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I am sure that you are aware of the global warming issue. We people just can't stop polluting, and I don't think this is going to change in the near future...:( Hence the difficult question.
To me the only way this could be stopped is if some evil environmentalist dictator came into power and did what he thought was necessary. But I don't want to die! (Actually, if I was that dictator then there would be no need for me to die. Heh heh...)
Do you think this is too extreme? Would you rather we just carried on as we are? Do you think it dosn't matter? It wont happen in our lifetimes, right! Then tell me what you think.

As more advanced technologies come into use, the issue will be solved. Let's not be alarmist.

As more advanced technologies come into use, the issue will be solved. Let's not be alarmist.
Are you absolutely sure about that?

I am sure that you are aware of the global warming issue. We people just can't stop polluting, and I don't think this is going to change in the near future...:( Hence the difficult question.
To me the only way this could be stopped is if some evil environmentalist dictator came into power and did what he thought was necessary. But I don't want to die! (Actually, if I was that dictator then there would be no need for me to die. Heh heh...)
Do you think this is too extreme? Would you rather we just carried on as we are? Do you think it dosn't matter? It wont happen in our lifetimes, right! Then tell me what you think.

Culling humans is morally wrong and degrades humans to nothing more than cattle.

Negative, culling is WRONG.

Why not?

Shall we start with Great Britain first?

Few problems with this.

A: The "polluting" industries have too much power

B: Environmentalists are rarely listened too

C: An Environmentalist Dictator could never rise to power (see 'A' and 'B')

Are you absolutely sure about that?
Yes. Technology will only go forwards, not backwards, ceteris paribus.

Are you absolutely sure about that?
Yes. Science will solve all our problems, right after it creates them.

I think anyone who supports forced population reduction should lead by example.

Well, first, this is nonsensical for a number of reasons. (Not the least of which is the concept "evil environmentalist dictator"...which is absurd on a number of levels.)

But, ok, let's try it. How do we do it? Cattle are (generally) considered property...and thus, owners may make decisions of value. They routinely remove members of the herd that are weak, or sick, or less useful for whatever reason. On what criteria are we going to cull the people herd? If we assume "environmentalism" is the argument here...we should start with the folks who consume the most resources per capita. Oh wait...that's going to end badly for me as an American...and the rest of the industrialized world isn't too far behind.

I guess it's a good thing we have all those tanks and bombs to thwart any environmentalist uprisings.

I think anyone who supports forced population reduction should lead by example.

"Okay. We will now commit mass suicide. Now the pool is allot more shallow than we originally thought so you're going to have to hold your head underwater. Like so................................."

I am sure that you are aware of the global warming issue. We people just can't stop polluting, and I don't think this is going to change in the near future...:( Hence the difficult question.
To me the only way this could be stopped is if some evil environmentalist dictator came into power and did what he thought was necessary. But I don't want to die! (Actually, if I was that dictator then there would be no need for me to die. Heh heh...)
Do you think this is too extreme? Would you rather we just carried on as we are? Do you think it dosn't matter? It wont happen in our lifetimes, right! Then tell me what you think.

It *is* happening in our lifetime. I live on the north atlantic ocean and the changes are just crazy. We've even got new species of plants, insects and animals which couldn't thrive up here a few years ago. The most annoying one is the hornet, those weren't around when I was a kid.
And it's killing many species of fish and forcing other species to relocate at an incredible rate. There is a glacier I see every summer, it's shrinking very fast. You're not supposed to be able to "watch" a glacier shrink. And every summer we have new heat records which shatter the old ones.
Polar bears are a thing of the past, but I'm sure one of these days they will probably be replaced by rhinos who got here by travelling on an imported banana.

But what to do about it? Well... It's probably too late. And even if we did have the answer, I'm pretty sure there'd be countries who wouldn't want to put them into effect.
But mass-murder is definetely not the answer.

It *is* happening in our lifetime. I live on the north atlantic ocean and the changes are just crazy. We've even got new species of plants, insects and animals which couldn't thrive up here a few years ago. The most annoying one is the hornet, those weren't around when I was a kid.
And it's killing many species of fish and forcing other species to relocate at an incredible rate. There is a glacier I see every summer, it's shrinking very fast. You're not supposed to be able to "watch" a glacier shrink. And every summer we have new heat records which shatter the old ones.
Polar bears are a thing of the past, but I'm sure one of these days they will probably be replaced by rhinos who got here by travelling on an imported banana.

But what to do about it? Well... It's probably too late. And even if we did have the answer, I'm pretty sure there'd be countries who wouldn't want to put them into effect.
But mass-murder is definetely not the answer.
Genetic Engineering. Force the fish to like the hotter water, give the hornet a few more predators, make the Polar Bears have a taste for rhino meat, and then fix the chaos that that causes.

Humans are being "culled" everday.

Disease, murder and good old personal vices- tobacco, alcohol and drugs, gluttony- are all keeping the population down.

Clearly it's the llamas.

I would be in favour of testing for potential parents. There are plenty of people who are parents who shouldn't be, and if one had to get a parenting permit, it would be much better.

I would be in favour of testing for potential parents. There are plenty of people who are parents who shouldn't be, and if one had to get a parenting permit, it would be much better.
This is of what relevance to environmental disaster?

Genetic Engineering. Force the fish to like the hotter water, give the hornet a few more predators, make the Polar Bears have a taste for rhino meat, and then fix the chaos that that causes.

:D

Yes. Technology will only go forwards, not backwards, ceteris paribus.
People have been aware of this problem for a long, long time, and where are all the petrol free cars? I don't see any on the roads. It seems like wishful thinking to me, just hoping someone will invent somethig to make it all go away... I find that unlikely.


