

the average person doesn't have any more effective means to kill than they used to, only governments (who likely will never use nukes anywho). Im not sure about this, but murder rates i don't think have gone up in the last century- amybe even down:confused:

The rise and continuing popularity of the 'Boy Bands'.

Religion in general

Other: this thread.

What the heck?!? Jesus said "love thy neighbor", etc. - how is that bad? Christianity isn't even in the same league as Hitler and Stalin - I mean, Hitler killed 6 million Jews, Stalin killed 60 million of his own people... what the heck are you talking about? Seriously, what the heck?

Agriculture.

Your opinion: the worst or most evil thing that has happened to humanity -

Hitler/Nazi regime: You know what they have done...

Christianity: Holy wars, influence on human thinking

Communism: Influence on human thinking; Cold war, etc.

Science: With all the good, has come also the bad things: Nuclear bombs, internet and mobile phones; also diminished moral values etc.

Capitalism: Enslavery of poor (that's metaphor, but you got the idea :) )

Other: please note.I find it absolutely hilarious that science is put on the same list as Nazism.

Oh boy, I hate to sound like a typically angsty teenager, but I gotta say Christianity. I'd say more than any other religion, they have sought to have absolute control over the lives of their members (that's especially the Catholic Church), fought so many numerous wars in the name of Jesus (from the Crusades to the Irish Civil War, from the Native American genocide to the Iraq War...don't pretend Bush doesn't use God as a justification, he's ALWAYS saying how God influences his choices), and caused the death of sooo many people through purging of "heretics" (the Spanish Inquisition, Bloody Mary's reign of terror, the Salem Witch Trials, etc.). You think that the Muslims reacted strongly to cartoons? How many Christians bitch about the Da Vinci Code? They may not be burning down embassies, though, so I'll give them credit for that...
I gotta admit though, communism and capitalism are pretty bad to (equally bad to each other, but not quite as bad as Christianity). And when I say capitalism, I'm referring to laissez-faire capitalism, where the largest corportaions swallow up the smaller ones and there are no small businesses. Communism, in turn, ignores human rights and deprives everybody of any chance to succeed. Social democracy is the way to go...i.e. heavily taxed big businesses and minimally taxed small businesses to create a level playing field, protectionism in trade, strong home markets for agriculture and industry, but still the freedom to start your own business. No fat cats who can hold the wealth of the nation over our heads, but still the ability to succeed. It's, as far as I'm concerned, the fairest system for everyone.
As for science, I don't know if I'd say that science is evil in nature. I'd say that a seven year old punching away at a cell phone in class is evil. I'd say that a ten year old getting a laptop for her birthday is evil. I'd say the control of the media in the hands of a few people is evil. Science is not.

I voted for capitalism, because it's the cause of the raise to power of Hitler, too. For many reasons: WWI was a capitalist war, the Versailles treaty was as bad because of capitalist logics (while the socialists/communists opposed it), the 1929 crisis and the misery that followed it is a consequence of capitalism, and the support of big corporations and of the "democratic" right were crucial in Hitler's raise to power.

So the evils of capitalism includes the ones of Hitler. And much, much more.

Other: imperialism, not just western imperialism but also earlier forms, they all cause wars and lead to extreme ammounts of death.

I'm surprised so much people chose Christianism. Yes, Christianism was a powerful tool of oppression - but it's just a tool. Religion is used by the powerful to control the masses, but the real evil is the division of society between powerful elite (nobility in the past, rich buisness men now) and a vast majority of exploited.

Communism is a philosophy regarding collective ownership of property. It hasn't killed anyone. Blaming murderous totalitarian regimes on Communism is like saying that footwear caused the Holocaust just because the Nazis happened to wear shoes.

I find it absolutely hilarious that science is put on the same list as Nazism.
As I said in post #10 or so...

I'm surprised so much people chose Christianism. Yes, Christianism was a powerful tool of oppression - but it's just a tool. Religion is used by the powerful to control the masses, but the real evil is the division of society between powerful elite (nobility in the past, rich buisness men now) and a vast majority of exploited.
Shush little thing or I'll unleash my hounds of Hell, to feed on your garden flowers...

Agriculture is the worst most evil thing to happen to humanity.

If we were still hunter gatherers there would be alot fewer of us but the remaining ones would be healthier and happier. No war. No plagues. No epidemics or pandemics. No cities. No politicians.

Other.

Evil is subjective.

Other.

