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Since the actual border itself is government property, why don't the people who live near the border start putting up their own fences and walls. I tell ya, if I had some border property, I would put in land mines, and watch the fun! There's nothing against the law for the US citizens to buy their own border property and putting the wall up themselves.

Since the actual border itself is government property, why don't the people who live near the border start putting up their own fences and walls. I tell ya, if I had some border property, I would put in land mines, and watch the fun! There's nothing against the law for the US citizens to buy their own border property and putting the wall up themselves.

Yeah cuz blowing up people is "fun." :rolleyes:

Another example of the fine mentality that you border control freaks display.

Or we could put bombs in bags of rice and give them to starving people in Africa. What a merry jape that would be. Imagine the expressions on their faces when their faces get blown off.

Since the actual border itself is government property, why don't the people who live near the border start putting up their own fences and walls. I tell ya, if I had some border property, I would put in land mines, and watch the fun! There's nothing against the law for the US citizens to buy their own border property and putting the wall up themselves.
I would build a maze that only has one entrance/exit.

People already put up fences along the border, often to keep cattle in though, not keep anyone out. It doesn't stop them, the courteous ones go around but some cut through much to the ranchers disatisfaction. Some have started leaving gates unlocked so that illegals can just walk right on their property so they don't have to fic their fences so often.

Oh yeah, and land mines are ilegal you racist prick.

People already put up fences along the border, often to keep cattle in though, not keep anyone out. It doesn't stop them, the courteous ones go around but some cut through much to the ranchers disatisfaction. Some have started leaving gates unlocked so that illegals can just walk right on their property so they don't have to fic their fences so often.

Oh yeah, and land mines are ilegal you racist prick.

How am I a racist? I mean jeez, I don't want these illegals coming into my country, illegally. I don't care if they're brown, black, or purple. If you come into this country illegally, then you are a criminal, and you should be deported right back across the border. If it was up to me, the border would already have a wall on it with security forces keeping an eye on it to make sure no one gets across. All I'm saying is one way to teach them that you can't cross illegally is by well, land mines. It may be extreme, but it only takes one or two illegals for the rest of them to get the idea.

Since the actual border itself is government property, why don't the people who live near the border start putting up their own fences and walls. I tell ya, if I had some border property, I would put in land mines, and watch the fun! There's nothing against the law for the US citizens to buy their own border property and putting the wall up themselves.

One thing that might be against the law as far as buying the property is whether or not the property is for sale.

As far as fences go I know some people in El Paso who have put a fence around their property to keep pesky illegals out after it became a pronlem for them.
I know others in Arizona who leave out water and have taken some to the hospital after they were bitten by children of the earth (Jerusalem Crickets) because the illegals were sure they were going to die of poisoning and were freaking out.

So it all varies. I dont know of anyone who is sane who is considering planting landmines however.

How am I a racist? I mean jeez, I don't want these illegals coming into my country, illegally. I don't care if they're brown, black, or purple. If you come into this country illegally, then you are a criminal, and you should be deported right back across the border. If it was up to me, the border would already have a wall on it with security forces keeping an eye on it to make sure no one gets across. All I'm saying is one way to teach them that you can't cross illegally is by well, land mines. It may be extreme, but it only takes one or two illegals for the rest of them to get the idea.
that's true, He's not racist. Murderous yes, but Racists? no.

How am I a racist? I mean jeez, I don't want these illegals coming into my country, illegally. I don't care if they're brown, black, or purple. If you come into this country illegally, then you are a criminal, and you should be deported right back across the border. If it was up to me, the border would already have a wall on it with security forces keeping an eye on it to make sure no one gets across. All I'm saying is one way to teach them that you can't cross illegally is by well, land mines. It may be extreme, but it only takes one or two illegals for the rest of them to get the idea.

Land mines, like electric fences, chainguns, etc, etc aren't legal for your average citizen.

Besides, you put land mines, and it will be lawsuit city the moment someone steps on it who isn't an illegal immigrant.

Also, I'm pretty sure that putting a minefield in your property is about as illegal as opening a nuclear waste storage silo there.

