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Oftentimes, I hear and read about christians who don't believe in evolution and want to ban it. My question is, does anyone know in what regard muslims hold evolution?

Just a random thought.

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Actually it's an interesting question but I really don't know. I guess I wasn't paying any attention in school...:rolleyes: Sorry.

Actualy very intresting ... and the op managed to ask a very reasonable question about islam (thats rare)

I wish I had an answer lol

Um, I think Islam has an official stance of embracing science, becuase it provides ways to understands Allah's great work.

Darmin was not Muslum, therefore he MUST be wrong...:rolleyes:

Darmin was not Muslum, therefore he MUST be wrong...:rolleyes:
ok?

Actually, you've got me thinking. I'll check out some websites then come back to let you know what I've discovered.

Actually, you've got me thinking. I'll check out some websites then come back to let you know what I've discovered.
Doing the same ... found a dutch one that is in neon green lol

I have this Qur'an with a guide to islam, and thats what that guide says...so thats my official story

-see post 5-

Um, I think Islam has an official stance of embracing science, becuase it provides ways to understands Allah's great work.
Seems to be a resonable stance to me if I were religious

Um, I think Islam has an official stance of embracing science, becuase it provides ways to understands Allah's great work.

its a bummer more christians dont feel this way :(

Seems to be a resonable stance to me if I were religious


Yeah, thats my official stance, being a christian and all.

Doing the same ... found a dutch one that is in neon green lol

Try this one.
http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_151_200/muslim_responses_to_evolution.htm
Unless you actually read dutch and find neon green pleasing to your eyes.

Um, I think Islam has an official stance of embracing science, becuase it provides ways to understands Allah's great work.
interesting that they embrace scientific but not social advances.

interesting that they embrace scientific but not social advances.


Actually most muslims do embrace social advances, but they, like christianity, have those wild people that seem to be running the show.

its a bummer more christians dont feel this way :(
I think you'll find a lot of Christians feel that way. They're just not Obnoxious nor loud enough to get media attention.

can you imagine some Preacher standing at a corner screaming "Evolution is true, it just explains the Method GOD uses to create Life!"

the sudden sounds of people ignoring him will only be deafened by the choruses of "so what"

Actually most muslims do embrace social advances, but they, like christianity, have those wild people that seem to be running the show.
Isn't the ruling about women covering their heads (not just their entire face) and what type of clothes they wear still being enforced as a religious tenent, even in the US?

(not sarcasm, just an honest question.)

I think you'll find a lot of Christians feel that way. They're just not Obnoxious nor loud enough to get media attention.

can you imagine some Preacher standing at a corner screaming "Evolution is true, it just explains the Method GOD uses to create Life!"

the sudden sounds of people ignoring him will only be deafened by the choruses of "so what"

they dont need the media attention...it makes me sad that its the nut cases that get the media.

though i have to agree with you about the street preacher, it would be funny to hear though, it would be a nice change:D

I've found out that some muslims think that evolution is totally contradictory with the Islamic teachings, and so they just dismiss it as falsehood.
Other muslims just pick-and-choose between the teachings of the koran and the theory of evolution. Thinking both are right in parts.
Does this remind you of the followers of a certain other major religion?

Isn't the ruling about women covering their heads (not just their entire face) and what type of clothes they wear still being enforced as a religious tenent, even in the US?

(not sarcasm, just an honest question.)


Many liberal muslims will argue that wearing that is too much, and if the women have to be that covered, then so do the men. They say rather ALL muslims, should desire to wear modest clothing, much like the ancient jews and the christians say.

I've found out that some muslims think that evolution is totally contradictory with the Islamic teachings, and so they just dismiss it as falsehood.
Other muslims just pick-and-choose between the teachings of the koran and the theory of evolution. Thinking both are right in parts.
Does this remind you of the followers of a certain other major religion?


yeah...damn buddhists!!!!:rolleyes:

Many liberal muslims will argue that wearing that is too much, and if the women have to be that covered, then so do the men. They say rather ALL muslims, should desire to wear modest clothing, much like the ancient jews and the christians say.
cool. I just remember reading/hearing something different. thanks.

yeah...damn buddhists!!!!:rolleyes:
what are you talking about... Its those damned FSMists... I can't eat a bowl of pasta without running into those freaks! :D

cool. I just remember reading/hearing something different. thanks.


