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I've heard "it's just skin colour" claim many times on this forum and it's really ridiculous and ignorant. So here comes your poll. If you will debate that race doesnt exist (which there is no large scientific consenssus), I'll say different groups of humans in the poll not to effect results. Besides skin colour and other physical differences, like face features, noses, skulls, athletic abilities (blacks being better at some sports) and stuff, there are also differences like who is more prone to a cetain disease/condition or other medical stuff like that. Also there are average iq differences. And probaly many more that I dont know of or havent been researched yet...


Black-White-East Asian IQ differences at least 50 percent genetic, scientists conclude in major law journal.


Summary: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-04/cdri-bai042505.php

Full Report:
http://www.ssc.uwo.ca/psychology/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf

But they say a picture is worth 1000 words. So here are some albino blacks. Their skin is white but they are clearly not "white". Same goes for some east asians who got kinda white skin but they arent "white" neither.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/6383/item187pa.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6510/item218se.jpg

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/200/item284zs.jpg

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/4800/item307ag.jpg

Keep in mind that I'm in no way making fun of these people. I'm just saying they arent white, which of course isnt an insult.
Also keep in mind that I just stated plain facts in this thread, no negative nor positive comments. If you are going to say facts are racist, then go ahead, you will just prove my point...

No.

Also keep in mind that I just stated plain facts in this thread, no negative nor positive comments. If you are going to say facts are racist, then go ahead, you will just prove my point...

So your point is racist?

No, it is made up of various biological traits. Nose shape, tolerance for heat and cold etc. Still no justification for racism of course.

Might I recommend option three? "Dont care/Dont know/Boring/Other."

So your point is racist?

No, just stating facts against a myth in this forum....

Honestly, who cares one way or another? So, there's people with greater and lesser amounts of melanin in their flesh. Is this supposed to be news?

Additional: I'd also say that average differences in IQ are of little concern. If one needs to select a person of a certain IQ, it is far better to find the IQ of that individual person than make assumptions based on race.

There are some other minor physiological differences, such as knee-joint structure, height, disease resistance and such, but otherwise there is very little to support the concept that there are any really big differences.

No, it is made up of various biological traits. Nose shape, tolerance for heat and cold etc. Still no justification for racism of course.

Yeah, but he's making the average IQ claim. In other words, black people are morons, and white people are teh genius.

Ny Nordland isn't just "trying to state facts," he's a racist and he's always been too chickenshit to just admit it.

Race is genetics and that is very easily proven when you look at physical difference between black and white men, or asian and middle eastern women.

there are different charecteristics that define race, but color of the skin is the easiest to define

Race is genetics and that is very easily proven when you look at physical difference between black and white men, or asian and middle eastern women.

there are different charecteristics that define race, but color of the skin is the easiest to define


so if someone has brown skin... what race are they?

so if someone has brown skin... what race are they?

How brown?

Ny Nordland isn't just "trying to state facts," he's a racist and he's always been too chickenshit to just admit it.
Oh, I totally concur. I'm really tired of this latest wave of racists on NS - the ones who'll start a contentious thread by pussy-footing around their racist outlook, then use said thread as a soapbox for the next three weeks...

I wish these 'non-racist'-racists would just call it a day.

Wait a minute. Why the hell would scientists argue Genetic IQ tests in a Law Journal? That makes absolutely no sense...

Oh, and I'm guessing this is another racist thread. Yay! Excuses for racism!

so if someone has brown skin... what race are they?
by the term of race which is most comonly used they will most likely be labeled black, but it is possible for other races to give birth to darker children and the other way around

How brown?

http://www.sillyjokes.co.uk/images/dress-up/makeup/colours/brown-swatch.jpg

Yeah, but he's making the average IQ claim. In other words, black people are morons, and white people are teh genius.

Ny Nordland isn't just "trying to state facts," he's a racist and he's always been too chickenshit to just admit it.

I'm not making any claims myself. I'm quoting what "scientists concluded in major law journal", giving the links to actual study and summary.
Considering, you got forum banned for making incest comments, I dont care what a person of your calibre thinks about me...

I'm not making any claims myself. I'm quoting what "scientists concluded in major law journal", giving the links to actual study and summary.
Considering, you got forum banned for making incest comments, I dont care what a person of your calibre thinks about me...

Try and argue without baiting someone.

Wait a minute. Why the hell would scientists argue Genetic IQ tests in a Law Journal? That makes absolutely no sense...

Oh, and I'm guessing this is another racist thread. Yay! Excuses for racism!

Maybe other journals were too politically correct to admit truth?

Yeah, but he's making the average IQ claim. In other words, black people are morons, and white people are teh genius.

Ny Nordland isn't just "trying to state facts," he's a racist and he's always been too chickenshit to just admit it.

Well, like I said, using racial averages to judge someone's IQ is ridiculous. It's like saying "well people of your race are on average X feet tall, so you must be tall enough for the job".

Anyway, racists pretend not to be racist at the start of their threads, then it gradually becomes more obvious as the thread goes on, until they finally drop all pretense.

so if someone has brown skin... what race are they?
Band Campian.

(starts to make a stupid joke that starts off "This one time, at band camp...", is promptly beat with a pole by SB)

My question is, what about the purple people...what...about...the...purple...people!!!!??????!!!!!!!!

But seriously, people with darker skin are from the lattitudes nearer the equator. The pasty folk are from the far North.

I'm not making any claims myself. I'm quoting what "scientists concluded in major law journal", giving the links to actual study and summary.
Considering, you got forum banned for making incest comments, I dont care what a person of your calibre thinks about me...
I don't think there's even one person on the forums who gives a toss what you think of them, either. Call it an even match.

If you are going to say facts are racist, then go ahead, you will just prove my point...

What is your point? That there are measurable differences between races? Or that races exist? Every racist and anti-racist I know of bases all their arguments upon this assumption.

Maybe other journals were too politically correct to admit truth?
Or maybe a valid scientific journal, after a process of peer review, rejected the study as poorly constructed, or the results as illogically concluded.

Maybe other journals were too politically correct to admit truth?
And maybe you suffer from tunnel-vision. Who can say for sure?

What race is this guy?

http://www.filmhobbit.com/moviereviews/movie-images/news/reporters/brokenlizard.jpg

I'm not making any claims myself. I'm quoting what "scientists concluded in major law journal", giving the links to actual study and summary.

Go ahead and deny it. I'm sure the "facts" speak for themselves better than you could, given your notoriously poor language skills.


Considering, you got forum banned for making incest comments, I dont care what a person of your calibre thinks about me...

Actually, I got forumbanned for flaming. It wasn't the "incest comments" you were whining about.

And frankly, there are very few people who read your posts and do NOT come to the conclusion that you're a racist. But I'm sure you can dismiss all of them as well.

And maybe you suffer from tunnel-vision. Who can say for sure?

Ad-Hominem

Race is an invention. There is little real biological basis for it, and it didn't even come about until the 19th century. Look at the word, "race." it comes from the idea of compition in which the dominate "race" plays down the lesser "race."