How am I a racist? I mean jeez, I don't want these illegals coming into my country, illegally. I don't care if they're brown, black, or purple. If you come into this country illegally, then you are a criminal, and you should be deported right back across the border. If it was up to me, the border would already have a wall on it with security forces keeping an eye on it to make sure no one gets across. All I'm saying is one way to teach them that you can't cross illegally is by well, land mines. It may be extreme, but it only takes one or two illegals for the rest of them to get the idea.

Velocity activated landmines on highways would be a good way to stop speeding, another illegal activity I'm sure you disprove of. I mean I don't want these people speeding into my neighborhood. It may be extreme, but it only takes one or two illegals speeders to get blown up by landmines for the rest of them to get the idea.

One thing that might be against the law as far as buying the property is whether or not the property is for sale.

As far as fences go I know some people in El Paso who have put a fence around their property to keep pesky illegals out after it became a pronlem for them.
I know others in Arizona who leave out water and have taken some to the hospital after they were bitten by children of the earth (Jerusalem Crickets) because the illegals were sure they were going to die of poisoning and were freaking out.

So it all varies. I dont know of anyone who is sane who is considering planting landmines however.

Ok, ok, I admit the land mines were alittle extreme, but let's face it, we do need to stop them from coming over here, and since we already have swiss cheese walls and fences. We might as well try something else.

How am I a racist? I mean jeez, I don't want these illegals coming into my country, illegally. I don't care if they're brown, black, or purple. If you come into this country illegally, then you are a criminal, and you should be deported right back across the border.

If you place landmines in the US illegally, you're a criminal, and you should be deported across the border.

If you place landmines in the US illegally, you're a criminal, and you should be deported across the border.

Now that just made no fucking sense. I am a LEGAL residence of this country, I would be put in jail on charges of first degree murder.

How am I a racist?

thats the current arguement being put forth by those against border security.

i swear some people only know a couple of arguements and those arguements are:
"you are racist"

"you are ignorant"

"Bush sucks"

and the way over used comparison they try to compare everything they dont agree with:

"NAZI GERMANY"

Now that just made no fucking sense. I am a LEGAL residence of this country, I would be put in jail on charges of first degree murder.

You know, violating the law to show that illegal immigrants shouldn't violate the law doesn't make any fucking sense either.

You place a lot of emphasis on legal, but what did you do? Oh yeah, you were born. You didn't have to fill out 97 forms and pay thousands of dollars and wait years and years while starving to death routinely getting beaten by corrupt Mexican police officers.

People like you whine a lot when it comes to OMG ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS VIOLATE THE LAW but you don't seem to care much when citizens violate the law. For example I broke the law twice today, do you give a shit? I don't really think you do.

thats the current arguement being put forth by those against border security.

i swear some people only know a couple of arguements and those arguements are:
"you are racist"

"you are ignorant"

"Bush sucks"

and the way over used comparison they try to compare everything they dont agree with:

"NAZI GERMANY"


Yea, they may have had a case if I called the illegals demeaning name, but I didn't. All I'm saying is that when government fails to provide for it's citizens, then the citizens has the right to take things into their own hands.

You know, violating the law to show that illegal immigrants shouldn't violate the law doesn't make any fucking sense either.

Point taken


You place a lot of emphasis on legal, but what did you do? Oh yeah, you were born. You didn't have to fill out 97 forms and pay thousands of dollars and wait years and years while starving to death routinely getting beaten by corrupt Mexican police officers.

People like you whine a lot when it comes to OMG ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS VIOLATE THE LAW but you don't seem to care much when citizens violate the law. For example I broke the law twice today, do you give a shit? I don't really think you do.

Oh bitch bitch bitch, my great-great-great grandparents filled out the same forums on Ellis Island, and they never complained. In fact they were happy too, because for them it ment a new life away from the Kiaser (they were from Germany), and they worked hard at their factory jobs, and they tried hard to learn english and asimmulate into American life and culture, while maintaining their German background. They never once complain.