I think anyone who supports forced population reduction should lead by example.
Who said I supported it? killing humans is morally wrong. I really don't want people to be slaughtered en masse. I just think our race is doomed unless we do somethig drastic right now. I posed this question to get people thinking. It is my sincerest wish that all the world leaders decide to think of future generations and the world we live in. And actually do something!

People have been aware of this problem for a long, long time, and where are all the petrol free cars? I don't see any on the roads. It seems like wishful thinking to me, just hoping someone will invent somethig to make it all go away... I find that unlikely.
Sweden is already researching alternative energies (and seriously) to end our oil-dependence. Hydrogen cars are not too far off. Be patient. By the mid-half of this century I predict an end on oil-dependence and petrol use.

This is of what relevance to environmental disaster?
There are too many people fucking up this planet. It certainly is relevent.

There are too many people fucking up this planet. It certainly is relevent.
The planet is over-populated, in certain areas, sure, but there are most definitely better ways to go about this than licensing parents, before they've even had their first child. :confused:

There are too many people fucking on this planet. It certainly is relevent.

Corrected for accuracy. ;)

The planet is over-populated, in certain areas, sure, but there are most definitely better ways to go about this than licensing parents, before they've even had their first child. :confused:
I don't actually agree that we should have formal permission just to breed. I was just pointing out that it is relevent to this topic.

I don't actually agree that we should have formal permission just to breed. I was just pointing out that it is relevent to this topic.
If put into proper context. Just posting information like that is totally off-topic if not analysed properly.

I am sure that you are aware of the global warming issue. We people just can't stop polluting, and I don't think this is going to change in the near future...:( Hence the difficult question.
To me the only way this could be stopped is if some evil environmentalist dictator came into power and did what he thought was necessary. But I don't want to die! (Actually, if I was that dictator then there would be no need for me to die. Heh heh...)
Do you think this is too extreme? Would you rather we just carried on as we are? Do you think it dosn't matter? It wont happen in our lifetimes, right! Then tell me what you think.
we do institute programs for culling humans, they're called WARS.

Corrected for accuracy. ;)
That's right! But stopping people from having sex is just wrong! Culling people is a much nicer way to controll over-population. :rolleyes:

People have been aware of this problem for a long, long time, and where are all the petrol free cars? I don't see any on the roads. It seems like wishful thinking to me, just hoping someone will invent somethig to make it all go away... I find that unlikely.



Who said I supported it? killing humans is morally wrong. I really don't want people to be slaughtered en masse. I just think our race is doomed unless we do somethig drastic right now. I posed this question to get people thinking. It is my sincerest wish that all the world leaders decide to think of future generations and the world we live in. And actually do something!

There's already tons of non-governmental programs in place that are dealing with the problem, or encouraging the industry to deal with the problem, etc. Easy to find the information if you're in an uber-liberal area. ;)

Also, I saw an article that Japanese researchers had found that the hole in the ozone layer is closing, which indicates that we actually are doing stuff. All we have to do is keep at it, which we will do. Technology hasn't made it there yet, but it's getting there.

nature calls it AIDS... or the bubonick plauge eather works quite well;)

All we need is a massive space program that ships off our excess population. It's like culling, except without the killing bit. And it could very well be voluntary - there'll probably be a lot of people who want to live in space, once the technology is up and running... :cool:

All we need is a massive space program that ships off our excess population. It's like culling, except without the killing bit. And it could very well be voluntary - there'll probably be a lot of people who want to live in space, once the technology is up and running... :cool:
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Culling people is all very well, but couldn't we at least try with the wind power and nuclear energy and electric cars first and see if that works out? Shouldn't we at least give that a go before we whip out the big bottles of ethnic cleanser? And we don't need new technology to do it, we can vastly reduce environmental impact using technology we have today.

Culling people is all very well, but couldn't we at least try with the wind power and nuclear energy and electric cars first and see if that works out? Shouldn't we at least give that a go before we whip out the big bottles of ethnic cleanser? And we don't need new technology to do it, we can vastly reduce environmental impact using technology we have today.
Then what exactly am I supposed to do this weekend?

Then what exactly am I supposed to do this weekend?
Yeah, those bottles of ehtnic cleanser were going cheep. Buy two get the third bottle free. I couldn't resist...

Llamas

EDIT: The answer to all the world's problems.

Llamas

EDIT: The answer to all the world's problems.NO! the Answer is simple...
SOYLENT GREEN!

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Yes, I think it would be far cheaper to build a colony in the middle of the Simpson desert that has minimal environmental impact than it would to build a colony in space. Not that I'm saying that humans will never colonize space but it would probably be cheaper to replace all of earth's fossil fuel power plants and all oil burning cars than to build a self sustaining space colony of 10,000 people. Even if we could land equipment on the moon or mars for the same cost as currently getting stuff into geosyncronous orbit that's still at least $15,000 a kilo. If each colonist needs only 100 tons of life support (people in Antartic bases have more than this and they aren't self sustaining) then the colony would cost 15 trillion dollars, more that the entire GDP of the United States. And that's for just 10,000 people and is a gross underestimation anyway.

And just why are we keeping people out there to guard Atlantis?

Culling humans would not solve the problem...all it would do is retard economic growth that makes the implementation of environmental protections possible and would slow technological development. Remember, the world's population growth doesn't come from the developed nations producing CO2, it comes from the poor and underdeveloped world. By stopping economic growth, we stop one of the solutions to the problem...a developed economy means less population growth, and a stable population means less emissions and more ability to implement pollution controls while still maintaining growth.