Evil is subjective.
Yes, but the OP states that it is according to your own opinion.

Yes, but the OP states that it is according to your own opinion.
*shrugs*

The first finding of the pointy stick?

Humanity.

I voted Nazis, and Communism would have been my second choice. I agree, Christianity has caused some TERRIBLE things, all in the name of God...even Hitler said he fough t for God. But saying that, it's very silly to put Christianity on this poll. Every group of humans hass their dark ages (Muslim seems to be stuck in them), and Christians are no exception. But evil people are evil, and they don't need a religion to kill, they just used it as an excuse, but infact they would have commited evil anyway.

Oh boy, I hate to sound like a typically angsty teenager, but I gotta say Christianity. I'd say more than any other religion, they have sought to have absolute control over the lives of their members (that's especially the Catholic Church), fought so many numerous wars in the name of Jesus (from the Crusades to the Irish Civil War, from the Native American genocide to the Iraq War...don't pretend Bush doesn't use God as a justification, he's ALWAYS saying how God influences his choices), and caused the death of sooo many people through purging of "heretics" (the Spanish Inquisition, Bloody Mary's reign of terror, the Salem Witch Trials, etc.). You think that the Muslims reacted strongly to cartoons? How many Christians bitch about the Da Vinci Code? They may not be burning down embassies, though, so I'll give them credit for that...
I gotta admit though, communism and capitalism are pretty bad to (equally bad to each other, but not quite as bad as Christianity). And when I say capitalism, I'm referring to laissez-faire capitalism, where the largest corportaions swallow up the smaller ones and there are no small businesses. Communism, in turn, ignores human rights and deprives everybody of any chance to succeed. Social democracy is the way to go...i.e. heavily taxed big businesses and minimally taxed small businesses to create a level playing field, protectionism in trade, strong home markets for agriculture and industry, but still the freedom to start your own business. No fat cats who can hold the wealth of the nation over our heads, but still the ability to succeed. It's, as far as I'm concerned, the fairest system for everyone.
As for science, I don't know if I'd say that science is evil in nature. I'd say that a seven year old punching away at a cell phone in class is evil. I'd say that a ten year old getting a laptop for her birthday is evil. I'd say the control of the media in the hands of a few people is evil. Science is not.

Actually, those guys who went and did all of those things were "heretics" themselves - anyway, Jesus didn't tell them to go do all that stuff, so they did it for their own reasons - religion was never the primary motivator for colonialism, money was. Therefore, I have to agree with you that Capitalism is bad, but I can't agree with it being that bad - I mean, it isn't like Capitalists killed 60 million of their own people (reference the entire life of Joseph-frigen'-Stalin if you don't believe me).

Agriculture is the worst most evil thing to happen to humanity.

If we were still hunter gatherers there would be alot fewer of us but the remaining ones would be healthier and happier. No war. No plagues. No epidemics or pandemics. No cities. No politicians.

Yes, maybe, but also tons of famines and random violent deaths... nasty, brutish and short, anyone? Any way, war has been with us since gosh, when we beat the heck out of some other apes? We're just a bunch of killers, and we're going to have to learn to trust some power greater than man if we're going to learn to stop... sorry, I'll leave my religious views out of this. Seriously, though, we wouldn't be happier. Anyways, if you want to go and live in the Amazon or some African waste-land (not implying anything racist - it's just that there isn't that much unused land in Europe or North America), then no one is stopping you! Seriously, though, Agriculture might have been bad in the short run, but look what it's brought us - beautiful art and cathedrals, atomic power (limitless clean energy, anyone?) in the end, there are few problems that cannot be solved by simple human ingenuity when God is with us.

Hating things that are different is the worst thing to happen to humanity. It's responsible for racism, religious proselytization, etc.

I voted Nazis, and Communism would have been my second choice. I agree, Christianity has caused some TERRIBLE things, all in the name of God...even Hitler said he fough t for God. But saying that, it's very silly to put Christianity on this poll. Every group of humans hass their dark ages (Muslim seems to be stuck in them), and Christians are no exception. But evil people are evil, and they don't need a religion to kill, they just used it as an excuse, but infact they would have commited evil anyway.

On the contrary,
"Good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad things. But for good people to do bad things -- that takes religion." -- Steven Weinberg

I'd argue that the Nazi regime had some plus sides.
For one, it effectively acted as a bottleneck and to some extent helped those groups (as a whole) that were targeted for extermination in the first place. Furthermore, it demonstrated how dangerous complicity, ignorance, dogma, and ideology can be, and more importantly, it showed the astounding ease with which mankind is capable of being overwhelmed by these qualities/aspects.

