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"Iran conducted a test launch Tuesday night of the Shihab-3 intermediate-range ballistic missile, which is capable of reaching Israel and US targets in the region, Israel Radio reported. "

So they are working on Nuclear Weapons, and have missles with which to deliver them to Israel. Are these nutjobs running Iran closing in very quicly to a date with Armageddon?

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1148287850178&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Look, the people in charge of Iran are politicians, they tell the public what they want to hear.

The Iranian public wants to hear agressive rhetoric.

However, politicians will never willingly do anything likely to become public that will jeapordise their position.

Nuking somebody would not just jeapordise their position, they know they'd be gone.

Ergo, the Iranian government won't ever use nukes against another country. Or attack another country that they're confident they can beat, as well as that other countries allies and military supporters.

Iran test-fires long-range missile"Iran conducted a test launch Tuesday night of the Shihab-3 intermediate-range ballistic missile
long, intermediate, make up your mind...

Look, the people in charge of Iran are politicians, they tell the public what they want to hear.

The Iranian public wants to hear agressive rhetoric.

However, politicians will never willingly do anything likely to become public that will jeapordise their position.

Nuking somebody would not just jeapordise their position, they know they'd be gone.

Ergo, the Iranian government won't ever use nukes against another country. Or attack another country that they're confident they can beat, as well as that other countries allies and military supporters.
This assumes that the people running that government are sane. They haven't done anything to prove that to me.

Especially the Letter from the Iranian President that was long on lunacy and short on sanity.

Mutually assured destruction only works on SANE leaders.

Abaminhed is NOT sane.

SHTF is possible anyday now.

Mutually assured destruction only works on SANE leaders.

Abaminhed is NOT sane.

SHTF is possible anyday now.

And yet Kim Jong-Il is a lucid individual who can be reasoned with through negotiations? Man, I love this administration's hypocrisy.

Your question is premised upon the unfounded assumption that Iran is developing a Nuclear weapon. Niether you, nor anyone else has any proof to that effect.

Ergo, your scaremongering is BS.

In my opinion, regardless of the Iranian's use of their nuclear technology, someone will get hurt. Either they attack someone and get obliterated in return, or the US attacks them to prevent them from using the nukes.

So they are working on Nuclear Weapons, and have missles with which to deliver them to Israel.

Not all missiles are capable of mating with nukes and Iran does not yet have mastered miniaturization of nukes. Though I am critical of Iran's pursuit of nukes and sponsoring of hizb and hamas, I would put this as exaggeration and not helping in understanding of the issue.

One thing I would like to make clear. It is one thing to have a nuclear bomb. It is also one thing to have a long range ballistic missle. The key to it is to be able to fit a small enough warhead onto a ballistic missle. It is extremely technological process. Iran could be a long ways from doing this. Now the Chinese with all there manpower and seemingly limitless abilities actually had to steal the W88 nuke plans from los Alamos before they even were capable of a good ballistic warhead.

Not all missiles are capable of mating with nukes and Iran does not yet have mastered miniaturization of nukes. Though I am critical of Iran's pursuit of nukes and sponsoring of hizb and hamas, I would put this as exaggeration and not helping in understanding of the issue.
Damn you for beating me by a few minutes. ;)

long, intermediate, make up your mind...

The term "Long Range Missile" is not a technical term while Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRBM)is.

Besides, it looks better on the headline.

But this IRBM could carry a Chemical or Biological warhead with relative ease.

lets not wait and see if they will or will not nuke some1, most likely israel. lets just wipe them off the face of the earth. NUKE IRAN! NUKE IRAN!

The Shahab 3 has been flying for ages, dudes. Even the Shahab 3B (http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/printer_396.shtml) (with fancy features, like the warhead being able to change directions and evade anti-missile missiles) has been tested before.

The US won't have anything to worry about until Shahab 5 and 6.

"Iran conducted a test launch Tuesday night of the Shihab-3 intermediate-range ballistic missile, which is capable of reaching Israel and US targets in the region, Israel Radio reported. "



And of course they don't tell us WHERE in the region these targets are. The targets they're talking about could easily be troops just across the border in Iraq. I really don't see anything to worry about, this is the sort of panic inducing trickery the media/government uses to justify attacks on other countries.