Maybe if the illegals stayed in their own country and tried to fix it themselves...

my great-great-great grandparents filled out the same forums on Ellis Island

no they didn't

Oh bitch bitch bitch, my great-great-great grandparents filled out the same forums on Ellis Island,

No, I very much doubt they were the same forms. (http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/formsfee/forms/index.htm)

Government bureacracy grows over time, it doesn't diminish. Just look at tax laws. You think tax payers in 1790 had to deal with tax law that was put in a 4,500 page book and involving tens of thousands of words of fine print? I think not. The same is true for immigration law.

and they never complained. In fact they were happy too, because for them it ment a new life away from the Kiaser (they were from Germany), and they worked hard at their factory jobs, and they tried hard to learn english and asimmulate into American life and culture, while maintaining their German background. They never once complain.

Maybe if the illegals stayed in their own country and tried to fix it themselves...

Ha! Maybe if your ancestors stayed in Germany and fixed it themselves. Then maybe WWI and WWII wouldn't have happened, eh? See, if you can blame Mexico on those who choose to leave Mexico, I guess I can blame the Holocaust on those who chose to left Germany. ;)

Oh yeah, and land mines are ilegal you racist prick.
Awww, leftist debate at it's finest. Misspelled ad hominem attacks.

Ha! Maybe if your ancestors stayed in Germany and fixed it themselves. Then maybe WWI and WWII wouldn't have happened, eh? See, if you can blame Mexico on those who choose to leave Mexico, I guess I can blame the Holocaust on those who chose to left Germany. ;)

You just won the Godwin Awards. The diffrence is that my ancestor came here and they contributed. They left because of the Kiaser strangle hold on Germany. They also came over here for a better life. However, the problem with Mexico is not a facist government, but rather a poorly runned one. You want to know why Presidente Fox wants open border? So the mexicans can cross over to here, and he won't have to deal with any uprising. These people came here illegally, few of them contribute back to the government and society, and few of them are willing to actually assimalate themselves into the American lives and Culture.

You just won the Godwin Awards. The diffrence is that my ancestor came here and they contributed. They left because of the Kiaser strangle hold on Germany. They also came over here for a better life. However, the problem with Mexico is not a facist government, but rather a poorly runned one.

Irrelevant. Life in Mexico is shitty, much like life in fascist Germany, yet you blame Mexicans for not "fixing their country" and turn a blind eye when Germans didn't do the same thing.

You have an inconsistent viewpoint which I would describe as hypocritical.

You want to know why Presidente Fox wants open border? So the mexicans can cross over to here, and he won't have to deal with any uprising. These people came here illegally, few of them contribute back to the government and society, and few of them are willing to actually assimalate themselves into the American lives and Culture.

First, I don't give a fuck about who "assimilates" into our "culture." That has nothing to do with legal immigration either. Second, your argument regarding Fox could be made with the Kaiser too, again revealing your inconsistency. Third, your suppositions about how they don't "contribute" are bullshit. California undeniably has a good number of illegal immigrants, yet we have a GDP greater than any other state, and we contribute more in taxes than we receive in benefits.

Fourth, it's interesting to note that you ignored the bits about government bureacracy. I mean, I would too. Look at those filing fees! The GDP per capita of Mexico is $ 9,600, which means that almost certainly anyone considering immigrating to America in search of a better life makes much, much less than that. Yet you have the GALL to not only assume they can save up enough to pay those filing fees (multiple times, if our government demands it), but to act self-righteous and hypocritical when gasp, they don't!

Blah. Whatever. Continue to masturbate towards the image of blowing up people for making the crime of being poor and wanting to live in the USA.

Since the actual border itself is government property, why don't the people who live near the border start putting up their own fences and walls. I tell ya, if I had some border property, I would put in land mines, and watch the fun! There's nothing against the law for the US citizens to buy their own border property and putting the wall up themselves.


because using class 3 exsplosives is illegal!

now i would just put up a bunch of danger /peligro signs....then wire my property with concertina wire.....and have a free fire zone(kill zone for the squemish)
and fire a few warning shots every night to let them know...stay tf off my land....cross somewhere else....they would get the message i dont want my fences cut,,,,,piles of trash for me to clean up,and my property violated.

but i guess it is my duty as a hated american to let people cut my fences,steal my shit and leave a mess for me..so i can pay for their doctor visit with my taxes!

you know,the more i think about it...everyone hates us...maybe i should deserve the hate.