This of course doesn't mean I'm all too happy with a regime that killed a number of my relatives, I'm just saying that you can't simply look at it as the quintessence of "evil", because it isn't.

I vote communism, only because, unlike Hitler, it spawned a million bullshit books proposing to explain it, and lectures and articles from professors in a thousand different colleges in the US and Europe.

Communism is a philosophy regarding collective ownership of property. It hasn't killed anyone. Blaming murderous totalitarian regimes on Communism is like saying that footwear caused the Holocaust just because the Nazis happened to wear shoes.

What kind of analogy is that? Yes, Communism is a philosophy and technically, it's never killed anyone. Communism doesn't kill people, it's believers in Communism that kill people. Thank God for Stalin: he did more to discredit and destroy communism than anyone in the US ever did.

They are all evil to some extent (with the exception of science, even though that has it's definite problems. And I say that as a fan of science). Capitalism? Killed millions. Same w/Communism, Christianity, Stalin, Hitler, etc. What I'm more interested in is what brought all of them about. Things like black and white thinking, the tendancy of humans to live in the past, perfectionism, lack of humor, the philosophy of lack in general, fear of other people, fear of ideas, fear in general and (to paraphrase Tom Robbins) the tendancy of people to take any genuine human experience and turn it into a prepackaged homogenized movement.

Let's ask what's done the most good in humanity.

I have to say Christianity. Of course modern Christianity doesn't do nearly as much bad as the Nazis for example. However, if I could pick one of those things to go back in time and erase, I'd say Christianity. It has killed just as many people and probably more as the Nazi regime or Communism, but more importantly it pervades the minds of people today. We don't really see a new Nazi state approaching on the horizon, and all the communist states in the world today are basket cases. A Christian theocracy *coughUSAcough* is sadly a viable possibility. On the other hand, perhaps not Christianity, as Islam and other religions are just as bad. Religion in general then.

Christianity: influence on human thinking

Communism: Influence on human thinking;


Are you retarded?
EVERYTHING influences human thinking that is hardly grounds for calling something evil(whatever the hell that means).

Television, why wasnt that tool of mass mind manipulation on your list?

The Corporate Dominated Media.

Cellphones

How about Borders,fecking Borders are the most evil thing to ever happen to the Human race.

Are you retarded?
EVERYTHING influences human thinking that is hardly grounds for calling something evil(whatever the hell that means).

Television, why wasnt that tool of mass mind manipulation on your list?

The Corporate Dominated Media.

Cellphones

How about Borders,fecking Borders are the most evil thing to ever happen to the Human race.

I don't think television or cellphones have influenced people to commit mass murder.

Communism by far.
Partly because my country has been far more friendly to Communism than Nazism/

Where is the Kmher Rouge on this list?

They were infinitely worse than the Nazis, you'd have to be foolish to think otherwise.

i don't think that christianity is evil i think that relegion itself is evil
:confused: :sniper: :mp5:

i voted other anyway.:rolleyes:

Humanity is the worst thing that has ever happened to humankind. All the worst things that have happened to humanity were caused by other humans. Nazis, 13th-century Catholics, Stalin, it makes no difference. It's not that evil is a point of view, it's just that everyone is inherently evil.

communism is not too bad in theory but if the government goes crazy then it will become bad because absolute power corrupts absolutely.

but i do not like the no things that don't support communism stuff:)

Wrong.

"Evil" does not exist.

People are not inherently evil. They are merely too stupid to see beyond the short-term consequences of their actions and their own bigoted views.

wow:p you are right!

i guess that is what i was trying to say.

I'm amazed that Christianity is getting more votes than capitalism and communism.

I'm amazed that Christianity is getting more votes than capitalism and communism.
I'm amazed that humanity itself isn't even on the list -- after all, it caused all of the options there.

if i could go back and vote again i would probably vote for everything because if you look at it they all were evil, but i wouldn't vote for everything except for maybe other because if there were no humans none of that stuff would have ever have happened;)

I say either Nazism or Christianity. The Nazis, well it's obvious why they're evil. But Christianity-Crusades (most notably the Children's Crusade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_crusade)), Reformation, not to Mention Pope Pious XII being silent about the Holocaust while the Germans were occupying Rome after Mussolini had been overthrown. But then again, if he had spoken out against the Holocaust, the German army would have blown Rome, the Vatican and thousands of years of irreplacable history to rubble, so either way Pious XII would have lost.:(

well i guess that everything in the world is evil because nothing on earth is good.

wow all of our views are right no one is wrong so why are we arguing? isn't that bad?!!:confused:

well i guess that everything in the world is evil because nothing on earth is good.
False reasoning. Evil and good are opposite sides of the same coin -- like yin and yang, male and female, and so on. As there is nothing purely good in the world, there can be nothing purely evil either, as there is nothing to compare it to.