Ideally, by the time population levels off humans will no longer be needed in as many labor intensive occupations and computerization will continue its growth as will nanotechnology and robotics, effectively enabling us to make major advances in technology while also reducing pollution and without affecting economic growth. In other words, growth with only marginal increases in resource consumption, or even net declines as efficiency improves along with productivity.

Even so, we cannot stop global warming; we can mitigate our own effects on it but natural causes can't be averted except through either presently unfeasible technology or through "cures" that are many, many times worse than disease. The planet's climate has been changing since its formation; the only thing we can do is take care of our own contributions and prepare for the changes it will bring, for good or for ill.

Sensible environmental policy, technological advancement market driven solutions, personal and government support are all needed to combat global warming and pollution in general. As I've said before, places that make these changes (like California or Texas in the US) will succeed and those that don't will fail with varying degrees of severity, from minor disruption to total collapse. Culling humanity will not work, and the moral, social, technological, and political costs of such an action are astronomical.

History has shown the ability of people to adapt to change, survive, and ultimately thrive; we collectively will do so, but there will be many along the way that collapse, decline, or fail due to lack of adaptation. Artificial "culling" of the human population will extend that decline to everyone rather than the unprepared...localized disasters, collapses, or declines are many, many times better than the new Dark Age brought about by such a culling.

As more advanced technologies come into use, the issue will be solved. Let's not be alarmist.

Let's not be the average idiot who says, "Oh, surely science will solve everything, we don't need to worry or do anything preventative."

Nothing good comes without sacrifice.

When the majority of the world becomes industrialized, it won't be good.
http://ecofoot.org/

Humans should not be culled.

There are only two capital offenses in this world, criminal ignorance and gross stupidity. The sentence is death and the punishment is immediate and without recourse.

As more advanced technologies come into use, the issue will be solved. Let's not be alarmist.

Companies that adhere to the policy "we will ignore these threats to our viability and assume that we will be able to deal with them in the future" tend to go bankrupt. Are you sure that using similar reasoning in this case is such a good idea ?

I propose a system of mandatory dueling. Everyone is required to challenge someone to a duel at least once a month.

Companies that adhere to the policy "we will ignore these threats to our viability and assume that we will be able to deal with them in the future" tend to go bankrupt. Are you sure that using similar reasoning in this case is such a good idea ?

ROMAN 1: Do you think we should fight off these invading Huns?

ROMAN 2: There's no need. I'm sure that in the future we will develop a way to effortlessly dispose of rampaging barbarians.

NO! the Answer is simple...
SOYLENT GREEN!


Or Logan's Run, that's how to cull people if we're gonna do it. Wait, I'm over 30! Never mind.

I am sure that you are aware of the global warming issue. We people just can't stop polluting, and I don't think this is going to change in the near future...:( Hence the difficult question.
To me the only way this could be stopped is if some evil environmentalist dictator came into power and did what he thought was necessary. But I don't want to die! (Actually, if I was that dictator then there would be no need for me to die. Heh heh...)
Do you think this is too extreme? Would you rather we just carried on as we are? Do you think it dosn't matter? It wont happen in our lifetimes, right! Then tell me what you think.
Cull them!

Or Logan's Run, that's how to cull people if we're gonna do it. Wait, I'm over 30! Never mind.

Logan's Segway? People over 85? :D

"Okay. We will now commit mass suicide. Now the pool is allot more shallow than we originally thought so you're going to have to hold your head underwater. Like so................................."

Hey, you know, David Blaine is someone we could cull...

Hey, you know, David Blaine is someone we could cull...
Okay...*adds to death list*
Any more suggestions?

Okay...*adds to death list*
Any more suggestions?
Celine Dion

Celine Dion
Alright then. *makes a note*
What do you suggest as the method of killing?

hitler tried that and it was a load of crap then and would still be now. there ARE too damd many of us. that much is for sure.

but the real solution is to lower human firtility. ALL human fertility, accross the board without bias or exception.

then population reduction would occur by relatively painless attrition.

to reduce suffering by causing suffering has never made a whole lot of sense.

mass starvation and desease is sooner or later going to do for us, with or without large scale violent conflict. our population IS out of balance with our environment and this is how nature restores species balance in ecological communities. NOT by ethnic genocide!

but if we were to reduce human FERTILITY now, we could avoid a lot of the horrors of universal mass famine.

impartial lowering of human fertility could be achieved by something that would self replicate and ether be in all the water or in food everyone has to eat.

i mean if we can come up with something as virilant as anthrax and boost human firtility with viagra, there's no good reason we can't come up with something like that and every moral reason we need a universal spectrum human anti-fertility therapy for the ENTIRE human species.

=^^=
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Celine Dion

She's pretty small and thin. I don't she'd be using up too many resources.

eggs.

She's pretty small and thin. I don't she'd be using up too many resources.
Oh, right. But I'd hate to have to cross her of the list. Crossings out look so messy... :rolleyes:

Oh, right. But I'd hate to have to cross her of the list. Crossings out look so messy...

Good point. And it does waste pencil lead which is a valuable resource we should try to conserve.

She's pretty small and thin. I don't she'd be using up too many resources.

She's about the size and shape of a cigarette. We should rightly be spelling "cylindrical" as "celine-drical".

Already was a cull, if you believe the bible that is...

Question 1: Where did all the rain come from? There is only so much water on the planet surface to evapourate and fall as rain...

Question 2: Where did all the water go?

Is there some giant plug hole on Atlantis?

*awaits flaming*

I propose a system of mandatory dueling. Everyone is required to challenge someone to a duel at least once a month.

Oooooh... I like this idea.
I'm pretty handy with a sword and I could dig out a huge list of people from my school days that I'd be more than happy to relieve this planet of...

