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After all, a terrorist from Kansas drove to Oklahoma and blew up a federal building full of innocents. Why didn't Oklahoma tighten their borders? Someone tell me please!

After all, a terrorist from Kansas drove to Oklahoma and blew up a federal building full of innocents. Why didn't Oklahoma tighten their borders? Someone tell me please!
Damn that constitution.

After all, a terrorist from Kansas drove to Oklahoma and blew up a federal building full of innocents. Why didn't Oklahoma tighten their borders? Someone tell me please!
because the right to regulate interstate commerce is relegated to Congress and Congress has decided that commerce works best between states if teh borders are open.

After all, a terrorist from Kansas drove to Oklahoma and blew up a federal building full of innocents. Why didn't Oklahoma tighten their borders? Someone tell me please!
i hope youre not american. please tell me youre not. PLEEEEEZE!

i hope youre not american. please tell me youre not. PLEEEEEZE!

I am an American, and its a rhetorical question. Have you answered it? You will not be scored on this test.

As much as we'd like to isolate (Kansas), or separate (Michigan and Ohio) some states, I don't think it's allowed.

Why dont we have a closed border with Canada? How many of the 9/11 terrorists went through Mexico before entering the States versus those that went through Canada?

The US/Canadian border is the softest border in the world and the illegals that cross over it are not Mexicans looking for work.

The Southern border closure is pure racism, and the fact that none of the old white men in Washington or the stupid rednecks who advocate for a fence along the border say nothing about the Canadian border is proof it is racially motivated.


A pathetic display of ignorance and stupidity from the Great Melting Pot.

because the right to regulate interstate commerce is relegated to Congress and Congress has decided that commerce works best between states if teh borders are open.

Hmmm....is that so? Interesting. But it wouldn't work with Mexico, because....?

Damn that constitution.

Yeah. Silly Founders. Didn't they notice the huge interstate terrorist problem?

Hmmm....is that so? Interesting. But it wouldn't work with Mexico, because....?
Because Mexico is not part of the United States so Congress has as much power of what Mexico does with it's side of the border as Mexico has with what we do with ours.

Yeah. Silly Founders. Didn't they notice the huge interstate terrorist problem?
Considering they themselves were Domestic Terrorists I am certain it came up....or did you think America was country first and then it had a revolution.

After all, a terrorist from Kansas drove to Oklahoma and blew up a federal building full of innocents. Why didn't Oklahoma tighten their borders? Someone tell me please!
actually it was closed. alot of rights were trampled but when all those involved were identified and found, because the US citizenry cooperated and assisted in aprehending those vile domestic terrorists, their rights were restored and the borders were reopened.

you must've been asleep when it happened. I know I was.

Why dont we have a closed border with Canada? How many of the 9/11 terrorists went through Mexico before entering the States versus those that went through Canada?

The US/Canadian border is the softest border in the world and the illegals that cross over it are not Mexicans looking for work.

The Southern border closure is pure racism, and the fact that none of the old white men in Washington or the stupid rednecks who advocate for a fence along the border say nothing about the Canadian border is proof it is racially motivated.


A pathetic display of ignorance and stupidity from the Great Melting Pot.Wrong again, chuck. The Mexican border is NOT closed. We have the same security on the northern border as we do on the southern. Some people are calling for a change in that and I'm one of them - north and south, BTW. The reason there is more focus on the southern border is because almost 80% of all illegal immigration comes over that border. You kinda focus on where the problem is, right? I mean. if you're bleeding profusely from your head and you also have a cut on your finger, which would you take care of first?

BTW - the current legal crossings, as far as I'm concerned, can stay just as open as they are. Hell, open 'em even more and put employment offices on teh border so Mexicans can apply for jobs here in the states and employers can look for employees in Mexico. I also think we need to cut down on the buerocratic mess that is a barrier to legal immigration.

What we have now, however, is chaos.

Considering they themselves were Domestic Terrorists I am certain it came up....or did you think America was country first and then it had a revolution.

No. As it turns out, I did hear something about that Revolution thingy in my elementary school history class... ;)

You may consider them domestic terrorists, but I seriously doubt they saw themselves as such, and if they did not see themselves as such then it seems unlikely that it "came up". Potential treason and/or sedition by Loyalists probably was discussed, however.