That's why I find the original post rather flawed.

Other: apples

Other: atheists.

Diabological definition of atheism: the fine art of making political Islam look good...

Other: apples
No no no, apples are just incredibly dangerous, they're not actually evil, they're just doing their thing, like tigers.

Yes, maybe, but also tons of famines and random violent deaths... nasty, brutish and short, anyone? Any way, war has been with us since gosh, when we beat the heck out of some other apes? We're just a bunch of killers, and we're going to have to learn to trust some power greater than man if we're going to learn to stop... sorry, I'll leave my religious views out of this. Seriously, though, we wouldn't be happier..

We already have tons of violent deaths. Famine is what happens when agriculture failes to produce enough food, not what happens when it isnt introduced. And there might be skirmishes between tribes without agriculture but not large scale war. You cant even have cities wothout agriculture, much less gigantic war machines.

False reasoning. Evil and good are opposite sides of the same coin -- like yin and yang, male and female, and so on. As there is nothing purely good in the world, there can be nothing purely evil either, as there is nothing to compare it to.

That's why I find the original post rather flawed.

Heh, Derrida?

I voted Nazis, and Communism would have been my second choice. I agree, Christianity has caused some TERRIBLE things, all in the name of God...even Hitler said he fough t for God. But saying that, it's very silly to put Christianity on this poll. Every group of humans hass their dark ages (Muslim seems to be stuck in them), and Christians are no exception. But evil people are evil, and they don't need a religion to kill, they just used it as an excuse, but infact they would have commited evil anyway.
Switch Communism and Christianity round and much the same could be argued, that what happened in Russia was a corruption of Communism where the political philosophy is used as an excuse. The various murders etc in Russia are as blamable to Communism, as the crusades and the inquisition are to Christianity.

Christianity, thats easy. Its been responible for more unnecessary human deaths and over longer period of time than the rest. And its still with us:eek:

The Stakhanovite pro-work conspiracy which was instituted pretty much as soon as we left the jungles and started farming and manufacturing stuff en masse.

Capitalism, Communism, Christianity, Nazism and some forms of science are a part of this conspiracy, so I voted other.

Agriculture is the worst most evil thing to happen to humanity.

If we were still hunter gatherers there would be alot fewer of us but the remaining ones would be healthier and happier. No war. No plagues. No epidemics or pandemics. No cities. No politicians.

I'd partly agree with you, but agriculture on a small scale is awesome, especially just locking up a load of animals/plants to eat whenever you want. The problem started when agriculture "sold out" and became part of civilization, where you have to work hard to get anything at all.

Hoarding cattle and wheat is easier than hunting, but toiling all day in a field isn't.

I find it ridiculous that Christianity is being blamed for the actions of Christians who lived 1000 years ago. Christianity is itself an institution corrupted by humanity. Like I said, all humans are inherently evil and make human mistakes. Did Christianity tell the Pope to ignore the Holocaust? Did it order the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades? Of course not. Christians themselves did. They were evil and misguided, not Christianity.

Eventually humans have to take responsibility for all the death and killing they produce, no matter what they believe their reason is. It's because we're human and we're all evil.

I'm amazed that Christianity is getting more votes than capitalism and communism.

So am I... I mean, sure there were the Crusades, but that was basically a corrupt secularly concerned pope playing on the poor fools who believed he was God's messanger, and then you've got the professional mercs thrown in for extra fun, but Christianity as a concept didn't cause the crusades, christian believers never killed anyone because of what their relgious text said... sure, they killed them because they were illiterate bigots, but that has nothing to do with Christianity - everyone was an illiterate bigot in that era...

I find it ridiculous that Christianity is being blamed for the actions of Christians who lived 1000 years ago. Christianity is itself an institution corrupted by humanity. Like I said, all humans are inherently evil and make human mistakes. Did Christianity tell the Pope to ignore the Holocaust? Did it order the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades? Of course not. Christians themselves did. They were evil and misguided, not Christianity.