Alright then. *makes a note*
What do you suggest as the method of killing?

I think Celine Dion should be murdered by music, preferrably Whitney Houston's "IeeeeIeeeeI will always love youEEEoooEEEoooo" (as that is about as bad as her "my heart weeeel go on")played at louder and louder decibels until her eardrums burst, she loses her sense of balance then let her take a walk a long a cliff top....

I think Celine Dion should be murdered by music, preferrably Whitney Houston's "IeeeeIeeeeI will always love youEEEoooEEEoooo" (as that is about as bad as her "my heart weeeel go on")played at louder and louder decibels until her eardrums burst, she loses her sense of balance then let her take a walk a long a cliff top....
Ah! Should I let you take care of that one then?

She's pretty small and thin. I don't she'd be using up too many resources.

Yes but her CDs... waste, right there...
Also the number of people buying disposable ear plugs and alcohol in bottles cans etc to dirnk away the pain...

Ah! Should I let you take care of that one then?
No problem...
One other thing, should we televise the culling to generate extra revenue?

Obviously, we should.
But the question is: who to cull?

This 'should' is in no danger of becoming an 'is'.

I think Celine Dion should be murdered by music, preferrably Whitney Houston's "IeeeeIeeeeI will always love youEEEoooEEEoooo" (as that is about as bad as her "my heart weeeel go on")played at louder and louder decibels until her eardrums burst, she loses her sense of balance then let her take a walk a long a cliff top....

Is it just me, or don't both of these women sound like car alarms? Especially Whitney -- she even cycles like a car alarm, between aiiiiaiiiiaiii and oooeeeyoooeeeeyoooo.

No problem...
One other thing, should we televise the culling to generate extra revenue?

Fantasic idea! Think of all the cash we'd make. I'll be the director, you can present it. I'll inform the BBC. We would have a public vote each week to decide which celebrity gets murderised. Just think! No one will dare enter the BB house again. It would be the reality show to end all reality shows.

Yes!

I mean, who doesn't like a good cuddling?
:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/31431790/773750

Do you think this is too extreme? Would you rather we just carried on as we are? Do you think it dosn't matter? It wont happen in our lifetimes, right! Then tell me what you think.

So who decides who goes and who stays?

Yes. Science will solve all our problems, right after it creates them.
ROFL. Shame you've been sending CO2 to the atmosphere for 2 centuries and your technology hasn't found an answer yet... You're not talking of technology, little thing, you're talking of a miracle...

So who decides who goes and who stays?

By post-count. You'se in trouble, dude!

So who decides who goes and who stays?

Heh heh...so, who wants me to become world leader?

By post-count. You'se in trouble, dude!

Oh, right! Er...SPAMS!

Oh, right! Er...SPAMS!

Come on mate, let's spam for Blightey!

Heh heh...so, who wants me to become world leader?
I am.

Heh heh...so, who wants me to become world leader?
Will you give away free chocolate? I mean, since you don't particularly care for chocolate...

I am.

My appologies Satan, I wasn't aware of this. I guess you just want to sit back and watch us humans fuck up the world. Enjoy the show!

Will you give away free chocolate? I mean, since you don't particularly care for chocolate...
You can have your own chocolate factory. :)

You can have your own chocolate factory. :)

Oh no!
MY factories - ALL of 'em!

My appologies Satan, I wasn't aware of this. I guess you just want to sit back and watch us humans fuck up the world. Enjoy the show!
That's ok. People forget me all the time, just because I like to work in the shadow. I really would show my face but then you would all run away and I would end up loosing all my little things...

I've got bad breath as well...

*one tiny shiny tear falls from Satan's eyes*

You can have your own chocolate factory. :)
Then you've got my vote!

:fluffle:

That's ok. People forget me all the time, just because I like to work in the shadow. I really would show my face but then you would all run away and I would end up loosing all my little things...

I've got bad breath as well...

*one tiny shiny tear falls from Satan's eyes*

You know, I've really misunderstood You. You don't seem like pure evil to me. You have my sincerest sympathy for your unhappy situation. Being forced to opperate through the internet because of fear of rejection. That is such a shame!

I am sure that you are aware of the global warming issue. We people just can't stop polluting, and I don't think this is going to change in the near future...:( Hence the difficult question.
To me the only way this could be stopped is if some evil environmentalist dictator came into power and did what he thought was necessary. But I don't want to die! (Actually, if I was that dictator then there would be no need for me to die. Heh heh...)
Do you think this is too extreme? Would you rather we just carried on as we are? Do you think it dosn't matter? It wont happen in our lifetimes, right! Then tell me what you think.
Why bother killing existing humans, when we could just limit the birthrates to negative population growth?

Why bother killing existing humans, when we could just limit the birthrates to negative population growth?

Because there have been too many threads about that already. I've seen plenty of pro-choice threads and such. I wanted to do something more interesting...

Also, that would take too many generations to have any effect.

Why bother killing existing humans, when we could just limit the birthrates to negative population growth?

Because some people are just mean?

Also, that would take too many generations to have any effect.
Okay, here's a maths question for you. If each woman was only allowed to have one child, how many generations would it take to have an effect?

Also, that would take too many generations to have any effect.
Well, if you want to do something radical, you could limit the birth rate enough to effect the necessary change within a single generation.

Okay, here's a maths question for you. If each woman was only allowed to have one child, how many generations would it take to have an effect?
If a law was passed today so that women were restricted to one child, then we will have to wait for our parents/grandparents generations to pass away for it to have a small effect. Then there is us and anyone born before us to age and die for this to have a serious impact. After that then it will be just your generation where everyone is an only-child, and then the problem is solved. Now how long would that take...I never was good at maths.:(

Well, if you want to do something radical, you could limit the birth rate enough to effect the necessary change within a single generation.
So another 60 years of all these people polluting the earth then. That's not radical enough. We need to do something now.