Yeah. Silly Founders. Didn't they notice the huge interstate terrorist problem?

Well, Kansas is rather known for its mental cases. Myself, for example. LOL
Its also the home of the notorious Rev. Fred Phelps who crosses state lines to picket the funerals of soldiers. And of course, we can't forget the BTK killer.

So why not wall all these terrorist Kansans out of other states? That's what a border policy is for, isn't it? To keep undesirables out? Frankly, in view of these recent developments, I am amazed that Oklahoma, Missouri, Nebraska and Colorado haven't already done so!

Its mystifying.....

Considering they themselves were Domestic Terrorists I am certain it came up....or did you think America was country first and then it had a revolution.
I wasn't aware that the American revolutionaries were attacking civilian targets. I thought they pretty much stuck to military targets. In fact, I thought they didn't even hit Brittish diplomats, just actual soldiers. Ever see the way they fought wars back then? You know, all the people that wanted to fight line up and face each other. Don't fire 'til you see the whites of their eyes and all that...

The US/Canadian border is the softest border

Yeah, definitely...I mean, look at all those draconian EU member international borders with nothing but a sign (in some places) to tell you you've arrived in a different country...

No. As it turns out, I did hear something about that Revolution thingy in my elementary school history class... ;)

You may consider them domestic terrorists, but I seriously doubt they saw themselves as such, and if they did not see themselves as such then it seems unlikely that it "came up". Potential treason and/or sedition by Loyalists probably was discussed, however.

And why is domestic terrorism not inspiring the clamping shut of borders but international terrorism is? I am having trouble understanding the double standard...

Hmmm....is that so? Interesting. But it wouldn't work with Mexico, because....?
There's NAFTA.

And why is domestic terrorism not inspiring the clamping shut of borders but international terrorism is? I am having trouble understanding the double standard...
There needs to be a lot more domestic terrorism to justify the building of those barriers. Since there are already international points of entry in place, it's much easier to try to stop international terrorist by tightening those spots.

Yeah, definitely...I mean, look at all those draconian EU member international borders with nothing but a sign (in some places) to tell you you've arrived in a different country...

Ey, it's hard to go past those signs you know. You swerve off the road to look at 'em and spend hours waiting just so you can be able to get to the next country.

And why is domestic terrorism not inspiring the clamping shut of borders but international terrorism is? I am having trouble understanding the double standard...
because the limitations that were imposed produced the desired results. also the citizens agreed and assisted with the limitations made the trampling of Rights temporary.

because the citizens cooperated with the limits the Government placed on them, closing the borders was not necessary.

I remember having my car searched everytime I went to fix computers at a Government building. I had to open my tool kit and explain each function to the guards as I was entering.

now I don't need do that. tho the parking limitation is still enforced.

And why is domestic terrorism not inspiring the clamping shut of borders but international terrorism is? I am having trouble understanding the double standard...

I'm not quite sure why having two standards for two quite different situations is a double standard.

Ey, it's hard to go past those signs you know. You swerve off the road to look at 'em and spend hours waiting just so you can be able to get to the next country.
Yeah, damn those signs, they make travelling so difficult...

I wasn't aware that the American revolutionaries were attacking civilian targets. I thought they pretty much stuck to military targets. In fact, I thought they didn't even hit Brittish diplomats, just actual soldiers. Ever see the way they fought wars back then? You know, all the people that wanted to fight line up and face each other. Don't fire 'til you see the whites of their eyes and all that...
You must have missed the entire tarring and feathering thing.

Hmmm....is that so? Interesting. But it wouldn't work with Mexico, because....?

Because they have not been annexed into the US, nor invited in, and we're not likely to do it.

In other words, Mexico is Mexico, and the 50 United States make up the United States.

In other words, Mexico is Mexico, and the 50 United States make up the United States.
But Mexico's states are also united! :confused:

And why is domestic terrorism not inspiring the clamping shut of borders but international terrorism is?

Funny. I remember not being able to leave NYC or Long Island for about a week after the 9/11 attacks because all the bridges and tunnels were roadblocked.

But oh my, they've never clamped down on the borders domestically!

Even if they hadn't, it would still be a different situation. The states of the US comprise one country. Mexico and Canada are not part of that country. (For which the Canadians are heartily thankful!)