be a real pos and nasty..start my own ms-13 or some such group...go to mexico..kill people at random...for the money...then run home in time for dinner.

oh shit we got that allready..the minutemen..you know the guys giving them water and food when they are dying in the desert.

i wish i lived in some socialist paradise...where i can never worry about money or my safety...cause then i would be content...but as it is...color me stupid,cause i just dont want to deal with the crime that comes with the gangs and the honest people shitting all over me...that i have to pay for...eventually(welfare/medical/jail/ins...etc.)

all the while being villafied as some arrogant hick...fuck you very much.

i dont agree with the original poster...i dont want to blow people up for crossing my yard that are coming here to work for their family,nor do i want to be shit on...or have my family hurt by the crimminal element that is a major part of the problem.

so what would all you enlightened euros suggest?

can we send the ms-13 boys your way?

can you work another 10 hours to give me free medical,educate my kids,all the while i refuse to assimilate or

even bother to learn the most basic language skillls?

it's real easy to sit ther on your computer comando keyboard and villafy people that are dealing with issues you cant possibly understand...yet you have no problem calling americans hicks or worse,when we have been open arms to everyone..including 12 million illegals!

Since the actual border itself is government property, why don't the people who live near the border start putting up their own fences and walls. I tell ya, if I had some border property, I would put in land mines, and watch the fun! There's nothing against the law for the US citizens to buy their own border property and putting the wall up themselves.

People are building their own fences, and the mexican government is complaining.


What's new?

I broke the law twice today, do you give a shit? I don't really think you do.

Which laws?

Santa Barbera do you come from the city Santa Barbara that deals with it's indigent citizens and skid row alcoholics by giving them one way bus tickets to Bakersfield? The city that had to be stopped from doing this twice? Once in court and once by political pressure?

If so at least you live what you preach. Send em up North if they cant make it here ought to be Santa Barbara's motto.

Irrelevant. Life in Mexico is shitty, much like life in fascist Germany, yet you blame Mexicans for not "fixing their country" and turn a blind eye when Germans didn't do the same thing.

You have an inconsistent viewpoint which I would describe as hypocritical.

Ok, let me explain it again. The diffrence between 1900's Kiaser German government and Mexico government today is.

Germany in 1900.
German Emperor Wilhelm was in charge
After getting rid of his last chancellor, Wihelm started doing his own "personal rule", and he wanted to establish another Iron Chancellor. By dismissing Bismarck, Wihelm destroyed any chance of Germany having a stable government or economy. Also Bismarck was a man who wanted to create a Reich style government. By the time my ancestor fled, Prince Bernhard von Bülow was the new chancellor, and was left to deal with Germany domestic issuses while Wihelm took on international concerns. By this time, the German empire was pretty much well set. However, the people who oppose this empire, some fled, and some actually stay and try to fight it and to change it.

Mexico today:
Presidente Fox
from Wiki:

Politics of Mexico takes place in a framework of a federal presidential representative democratic republic, whereby the President of Mexico is both head of state and head of government, and of a pluriform multi-party system. Executive power is exercised by the government. Legislative power is vested in both the government and the two chambers of the Congress of the Union. The Judiciary is independent of the executive and the legislature.

The 1917 Constitution of Mexico provides for a federal republic with powers separated into independent executive, legislative, and judicial branches. Historically, the executive is the dominant branch, with power vested in the president, who promulgates and executes the laws of the Congress. Congress has played an increasingly important role since 1997 when opposition parties first formed a majority in the legislature.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico/Government

So it's a moot point and a silly one when you compare 1900 German Empire (in which the people had very little choice in the say of government) to Mexico today, which is a Republic, and has a multi-party government, in which the people has as much say in the government as we do in the US.



First, I don't give a fuck about who "assimilates" into our "culture." That has nothing to do with legal immigration either.


It has EVERYTHING to do with legal immigration. When you sign that paper, and when they hand you your green card and SS card. You become an American Citizen. Which mean you must assimilate into the new culture. You can keep your old one, but add the American culture in it too. You must also speak what the majoirty of that country citizen's are speaking, in this case, which is english. The illegals are not doing that.