So another 60 years of all these people polluting the earth then. That's not radical enough. We need to do something now.

Yeah, we should do something crazy like pollute less. We should spend like a massive $250 per person for the next 20 years replacing our old polluting power sources. That would reduce the standard of living of an American by an average of 0.3 percent. And we should do something really wild like putting a big tax on polluting cars and using the money to put a subsidy on low emission cars. That'd be really radical. And you might say that I'm just messed up in the head, but I think we should have a carbon tax. Yep, that's right, a carbon tax. I know it's satanic and beyond all reason, but that's just the kind of wild and crazy guy I am.

So another 60 years of all these people polluting the earth then. That's not radical enough. We need to do something now.
Er... If we follow your logic and stay in the context of this very rational threat, we should start with culling the Americans and Europeans, since they are the ones living at an unsustainable rate and doing most of the pollution, no?

If global warming truly is a problem then nature will cull us on it's own. Once you agree that culling humans is the way to go then you realize that we don't need to do anything. Let's just take the hummer down to McDonald's for a super sized value meal.

I wanted to do something more interesting....
Tell me about it; this world is so boring as it is. An interesting solution like the one you little thing just presented me in this thread is so much more... interesting. Just what I told Hitler about his own problems, but the imbecile went repeating it out loud...

Thank you for enlightening the world with your wisdom. Maybe you would care to lead the next step of human evolution? You would honor my armies greatly and there are great rewards awaiting you in my kingdom.

Er... If we follow your logic and stay in the context of this very rational threat, we should start with culling the Americans and Europeans, since they are the ones living at an unsustainable rate and doing most of the pollution, no?


Or get head start now on the Chinese.

Er... If we follow your logic and stay in the context of this very rational threat, we should start with culling the Americans and Europeans, since they are the ones living at an unsustainable rate and doing most of the pollution, no?
That's right!

If global warming truly is a problem then nature will cull us on it's own. Once you agree that culling humans is the way to go then you realize that we don't need to do anything. Let's just take the hummer down to McDonald's for a super sized value meal.

People and nations that don't adapt to changing situations either collapse economically, die or adapt through painful transition.

In the US, the West Coast is adapting while the East Coast and the Midwest are not. Texas and California are alright while New York and Michigan are not...the places adapting are the ones using alternative energy, pushing renewable fuels and distributed generation, and encouraging high tech industry and those that aren't have none of these.

Yeah, we should do something crazy like pollute less.
That's a great idea! All you have to do is convince everyone in the world to do the same. I'll give you a deadline of one month. Hurry up now!

Well i am amazed at ppl's small minds.

It is not alarmist to understand we have gone past the point of 'safety'. if we implemented sustainable development now, we will STILL be sending Earth in a major meltdown within this century. Earth will struggle to keep her climates and environments and ecosystems safe if we take from her the factors she needs to regulate life on earth.

War is the main reason why we all suffer today. becos of WW2 europe had to then farm on a major scale to feed the populations of the baby boom post war and land was eaten up for agribusiness and destroying ecosystems that help to regulate life on Earth. Progress will not be achieved one drop if europe do not sort out their terrible terrible CAP policy which is crippling the rest of the world. (so on a side note - complete pacifism ppl!!!)

There is tonnes and tonnes more I could go into. (How the reduction of ocean life is tres devastating also) Basically the next few generations are doomed - global heating will raise the sea level - bye bye London, Rotterdam, Miami and all other coastal cities. And the heatwave of 2003 killing 30 000 ppl in europe? You'll see more of those too.

the world needs to know - STOP combustion and fossil fuel burning! otherwise our next generations will be cursing our disregard.*

But then wise old Euripides did say 'the gods visit the sins of the fathers upon the children'.

*for actual proof of all these claims read such scientific published material by James Lovelock about 'Gaia' and 'The Gaia theory'.

Basically we will all be culled in the most brutal if we do not care for Earth our mother after all. I'm sorry but now human welfare comes AFTER the good of the earth. (otherwise we will ALL die and become extinct when we need not bring our death sentences to ourselves and our earth so quickly)

Well i am amazed at ppl's small minds.

It is not alarmist to understand we have gone past the point of 'safety'. if we implemented sustainable development now, we will STILL be sending Earth in a major meltdown within this century. Earth will struggle to keep her climates and environments and ecosystems safe if we take from her the factors she needs to regulate life on earth.

War is the main reason why we all suffer today. becos of WW2 europe had to then farm on a major scale to feed the populations of the baby boom post war and land was eaten up for agribusiness and destroying ecosystems that help to regulate life on Earth. Progress will not be achieved one drop if europe do not sort out their terrible terrible CAP policy which is crippling the rest of the world. (so on a side note - complete pacifism ppl!!!)

There is tonnes and tonnes more I could go into. (How the reduction of ocean life is tres devastating also) Basically the next few generations are doomed - global heating will raise the sea level - bye bye London, Rotterdam, Miami and all other coastal cities. And the heatwave of 2003 killing 30 000 ppl in europe? You'll see more of those too.

the world needs to know - STOP combustion and fossil fuel burning! otherwise our next generations will be cursing our disregard.*

But then wise old Euripides did say 'the gods visit the sins of the fathers upon the children'.

*for actual proof of all these claims read such scientific published material by James Lovelock about 'Gaia' and 'The Gaia theory'.