Yeah, I have studied a little into islam and all about the social issues and such..little known fact: I was a muslim for 3 days last year, during a dark time in my christian faith.

what are you talking about... Its those damned FSMists... I can't eat a bowl of pasta without running into those freaks! :D


:D

interesting that they embrace scientific but not social advances.

The problem is that Scientific advances are obvious and linear - the steam engine is better than the horse at pulling stuff, etc. What is defined as a 'social advance' is much more subjective - while Socialists see leftist policies as the future, Rightists see them as the past. To say that Islam isn't embracing social advances is say that there is an objective standard of social advance, when in reality it's a subjective thing.

Muslims are just like Christians when it comes to evolution. They also believe in the Adam and Eve story...and the old testament (I think).

Some muslims invent something like macro-evolution and micro-evolution and some such pseudo-scientific nonsense (read Harun Yahya) to attempt a reconciliation of science and islamic theology.

The idea that muslims are more favorably disposed to science is unprovable both in historic context and modern context.

The problem is that Scientific advances are obvious and linear - the steam engine is better than the horse at pulling stuff, etc. What is defined as a 'social advance' is much more subjective - while Socialists see leftist policies as the future, Rightists see them as the past. To say that Islam isn't embracing social advances is say that there is an objective standard of social advance, when in reality it's a subjective thing.

Well subjective or not, I think socially advanced people don't dance in the streets when a fellow Muslim brings down two towers full of people. I think most societies have evolved past such absurdities.

Whether they believe in evolution or not regarding creation, they obviously don't believe in it regarding their own lives. 9th century barbarism went out in oh..say the 9th century. It would be a better world if the Islamic Fundamentalist Schools evolved right out of the picture.

Ok let me give you some insites of my faith. Islam does embrace science and it also does beleive in the Adam and Eve story.
Many people then say "well that is contradictory". Well its not in one big thing. We don't know how long God took to make Adam and Eve and what the process was. This is were theorizing comes in.
Some muslims say evolution is a stupid idea, we never came from monkeys.
While others say God did make us out of clay but in an evolutionary process. Because that clay eventually turns into organizms and those organisms turned to humans.
So there are 2 groups of people. Some that beleive in the more scienctific view, and others that go with the more how should i say creationiztic(?) view.
And to go about that comment on how muslims fail to advance socially. I have to points to make. There are A LOT of muslims. So you can't say that muslims fail to advance socially. You can say a target region, like middle east. Which is what i assume you were infering. Also maybe it is them that are advanced. What so girls can;t go out inpublic naked? Personally i think that is a good thing. Its a common misjudgment that girls are treated poorly in our religion. You should read up they are treated very well. And most muslim women don't complain.
Thank you that was my 2 cents. I hope i helped out in some way.

Well subjective or not, I think socially advanced people don't dance in the streets when a fellow Muslim brings down two towers full of people.

True, and most didn't.

Well subjective or not, I think socially advanced people don't dance in the streets when a fellow Muslim brings down two towers full of people. I think most societies have evolved past such absurdities.

Whether they believe in evolution or not regarding creation, they obviously don't believe in it regarding their own lives. 9th century barbarism went out in oh..say the 9th century. It would be a better world if the Islamic Fundamentalist Schools evolved right out of the picture.

Maybe you don;t live in the modern world. But most muslims did't dance around when a bunch of people died. Infact most many muslims were horrified by the TERRORIST actions. Trust me 1.4 billion people aren't terrorist. OR else everybody would be dead.

And in the USA most muslims not only were terrofied at what happened, but scared for there safty. Cause hate towards muslims grew that day. And many families including my own were harrased by stupid fools like yourself. So please don't be aware of others next time you say something like that.

being horrified by the act of terrorism and acting against terrorism would seem to be two very different things. how much of the muslim community took a role against terrorism or were they worried only about the repercusions of the act?

The Muslims I have asked don't belive in evolution or think evolution is controlled by Allah.....