Second, your argument regarding Fox could be made with the Kaiser too, again revealing your inconsistency.


See above.

Third, your suppositions about how they don't "contribute" are bullshit. California undeniably has a good number of illegal immigrants, yet we have a GDP greater than any other state, and we contribute more in taxes than we receive in benefits.

Also, let's not forget that California can be it's own country, but it's always been like that. Right now California has a medicade deficate of 9 billion dollars, why do they have that, because of illegals. These illegals are using medicade, our schools, our public services for basically free. Because they are here illgeally, they do not pay taxes, thus they contribute NOTHING into the system. They only take out, without putting in.

Fourth, it's interesting to note that you ignored the bits about government bureacracy. I mean, I would too. Look at those filing fees! The GDP per capita of Mexico is $ 9,600, which means that almost certainly anyone considering immigrating to America in search of a better life makes much, much less than that. Yet you have the GALL to not only assume they can save up enough to pay those filing fees (multiple times, if our government demands it), but to act self-righteous and hypocritical when gasp, they don't!


Hey, we're not a welfare state, we're not a Nanny state, so coming here isn't free.


Blah. Whatever. Continue to masturbate towards the image of blowing up people for making the crime of being poor and wanting to live in the USA.

Ahh the poor comment, and now I'm suspose I'm a mean spirit racist who don't care about the poor. Don't even try that.

For example I broke the law twice today, do you give a shit? I don't really think you do.and you realize that this can constitute a legal confession you know.

and you realize that this can constitute a legal confession you know.
*informs the authorities*

You know, violating the law to show that illegal immigrants shouldn't violate the law doesn't make any fucking sense either.

You place a lot of emphasis on legal, but what did you do? Oh yeah, you were born. You didn't have to fill out 97 forms and pay thousands of dollars and wait years and years while starving to death routinely getting beaten by corrupt Mexican police officers.

People like you whine a lot when it comes to OMG ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS VIOLATE THE LAW but you don't seem to care much when citizens violate the law. For example I broke the law twice today, do you give a shit? I don't really think you do.



i agree with you on most of your points..but do you realize the illegal's pay thousands to come here..ILLEGALLY'
and most get robbed and left for dead!

i feel deeply for them,i really do,but your not goingh to shame me into equating your speeding ticket or whatever minor infraction you did(smoke some weed eh?)
it is not the same as violating a countries border,tresspassing and posibly worse,some ranchers property.

try all day...you lose.

You know, violating the law to show that illegal immigrants shouldn't violate the law doesn't make any fucking sense either.think you'll find very few, if at all, people support wilgrove's use of land mines.

You place a lot of emphasis on legal, but what did you do? Oh yeah, you were born. You didn't have to fill out 97 forms and pay thousands of dollars and wait years and years while starving to death routinely getting beaten by corrupt Mexican police officers. that's a perk of being born an Americian. not everyone is Born An American so not everyone get's automatic Citizenship.

People like you whine a lot when it comes to OMG ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS VIOLATE THE LAW but you don't seem to care much when citizens violate the law. For example I broke the law twice today, do you give a shit? I don't really think you do.guess what, i broke the law too... and you know what happened? I went to Court and I paid my fines. did you go to court? or are you hiding behind your user name and false bravado.

Fourth, it's interesting to note that you ignored the bits about government bureacracy. I mean, I would too. Look at those filing fees! The GDP per capita of Mexico is $ 9,600, which means that almost certainly anyone considering immigrating to America in search of a better life makes much, much less than that. Yet you have the GALL to not only assume they can save up enough to pay those filing fees (multiple times, if our government demands it), but to act self-righteous and hypocritical when gasp, they don't!there is a thing called sponsoring. that is when citizens chip in to help pay those fees. I and my friends sponsored another friends Fiancee to become a citizen before they got married. and yes, it was several years ago, so the forms were the same and so were the fees. there are ways to help people become a citizen, helping them sneak across the border is not one of them.

Santa Barbara I declared that you lost.
You Played Race Card.
You've Invoked Godwin's Law.
And your at the point of not making Sense.
It is turning from a discussion into Trolling.
Door's to the Left...