Maybe other journals were too politically correct to admit truth?

So they chose a law journal? I think that tells the calibre of the scientists and their tests, really.

Ad-Hominem
*wags finger*

Nuh-uh. I said 'maybe'.You'll have to bait people a while longer for the ad-hominems to really come out.

Go ahead and deny it. I'm sure the "facts" speak for themselves better than you could, given your notoriously poor language skills.



Actually, I got forumbanned for flaming. It wasn't the "incest comments" you were whining about.

And frankly, there are very few people who read your posts and do NOT come to the conclusion that you're a racist. But I'm sure you can dismiss all of them as well.

Why did you write incest comments in quotes? You accused several people of having sex with their siblings and then you suggested to join one of them. You were very graphical in your posts too....

Physically there are differences in appearence, however there is almost no difference in intellegence capacity. Enviroment and education is the biggest factor.

Let me guess, he's going to bring in The Bell Curve and call us brainwashed Marxist lemmings.

Why did you write incest comments in quotes? You accused several people of having sex with their siblings and then you suggested to join one of them. You were very graphical in your posts too....
You're not making many friends 'round here, you do know that, right?

Let me guess, he's going to bring in The Bell Curve and call us brainwashed Marxist lemmings.

I'll take that bet. I figure he'll also add in 'Liberal' and 'So it's okay for everyone but whites to be racist, huh?'

What race is this guy?

http://www.filmhobbit.com/moviereviews/movie-images/news/reporters/brokenlizard.jpg

Mexican!
:D

remember, from the movie?

So they chose a law journal? I think that tells the calibre of the scientists and their tests, really.

Assuming you are 18 or 19 years old by your nick, you arent qualified enough to reach that conclusion, unless you are smarter than Professor Stephen W. Hawking or something.



The paper, "Thirty Years of Research on Race Differences in Cognitive Ability," by J. Philippe Rushton of the University of Western Ontario and Arthur R. Jensen of the University of California at Berkeley, appeared with a positive commentary by Linda Gottfredson of the University of Delaware, three critical ones (by Robert Sternberg of Yale University, Richard Nisbett of the University of Michigan, and Lisa Suzuki & Joshua Aronson of New York University), and the authors' reply.

Why did you write incest comments in quotes? You accused several people of having sex with their siblings and then you suggested to join one of them. You were very graphical in your posts too....

Because, people can make "incest comments" all the time and it's not a problem. Hell, there was a whole thread about how incest isn't wrong. Also, speaking with fucking graphical cockmunching language isn't against the forum rules.

I got a 5 day ban for flaming. So did your racist friend, who, I might add, never bothered to deny his sexual practices.

The sad thing is at least Great Beer and Food had the guts to basically come out and admit to his racism. You have to pussyfoot around because you're intellectually dishonest.

What race is this guy?

http://www.filmhobbit.com/moviereviews/movie-images/news/reporters/brokenlizard.jpg

Bigstachian.

I don't think there's even one person on the forums who gives a toss what you think of them, either. Call it an even match.

Hes not a leftist in a leftist dominated forum.
Dont you think its natural that hes unpopular?

I'll take that bet. I figure he'll also add in 'Liberal' and 'So it's okay for everyone but whites to be racist, huh?'
Don't forget adding a dash of 'ad-hominem attack' protestations when they aren't, actually.

Oops, he's already gone and done that.

Why did you write incest comments in quotes? You accused several people of having sex with their siblings and then you suggested to join one of them. You were very graphical in your posts too....

Ad-Hominem!!!

Hes not a leftist in a leftist dominated forum.
Dont you think its natural that hes unpopular?

Hey, Eut's not left and he's...sorta...popular...ish.

Hes not a leftist in a leftist dominated forum.
Dont you think its natural that hes unpopular?

I think it's because he's a racist, and that makes him automatically unpopular...

Because, people can make "incest comments" all the time and it's not a problem. Hell, there was a whole thread about how incest isn't wrong. Also, speaking with fucking graphical cockmunching language isn't against the forum rules.

I got a 5 day ban for flaming. So did your racist friend, who, I might add, never bothered to deny his sexual practices.

The sad thing is at least Great Beer and Food had the guts to basically come out and admit to his racism. You have to pussyfoot around because you're intellectually dishonest.

Great Beer and Food was incestious????!!!!

Assuming you are 18 or 19 years old by your nick, you arent qualified enough to reach that conclusion, unless you are smarter than Professor Stephen W. Hawking or something.

Have you actually read that and their methods of study?

Educate yourself: http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/journals/pppl/200504/2/235-2.html

Hes not a leftist in a leftist dominated forum.
Dont you think its natural that hes unpopular?
The natural world has precious little to do with any of this.

Hey, Eut's not left and he's...sorta...popular...ish.

Its different and you know it. Hes beliefs arnt popular at all. He, as a poster, is popular only cuz hes got like 39120321809x994839 post count, plus hes lived through modern, middle, and ancient history.

Have you actually read that and their methods of study?

Educate yourself: http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/~mbmiller/journals/pppl/200504/2/235-2.html

Have you? I just read the summary...

Hey, Eut's not left and he's...sorta...popular...ish.
Yeah, no matter how much some of us wish he would.

Have you? I just read the summary...

Yeah, I did, a year or so back. I read that right before I read the bell curve, so by the time I read the bell curve, by brain was fried, mainly with the huge about of BS they attempted to put forth as "unbais study."

I think it's because he's a racist, and that makes him automatically unpopular...

No, I think its because he doesnt conform to the left, like most people here do. And hes also a tradionalist and wants to preserve Norways culture..some what.

plus hes lived through modern, middle, and ancient history.
You forgot to mention the Paleolithic and the Neolithic, I believe.

The natural world has precious little to do with any of this.

Errr....I dont...eh....what?

I just looked at some of the works referenced by that study, and I've got to say that when one work referenced is 'The Weight Of The Negro Brain', it makes me wonder about the validity of the work in the paper...

You forgot to mention the Paleolithic and the Neolithic, I believe.

Should we add Jurrasic (sp)....even though he was probably too young to remember it?

No, I think its because he doesnt conform to the left, like most people here do. And hes also a tradionalist and wants to preserve Norways culture..some what.

Preserve Norway's culture? By being a racist and calling other races genetically dumber than white people? And why should a country remain traditional?

Its different and you know it. Hes beliefs arnt popular at all. He, as a poster, is popular only cuz hes got like 39120321809x994839 post count, plus hes lived through modern, middle, and ancient history.

And Ny Nordland, as a poster, isn't unpopular because of his political beliefs, but because he's xenophobic, bigoted and racist, and just about all of his threads are designed to outline these beliefs.

So quit playing the "oh it's those damned leftists" paranoid persecution card.

Because, people can make "incest comments" all the time and it's not a problem. Hell, there was a whole thread about how incest isn't wrong. Also, speaking with fucking graphical cockmunching language isn't against the forum rules.