There needs to be a lot more domestic terrorism to justify the building of those barriers. Since there are already international points of entry in place, it's much easier to try to stop international terrorist by tightening those spots.

Could someone quickly tally the number of international terrorist attacks the United States has experienced on their own soil and how many domestic terrorist attacks of that same area?

I am quite sure there is something interesting about those numbers....

You must have missed the entire tarring and feathering thing.
Yeah, that's right. They did do that to some diplomats and governors. Still, they weren't blowing up town squares or churches. They pretty much stuck to politics.

But Mexico's states are also united! :confused:
Yes.... but not with the United States.

Or are you arguing that Mexico's states should close all their borders, too?

Could someone quickly tally the number of international terrorist attacks the United States has experienced on their own soil and how many domestic terrorist attacks of that same area?

I am quite sure there is something interesting about those numbers....
Could someone quickly tally the number of ports of entry for travel between the states and those set for international travel?

I am quite sure there is something interesting about those numbers...

I don't want them damn West Virginians and New Jersians coming over into my beautiful Pennsylvania! They'll take our jobs, flood the streets with crime, and become a plague onto Pennsylvanian society!

I am an American, and its a rhetorical question. Have you answered it? You will not be scored on this test.
i didnt need to answer it, the 2 guys above me already had. if its a quiz you should request essays or spoiler tags.

Or are you arguing that Mexico's states should close all their borders, too?
Those oaxacans... :mad: *shakes fist at Oaxaca*

Could someone quickly tally the number of international terrorist attacks the United States has experienced on their own soil and how many domestic terrorist attacks of that same area?

I am quite sure there is something interesting about those numbers....
It's immaterial. A US citizen is a US citizen and has the Constitutional right to travel anywhere in the US without restriction unless they have been convicted of certain crimes. Building walls would restrict a basic right guarenteed to every US citizen.

In anycase, we don't have many home-grown terrorists. In my lifetime, I am 37, I only remember very few and only one that really killed a lot of people. I'm sure taken together they don't come close to the tally of 9/11.

I don't want them damn West Virginians and New Jersians coming over into my beautiful Pennsylvania! They'll take our jobs, flood the streets with crime, and become a plague onto Pennsylvanian society!
Funny. Would be poingant if it had any reflection in reality. But, being that New Jersey and West Virginia aren't exporting millions of people to Pennsylvania it doesn't really mean much.

Well, Kansas is rather known for its mental cases. Myself, for example. LOL
Its also the home of the notorious Rev. Fred Phelps who crosses state lines to picket the funerals of soldiers. And of course, we can't forget the BTK killer.

So why not wall all these terrorist Kansans out of other states? That's what a border policy is for, isn't it? To keep undesirables out? Frankly, in view of these recent developments, I am amazed that Oklahoma, Missouri, Nebraska and Colorado haven't already done so!

Its mystifying.....

Because Kansans are Americans, CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, and they can travel wherever they please in the US. Mexican citizens who illegally enter the US, however, have no right to do so....

Funny. I remember not being able to leave NYC or Long Island for about a week after the 9/11 attacks because all the bridges and tunnels were roadblocked.

But oh my, they've never clamped down on the borders domestically!

Even if they hadn't, it would still be a different situation. The states of the US comprise one country. Mexico and Canada are not part of that country. (For which the Canadians are heartily thankful!)

Well, see you shared something alot of us didn't know. You see west of NYC there is a vast continent full of people of all shapes and sizes. Some of them have moved to NYC, some have visited, some have only dreamed of it, and some never care to. But anyway, those of us outhere in the greater part of the continent don't always know what is going on in that big ol' city of yours, so thank you for sharing!

=D

It's immaterial. A US citizen is a US citizen and has the Constitutional right to travel anywhere in the US without restriction unless they have been convicted of certain crimes. Building walls would restrict a basic right guarenteed to every US citizen.

In anycase, we don't have many home-grown terrorists. In my lifetime, I am 37, I only remember very few and only one that really killed a lot of people. I'm sure taken together they don't come close to the tally of 9/11.

And how many Mexican terrorists do you remember? After Santa Ana, that is...?

Because I told them not to.

And how many Mexican terrorists do you remember? After Santa Ana, that is...?
None and no one is complaining about that that I have ever heard. Having said that, a wide open border is a juicy target for entry into the US. It's also a chief point of entry for one of the largest criminal organizations in the US - outside of Congress, that is.