And the real reason why Fox wants the border open is because those Illegals Import the Money they made in America to their Families in Mexico. It's basicly a handout from the US. Who would refuse a handout?

And the real reason why Fox wants the border open is because those Illegals Import the Money they made in America to their Families in Mexico. It's basicly a handout from the US. Who would refuse a handout?

Not handout. Workout. Mexicans work hard for the money they send home so it can't be a handout. Incorrect terminology.

Since the actual border itself is government property, why don't the people who live near the border start putting up their own fences and walls. I tell ya, if I had some border property, I would put in land mines, and watch the fun! There's nothing against the law for the US citizens to buy their own border property and putting the wall up themselves.

I am happy that in my country there is laws against settign up traps, even on your own property, where I live people like you get locked up, thank goodness.

How am I a racist? I mean jeez, I don't want these illegals coming into my country, illegally. I don't care if they're brown, black, or purple. If you come into this country illegally, then you are a criminal, and you should be deported right back across the border. If it was up to me, the border would already have a wall on it with security forces keeping an eye on it to make sure no one gets across. All I'm saying is one way to teach them that you can't cross illegally is by well, land mines. It may be extreme, but it only takes one or two illegals for the rest of them to get the idea.
I'm with you. I personally don't mind them if they don't suck up welfare, and know English, with along a few other things. $57,000,000 dollars a month goes to 100,000 ofspring of illegals, in L.A. alone.

I thought the USA was a nation of immigrants? The inscription on the Statue of Liberty reads

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

But then again this is the same nation that staed its belief that "all men are created equal" while happily living off the proceeds of a slave economy so at least they are being consistent.

I thought the USA was a nation of immigrants? The inscription on the Statue of Liberty reads

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

But then again this is the same nation that staed its belief that "all men are created equal" while happily living off the proceeds of a slave economy so at least they are being consistent.

Yea, but the waves of immigrants in the 1900s to the 1920s were about 90% legal. While this wave, where only 10% are legal.

Since the actual border itself is government property, why don't the people who live near the border start putting up their own fences and walls. I tell ya, if I had some border property, I would put in land mines, and watch the fun! There's nothing against the law for the US citizens to buy their own border property and putting the wall up themselves.

How do you feel about the Khmer Rouge?

Ok, let me explain it again. The diffrence between 1900's Kiaser German government and Mexico government today is.

OK, you still DO NOT GET IT. I am not comparing Germany and Mexico. I am comparing your view that immigrants, rather than immigrating, should "change their home nation." Your view of that is one aimed at Mexico, but you don't aim it at Germany, even though by your own words Germany sure did need some fixing. Your view is one of hypocrisy.


So it's a moot point and a silly one when you compare 1900 German Empire (in which the people had very little choice in the say of government) to Mexico today, which is a Republic,

A Republic is any kind of nation that isn't a monarchy. Don't put more into that word than there really is.

And see above regarding your comparison. You still didn't see what I was comparing.


It has EVERYTHING to do with legal immigration. When you sign that paper, and when they hand you your green card and SS card. You become an American Citizen. Which mean you must assimilate into the new culture.

No, actually, it doesn't. There is NOTHING on any of those forms about how you suddenly have to listen to Britney Spears or eat at McDonalds.

You can keep your old one, but add the American culture in it too. You must also speak what the majoirty of that country citizen's are speaking, in this case, which is english. The illegals are not doing that.


The US doesn't have an official language, and it's not english.


Also, let's not forget that California can be it's own country, but it's always been like that. Right now California has a medicade deficate of 9 billion dollars, why do they have that, because of illegals.

No, California hasn't always been the 9th largest economy in the world. Thanks for trying. As for Medicaid I think you'll find it has a defecit in every single state. It's not a profit making organization. No government organization is.

These illegals are using medicade, our schools, our public services for basically free. Because they are here illgeally, they do not pay taxes, thus they contribute NOTHING into the system. They only take out, without putting in.

They work jobs, and pay sales taxes when they buy things, thus they don't contribute NOTHING into "the system." And I think the Californian economy shows that.


Hey, we're not a welfare state, we're not a Nanny state, so coming here isn't free.