I got a 5 day ban for flaming. So did your racist friend, who, I might add, never bothered to deny his sexual practices.

The sad thing is at least Great Beer and Food had the guts to basically come out and admit to his racism. You have to pussyfoot around because you're intellectually dishonest.

I guess the fact that you suggested to HELP the person in question to have sexual intercourse with his sibling means you havent denied your sexual practices neither. Oh he wasnt my friend btw.

I just looked at some of the works referenced by that study, and I've got to say that when one work referenced is 'The Weight Of The Negro Brain', it makes me wonder about the validity of the work in the paper...
...yeah. It's not like anyone else'd really have to think that one through, is it? Pretty much a no-brainer all 'round, I reckon.

Mexican!
:D

remember, from the movie?


heh - yeah that's why I chose him. I was trying to figure out where he might have come from but couldn't until I saw his name. His name is Jay Chandrasekhar, and even then, it could only be a guess at best unless I read his biography.

I guess the fact that you suggested to HELP the person in question to have sexual intercourse with his sibling means you havent denied your sexual practices neither. Oh he wasnt my friend btw.
Bait much?

...yeah. It's not like anyone else'd really have to think that one through, is it? Pretty much a no-brainer all 'round, I reckon.

Oh, I'm sure that 'The Weight Of A Negro Brain' is a completely non-biased and non-racist study based on years of research...

Its different and you know it. Hes beliefs arnt popular at all. He, as a poster, is popular only cuz hes got like 39120321809x994839 post count, plus hes lived through modern, middle, and ancient history.

So, by that logic, when Ny has lots of posts, he'll be popular? Let's wait and see.

I guess the fact that you suggested to HELP the person in question to have sexual intercourse with his sibling means you havent denied your sexual practices neither. Oh he wasnt my friend btw.

Well, of course I won't deny my sexual practices. What's your point?

And he was your 'friend' in the sense that you never disagreed with him and he never disagreed with you, because you both argued for the same (racist) things. I'm a bit disappointed you feel you have to try to dissociate yourself from him now.

Preserve Norway's culture? By being a racist and calling other races genetically dumber than white people? And why should a country remain traditional?

I think its more that he favors a homogenous Norway and not a immgrant country like, America/Australia...ect. He wants things to remain the way they were, which is called traditional..and conservative.

Also, I dont think this thread is about calling other races dumber than White people, it also lists that Asians are SMARTER than white people. I think its more about the fact that hes trying to prove that their are races and there are differences. I dont think hes trying to argue the superiority or inferiority of them.

A country should remain traditional if thats what the people want. It is a democracy and a government designed to portray the peoples wishes.

And Ny Nordland, as a poster, isn't unpopular because of his political beliefs, but because he's xenophobic, bigoted and racist, and just about all of his threads are designed to outline these beliefs.

So quit playing the "oh it's those damned leftists" paranoid persecution card.


xenophobic...can be translated into a wants a homogenous society for Norway. Bigoted is maybe because he feels closer to his own people than foreigners. Racist is maybe because thats how you portrays the first two.

I'm not playing any card, this forum IS dominated by leftists....whether you want to open your eyes and look around or not.

xenophobic...can be translated into a wants a homogenous society for Norway. Bigoted is maybe because he feels closer to his own people than foreigners. Racist is maybe because thats how you portrays the first two.

I'm not playing any card, this forum IS dominated by leftists....whether you want to open your eyes and look around or not.

Look mate, if you don't like this 'Domination by Leftists', whatever a 'Leftist' is, then why not go to a more 'Right-Wing' forum? Either that, or stop complaining as you've no need to.

xenophobic...can be translated into a wants a homogenous society for Norway. Bigoted is maybe because he feels closer to his own people than foreigners. Racist is maybe because thats how you portrays the first two.

Yeah. He's a xenophobic bigoted racist. I'm glad you agree.


I'm not playing any card, this forum IS dominated by leftists....whether you want to open your eyes and look around or not.

You ARE playing the card. You're saying Ny Nordland is "unpopular" only because he's not a "leftist." So what, I must be one of those leftists too, huh?

So, by that logic, when Ny has lots of posts, he'll be popular? Let's wait and see.

Uh, yeah...sure.

*waits days*

*waits months*

*grows first real beard*

*finished growth spurt*

*balls drop (just kidding*

*finished college*

*comes back to computer to see if Ny Norlands popular yet*

Are you seriously suggesting we do this? :D

xenophobic...can be translated into a wants a homogenous society for Norway. Bigoted is maybe because he feels closer to his own people than foreigners. Racist is maybe because thats how you portrays the first two.

I'm not playing any card, this forum IS dominated by leftists....whether you want to open your eyes and look around or not.
Interesting. By your analysis, what the political Left (and many others besides, c'mon don't kid yourself) considers 'racist' is pretty much the exclusive pervue of the political Right. And you're saying what, then?

heh - yeah that's why I chose him. I was trying to figure out where he might have come from but couldn't until I saw his name. His name is Jay Chandrasekhar, and even then, it could only be a guess at best unless I read his biography.

I'm gonna pull this out of my asshole. Indian?

Uh, yeah...sure.

*waits days*

*waits months*

*grows first real beard*

*finished growth spurt*

*balls drop (just kidding*

*finished college*

*comes back to computer to see if Ny Norlands popular yet*

Are you seriously suggesting we do this? :D

Well, we could always do stuff while we wait...Like paddle ball.

1 2 3, darn
1 2 3 4 5 6, darn
1 2, darn
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12, darn
1...****

Look mate, if you don't like this 'Domination by Leftists', whatever a 'Leftist' is, then why not go to a more 'Right-Wing' forum? Either that, or stop complaining as you've no need to.

I'm not complaining for myself. I dont care, I'd rather have people to argue with than a whole bunch of people sitting around nodding their heads at each other in agreement.

I was just showing WHY his beleifs arnt popular here, thats all.

You ARE playing the card. You're saying Ny Nordland is "unpopular" only because he's not a "leftist." So what, I must be one of those leftists too, huh?

Well, no..because I dont think your popular. I might be wrong though.

I'm saying hes unpopular because hes in a leftist forum where mostly everyone opposes his views. THATS ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY!

I have to ask, do you practice incest? I'm not flaming nor am I trying to bait you, I just want to know, thats all.

I'm gonna pull this out of my asshole. Indian?

Yes. From his name, I guess a south Indian, probably a Tamil.

Can you guess which ethnicity is Babu Bhatt, the Pakistani restaurant guy in Seinfield ?

Interesting. By your analysis, what the political Left (and many others besides, c'mon don't kid yourself) considers 'racist' is pretty much the exclusive pervue of the political Right. And you're saying what, then?

Uh, bro, if your asking me if the left thinks the right is racist then....YES! Obviously.

Well, we could always do stuff while we wait...Like paddle ball.

1 2 3, darn
1 2 3 4 5 6, darn
1 2, darn
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12, darn
1...****

Somehow I dont see us doing this for more than, oh say, 5.35 seconds.