Basically we will all be culled in the most brutal if we do not care for Earth our mother after all. I'm sorry but now human welfare comes AFTER the good of the earth. (otherwise we will ALL die and become extinct when we need not bring our death sentences to ourselves and our earth so quickly)
Exactly what I think, but better said. I've highlighted some bits I particulary agree with.
I went to a christian primary school and during an RE lesson my teacher said that God meant for us humans to be responsible for the Earth. I don't know if this is part of the religion or just her personal belief, so you christians let me know about that. But while killing people is wrong, we need to do something drastic. People here have mentioned other solutions, but most of you should agree that we cant just sit back and do nothing. But then, we have no actual power so we can't do anything significant anyway...:(

People here have mentioned other solutions, but most of you should agree that we cant just sit back and do nothing. But then, we have no actual power so we can't do anything significant anyway...:(
What makes you think we have no power? Consume less, go for a walk instead of going for a drive, vote green, write a blog, go on a diet, talk to your friends, start new projects... So many things we can do.

We have unlimited power, if we act more instead of talking...

We are all gonna die!

We are all gonna die!

We are all gonna die!

Aahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!:eek:

Problem solved.;)

and did someone say we have been adding CO2 to the atmosphere for 2 centuries? So oxygen-breathers have only been around for 2 centuries?

We are all gonna die!

:upyours:

That's ok. People forget me all the time, just because I like to work in the shadow. I really would show my face but then you would all run away and I would end up loosing all my little things...

I've got bad breath as well...

*one tiny shiny tear falls from Satan's eyes*

You still can't top God in terms of sheer bastardage. The Flood, and "I Want George W. Bush to Become President".

You still can't top God in terms of sheer bastardage. The Flood, and "I Want George W. Bush to Become President".
God wanted Bush? I thought men wanted Bush. Aren't Americans free to choose? God? ROFL... He wishes... Power is not His thing, that's why He is so weak and so strong...

God wanted Bush? I thought men wanted Bush. Aren't Americans free to choose? God? ROFL... He wishes... Power is not His thing, that's why He is so weak and so strong...

God so loveth us that He sent us John Kerry, to encourage us to vote for Bush! LoL!

there is no problem

I've always wondered if the people supporting human culling would be the ones culled, or if they are part of the chosen übermenschen that would be allowed to survive...

Personally, I like my idea of market driven solutions, technological changes and replacements, governmental action and sensible environmental treaties...that's what will help us transition to a changed climate...not the murder of millions of subhumans that will allow the chosen race of the "environmentally conscious" to survive and build their purified utopia.

I've always wondered if the people supporting human culling would be the ones culled, or if they are part of the chosen übermenschen that would be allowed to survive...

I personlly would have no problem being included in the culled group if the selection was made in a rational way.
Then again, I do not fear death - only the proces of dying.

Do you think this is too extreme? Would you rather we just carried on as we are? Do you think it dosn't matter? It wont happen in our lifetimes, right! Then tell me what you think.

Yes, we should cull humans. Let's start with the person who came up with the idea.

I personlly would have no problem being included in the culled group if the selection was made in a rational way.
Then again, I do not fear death - only the proces of dying.

Since we don't know the nature of death, what is there to fear of it?

I'd rather be alive and help to bring about adaptation to global warming than to die and remove my contribution altogether...killing people doesn't solve any problems whatsoever.

How about a worldwide enforced one child policy? Theoretically, each generation should be less than half the size of the last, meaning that the overall population is massively slashed without any nasty culling programs.

Since we don't know the nature of death, what is there to fear of it?

I'd rather be alive and help to bring about adaptation to global warming than to die and remove my contribution altogether...killing people doesn't solve any problems whatsoever.
It solves overpopulation.

God so loveth us that He sent us John Kerry, to encourage us to vote for Bush! LoL!
God sent a lawyer to save the US! ROFL. Hey - tell you what - maybe He sent Bush so that you voted for Kerry?... Oooppsss...

Since we don't know the nature of death, what is there to fear of it?

Nothing - and since I do not believe in an afterlife there will not be any me to be afraid after I die.
However; the proces of dying still gives me shivers. Probably instinct.

I'd rather be alive and help to bring about adaptation to global warming than to die and remove my contribution altogether...

That is why I wish to hear a rational argumentation before agreeing to be culled.

killing people doesn't solve any problems whatsoever.
Nonsense. There are plenty of situations where killing another human being is an extremely efficient solution of the problem.

"Okay. We will now commit mass suicide. Now the pool is allot more shallow than we originally thought so you're going to have to hold your head underwater. Like so................................."
"Quick! How do we defeat a giant, stone Abraham Lincoln?!"

....

"... A giant, stone John Wilkes Booth?"

Nonsense. There are plenty of situations where killing another human being is an extremely efficient solution of the problem.

Not killing them for the sake of killing...

Sweden is already researching alternative energies (and seriously) to end our oil-dependence. Hydrogen cars are not too far off. Be patient. By the mid-half of this century I predict an end on oil-dependence and petrol use.
Thank you for being sensible and not channelling Thomas Malthus ... what many fail to see is that as oil becomes more scarce, the need for hydrogen-powered cars will become greater. It's called fungibility y'all. Sure, there's going to be envorinmental damage now and in the future, but nothing that will render this planet uninhabitable, or drastic enough to even consider limiting population growth.

Oh, and Llamas. No question there.

Yes. Technology will only go forwards, not backwards, ceteris paribus.

exactly forwards not backwards! upwards not Forward!

technology is teh answer... nukes are not enough, we need something big enough to kill the entire population of earth in one BOOM!!!:eek:

technology is teh answer... nukes are not enough, we need something big enough to kill the entire population of earth in one BOOM!!!:eek:
Pray for Yellowstone to erupt.