LOL please. We ARE a welfare state. Coming here isn't free because the government wants more money to support its shit. Like... the Department of Homeland Security, which the money directly is paid to. Big, bloated socialist government is what we have, and you support it, all the while mocking a "nanny state."


Ahh the poor comment, and now I'm suspose I'm a mean spirit racist who don't care about the poor. Don't even try that.

You yourself just gave a shit-poor excuse ("we're not a welfare state") for charging 500, 1000 dollars filing fee for all of those idiotic forms to people who make less than a quarter of the average American. If you care about the poor, you sure care more about robbing them blind.

i agree with you on most of your points..but do you realize the illegal's pay thousands to come here..ILLEGALLY'
and most get robbed and left for dead!

i feel deeply for them,i really do,but your not goingh to shame me into equating your speeding ticket or whatever minor infraction you did(smoke some weed eh?)
it is not the same as violating a countries border,tresspassing and posibly worse,some ranchers property.

try all day...you lose.

Why not? Everyone is emphasizing how the only problem with illegal immigration is that it's ILLEGAL. Well, I do activities that are ILLEGAL too and you don't have the problem with it. You shrug and say, it's not the same - well okay, so you only care about justice, law, and order, when the "minor infractions" are committed by immigrants.

It's not me that's "winning" or "losing," here.

As for your hypothesis about paying thousands of dollars to get here, show some evidence for that and back it up. Make an argument instead of going "HAHA I AM TEH WIN."

guess what, i broke the law too... and you know what happened? I went to Court and I paid my fines. did you go to court? or are you hiding behind your user name and false bravado.

Why would I want to go to Court? I'm an American Citizen. I'm above that kind of shit. ;)

Santa Barbara I declared that you lost.
You Played Race Card.
You've Invoked Godwin's Law.
And your at the point of not making Sense.
It is turning from a discussion into Trolling.
Door's to the Left...


Oh, you "declare" eh?

You think Godwin's Law has anything to do with winning or losing an argument. You think I don't make sense, because you cannot understand. It's turning into a Trolling session because people like you, who I've never discussed anything at all with yet in this thread, come out of the blue and try to intimidate me with your "OMG LOL U LOSE" bullshit.

Here's a hint, The Lone Alliance, and the Secret aj Man: Saying "You lose" isn't an argument. OK? It actually makes you look like an immature brat.

Land mines, like electric fences, chainguns, etc, etc aren't legal for your average citizen.

Besides, you put land mines, and it will be lawsuit city the moment someone steps on it who isn't an illegal immigrant.

Also, I'm pretty sure that putting a minefield in your property is about as illegal as opening a nuclear waste storage silo there.

Just so you are aware, there is nothing illegal about having an electric fence or barbed wire on your property. Many farmers and ranchers use them to keep their livestock from knocking regular fences over.

Personally, if I owned a house (near the border or not), I'd have these around my property: http://www.cabelas.com/products/Cpod0033113.jsp

Then, I would turn over the images of anyone on my property to the police, as those people would be trespassing (regardless of their race or immigration status).

How do you feel about the Khmer Rouge?

Not in favor of it.

The points I tried to make (and failed obviously) with this thread is this.

1. If the government fails to provide for the people (and let's face it, Bush isn't going to provide us with border security, that's just a bunch of bullshit he's blowing up our asses.) Then the American citizens has the right to provide for itself. IE buying property right next door to the border and building their own wall.

2. If you want to become a citizen here in the United States, you must play by OUR rules, and OUR rules state that you can't hop across the border because it's illegal. We do not support an open border policy. By coming across the border illegally, you already are not playing by our rules, so guess what, you should get sent back to where you came from and try again.

The points I tried to make (and failed obviously) with this thread is this.

1. If the government fails to provide for the people (and let's face it, Bush isn't going to provide us with border security, that's just a bunch of bullshit he's blowing up our asses.) Then the American citizens has the right to provide for itself. IE buying property right next door to the border and building their own wall.


No, not really. See if the government fails to provide us with free healthcare, do I have the right to go rob some government facility for drugs? No. You can build walls on your property, but don't give me this "we're just doing what the government cannot, for the good of the nation."