Somehow I dont see us doing this for more than, oh say, 5.35 seconds.

Checkers?

Yes. From his name, I guess a south Indian, probably a Tamil.

Can you guess which ethnicity is Babu Bhatt, the Pakistani restaurant guy in Seinfield ?

Paki? I dont know much about the races of that area of the world. Come to think of it I dont even know if Paki is a race/ethnicity. Hell, I dont even know if that guy actually IS Paki!

Uh, bro, if your asking me if the left thinks the right is racist then....YES! Obviously.
No, I'm asking what you're saying. 'cause what you've said could be interpreted to mean that only racists are right-wing.

Paki? I dont know much about the races of that area of the world. Come to think of it I dont even know if Paki is a race/ethnicity. Hell, I dont even know if that guy actually IS Paki!

Israeli Jew. Brian George.:D

Checkers?

How about some Pizza and Sex?

Whats wrong, dont like pizza?;)


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Or we could alway skill the time by trying to guess terrorist cakes name again. lol. :D

No, I'm asking what you're saying. 'cause what you've said could be interpreted to mean that only racists are right-wing.

No. Nazis....neo or whatever are left wing...socialist and all.

Israeli Jew. Brian George.:D

mwahahah...atleast I left room for error by saying that I didnt know if that guy actually was Paki.

Anyway, care to show a picture of him...I havnt watched the show in ages. I want to see if hes Ashkenazi or Sephardic.

How about some Pizza and Sex?

Whats wrong, dont like pizza?;)


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Or we could alway skill the time by trying to guess terrorist cakes name again. lol. :D

:p I figured it out I tell you! You'd have to guess my first name, assuming you didn't just find somewhere I posted it.

Well, no..because I dont think your popular. I might be wrong though.


I'm pretty popular. Even the "leftists" like me. And yet I've often argued for free market capitalism, against gun control, and for the death penalty. According to you, this is all impossible.


I'm saying hes unpopular because hes in a leftist forum where mostly everyone opposes his views. THATS ALL I'M TRYING TO SAY!


I KNOW THATS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY. And you're wrong. His "views" are racist, bigoted nonsense. That is why mostly everyone opposes them. You're trying to give an excuse by saying this is only a matter of political persecution against his conservatism.


I have to ask, do you practice incest? I'm not flaming nor am I trying to bait you, I just want to know, thats all.

No, I don't practice incest.

Yes. From his name, I guess a south Indian, probably a Tamil.

Can you guess which ethnicity is Babu Bhatt, the Pakistani restaurant guy in Seinfield ?


Jayant Jambulingam Chandrasekhar (born April 9, 1968 in Chicago, Illinois)

Wrong!!!! He's Illinioan ;)

He is of South Indian Tamil heritage actually

No. Nazis....neo or whatever are left wing...socialist and all.
Only in the utterly skewed political atmosphere of the United States could that misapprehension be arrived at. I find it simply amazing that you people are brought up believing that garbage.

What race is this guy?

http://www.filmhobbit.com/moviereviews/movie-images/news/reporters/brokenlizard.jpg

Looks like upper-class Asian Indians (as in not American Indian), though he may be a white guy with a dark tan. Though really, it is impossible to tell. Michael jackson was born a poor black boy, and now he is a rich white woman. ;)

Nordland just states facts, he wasn't claiming that ALL black people are dumb and all white people Smart, au contraire, IN FACT, I don't rememer him saying anything about the scores, just that they are generally different.

Jayant Jambulingam Chandrasekhar (born April 9, 1968 in Chicago, Illinois)

Wrong!!!! He's Illinioan ;)

He is of South Indian Tamil heritage actually

Curse you Illinois!

:p I figured it out I tell you! You'd have to guess my first name, assuming you didn't just find somewhere I posted it.

Dina, I am the government. I already know your past, present and your future.

You're an idiot, of course it doesn't just determine skin color. There are loads of other things like hair colour, hair texture/shape, nose shape.


But eww, those pictures were ugly. Just look at all those blemishes. Give them back the original skin colour, it looks so much better. Hmmm, are their any pictures that have people with white skin that was photoshopped to look black. Personally I think I might look alright with brown skin.

ahaha. I just realised why they don't look natural. You said they were albino, which means they don't have any skin pigmentation at all. I think only albinos have absolutely no skin pigmentation. Even white people in northern countries in winter still have some pigmentation. I have a friend how has a patch of skin on his face that can't make melanin. It's beginning to look a little odd now that summer is just around the corner. The patch of skin starts around his mouth then travels slowly down across his cheek. It likes like he had messy breakfast or something.

As for the whole IQ thing. Environmental factors, like diet, outweigh any possible genetic factors by far. IQ levels in Europe and the US have been decling as diets have got worse, whilst IQs in Asia have been rising as diets have got better.

Don't make me go check your source and point out all the dubious sources in it and critical reviews and such forth. I bet it links back to this Professor at the University of Ulster. Richard somebody or other his name was. He's a quack.

edit: Richard Lynn, that's his name.

I'm pretty popular. Even the "leftists" like me. And yet I've often argued for free market capitalism, against gun control, and for the death penalty. According to you, this is all impossible.



I KNOW THATS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY. And you're wrong. His "views" are racist, bigoted nonsense. That is why mostly everyone opposes them. You're trying to give an excuse by saying this is only a matter of political persecution against his conservatism.

Yeah, but all thats economic conservatism...except death penalty but thats still a pretty evenly split matter. I was talking about social conservatives.

Eh, were gonna disagree on your second paragraph.

Only in the utterly skewed political atmosphere of the United States could that misapprehension be arrived at. I find it simply amazing that you people are brought up believing that garbage.

Actually, its quite simple. Socialists are left wing. No matter if their nationalist/internationalist/dont care...ect.

Looks like upper-class Asian Indians (as in not American Indian), though he may be a white guy with a dark tan. Though really, it is impossible to tell. Michael jackson was born a poor black boy, and now he is a rich white woman. ;)

Nordland just states facts, he wasn't claiming that ALL black people are dumb and all white people Smart, au contraire, IN FACT, I don't rememer him saying anything about the scores, just that they are generally different.

You have to understand these people. They are somewhat like modern villagers with torch. They yell anything outside their tunnel vision racist, bigoted etc... instead of calling witch!
Reading what I write would be asking too much from these people.

Actually, its quite simple. Socialists are left wing. No matter if their nationalist/internationalist/dont care...ect.
You people need to get over the fact that Hitler purloined the word 'socialist' one of these decades... unless you think the Jains were as fucked up as the Nazis who purloined their symbol, as well.

I agree, though. Actually it is quite simple. America unofficially soft-pedals racism, but foists blame on the political left. Clever, assuming you've been relentlessly promulgating a skewed political stage amongst your own citizenry over successive generations. Keep that sort of thing up long enough, and you can eventually successfully argue night is day and up is down - provided you've stacked the deck in your favour, no matter how it flies in the face of known fact.