Eventually humans have to take responsibility for all the death and killing they produce, no matter what they believe their reason is. It's because we're human and we're all evil.

Actually, aren't we made in God's image? Therefore, aren't we all inherently good? I mean, sure we have all this nastiness, but enough self-flagelation and prayer, and can't we all be good? Seriously, why the heck can't we all just get along?!?

I find it ridiculous that Christianity is being blamed for the actions of Christians who lived 1000 years ago. Christianity is itself an institution corrupted by humanity. Like I said, all humans are inherently evil and make human mistakes. Did Christianity tell the Pope to ignore the Holocaust? Did it order the Spanish Inquisition or the Crusades? Of course not. Christians themselves did. They were evil and misguided, not Christianity.

Eventually humans have to take responsibility for all the death and killing they produce, no matter what they believe their reason is. It's because we're human and we're all evil.

I disagree. Of course there is nothing good or bad outside humans. There are just nature and objects. And therefore poll choices are things that humans have done (in name of different ideologies) that are generally considered more or less evil, terrible, highly damaging and so on.
I am not too much interested which is objectively (theoretically) better/worst - but what has really happened and how people see it...

Just subjective opinions, as surfing in these boards I have read a lot of arguments and wanted to see how different evils 'compare'.

P.S. I am sorry if my poll is not too good - my first try and I will try to imrpove in future ;)

False reasoning. Evil and good are opposite sides of the same coin -- like yin and yang, male and female, and so on. As there is nothing purely good in the world, there can be nothing purely evil either, as there is nothing to compare it to.

That's why I find the original post rather flawed.

Sure thing :)

But maybe you have opinion on what is the worst thing that has happened to humanity?


There are nothing purely good, and nobody knows the absolute truth, but everybody has opinions.

Christianity is responceable Directly for the genocides of the native population of North/South America and the importation of African Slaves to the Western Hemisphere. There was alos the inquistion and the "Burning Times" Should I go on about the represtion of knowledge and thought?



What the heck?!? Jesus said "love thy neighbor", etc. - how is that bad? Christianity isn't even in the same league as Hitler and Stalin - I mean, Hitler killed 6 million Jews, Stalin killed 60 million of his own people... what the heck are you talking about? Seriously, what the heck?

Communism is what almost caused the Plymouth colony to starve and it is the only example of pure communism ever being treid and it failed miserably. Communism is a philosophy regarding collective ownership of property. It hasn't killed anyone. Blaming murderous totalitarian regimes on Communism is like saying that footwear caused the Holocaust just because the Nazis happened to wear shoes.

Isn't Christianity just institutionalised mental illness? Menyal illness is characterised (in part) by delusional ideas. The definition of a delusion is that it is an idea which is not capable of proof by logical argument. On this basis Christianity (and most other religions) are delusional, though this is often justified as 'faith'. Instilling mental illness for several thousand years strikes me as pretty bad.:headbang:

In a normal case I'd say it's subjectiv (evil is)
But for my personal opinion, I'd say Other: Ignorance/Denial of other beliefs and ways of life.

EDIT: just to explain a little more my point of view

You could blame the religion or communism etc, but these are just tools that we use. Religion isn't evil, but it can be argued that some people using it are. same goes for the other choices. but that's just me. ha.

What the heck?!? Jesus said "love thy neighbor", etc. - how is that bad? Christianity isn't even in the same league as Hitler and Stalin - I mean, Hitler killed 6 million Jews, Stalin killed 60 million of his own people... what the heck are you talking about? Seriously, what the heck?

My own vote also went for Christianity. Numbers are different (while I agree about Stalin, I would argue that Hitler was reason to more deaths), but more on personal level I do not like Christianity.
My nation (Latvians) lived and developed quite happily with everything till the 11th century when Holy Wars came to enslave these Pagan lands. Starting from that point the lands where owned by christian knights and local natives where enslaved. And yeah religion of these lands where changed from Pagan to Christian. Then thanks to ideology of Christianity that supported enslavery, my nation was enslaved for 700 years, living in miserable conditions. Maybe I am too patriotic, but I really do not like this part :(


You said "Jesus said "love thy neighbor", etc.". I do not know exactly, but I am quite sure that all around the world for centuries priests said excerpts from Bible about "slavery is right institution. You have no rights. Serve your master." and "kill the infidels. they do not believe in our god so they have nor rights to freedom, property, life or anything that we want to take them for".

How about humanity?