2. If you want to become a citizen here in the United States, you must play by OUR rules, and OUR rules state that you can't hop across the border because it's illegal. We do not support an open border policy. By coming across the border illegally, you already are not playing by our rules, so guess what, you should get sent back to where you came from and try again.

Yes.... hopping across the border is illegal, thus it's wrong... because it's illegal... because it's wrong. Wink wink.

The US doesn't have an official language, and it's not english.we are on our way to getting one.
Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/18/AR2006051800242.html)
Why would I want to go to Court? I'm an American Citizen. I'm above that kind of shit. ;)Ahh... excersising your right to blackmail and bribery eh? :D

we are on our way to getting one.
Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/18/AR2006051800242.html)

Whether people are proposing an official language or not is irrelevant to the fact that currently, we don't have one.


Ahh... excersising your right to blackmail and bribery eh? :D

More like my right to an American public that only cares about law when its being broken in a way that the media and special interest groups bring to their attention. :)

Whether people are proposing an official language or not is irrelevant to the fact that currently, we don't have one.
read it again...
After an emotional debate fraught with symbolism, the Senate yesterday voted to make English the "national language" of the United States, not proposing, but voted.

The impact of the language amendment was unclear even after its passage. The wording negating claims to multilingual services appears straightforward. It also sets requirements that immigrants seeking U.S. citizenship know the English language and U.S. history. The amendment would require more thorough testing to demonstrate English-language proficiency and knowledge of U.S. history and elements of U.S. culture such as the Pledge of Allegiance and the National Anthem.

read it again...
not proposing, but voted.

Eh.

The measure, approved 63 to 34, directs the government to "preserve and enhance" the role of English, without altering current laws that require some government documents and services be provided in other languages.

..

But its author, Sen. James M. Inhofe (R-Okla.), made two last-minute changes that some opponents said would reduce its effect significantly. By stipulating that the English-only mandates could not negate existing laws, Inhofe spared current ordinances that allow bilingual education or multilingual ballots. By changing the amendment to label English the "national language" rather than the "official language" of the country, Inhofe may have lessened its symbolic power.

Doesn't look all that special to me. No official english language.

I thought the USA was a nation of immigrants? The inscription on the Statue of Liberty reads

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

The Statue of Liberty was a gift from France. And the quote above doesn't say anything about allowing the 'refuse of your teeming shore' to cross your borders illegally and use social services without paying taxes, then send most of the money they make to Mexico, draining the US economy and weakening the dollar.

In fact, now that I think about it, allowing illegal immigration (because that's what we're doing by not securing the borders) is a lot like importing poverty. Good idea, that. Especially since there aren't millions of poor Americans (inner cities) who compete with illegals for jobs.

Eh.



Doesn't look all that special to me. No official english language.
The measure, approved 63 to 34, directs the government to "preserve and enhance" the role of English, without altering current laws that require some government documents and services be provided in other languages.
..

But its author, Sen. James M. Inhofe (R-Okla.), made two last-minute changes that some opponents said would reduce its effect significantly. By stipulating that the English-only mandates could not negate existing laws, Inhofe spared current ordinances that allow bilingual education or multilingual ballots. By changing the amendment to label English the "national language" rather than the "official language" of the country, Inhofe may have lessened its symbolic power.
while they will still keep the multilanguage forms and services, dont forget the other part I quoted.

It also sets requirements that immigrants seeking U.S. citizenship know the English language and U.S. history. The amendment would require more thorough testing to demonstrate English-language proficiency

and a following amendment
competing amendment by Salazar. It declared English the "common unifying language of the United States,"and thus, while not really changing anything, except adding requirements that Legals learn our language, English is now the National language of the United States.

Your Original argument was that there is no "Offical" language for the US. It has just been declared.

No, not really. See if the government fails to provide us with free healthcare, do I have the right to go rob some government facility for drugs? No. You can build walls on your property, but don't give me this "we're just doing what the government cannot, for the good of the nation."


The government never promised free healthcare like it promised secured borders. FYI, there is free health care, just look at medicade.


Yes.... hopping across the border is illegal, thus it's wrong... because it's illegal... because it's wrong. Wink wink.

Now you're getting it.