Dina, I am the government. I already know your past, present and your future.

Lies. All lies...

Yeah, but all thats economic conservatism...except death penalty but thats still a pretty evenly split matter. I was talking about social conservatives.

Are you saying that all social conservatives would agree with Ny Nordland's concerns over genetic purity?

And I'm not exactly supportive of free health care, taxation or welfare either. But I think you'd paint me as a leftist rather than admit that Ny Nordland's views aren't a partisan matter.

Atlantian Islands,

What "race" is this footballer ?

http://203.200.89.68/images/glitterati_bhutia_20030825.jpg

http://www.indianfootball.com/bhutia/pics/p08/baichung.jpg

You people need to get over the fact that Hitler purloined the word 'socialist' one of these decades... unless you think the Jains were as fucked up as the Nazis who purloined their symbol, as well.

I dont understand what the problem is. Nazi Socialist are socialist. Unless your trying to argue that socialist isnt left wing...I'm missing something.

No. Nazis....neo or whatever are left wing...socialist and all.

Wow, was the Sarcasm button on?
Anyway , I doubt he was trying to be racist, just trying to stimulate debate... And as to the thing about xenophobia, I think wouldn't think trying to preserve your cultures history is a bad thing... Unless you want to call the entire government of japan racist ( I dunno if this was true, but I read somewhere that the japanese don't let non japanese marry the japanese, out of trying to keep the culture alive.. ) Howver, if you want to keep your tradition alive, then I think you have every right to try, although I do think you're a little late, because in america, all the whites seem to want blacks because they want to be cool or something like that, although I don't think liking a people for a subculture (The rap one) makes them gangster, and if they were, then they apparently all want to kill each other then, which I honestly think that if thats what they think is cool, then they deserve to die. Stupidity should be a crime, that's why in NS I'm making people get a parenting license, so the stupid ones die off, like in nature.

Atlantian Islands,

What "race" is this footballer ?



Why do you keep asking him what race this or that is?

Jayant Jambulingam Chandrasekhar (born April 9, 1968 in Chicago, Illinois)

Wrong!!!! He's Illinioan ;)

He is of South Indian Tamil heritage actually

I DEMAND a cookie.:mad:

:D

Are you saying that all social conservatives would agree with Ny Nordland's concerns over genetic purity?

And I'm not exactly supportive of free health care, taxation or welfare either. But I think you'd paint me as a leftist rather than admit that Ny Nordland's views aren't a partisan matter.

Not all of anybody would agree with anything. What I AM saying is, hed certinaly get alot more agreement out of a conservative crowd than out a liberal crowd.

You have to understand these people. They are somewhat like modern villagers with torch. They yell anything outside their tunnel vision racist, bigoted etc... instead of calling witch!
Reading what I write would be asking too much from these people.

I've read most of your ignorant trashy posts, and I have to say you're more like the villager with the torch. You want to throw out anyone who is non-white from your country. That's pretty damned villager-esque right there.

Why do you keep asking him what race this or that is?

If you haven't guessed already, it is to make fun of your silly notions of race.

Not all of anybody would agree with anything. What I AM saying is, hed certinaly get alot more agreement out of a conservative crowd than out a liberal crowd.

...he'd also get a lot more agreement on Stormfront's forums too.

I dont understand what the problem is. Nazi Socialist are socialist. Unless your trying to argue that socialist isnt left wing...I'm missing something.
Now who's baiting? Hmmm?

You'll need to try a lot harder than that, Mr. button-down conservative.

No.

Yep, as I thought. The author of this article 'J. Philippe Rushton', who had to get his article published in a law journal as opposed to a medical journal, is a bed fellow with Richard Lynn. They co-authored IQ and the Wealth of Nations. I believe this guy is probably a quack as well.

...okay... I read some of the journal. Go do some fucking research on the bias of IQ tests and on the history of a region before you go comparing stats to meet your own ends.

I'm very tempted to quote Mark Twain here, but I'm sure you all know the quote I'm on about, so I'll leave it unsaid.

Atlantian Islands,

What "race" is this footballer ?

http://203.200.89.68/images/glitterati_bhutia_20030825.jpg

http://www.indianfootball.com/bhutia/pics/p08/baichung.jpg

I dunno, alot of me wants to say asian...but there something Germanic about his facial structure. Hes obviously a mix...so hold on. I dunno, suprise me!?

Ummmm, Nazis = Far right, they are way different than socialists, just look up socialism on wikipedia. He just put the word in there, it's like the peoples republic of china, he can say one thing, but it doesn't mean it.

I'm very tempted to quote Mark Twain here, but I'm sure you all know the quote I'm on about, so I'll leave it unsaid.

Say it, say it, say it!

Yep, as I thought. The author of this article 'J. Philippe Rushton', who had to get his article published in a law journal as opposed to a medical journal, is a bed fellow with Richard Lynn.

Yeah, but now Ny Nordland will say that just because he's racist doesn't make him wrong.

Ummmm, Nazis = Far right, they are way different than socialists, just look up socialism on wikipedia. He just put the word in there, it's like the peoples republic of china, he can say one thing, but it doesn't mean it.

How are Nazis far right. They are authoritarian...yes, but so have been the Communist countries. They are not, free open market societies.

Now who's baiting? Hmmm?

You'll need to try a lot harder than that, Mr. button-down conservative.

:D I'm actually wearing basketball shorts and a T-shirt, but I like that. Button down conservative.

...he'd also get a lot more agreement on Stormfront's forums too.

Lol, he might.

How are Nazis far right. They are authoritarian...yes, but so have been the Communist countries. They are not, free open market societies.

For fucks sake, man. You're saying nazis are leftists. BUT NAZIS WOULD AGREE with Ny Nordlands views! You yourself are arguing against your own point you were just trying to make!

You're an idiot, of course it doesn't just determine skin color. There are loads of other things like hair colour, hair texture/shape, nose shape.

Many people here say "it's just skin colour." So arguing against that isnt idiotic, but the claims are themselves idiotic. Of course, I will not lower myself to your level by calling you a name for missing this point.



But eww, those pictures were ugly. Just look at all those blemishes. Give them back the original skin colour, it looks so much better. Hmmm, are their any pictures that have people with white skin that was photoshopped to look black. Personally I think I might look alright with brown skin.

ahaha. I just realised why they don't look natural. You said they were albino, which means they don't have any skin pigmentation at all. I think only albinos have absolutely no skin pigmentation. Even white people in northern countries in winter still have some pigmentation. I have a friend how has a patch of skin on his face that can't make melanin. It's beginning to look a little odd now that summer is just around the corner. The patch of skin starts around his mouth then travels slowly down across his cheek. It likes like he had messy breakfast or something.


As for the whole IQ thing. Environmental factors, like diet, outweigh any possible genetic factors by far. IQ levels in Europe and the US have been decling as diets have got worse, whilst IQs in Asia have been rising as diets have got better.