You know, that actually says something right there. Mara Salvatrucha is actually one of the biggest gangs in the US and it is comprised almost chiefly of illegal aliens who come her, get deported, come back, get deported, come back - like it's nothing. Like it's just a free ride home to hang out with their friends. I wouldn't be surprised if they call immigration on themselves whenever they want to see friends and family. They've built a criminal network stretching from El Salvador, through Mexico and into multiple cities in the US. Even on the eastern seaboard. Wow.

Funny. Would be poingant if it had any reflection in reality. But, being that New Jersey and West Virginia aren't exporting millions of people to Pennsylvania it doesn't really mean much.

But New Jersey has exported hundreds of thousands of retirees to Florida over the last decade or two....

Why doesn't Florida just slam the door shut in their face and deport the ones that haven't been there for 10 years?

Why dont we have a closed border with Canada? How many of the 9/11 terrorists went through Mexico before entering the States versus those that went through Canada?

The US/Canadian border is the softest border in the world and the illegals that cross over it are not Mexicans looking for work.

The Southern border closure is pure racism, and the fact that none of the old white men in Washington or the stupid rednecks who advocate for a fence along the border say nothing about the Canadian border is proof it is racially motivated.


A pathetic display of ignorance and stupidity from the Great Melting Pot.

It's not racism, If millions of Canadians were trying to immigrate illegally and the Mexicans sat in their armchairs and scoffed at our foreign policy, we'd have an opposite border policy. More than half the people in this country illegally come from one country, and it isn't Canada.

Mara Salvatrucha is actually one of the biggest gangs in the US and it is comprised almost chiefly of illegal aliens who come her, get deported, come back, get deported, come back - like it's nothing.

Poverty breeds gangs.
Wealth breeds country club sets.
Both are hard to get in to. Both do whatever the fuck they want.

I don't want them damn West Virginians and New Jersians coming over into my beautiful Pennsylvania! They'll take our jobs, flood the streets with crime, and become a plague onto Pennsylvanian society!

One word: Philadelphia. :D

Because some joker from Texas would toss a hose over the wall one night and flood Oklahoma, that's why.

Well, see you shared something alot of us didn't know. You see west of NYC there is a vast continent full of people of all shapes and sizes. Some of them have moved to NYC, some have visited, some have only dreamed of it, and some never care to. But anyway, those of us outhere in the greater part of the continent don't always know what is going on in that big ol' city of yours, so thank you for sharing!

=D

I hear a great wind whistling from an empty plain. Oh wait, no, it was only a breeze.

Because some joker from Texas would toss a hose over the wall one night and flood Oklahoma, that's why.

:D

I mean, no I...he wouldn't.

But New Jersey has exported hundreds of thousands of retirees to Florida over the last decade or two....

Why doesn't Florida just slam the door shut in their face and deport the ones that haven't been there for 10 years?
Again, they are American citizens and have the Constitutional right to travel anywhere they want in the US. In anycase, they are probably quite a boon to the local economy.

Kentucky had already tried to close the border between themselves and us (Indiana) years ago but gave up on the attempt when several fence workers had perished in the attempt to erect the fence there on the state line. Eventually they had either finally given up, or run out of Kentuckians, I'm not sure which. (Note to the geographically challenged - the Ohio River completely forms the border between the states of Indiana and Kentucky.)

Why dont we have a closed border with Canada? How many of the 9/11 terrorists went through Mexico before entering the States versus those that went through Canada?

The US/Canadian border is the softest border in the world and the illegals that cross over it are not Mexicans looking for work.

The Southern border closure is pure racism, and the fact that none of the old white men in Washington or the stupid rednecks who advocate for a fence along the border say nothing about the Canadian border is proof it is racially motivated.