Thank you for being sensible and not channelling Thomas Malthus ... what many fail to see is that as oil becomes more scarce, the need for hydrogen-powered cars will become greater. It's called fungibility y'all. Sure, there's going to be envorinmental damage now and in the future, but nothing that will render this planet uninhabitable, or drastic enough to even consider limiting population growth.

Precisely! The Malthusian predictions fail because they do not take in to account the many, many things that avert catastrophes from happening.

Population growth will slow naturally as a result of world economic growth and computers, robotics, and nanotechnology will help address the problem of labor shortages and demographics. The market will effect a lot of change, although there will be times when government must step in to aid the process; we're already doing that to a degree, but additional support will depend entirely on the ability of the market to achieve these goals.

Things like hydrogen powered cars are part of the solution to replacing fossil fuels; we could pretty much fully abandon them now but the cost would be astronomical and might not pay off in the end. However, we're already seeing massive change; wind energy is now the second largest source of new power capacity and energy efficiency is growing dramatically. Solar, wave, tidal, biomass, hydroelectric, geothermal and even coal are growing rapidly, and distributed generation is taking off. The markets committed to these technologies will boom; there are numerous ones already, and they are growing as these technologies become more cost competitive on their own through technological improvement.

However, the places that do not adapt to changes will not avert problems in the future; depending on the nature of the challenge, those problems might be minor, major, or catastrophic. Even so, there will be places that boom because of such difficulties; during the Great Depression, California and Texas boomed while the East Coast and Midwest were mired in economic slumps. The nature of the future for the world's nations depends entirely on the actions taken by individual people, markets, and governments in those nations.

If you voted for the great culling, lead by example. Cut your wrists and cry about it on myspace 'til you bleed out. Your no different from the Nazi's, wanting to kill everyone who disagrees with you.

And that's my two cents.

The first case of human-to-human bird 'flu was found today. The over-60's and the physically weak will probably die because of it, ridding society of a lot of its problems.

Sadly as a physically weak person (ach bloody lung problems) , I will probably expire. Well, that's "sadly" for me, I don't think many people will really care.

When a device malfunctions, fix the device, don't kill the operator. Getting rid of humans to protect the environment is like getting rid of divers to save wetsuits.

If humans ever need to be culled, it should be nature, circumstances, adaptability, and good old blind luck that determine survival.

No person or government could ever devise anything as brutally efficient as natural selection.

If humans ever need to be culled, it should be nature, circumstances, adaptability, and good old blind luck that determine survival.

No person or government could ever devise anything as brutally efficient as natural selection.

Nor as funny.

No person or government could ever devise anything as brutally efficient as natural selection.
I have. It's an earthquake generator, that runs off of sick puppies and the blood of virgins. It's also operated by nuns that I violated.

I have. It's an earthquake generator, that runs off of sick puppies and the blood of virgins. It's also operated by nuns that I violated.

Funny, I didn't think anyone else had that fantasy.

I have. It's an earthquake generator, that runs off of sick puppies and the blood of virgins. It's also operated by nuns that I violated.

Brutal....but i'm not convinced it is efficient.

Funny, I didn't think anyone else had that fantasy.
Great minds think alike!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*edits*

Oh and Sanothara - I tested it on an old people's home, and it most certainly is as efficient.

Brutal....but i'm not convinced it is efficient.

You'd be surprised how many miles to the dead puppy it gets.

You'd be surprised how many miles to the dead puppy it gets.

Just going to throw this out there: Does it run on orphan tears? I want something that runs at least on T10, if not T85.

Just going to throw this out there: Does it run on orphan tears? I want something that runs at least on T10, if not T85.
It runs on a 40:60 widow:orphan tears mix.

I went to a christian primary school and during an RE lesson my teacher said that God meant for us humans to be responsible for the Earth. I don't know if this is part of the religion or just her personal belief, so you christians let me know about that.

Do you want a long theology lecture? I already wrote one and then Jolt ate it. :( If you're serious about it I can write down a dozen texts from the Old and New Testaments that highlight the necessity of environmental conservation (Creation care is the buzzword) from a Christian perspective. If people like GWB and Falwell would actually read their bibles instead of thumping them then they'd realize that there is a biblical mandate for environmental protection. The fact that they don't makes me assume that they are simply using religion to enhance their own status and that the believe that they are the only true gods.


But then, we have no actual power so we can't do anything significant anyway...:(

Buffalo biscuits!

1.) Buy organic, local food. It takes much less energy (and by extension less greenhouse gasses) to grow per calorie to grow organic food and reduces shipping distance.

2.) Grow some of your own food. That cuts out all the shipping problems, and it's actually quite fun.

3.) Cut travel. If biking or walking is possible then do that, then use public transportation. If you are in the market for a new vehicle buy something fuel efficient. Hybrids are not always the best, a Toyota Yardis is almost as efficient as a Toyota Prius for one third the cost.

4.) Research ways to make your business more energy efficient (similar to steps 7&8, but with greater challenges and rewards). Find methods that will save money and bring them to your bosses. I very much doubt they'll throw you out for telling them how to save cash, and if they do you really needed a new job anyway. The same applies to students and schools, the administration is not always against you. Generally they're more than willing to take credit for your hard work and save money at the same time.

5.) Take political action. If you live in the US join Stop Global Warming! (http://www.stopglobalwarming.org) Then write letters to congressmen or Senators. Canada also needs to talk to their leaders, as do most other countries. Start a petition.

6.) Replace all old iridescent lights with efficient compact fluorescent bulbs. In the US lights and appliances are certified by EnergyStar if they meet efficiency requirements. Replacing five bulbs can save $200 in electricity bills over the life of the lights.