Don't make me go check your source and point out all the dubious sources in it and critical reviews and such forth. I bet it links back to this Professor at the University of Ulster. Richard somebody or other his name was. He's a quack.

edit: Richard Lynn, that's his name.

:D Maybe you'll get the bolded areas published :rolleyes:

Edit...You are free to check resources, which isnt related with Richard Lynn, I'm not interested at making you do anything.

I DEMAND a cookie.:mad:

:D


You get a whole plate for such a great guess!

http://www.auntmindys.com/auntmindys_images/NELSON%20-%20cookie%20-%20plate%201.jpg

I'm sure there are differences in race beyond skin color, but I don't think they're that important. At my high school, most of the fastest runners were black, and it was "common knowledge" that blacks were faster. But I raced against several blacks and won.

As far as IQ goes, I've known black idiots, white idiots, and Hispanic idiots. I've also known smart people of all 3 races. I don't know any dumb Asians, but I don't really know as many Asians to begin with, and since I met the few I do know in college or at work, it's likely they'd be reasonably smart anyway.

I like to think in terms of individuals, not races.

For fucks sake, man. You're saying nazis are leftists. BUT NAZIS WOULD AGREE with Ny Nordlands views! You yourself are arguing against your own point you were just trying to make!

No. they are...socially conservative but economically left wing.

Its more complicated than the whole two way thing.

No. they are...socially conservative but economically left wing.

Its more complicated than the whole two way thing.

If that's the case you shouldn't be making generalized comments about "leftists" and "liberals" in the first place.

Oh, I totally concur. I'm really tired of this latest wave of racists on NS - the ones who'll start a contentious thread by pussy-footing around their racist outlook, then use said thread as a soapbox for the next three weeks...

I wish these 'non-racist'-racists would just call it a day.
so what does that make you? youre racist against racists (racistist?). hypocrite

I've read most of your ignorant trashy posts, and I have to say you're more like the villager with the torch. You want to throw out anyone who is non-white from your country. That's pretty damned villager-esque right there.

Well, you certainly have the mouth of a villager with torch with your incest comments.
And like a villiger with torch, you assume silly things (in bolded areas). Like they were assuming some scientist were doing evil witchcraft....

If that's the case you shouldn't be making generalized comments about "leftists" and "liberals" in the first place.

Eh, I generalize all the time...the difference is, I dont call other people outt when they do it, cuz I dont care. You on the other hand, do. You say because he is a tradionalist hes automatically a racist...ect.

If you haven't guessed already, it is to make fun of your silly notions of race.

Then I should say you failed....

It's obvious that there is a lot more to race then just skin colour. My stupid bio teacher claims that racism is only skin deep, but that's only the start. There are many, many other physical differences before you even get to the cultural differences and all the other stuff. Those "crazy" nazi eugenics tests like measuring the skull and nose size etc are actually based on something, despite what the majority of people think.

Well, you certainly have the mouth of a villager with torch with your incest comments.
And like a villiger with torch, you assume silly things (in bolded areas). Like they were assuming some scientist were doing evil witchcraft....

Oh, now you deny it? Now you don't want to deport people for not being "Nordic" enough? Now you don't want your homogenous society?

Interesting. In America that's called a flip-flop.

And you really need to get over the "incest comments." I can only guess that pisses you off so much because it struck a nerve. Truth hurts eh?

Many people here say "it's just skin colour." So arguing against that isnt idiotic, but the claims are themselves idiotic. Of course, I will not lower myself to your level by calling you a name for missing this point.




:D Maybe you'll get the bolded areas published :rolleyes:

Edit...You are free to check resources, which isnt related with Richard Lynn, I'm not interested at making you do anything.Hey, you gotta hand it to me I was easily able to link to Richard Lynn. He and the author of this article have written several books together, most notably IQ and the Wealth of Nations. It goes through all their ideas, and everything else just seems to be bullshit statistics to back up their ideas. There is nothing scientific about their procedure. They would measure the IQ of a nation from a single IQ study. And there were many countries where they couldn't find IQ studies for that nation so they just averaged the IQ of the surrounding countries. Talk about using a methology that would help to back up your conclusions. I repeat, these guys are quacks.

Here's a little article that relates IQ to diet. It lists some chemicals that are known to have an effect on IQ. These two chemicals could be responisble for up to 45% of IQ variation alone. These chemicals are found in food. Ergo, diet is very strongly linked to IQ. I rest my case.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/388548.stm

Well, you certainly have the mouth of a villager with torch with your incest comments.
And like a villiger with torch, you assume silly things (in bolded areas). Like they were assuming some scientist were doing evil witchcraft....

You're not helping your already depleted case with these constant ad hominem attacks, you know.

Yep, as I thought. The author of this article 'J. Philippe Rushton', who had to get his article published in a law journal as opposed to a medical journal, is a bed fellow with Richard Lynn. They co-authored IQ and the Wealth of Nations. I believe this guy is probably a quack as well.

...okay... I read some of the journal. Go do some fucking research on the bias of IQ tests and on the history of a region before you go comparing stats to meet your own ends.

I'm very tempted to quote Mark Twain here, but I'm sure you all know the quote I'm on about, so I'll leave it unsaid.

:rolleyes:


The paper, "Thirty Years of Research on Race Differences in Cognitive Ability," by J. Philippe Rushton of the University of Western Ontario and Arthur R. Jensen of the University of California at Berkeley, appeared with a positive commentary by Linda Gottfredson of the University of Delaware, three critical ones (by Robert Sternberg of Yale University, Richard Nisbett of the University of Michigan, and Lisa Suzuki & Joshua Aronson of New York University), and the authors' reply.

Eh, I generalize all the time...the difference is, I dont call other people outt when they do it, cuz I dont care. You on the other hand, do. You say because he is a tradionalist hes automatically a racist...ect.

No, you're just euphemistically calling a racist a "traditionalist." Anyone can do that. Hitler was a 'traditionalist.' He just wanted a traditional, German Germany. It's intellectually dishonest. And so are you.

I dunno, alot of me wants to say asian...but there something Germanic about his facial structure. Hes obviously a mix...so hold on. I dunno, suprise me!?

He's Indian. Name is Baichung Bhutia. His parents were Indian (meaning the same region, since some would argue that there was no nation-state called India at that time), so were his grandparents.

Who are the people who think skin colour is the only difference between races? That is just retarded.

I don't believe race should decide anything, but yes, race does exist, as different races physically react differently to diseases.

You get a whole plate for such a great guess!

http://www.auntmindys.com/auntmindys_images/NELSON%20-%20cookie%20-%20plate%201.jpg

Not that great a guess, because I AM a south Indian Tamil myself. ;) But I gotta admit that I myself thought that he was hispanic while watching the movie and saw the credits and then it clicked...

*munching* Mucho gracias for the cookies anyway :fluffle:

Then I should say you failed....

Oh no brother, I am having loads of fun in this thread. :cool:

There are cultural differences between races, besides the not-so-important color difference. Though different cultures may not go along and those differences may cause conflicts, different races must live together, showing equal respect to each other.

