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My little brother has this Dr Who cup that makes funny noises. Yesterday, I was surprised to hear TARDIS noises coming from my kitchen. Upon investigating I found nothing that could of caused the cup to move and thus activate the noise. Just now, I heard it go off again. There is nobody in the house but me...creepy huh?

So what do you think? Was it a ghost or not?

Yeah, couldnt have been a slight malfunction...

If it was a ghost, it seems easily amused.

Yep aaahhh I meant Yep ghosts are real, and nope it wasn't a ghost.

Well if you want the boring answer; there is no proof that ghosts exist, just a lot of strange things that could be ghosts and we can't easily explain yet. Nobody has ever been able to get a ghosts to show up in a lab for a "physical"

No. When people die they just sit there and decompose. Sorry.

No. When people die they just sit there and decompose. Sorry.
That's what I believe. As a complete atheist I mock all things that can't be explained by science...:rolleyes: I just wanted to know if anyone here believes in ghosts, and why.

That's what I believe. As a complete atheist I mock all things that can't be explained by science...:rolleyes: I just wanted to know if anyone here believes in ghosts, and why.#

Yep yep I do, coz I seen em, shit loads of em shit loads of times.

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Yep yep I do, coz I seen em, shit loads of em shit loads of times.

Oh, so you're an expert then. Can you tell me if my house really is haunted by a ghost who was a life-long, and now death-long Dr Who fan?

OK, I always thought it was a load of rubbish about ghosts. Then one evening last year I was driving along a road that I travel ALL the time (most days for much of my life) with my two teenagers in the car, when something ran out in front of me...I just saw it come from the side and did an emergency stop to avoid hitting it, and although it sounds mad there was a kind of misty thing in the road in front of me that I could see was a figure on a horse, it was there one minute and then it was gone...it wasn't like you see in films, it was more like a whispy shadow of a man on a large horse. I just sat quite shocked and asked the kids if they were ok. I said 'what did you see?' and both of them said a horse jumped out of the hedge and ran in front of us, turned in the road so that its tailend was facing us started to go away from us and was gone..all in a second or two, but all three of us clearly saw it. It did freak me out as there was no explanation for it. I have never seen anything there since, and dont tell many people as I think that they will think I am mad. But I know what I saw.

No. There's no such thing as ghosts. There's also no Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster or space aliens. There's no psychics, either. They're all full of crap. There's no God.

No. There's no such thing as ghosts. There's also no Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster or space aliens. There's no psychics, either. They're all full of crap. There's no God.
Yeah, but how do you know there are no aliens. It's always a possibility.

I prefer to believe it was the house itself.

I don't really believe "ghosts" exist per se... although it depends upon how one would define "ghost". Whether the extrascientific phenomena experienced by some are the spirits of the departed dead, or physical manifestations of other living organisms twisted into recogniseable forms, we may never know.

For instance, I know a very old couple coming from a long line of aristocrats probably dating back to the Wars of the Roses or some time around then. They own a huge Victorian mansion with a similarly long history, which is actually inside a small town. Nonetheless, whenever I am inside it, I am assailed by unmistakable feelings of loneliness.

The feelings do not originate from me, as I almost never feel such a heavy feeling anywhere else. They originate from the house itself, or something within it, perhaps yearning for the long-lost days of its greatness in the age of aristocracy, before the modern age came and leveled everyone flat. I've never seen or heard anything out of the ordinary there -- no terror, despair, or anything else associated with "haunted" houses -- but if I go even one room away from everyone else, the house feels empty, quiet, and incredibly lonely.

I suspect one could get lost in that house with all of its passageways, secret rooms, and vast cellar as well. And it is rather creepy at night, but then a lot of big houses are. I think, if I searched, I would dredge up tales of deaths within the house -- but not deaths in the sense of murders or suicides, or even human deaths -- more like a death of an age, of a world, all contained within that few hundred cubic metres of mansion. Those who died there are too aristocratic and honourable to wander around knocking on the walls and howling in the night, if such a thing ever happens; they merely stare in through the windows and feel sad.

Although, there are some stories from people on the internet who claim to have seen ghosts at http://www.ghostgoons.com/, although I'm not sure how accurate they are.

No. When people die they just sit there and decompose. Sorry.