Yeah-lets just sit around talking about it. I'm sure Iran only wants to create clean, safe power for itself and have effective defensive weapons. :rolleyes:

Who will be shrieking when Iran has a viable ballistic weapon and starts using it to weight their demands and position ? In my opinion, they shouldnt have either. I dont give a flying fuck for all the arguments either.
These arent the type of people you sit and watch while they build a position of power. Then you almost have to deal on their terms.

Deal with them now before they have an advantage.

It seems they're eager for a scrap.
Bring on the grapeshot!


( Hearts of Oak are our ships,
Gallant Tars are our men,
We always are ready,
Stay, boys, steady!
We'll fight and we'll conquer again and again.)

Not all missiles are capable of mating with nukes and Iran does not yet have mastered miniaturization of nukes. Though I am critical of Iran's pursuit of nukes and sponsoring of hizb and hamas, I would put this as exaggeration and not helping in understanding of the issue.

A typical nuclear weapon, such as the warheads developed by Pakistan, weigh in at around a ton.

The missiles we're talking about don't require a miniaturized design. Advanced missiles like the now-retired Pershing II were small missiles that could go 1200 miles because the warheads were also tiny.

The Shahab-3 series (as well as the North Korean Taepo Dong) are not small missiles. Both have payload capacities of a ton or more, depending on how far you want to send them.

The Shahab-3 series (as well as the North Korean Taepo Dong) are not small missiles.
They're also two different missiles.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/dprk/missile/td-2.htm

The Tae Po Dong 2 is the equivalent of a Shahab 5, and the Iranians haven't gotten it going yet.

But yes, the warhead of both potentially weighs roughly a ton.

The US had nuclear arms since 1944 and global reach with ICBMs since the late 1960s. When should the rest of the world boycott the US for that? Same arguments as the warmongers are promoting against Iran.

Yeah-lets just sit around talking about it. I'm sure Iran only wants to create clean, safe power for itself and have effective defensive weapons. :rolleyes:

Who will be shrieking when Iran has a viable ballistic weapon and starts using it to weight their demands and position ? In my opinion, they shouldnt have either. I dont give a flying fuck for all the arguments either.
These arent the type of people you sit and watch while they build a position of power. Then you almost have to deal on their terms.

Deal with them now before they have an advantage.
Ah yes, only current nuclear powers are allowed to have nuclear weapons to weight their demands and position. That's not hypocritical.

i think the Israelis are just waiting for an excuse to hit them with air strikes and commando raids. Th eonly reason it hasn't happened yet is the tim eit takes to plane co-ordinated strikes agaisnt widely spread targets.

Ah yes, only current nuclear powers are allowed to have nuclear weapons to weight their demands and position. That's not hypocritical.


I couldnt give a good flying fuck wether you feel its hypocritical or not.

Are you saying you would prefer Iran has both a nuke and the ability to deliver it simply for the sake of being FAIR ?!?

No- you couldnt possibly be so naive.

No- I dont want Iran to have nukes.

I would much rather have people call me a hypocrite than be forced to deal with Iran on their terms.

A typical nuclear weapon, such as the warheads developed by Pakistan, weigh in at around a ton.

The missiles we're talking about don't require a miniaturized design. Advanced missiles like the now-retired Pershing II were small missiles that could go 1200 miles because the warheads were also tiny.

The Shahab-3 series (as well as the North Korean Taepo Dong) are not small missiles. Both have payload capacities of a ton or more, depending on how far you want to send them.

Pakistan did not develop anything. They were proliferated both nukes (directly by China) and missiles (by China through NK).

Infact, after the NoDong missiles were proliferated to Pak, they painted it in green, renamed it as Ghauri and announced that they have a nuke-capable missile, eventhough they did no extensive testing necessary for such mating of the nuke warhead to the missile. Reason is because both the nuke warhead and the missile (the NoDong itself was proliferated to NK by China) were compatible because of its Chinese origins.

Reg Iran, I am under the impression that it is not that easy to just mount a warhead to a missile and launch it. What is the Shahab's origin by the way?

The US had nuclear arms since 1944 and global reach with ICBMs since the late 1960s. When should the rest of the world boycott the US for that? Same arguments as the warmongers are promoting against Iran.


They would boycott us if they could. They cant. But there certainly are forces working hard to make it so they can.