I hereby doom all those who make stereotypes of races and treat them accordingly.

And, I wish, we, the human race, could be humanist enough to end such debates...

Oh, now you deny it? Now you don't want to deport people for not being "Nordic" enough? Now you don't want your homogenous society?

Interesting. In America that's called a flip-flop.

And you really need to get over the "incest comments." I can only guess that pisses you off so much because it struck a nerve. Truth hurts eh?

Here, you'd be called delusional for imagining things I've never said. I've never said we should deport ALL of them.
Homogenous society doesnt mean 100% in practice, it could be 98% or 99% (Japan's case).
Incest comments, like you said, pisses me off, because I find it sick...

There are cultural differences between races, besides the not-so-important color difference. Though different cultures may not go along and those differences may cause conflicts, different races must live together, showing equal respect to each other.

I don't see why everyone is so in favour of this whole international race. At this rate we will all be exactly the same in a few hundred years. I much prefered going to countries and meeting people from that country there. In this day and age I can find people from every country in the world except for the country i'm in (i am obviously overestimating this just to make a point). Sure people can move around and live in other countries, they must conform to everything about that country however.

No, you're just euphemistically calling a racist a "traditionalist." Anyone can do that. Hitler was a 'traditionalist.' He just wanted a traditional, German Germany. It's intellectually dishonest. And so are you.

Hitler was a radical in his spectrum of politics. He was mentally ill. We dont say Stalin this Stalin that when we are arguing about socialism.

Here, you'd be called delusional for imagining things I've never said. I've never said we should deport ALL of them.
Homogenous society doesnt mean 100% in practice, it could be 98% or 99% (Japan's case).
Incest comments, like you said, pisses me off, because I find it sick...

Are you going to stop the ad hominem attacks and actually defend the findings of the article? And I don't mean using a single smiley and posting a snippet that states what is in the report.

I mean defending the diet-based IQ findings and the questionably biased material used in the original article.

Here, you'd be called delusional for imagining things I've never said. I've never said we should deport ALL of them.
Homogenous society doesnt mean 100% in practice, it could be 98% or 99% (Japan's case).
Incest comments, like you said, pisses me off, because I find it sick...

Ha! Ok, so you don't want to deport ALL non-whites. Just MOST of them.

That doesn't change a thing. You're a racist. Congratulations! I find racism just as disgusting as incest.

Thing is, if you really want to preserve your genetic purity, incestual procreation is the logical step. Otherwise you might taint your children with non-white genes. So basically, racism IS incest. ;)

Not that great a guess, because I AM a south Indian Tamil myself. ;) But I gotta admit that I myself thought that he was hispanic while watching the movie and saw the credits and then it clicked...

*munching* Mucho gracias for the cookies anyway :fluffle:

Oh it wans't great? Takes back one of the cookies :p

Yeah I originally thought hispanic too.

So whats the difference between ethnicity and race anyway? Maybe we shoudl refer to people as being different breeds :cool:

He's Indian. Name is Baichung Bhutia. His parents were Indian (meaning the same region, since some would argue that there was no nation-state called India at that time), so were his grandparents.

So? Indians are mixed and he was correct...Make a point if you have...:rolleyes:

Also, I believe that people's color has nothing to do with their IQ's. You are not a white because you are soooooo clever that your ablosutely genious mind has chosen to be one. Or, an african, etc. any black person isn't black because his little brain has shrinked in the sun. They are equally clever, and white people are equally dumb.

Come on, is it objective to make an IQ test on people according to their colors, or ethnical roots? What kind of classing are those people subject to, that you arrange them according to their colors?

Globalization removes the boundaries between the cultures too, but at what cost? It removes the Eastern or Third World's cultures. Globalization is the globalization of the West...

I don't see why everyone is so in favour of this whole international race. At this rate we will all be exactly the same in a few hundred years. I much prefered going to countries and meeting people from that country there. In this day and age I can find people from every country in the world except for the country i'm in (i am obviously overestimating this just to make a point). Sure people can move around and live in other countries, they must conform to everything about that country however.

Are you from the Netherlands?

So? Indians are mixed and he was correct...Make a point if you have...:rolleyes:


Actually it's kind of a fun game to try to guess which ethnic background someone is from, when you can't tell from the skin color or shape of the eyes, nose, or whatever.

Are you from the Netherlands?

My family is Dutch, but I was born in Germany, and was raised my whole life in New Zealand. Just to make things more confusing, I now live in Geneva, Switzerland.

My family is Dutch, but I was born in Germany, and was raised my whole life in New Zealand. Just to make things more confusing, I now live in Geneva, Switzerland.

Earth is my home planet too! What a coincidence!

Ha! Ok, so you don't want to deport ALL non-whites. Just MOST of them.

That doesn't change a thing. You're a racist. Congratulations! I find racism just as disgusting as incest.

Thing is, if you really want to preserve your genetic purity, incestual procreation is the logical step. Otherwise you might taint your children with non-white genes. So basically, racism IS incest. ;)

Remember it is only racism to some, to others it is Nationalism. It depends on your interpretation.

I would consider myself primarily a nationalist. Most people these days consider that racism though. It should be noted that pre 1960s, the word racism hardly existed.

Ha! Ok, so you don't want to deport ALL non-whites. Just MOST of them.

That doesn't change a thing. You're a racist. Congratulations! I find racism just as disgusting as incest.

Thing is, if you really want to preserve your genetic purity, incestual procreation is the logical step. Otherwise you might taint your children with non-white genes. So basically, racism IS incest. ;)


Deportation wouldnt be neccessary for most European countries, just restricting further immigration would be enough. Again you are assuming...
Considering your closeness with incest, it might be a logical step for you. Actually the fact that you associate these things show your line of thinking, which makes me hope that you havent got any siblings or children. But I dont agree that "preserve your genetic purity" as you put it requires/encourages incest.

I don't think there's even one person on the forums who gives a toss what you think of them, either. Call it an even match.
Too bad, I like him. There goes your theory.

So they chose a law journal? I think that tells the calibre of the scientists and their tests, really.
Then you know nothing of law journals. I study law. The amount of work put into them is extremely detailed and sophisticated. They are not just random pieces of work. They are serious studies.

so what does that make you? youre racist against racists (racistist?). hypocrite
It makes me a lapsed Unitarian, actually. I long ago made up my mind that I simply cannot tolerate intolerance. I sleep well enough. Can a Nazi symp make that same claim? I think not.

Actually it's kind of a fun game to try to guess which ethnic background someone is from, when you can't tell from the skin color or shape of the eyes, nose, or whatever.


Guess her race...

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/2194/intropage4ns.jpg

Deportation wouldnt be neccessary for most European countries, just restricting further immigration would be enough. Again you are assuming...
Considering your closeness with incest, it might be a logical step for you. Actually the fact that you associate these things show your line of thinking, which makes me hope that you havent got any siblings or children. But I dont agree that "preserve your genetic purity" as you put it requires/encourages incest.