Atheists sit/lie there and decompose because they have no soul. Christians go to Heaven or Hell. Unless they really suck at directions. Then they have to hang around Earth, haunting houses and making invisible faces at unbelievers. :)

Yeah, but how do you know there are no aliens. It's always a possibility.
In the universe somewhere, maybe, though people tend tyo think of evolution as goal oriented and it's not. We ended up smart by pure accident. It's a survival tool, that's all. There's no reason to believe it has been duplicated. Even if it has, they have never been here.

It's a very big universe, and intellegence is a very big asset.

OK, I always thought it was a load of rubbish about ghosts. Then one evening last year ...
I'm like you in that respect. I don't believe in ghosts, but have seen/felt/heard some really weird shit that just don't add up.
One place, I lived in the downstairs part of a 2-storey house. Upstairs was a doctors holiday place, so it was empty 10 months of the year.
When someone was there, cause the ceiling/floor was so thin, I could hear them walking about throughout the entire house (which bugged me no end).
Creepy thing was...
I used to hear footsteps up the stairs and around the lounge some nights when no-one was staying there. What was especially creepy was the stairs led down to the garage which had internal access to my flat.

I was in bed with a woman once and she heard them too, quite clearly. I remember her saying to me, "You told me no-one was home upstairs, you liar!". She didn't believe me when I told there really wasn't anyone there. Until the next day when we went up there and sure enough: No-one there. Man, did she ever freak out! She never came round to my place after that (though that was a good thing - but for other reasons).


Speaking of freaking out, the worst night there was when I was woken up by a huge crash! (like someone dropping a load of metal plates), followed by the worst scream I have ever heard (a truly blood-curdling scream) then footsteps of someone running up the stairs and the door slamming.
Then nothing.
I listened for several minutes, and was putting it down to a night terror when I heard everything exactly the same again. And this time, I was staring straight at my clock when it happened. So I knew I wasn't asleep.
I got my torch and 1848 bayonet out and went upstairs to check, but of course there wasn't anything there.
Didn't have a very good sleep that night.

It's a very big universe, and intellegence is a very big asset.
I'm not saying it didn't happen somewhere else, though I think you probably overestimate intelligence's survival power. What I'm really saying is that, even if it did, they haven't been here. Or anywhere near here and they don't know that we exist.

Oh, so you're an expert then. Can you tell me if my house really is haunted by a ghost who was a life-long, and now death-long Dr Who fan?


Ohh I'll direct you to my first post in this thread.

I'm not saying it didn't happen somewhere else, though I think you probably overestimate intelligence's survival power. What I'm really saying is that, even if it did, they haven't been here. Or anywhere near here and they don't know that we exist.

Correction, WE don't know that THEY exist. Though I can't prove it, I suspect that they are out there watching us, trying to decide if there is intellegent life down here. :)

As for intellegence's survival power, our dominance of this planet speaks for itself, since our brains are the only thing we have going for us.

Even though I'm an atheist, I do believe in ghosts and spirits as I've felt "odd" things in places over the years that can't be explained. I don't think religion has to be associated with ghosts; the two could be seperate somehow.

My little brother has this Dr Who cup that makes funny noises. Yesterday, I was surprised to hear TARDIS noises coming from my kitchen. Upon investigating I found nothing that could of caused the cup to move and thus activate the noise. Just now, I heard it go off again. There is nobody in the house but me...creepy huh?

So what do you think? Was it a ghost or not?

It's an evil spirit who took the shape of a cup....RUNNNNNNN!!!

Correction, WE don't know that THEY exist. Though I can't prove it, I suspect that they are out there watching us, trying to decide if there is intellegent life down here. :)I'm stating as a fact what I feel is a certainty. THEY don't know WE exist, either.

As for intellegence's survival power, our dominance of this planet speaks for itself, since our brains are the only thing we have going for us.
We'll see how long that lasts. On a geologic scale. Well, we won't, but you get my drift. We're a blink of an eye so far. When we've dominated this planet for half a billion years then maybe we can say we're special. We've been here for less than 100,000 years so far.