7.) Make your home energy efficient. Improve insulation, install double-pane energy efficient windows (EnergyStar). Replace washing machine, dish washer, old refrigerator, dryer (but dry outside anyway if you can), heater and any other appliances with more efficient (EnergyStar certified) models. To go a little further you can change your houses design to allow passive solar for heating and cooling. This can be expensive at first but in the long run saves money, as much as 90% of your electric bill every year.

8.) If you have the time and money than go off the grid. Buy a composting toilet, windmill, solar cells, passive solar for heating and cooling and save even more money. Just make sure to do 7 first, it will reduce the cost of going of the grid significantly and save more money by itself.

9.) If you don't have the time or money for 8, then join a program like Windsource (http://www.xcelenergy.com/XLWEB/CDA/0,3080,1-1-2-2-5_538_994-0,00.html) (Minnesota). These programs help to fund renewable energy that isn't cheap enough. If you're willing to pay extra the funding will go to wind power or other renewables.

10.) Spread the word! This year I started an environmental group at a conservative Baptist University and we got twenty members almost instantly. We're still expanding, but together we'll save more than 40 tons of CO2 from entering the atmosphere this year. Next year it could be 200 tons or even more. If you talk to your coworkers or friends you can do the same. All it takes is a little time and commitment.

As more advanced technologies come into use, the issue will be solved. Let's not be alarmist.
NO WAY MAN!!! GENOCIDE IS TEH ONLY ANSW3R!!!11!ONE!11SHIFTONE!!!1!

hell no!

Humans are being "culled" everday.

Disease, murder and good old personal vices- tobacco, alcohol and drugs, gluttony- are all keeping the population down.

Surely, but not enough. With a population of just over 6 billion, it would take a hell of a lot to control it and keep it at a level pace.

Besides, its just plain stupid. What would we do with all of the excess people we kill? Turn them into Soylent Green?

Want to reduce the population?
1. Mandatory birth control for all
2. vacectomies for all males over 30
3. Keep Abortion Legal!!!
4. Licenced Reproduction Program. You must apply to have a child and a) past psychological tests and undergo 3 years of parental training, b) must submit to strict financial audit in order to determine wether you are capable of providing for a child, and c) pass educational requirements, no one without at least 2 years of college is allowed to procreate. Anyone who breaks these requirements should pay an extra 20% tax every year for every child. Hit them where it hurts the most, their wallets.

Fucking breeders....:mad:

Fucking breeders....:mad:

Yes, damn them for being the source of economic growth and technological innovation and averting the very problems Thomas Malthus was writing about in the 19th century.

Ironically, it was population growth that is enabling us to solve the problems that we are facing today. Growth will level off naturally as prosperity reduces birthrates and technology reduces the need for human labor.

One word: FUSION.

Here are some more:
E-85
E-90
E-100
Wind
Solar
Nuclear
Geothermal
Hydrogen
'Microwave' (referenced in SimCity 2000 or 3000)
Batteries
Methane
Landfill
Deep-sea (We need to remove that crap anyway. Killed the dinosaurs or something.)
Fecal Matter (solves 2 problems. No more sewers!)

Booze (Whiskey can run your car!)

We have no real problem with it. I'm sure one of those will do. "Its unsolvable..." "Why do it?...'' ''Hot Pocket!..'''

AAAGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!
:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

Humans should not be culled!!!
You are horrible people!!!
They need to be eradicted completely!;)

Okay you want to Cull humans eh? On a moral note WTF? :headbang:

Now that I have that out of my system. Even though me and humanity as a whole don't see eye to eye on things. What gives any man the right to just say that "You are weak you shall die." It's thinking like that that starts some of the worst dictators and genocides around... what if someone thought that all lets say, white people, should be culled since their skin is not as durable to sunlight. I agree that something has to be done but culling humans is neither ethically or even feasibly a good idea. But if you insist please by all means you first.

Tell me about it; this world is so boring as it is. An interesting solution like the one you little thing just presented me in this thread is so much more... interesting. Just what I told Hitler about his own problems, but the imbecile went repeating it out loud...

Thank you for enlightening the world with your wisdom. Maybe you would care to lead the next step of human evolution? You would honor my armies greatly and there are great rewards awaiting you in my kingdom.
Lol. Offer accepted, I'll put it in my sig.
What makes you think we have no power? Consume less, go for a walk instead of going for a drive, vote green, write a blog, go on a diet, talk to your friends, start new projects... So many things we can do.

We have unlimited power, if we act more instead of talking...
And that would do what? Would the whole world miraculously come to their sences and follow my example? I don't think so. The ordinary person does not have any significant power to change things on a world-wide scale. Only the world leaders can do that.
technology is teh answer... nukes are not enough, we need something big enough to kill the entire population of earth in one BOOM!!!:eek:
Heh heh... but that would destroy the entire planet which is exactly the opposite of what we should be trying to do...
If you voted for the great culling, lead by example. Cut your wrists and cry about it on myspace 'til you bleed out. Your no different from the Nazi's, wanting to kill everyone who disagrees with you.

It's not about killing everyone who disagrees with you, it's about killing a percentage of the population of those cities that pollute most. As for a few people commiting suicide, that is hardly going to make a dent in the population is it?
What gives any man the right to just say that "You are weak you shall die." It's thinking like that that starts some of the worst dictators and genocides around... what if someone thought that all lets say, white people, should be culled since their skin is not as durable to sunlight.
It is not about killing of the weakest people, It's about reducing the population to decrease pollution. It's quite different you see. It would happen in most of the major cities around the world, whether someone is white, rich, old, unemployed, tall. It dosn't matter.