Many couldn't beleive that somebody would kill so many inoscent people. That is what was so scary. They were just as horrified as everybody else that learned the news. But many also feared on how this will affect them. Because like i said many people attributed the actions of the terrorists to all muslims and hate all of us for it. Unlike if it where a christian terrorist. If it was people wouldn't hate christians. Just like those okhlahoma bombings that they were ready to blaim muslimss, but it turned out to be christian people. And nothing happened people were all "ok they get punished lets move on."

I also think that we should go back on the topic of evolution.

Many couldn't beleive that somebody would kill so many inoscent people. That is what was so scary. They were just as horrified as everybody else that learned the news. But many also feared on how this will affect them. Because like i said many people attributed the actions of the terrorists to all muslims and hate all of us for it. Unlike if it where a christian terrorist. If it was people wouldn't hate christians. Just like those okhlahoma bombings that they were ready to blaim muslimss, but it turned out to be christian people. And nothing happened people were all "ok they get punished lets move on."

I also think that we should go back on the topic of evolution.

You realize we executed that baby killing asshole right?

WHo is we, and who is the asshole? Cause i definatly did not kill no baby, and i know none who did.

christian terrorist or muslim terrorist, strip away the robe of religeon and what you reveal is really a political terrorist trying to bring attention to their cause. oklahoma bombing and 9/11 were both carried out by extremeist neither following the quidelines of their respective religeons

WHo is we, and who is the asshole? Cause i definatly did not kill no baby, and i know none who did.
he refers to the children killed in the bommbing and the person responsible

WHo is we, and who is the asshole? Cause i definatly did not kill no baby, and i know none who did.

We = the US

Asshole = Tim McVeigh

WOW that is news to me. Ha i guess you really do learn something new everyday. haha i like how this was a evolution thread but it turned into a political one. oops

Inasmuch as Islam seems to be stuck in the 7th century, we can probably expect them to just be hearing of evolution in about 1,200 years' time.

Ha if the islam is stuck in the 7th century and will therefor not learn about science for a while, then what about all these evolution-denying christians that, as you might have implicated, live in the "now" ? Theism doesn't allow an absolute embrace of evolutionairy ideas in my honest opinion...unless you also deny the law of non-contradiction.

Ha if the islam is stuck in the 7th century and will therefor not learn about science for a while, then what about all these evolution-denying christians that, as you might have implicated, live in the "now" ? Theism doesn't allow an absolute embrace of evolutionairy ideas in my honest opinion...unless you also deny the law of non-contradiction.

Ah, but you see, these evolution-denying Christians have at least heard of evolution or they wouldn't be denying it. In the Muslim world, it's still about AD 650, and evolution wasn't even theorized until the 19th century, so it essentially won't even exist as far as Islam is concerned until around the year 3350.

Ah, but you see, these evolution-denying Christians have at least heard of evolution or they wouldn't be denying it. In the Muslim world, it's still about AD 650, and evolution wasn't even theorized until the 19th century, so it essentially won't even exist as far as Islam is concerned until around the year 3350.

:eek: I assume this wasn't mean't as serious reasoning.:D

The Muslims I know all embrace education. The ones I've engaged online, generally claim they do as well, except when it involves little theories they dislike, like evolution.

I don't know any Muslims who weren't outraged over 9/11. I know a lot of non-Mulsims who threw spontaneous parties when it happened - I'm one of them.

Don't get me wrong. I don't, and I doubt anyone else want, to see Americans die. But man.. You'd had that comming for 40 years.

Still, it just made everything worse.

Before you start: no. Nobody hates your "freedom". People hate your policy of subjugation & exploitation. People hate your economic hegemony. In short; people hate you for taking away their freedom.

That's why people party when you get a taste of your own medicin. It's not because they're happy about people dying. It's not because they're looking forward to more war. It's simply the instant gratification of seeing the bully of the world get a kick in the ass.

:eek: I assume this wasn't mean't as serious reasoning.:D

Not particularly serious, no. But it comes from a serious impulse. I truly believe that a religion that recommends that people like me be crushed to death under a stone wall is in fact backward and its adherents deserving of no consideration. And if they have such backward social notions, it's not too wild to assume that they'd be equally backward in other areas.