This is a bit of a conflicting belief of mine: I don't know if I believe in ghosts in the typical sense, but there are people I know who claim to have seen them, and I know that they're not making it up. I guess I can't prove to you that they aren't, but it's something I know so you kinda just have to take my word for it. For the record, none of them are alcoholics or drug users or dilusional.
My favourite is my sister's best friend's mom, Karen. I heard the story four years ago, and it takes place about eleven years ago (from now). Karen had come home from work, and her husband Graham wasn't home yet. She walked in, and she smelled cigarette smoke. Neither her nor her husband smoke, and even if they did, they hadn't been home for hours. On her living room couch, right near the front hallway, there was her father sitting on the couch, who had died three years prior. She didn't describe whether he was translucent or opaque or anything, just that he was smoking a cigarette and said to her "you will get what you want", then disappeared. Again, whether the disappearance was gradual or sudden, fading away or floating away, she never said. The next day, she took a home pregnency test and found out that she was pregnant with my sister's friend, Laura.
It really caught me off guard when I heard the story, since I had NEVER pegged Karen as the supernatural type, and certainly not the type to make up a story like that.
Recently, my girlfriend Lynette took me down to a shop that she goes to that sells occult paraphernalia, such as books, candles, equipment and other such things. I found it very interesting, and when I saw a book on angels, I decided to pick it up. I'm currently about half-way through it, but some of the stories I have heard are astounding, and similar in nature to Karen's.
So, in short, I believe in ghosts in the sense of angels (which is strange since I don't believe in the Judeo-Christian God), but there are some stories, like the ghost rider posted by Carisbrooke, that make me believe that maybe ghosts are angels trapped in this world, or a demonic presence. Really, I don't know, and that's all there is to it. I believe in a Godly force in the universe, and I believe in angels in a non-denominational way, but I don't believe anybody can ever know what's there until we get there. Guess that makes me an agnostic, then.

My little brother has this Dr Who cup that makes funny noises. Yesterday, I was surprised to hear TARDIS noises coming from my kitchen. Upon investigating I found nothing that could of caused the cup to move and thus activate the noise. Just now, I heard it go off again. There is nobody in the house but me...creepy huh?

So what do you think? Was it a ghost or not?
Define "ghost," please.

Define "ghost," please.
That which does not exist.

We'll see how long that lasts. On a geologic scale. Well, we won't, but you get my drift. We're a blink of an eye so far. When we've dominated this planet for half a billion years then maybe we can say we're special. We've been here for less than 100,000 years so far.

We've had more impact on the planet in our 100,000 years than the dinosaurs did in their 100 million (or whatever it was). It's anyone's guess whether we'll beat them in longevity. Simple bad luck (like having a big, honking asteriod smash the planet) trumps anything else, and would wipe us out as easily as it did the dinosaurs.

We've had more impact on the planet in our 100,000 years than the dinosaurs did in their 100 million (or whatever it was). It's anyone's guess whether we'll beat them in longevity. Simple bad luck (like having a big, honking asteriod smash the planet) trumps anything else, and would wipe us out as easily as it did the dinosaurs.
My points exactly. The fact that we've changed the planet so much may mean that we carry the seeds of our own destruction. Intelligence may, in fact, be it's own undoing. As for asteroids, yeah, that, too. Being smart isn't really going to help much in that scenario. I'm assuming any other life out there is subject to the same sorts of natural disasters as we are.

That which does not exist.
That's a pretty broad definition. So square circles would be ghosts?

My points exactly. The fact that we've changed the planet so much may mean that we carry the seeds of our own destruction. Intelligence may, in fact, be it's own undoing.

I think it would be more accurate to say that overconfidence in our own intelligence could be our undoing. Intelligence isn't the problem at all, it's the gaps in our intelligence and understanding that are the problem.


As for asteroids, yeah, that, too. Being smart isn't really going to help much in that scenario.

Clearly you did not learn anything from the Bruce Willis movie about the asteroid. Being smart will indeed help us survive an asteroid, though we also will require a quirky group of misfits and Liv Tyler.


I'm assuming any other life out there is subject to the same sorts of natural disasters as we are.
That's a radical and unfounded assumption.

That's a pretty broad definition. So square circles would be ghosts?
In the slang sense of the word. :rolleyes:

Well, if you're an atheist, there goes the whole ghost thing, since according to atheists, there is no soul, and therefor, since a ghost is just a soul out of the body...

But as a beleiver, I also beleive ghosts do exist. If someone gets to attached to something is his/her lifetime, then they become a ghost when dying.

Anyway, there's no REAL proof they exist, and no proof they don't, so it's useless to debate. How about a poll?

How about a poll?
I didn't think of that...
Is there a way to add a poll?

They don't. OOOOOOOOOOO, a bunch of spots! They must be ghosts!

I didn't think of that...
Is there a way to add a poll?
Click on the thread tools drop-down menu.

Here is a thread with a few stories of strange phenom:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=479548