A pathetic display of ignorance and stupidity from the Great Melting Pot.

not to be rude...but you are showing an abundance of ignorance as well.

the amount of crime(gangs) is staggering,caused by illegal gangs that operate in most cities now,poor women are forced into prostitution,the whole drug thing...the fact that they jump back over the border to avoid prosecution for crimes they commit,the enormous drain on our medical and welfare system,education system(and dont tell me i'm wrong..my son was in a fight with an illegal kid last year..he was suspended and i had to leave work to get him from school...the illegal..they could not contact his parents and he didn't speak english..both were suspended...but the fight was over my kid bumping him in a hallway by accident...my boy said sorry..but since he did not understand english,he threw a punch at my kid and my kid obviously retaliated..and we have zero tolerance here)

all the above and then you have the people on the border that illegals cut across their property(tresspassing..another crime)and steal and vandalize and dump trash on their property..in other words..shit on the property owners.

a friend had his fence cut so it would ease their illegal entry,and he lost half his herd....now his property has been vandalised,his income has been hurt due to loss of his herd,and if the fence cutter got cut...he has the pleasure of paying his tax dollars to fix the illegal at the e.r..which we all know will never be repaid.

yea call me a redneck..lol...i am from the north east and a liberally raised son of a deacon,but i can tell right from wrong,and i can see simple logic...like if the immigration laws were relaxed to allow guest workers,and the border secured..you would not have coyotes leaving people in the desert to die...force women into prostitution to pay their way,and keep out the gangs...

but that is just to damn logical for you knee jerk america haters isnt it?

it aint all innocent hardworking mexicans skipping thru the fields towards a better life in horrible(ironic no?)america.

it is a multitude of good hardworking people,with a healthy dose of ms-13,drug gangs and people with no respect for our laws.

how about you invite them into your home and backyard..then i will change my tune.
but i doubt you want thousands of gang bangers in your yard,and neither do i,people searching for a better life..hell yea..open arms,but you are either misguided by the "college liberal b.s. or you are foolish and uninformed..or just plain anti american in so far as if it hurts us...it is good.


your ignorance of the subject is appalling..kudos to you!

go ask your college proffesor how we solve the problem of the gang's,the issue of medical/welfare/education drain on the taxpayer?
oh and also how about the cost of investigating,bringing to trial and incarcerating the murders and rapists and robbers that dont sneak back across the border?

maybe mexico will reimburse us...while they are at it..they can compensate the landowners that are getting shit on for their losses.

oh..wait...mexico makes more money from illegals sending our money that should be in our economy back home then they make from anything else...hmmm..maybe they want to keep the status quo instead of cleaning up the corruption that permeates every level of their country?

and while there at it..they could have their police stop raping and robbing central americans they catch..i know the world would have a hissy fit if we were half as bad as mexico..but alas...america is bad...but mexico gets a pass.
as long as it hurts america it is good...right?:headbang:

After all, a terrorist from Kansas drove to Oklahoma and blew up a federal building full of innocents. Why didn't Oklahoma tighten their borders? Someone tell me please!

Erm because Kansans and Oklahomans are both U.S. Citizens and there arent any international borders to "tighten" between the two?

Did I geddit right? Huh? Did I?

After all, a terrorist from Kansas drove to Oklahoma and blew up a federal building full of innocents. Why didn't Oklahoma tighten their borders? Someone tell me please!

As a Californian, I'm sick of all these freeloading New Yorkers and Midwesterners coming here, taking our jobs and leeching off our health care. They don't speak properly, and never bother to learn. Many of them have criminal records and can't drive worth a shit either. I can't count how many times I've been cut off by some idiot with an out-of-state license plate. Not to mention how non-Californians frequently send money out of our state to their home states! Non-Californians are an invasion of rodents! GO AWAY!

Wrong again, chuck. The Mexican border is NOT closed. We have the same security on the northern border as we do on the southern. Some people are calling for a change in that and I'm one of them - north and south, BTW. The reason there is more focus on the southern border is because almost 80% of all illegal immigration comes over that border. You kinda focus on where the problem is, right? I mean. if you're bleeding profusely from your head and you also have a cut on your finger, which would you take care of first?

BTW - the current legal crossings, as far as I'm concerned, can stay just as open as they are. Hell, open 'em even more and put employment offices on teh border so Mexicans can apply for jobs here in the states and employers can look for employees in Mexico. I also think we need to cut down on the buerocratic mess that is a barrier to legal immigration.

What we have now, however, is chaos.


Stop making sense dagnabbit. It scares me. I come here for extremism, strife, and devisiveness and NOT well thought out points based upon anything resembling reality. Maniac!