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Fuck, this was about evolution remember. So don't post stupid bullshit in which you are generalizing about "Americans". I'm not American btw. One: partying implies happiness, while people have died??? You fool. Two: people working and living in the US aren't necessarily people who take away the freedom of the earth's population. Sorry, you made me angry, you stupid fuck. Pardon my english.:mad:

Not particularly serious, no. But it comes from a serious impulse. I truly believe that a religion that recommends that people like me be crushed to death under a stone wall is in fact backward and its adherents deserving of no consideration. And if they have such backward social notions, it's not too wild to assume that they'd be equally backward in other areas.

Remember the catholic church would handle their opponents the same in the past. That it's not happening now anymore, has all it's cause in the loss of power. The islam world also lost much of it's power during it's existence; they just have a hard time living with it right now, because historically muslims are used to fast spreading of their faith. But then again crushing non-believers under a stone wall is not a common way for muslims anyhow. So those backward notions don't exist, maybe just in places where their power is still very great. Such power would have the same effect on christian notions towards powerless minorities (look at the past). I think your assumption is too fast-forward.

To Similization:

Fuck, this was about evolution remember. So don't post stupid bullshit in which you are generalizing about "Americans". I'm not American btw. One: partying implies happiness, while people have died??? You fool. Two: people working and living in the US aren't necessarily people who take away the freedom of the earth's population. Sorry, you made me angry, you stupid fuck. Pardon my english.:mad:Take a step back. Look at how strong a reaction you just had to something as innocent as a few words on your screen.

Now perhaps you can begin to understand why a lot of people will have a similar reaction to seeing the US hurt. It's the same damn thing.

If it makes you feel better, I'm ashamed of my own reaction. Regardless of how satisfying it was to see the US get clubbered, the massmurder of innocents is no cause for celebration.

Sorry about the off-topicness

Remember the catholic church would handle their opponents the same in the past. That it's not happening now anymore, has all it's cause in the loss of power. The islam world also lost much of it's power during it's existence; they just have a hard time living with it right now, because historically muslims are used to fast spreading of their faith. But then again crushing non-believers under a stone wall is not a common way for muslims anyhow. So those backward notions don't exist, maybe just in places where their power is still very great. Such power would have the same effect on christian notions towards powerless minorities (look at the past). I think your assumption is too fast-forward.

By "people like me", I mean gay people. If devout Muslims want people like me dead, their feelings do not matter at all. Same goes for Christians, Jews, Hindus, or even atheists if they feel that way. I consider them my personal enemy.

Take a step back. Look at how strong a reaction you just had to something as innocent as a few words on your screen.

Now perhaps you can begin to understand why a lot of people will have a similar reaction to seeing the US hurt. It's the same damn thing.

If it makes you feel better, I'm ashamed of my own reaction. Regardless of how satisfying it was to see the US get clubbered, the massmurder of innocents is no cause for celebration.

Sorry about the off-topicness

Ok, it does make me feel better...it implies hope for a human future in some way...but know that words are not that innocent at all, they've brought a lot of harm to the world, especially some books and scriptures...

So now I'll take a step back, back to evolution-talk;)

By "people like me", I mean gay people. If devout Muslims want people like me dead, their feelings do not matter at all. Same goes for Christians, Jews, Hindus, or even atheists if they feel that way. I consider them my personal enemy.

Ok, I think phobia of gay people isn't patented by religions. So don't blame the religions for THAT...you may blame them for existing tough:) . No seriously, I think the hate against gays is a cultural thing and even tough religion is weaved into cultures, it's not the same. You may consider gay-haters your personal enemies, just don't pull their whole background into that one issue that they've got. ...just kill them piece by piece:rolleyes:

Muslims have pretty much the same view on evolution as Christians do. Fundamentalists don't agree at all, while more pragmatic people of course agree with the idea of evolution. The debates and arguments among Muslim scholars are very similar to those used by Christians. This is not very surprising. All three major monotheistic religions (Jews, Chsristians and Muslims) have the same God and basically share the same explanation of the creation.

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