As a Californian, I'm sick of all these freeloading New Yorkers and Midwesterners coming here, taking our jobs and leeching off our health care. They don't speak properly, and never bother to learn. Many of them have criminal records and can't drive worth a shit either. I can't count how many times I've been cut off by some idiot with an out-of-state license plate. Not to mention how non-Californians frequently send money out of our state to their home states! Non-Californians are an invasion of rodents! GO AWAY!

Oh, you can say that now, but I'm sure your attitude will change after the San Andreas sloughs off most of your southern coast off into the Pacific Ocean. ;)

Oh, you can say that now, but I'm sure your attitude will change after the San Andreas sloughs off most of your southern coast off into the Pacific Ocean. ;)

Haha falls into the ocean blah blah that's funny and original. ;)

As a Californian, I'm sick of all these freeloading New Yorkers and Midwesterners coming here, taking our jobs and leeching off our health care. They don't speak properly, and never bother to learn. Many of them have criminal records and can't drive worth a shit either. I can't count how many times I've been cut off by some idiot with an out-of-state license plate. Not to mention how non-Californians frequently send money out of our state to their home states! Non-Californians are an invasion of rodents! GO AWAY!
And they don't know what a soda is, what the hell.

But New Jersey has exported hundreds of thousands of retirees to Florida over the last decade or two....

Why doesn't Florida just slam the door shut in their face and deport the ones that haven't been there for 10 years?

Jeb Bush.

Haha falls into the ocean blah blah that's funny and original. ;)

Heh, heh. Chaos, discord and anarchy. My work here is done.

Oh, you can say that now, but I'm sure your attitude will change after the San Andreas sloughs off most of your southern coast off into the Pacific Ocean. ;)

You havent looked at a world map have you?

We are just distancing ourselves from New York and heading for Hawaii starting with Baja California. Its a conspiracy so dont tell anybody.

You havent looked at a world map have you?

We are just distancing ourselves from New York and heading for Hawaii starting with Baja California. Its a conspiracy so dont tell anybody.
Surfers of the US Unite!

After all, a terrorist from Kansas drove to Oklahoma and blew up a federal building full of innocents. Why didn't Oklahoma tighten their borders? Someone tell me please!
what the hell, do not bring Kansas into this.

Poverty breeds gangs.
Wealth breeds country club sets.
Both are hard to get in to. Both do whatever the fuck they want.

then fix your country if your mexican...dont come here to shit on us,not learn english,drain my tax dollars and run home when you commit a crime cause your poor...your blaming the victim...

if they are so proud of mexico that they can protest march waving mexican flags...go the fuck home and fix your country.

and no i am not a rascist or a brown hater..my girlfriend is latin,but she came here legally..like my grandparents did....why is that so hard to comprehend...LEGALLY

I guess your big on redistibution of wealth?

give me your money then i'll buy your leftist b.s.
till then...ummm....get a clue.

hmm...

im assuming you are trying to compare closing an international border to closing state borders. if you close/restrict border crossing to a different country why cant we do the same with in our own country.

my arguement is probably obvious at this point. i wont go any further

Because Kansans are Americans, CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, and they can travel wherever they please in the US. Mexican citizens who illegally enter the US, however, have no right to do so....

OK. I was really hoping for something a little more thought provoking than this. But thanks for stating the obvious.

Anyone care to delve into the philosophies of state containment vs nation containment? Texans hate Coloradans, but yet they are not denied entry. Seperatists moved to Montana, but they didn't build a wall around it. Not even Indian Reservations are walled off. What is a border but a line drawn in the sand?

Because some joker from Texas would toss a hose over the wall one night and flood Oklahoma, that's why.

LOL!!!:D

Again, they are American citizens and have the Constitutional right to travel anywhere they want in the US. In anycase, they are probably quite a boon to the local economy.

Retirees? A boon? They don't work. They live off of social programs. And they clog traffic! I'd say they are down right lazy! Plus they paint their houses funny colors.

then fix your country if your mexican...dont come here to shit on us,not learn english,drain my tax dollars and run home when you commit a crime cause your poor...your blaming the victim...

if they are so proud of mexico that they can protest march waving mexican flags...go the fuck home and fix your country.

and no i am not a rascist or a brown hater..my girlfriend is latin,but she came here legally..like my grandparents did....why is that so hard to comprehend...LEGALLY

I guess your big on redistibution of wealth?

give me your money then i'll buy your leftist b.s.
till then...ummm....get a clue.

If you had been paying attention, you'd have gleened information about me that reveals that I am and American from Kansas. I am also a woman, 47 years old, mother of two, college edumacated, with degrees in 3 fields, Business, Psychology and Theology, and a local political pundit. So listen up sonny and have a little respect. I whack the hornets nest. You catch the hornets.

I AM big on redistribution of wealth. Borders not only hold back ppl, they hold back money and trade. NAFTA cannot work freely as long as their is a border that holds workers and consumers contained.

hmm...

im assuming you are trying to compare closing an international border to closing state borders. if you close/restrict border crossing to a different country why cant we do the same with in our own country.

my arguement is probably obvious at this point. i wont go any further

OK, I said no one was going to be graded on this, but you get a star for getting the point of the whole discussion.

If you had been paying attention, you'd have gleened information about me that reveals that I am and American from Kansas. I am also a woman, 47 years old, mother of two, college edumacated, with degrees in 3 fields, Business, Psychology and Theology, and a local political pundit. So listen up sonny and have a little respect. I whack the hornets nest. You catch the hornets.



Thanks to modern chemistry there are cures for most of that now

The US/Canadian border is the softest border in the world and the illegals that cross over it are not Mexicans looking for work.Not quite, check out the EU sometimes. Now that's a soft border. I think 9 times out of 10 I don't have to show my passport when crossing from the UK to France, and I think that's supposed to be the toughest border in the EU.

Not quite, check out the EU sometimes. Now that's a soft border. I think 9 times out of 10 I don't have to show my passport when crossing from the UK to France, and I think that's supposed to be the toughest border in the EU.

Ok, how easy to enter the EU from none EU nations....as the EU is moving quickly towards just being one big country ....seperate nations In Name Only.

Ok, how easy to enter the EU from none EU nations....as the EU is moving quickly towards just being one big country ....seperate nations In Name Only.

United States of Europe?

United States of Europe?

I certainly hope so!

It's not racism, If millions of Canadians were trying to immigrate illegally and the Mexicans sat in their armchairs and scoffed at our foreign policy, we'd have an opposite border policy. More than half the people in this country illegally come from one country, and it isn't Canada.
Really, because more then 50% of the Heroine in this country comes through Canada.

Over 80% of all Illegal Asian(the whole of Asia) immigrants to this country come through Canada.

The largest channel for mid-eastern(North African) Illegal immigrants is Canada.

The Mexican border issue is simply stupid racists who dont like 'Dem Dar Dirty Beeners'.

Why dont you examine the subject before spouting off like one of those racist rednecks.

Cocaine is hardly passed over that border with illegals, Colombian Heroine is hardly passed through that border with illegals.

The Canadian border is the dangerous border, other then some fecking spicy salsa the Mexicans crossing that border pose no threat to this country.

Racist.....Mexico is nation of Brown People lead by Brown People...Canada is not, where is the wall being built?

Funny how we're closing up the border with Mexico when the real danger to the US is California. Perhaps we should just isolate California, or kick it out of teh Union. Have you noticed that everything in America is Hollywood Hollywood California Hollywood Government Hollywood California Hollywood (considering that Hollywood is in California...)?? Isolate California to save our youth! Then we can isolate Kansas, and then possibly New York.

Or we can just bomb Hollywood, but then California would get angry. It's nothing without Hollywood. ;)

The Canadian border is the dangerous border, other then some fecking spicy salsa the Mexicans crossing that border pose no threat to this country.

Darn...those Northerners are afraid of spicy salsa... ;)

I am a globalist. The reason I started this thread was to get people to think about borders or lack thereof, the human and economic impacts of such and the possibility of free migration between neighboring nations.

Thanks to everyone who contributed.

A parting comment: What if a truly alien race landed on our planet tomorrow? Suppose world wide, hundreds of ships landed seemingly anywhere and everywhere. What would the arrival of a fleet of ETs do to our perception of ourselves as individual nations?

I believe that under such circumstances, border disputes would become mute as the people of the Earth unite as one to deal with a REAL alien invasion. It matters not whether it ever happens, the point is, the need for borders and division between nations is temporary and perceptual, as are the fences between neighboring lawns. At some point we must identify as a neighborhood, and at some point we must identify as a planet united.

there is another thread in there, I am sure....=)

Tracy