So...just continued ad hominem attacks and no actual defence of the article you used in the OP? Did you just create the thread to flame, perchance?

Too bad, I like him. There goes your theory.
And another of the latest crop is heard from. Don't you have a Bundt meeting to attend?

Who says there's no scientific consensus that race doesn't exist? I have a masters degree in biology, and everything I've read says race simply does not exist, especially when you look at DNA sequences. Humans are one of the most inbred species on the planet: You need only go back 16 generations to find a common ancestor for ANY two people on earth. If you live in a multicultural society like Great Britain or the USA, the degree of separation is even less.

Are there racists here? Hit them in the head, bury them deep in a hellhole, let them rot, let them rot... Then open the hole, see the remains, see if there is any difference. Maybe they are right... Maybe not...

Then you know nothing of law journals. I study law. The amount of work put into them is extremely detailed and sophisticated. They are not just random pieces of work. They are serious studies.

Yet they published a study of Race-based IQs in a law journal? Why not a scientific journal, where their peers would actually be able to see the study and comment on it? At no point did I comment on law journals themselves.

Guess her race...

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/2194/intropage4ns.jpg


Human race?

Tell me her IQ score and how good she is at basketball and I will tell you her ethnicity.


I'll guess that she is Swedish-Italian

Deportation wouldnt be neccessary for most European countries, just restricting further immigration would be enough. Again you are assuming...

You're just making my point here.

Whether you want to eliminate those pesky non-whites by immigration, deportation or mass-execution, it's all racism. You're a racist, and you should just come out and say it rather than pussyfooting around just to be politically correct. Grow a pair.


Considering your closeness with incest, it might be a logical step for you. Actually the fact that you associate these things show your line of thinking, which makes me hope that you havent got any siblings or children. But I dont agree that "preserve your genetic purity" as you put it requires/encourages incest.

Why should it bother you if I have siblings? You see, unlike you, I'm not a racist, so incest isn't something I need to do in order to "preserve my race" or some stupid bullshit like that.

It makes me a lapsed Unitarian, actually. I long ago made up my mind that I simply cannot tolerate intolerance. I sleep well enough. Can a Nazi symp make that same claim? I think not.

Who's a nazi symp?

So? Indians are mixed and he was correct...Make a point if you have...:rolleyes:

No, genius. He said mix of german and asian while he is neither.

lol @ "Indians are mixed"

Something tells me that you believe in "Aryan" race (the massah race:rolleyes: )who "invaded/migrated" India and as a result you think that all Indians are "mixed" (as in not "pure")....don't you?

Hit them in the head, bury them deep in a hellhole, let them rot, let them rot... Then open the hole, see the remains, see if there is any difference.
Works for me.

Who's a nazi symp?
I'm speaking hypothetically, of course. It takes two to tango, after all...

Try again, not-so-clever trous.

So...just continued ad hominem attacks and no actual defence of the article you used in the OP? Did you just create the thread to flame, perchance?

You havent presented a credible opposition to the article....What do you want me to answer? And what will you do if I find your answer in the article, showing you havent read it?

Yet they published a study of Race-based IQs in a law journal? Why not a scientific journal, where their peers would actually be able to see the study and comment on it? At no point did I comment on law journals themselves.
You seemed to undermine their quality. Either way, law journals are expansive, and often cover issues that are not released in scientific journals. Perhaps in some ways they are willing to investigate what others are not.

You havent presented a credible opposition to the article....What do you want me to answer? And what will you do if I find your answer in the article, showing you havent read it?

A credible opposition to the article has been posted, namely that IQ is often based upon dietary concerns. Could you please defend your article based on that assumption?

Should you find the answer in the original article, I will be more than happy to debate the point. However, considering the rather biased footnotes and sources used in the report, I'll be taking it with a large pinch of salt.

Human race?

Tell me her IQ score and how good she is at basketball and I will tell you her ethnicity.


I'll guess that she is Swedish-Italian

Humanity isnt a race. It's a species. I guess you watch too many sci-fi...

And another of the latest crop is heard from. Don't you have a Bundt meeting to attend?
Do I? Seems I've forgotten. Not really on my agenda this week...no...just a KKK meeting.

...

:rolleyes:

You're just making my point here.

Whether you want to eliminate those pesky non-whites by immigration, deportation or mass-execution, it's all racism. You're a racist, and you should just come out and say it rather than pussyfooting around just to be politically correct. Grow a pair.



Why should it bother you if I have siblings? You see, unlike you, I'm not a racist, so incest isn't something I need to do in order to "preserve my race" or some stupid bullshit like that.

Are you implying I support mass murders???????

And I fear for the mental health of your siblings, if you got some, after your graphical comments about how you will help a certain person to commit incest...

I couldn't care if the woman depicted was a mermaid. She's got less melanin than some, and more melanin than others. That sums it up as far as I'm concerned.

:rolleyes:Google Lisa Suzuki & Joshua Aronson Richard Lynn. See what comes up. In case you don't reconise the acronym, here's a link - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

All the authors you cited are bed fellows. If Richard Cheney told you George Bush was the best American President ever, would you seriously trust him? There's a little thing called bias.

And if you look who publishes this guys works (Charles Darwin Research Institute), you'll find that it's dedicated to finding any racial difference in human traits.

The whole thing is a sham. It's just one huge clique of pseudo-scientists who all claim the same thing and praise each other for their quack research.

Have you even read that article. He claims sub-saharan Blacks have an average IQ of 70. What the fuck? You even going to care to give us some explanation for this? 70 is as low as most tests go. Would he also care to tell us why Black americans have their IQ jump 15 points to 85 when there ethnic origins are Africa, with a mere 300 years since the original split. Is he seriously trying to suggest that these peoples DNA has changed so much to produce such a radical difference in about 300 years?

Quack research that just compares numbers without any thought what so ever as to the validity and quality of the data.

Though I don't expect you to understand what I am talking about, what with you producing such a slanted poll as you have. You give two extreme viewpoints with no reasonable third choice inbetween the two extremes.

Humanity isnt a race. It's a species. I guess you watch too many sci-fi...

So you mean breeds then?

yes I love the Sci Fi but I don't believe sci-fi coined the term "human race" or did they?

No, genius. He said mix of german and asian while he is neither.

lol @ "Indians are mixed"

Something tells me that you believe in "Aryan" race (the massah race:rolleyes: )who "invaded/migrated" India and as a result you think that all Indians are "mixed" (as in not "pure")....don't you?

Indians arent asians? What are they? Antarticans?

I assumed indians are mixed somehow because there are KINDA light skinned indians ALMOST as light as SOME south europeans. Then there are those that are really black....

Are you implying I support mass murders???????


I'm "implying" that you're a racist, no different in quality from the likes of mass murderers. You may advocate different "means" but you still want the same "ends" for the same "reasons."


And I fear for the mental health of your siblings, if you got some, after your graphical comments about how you will help a certain person to commit incest...

Helping someone else commit incest is different from oneself committing incest. For example, if I were to hypothetically force you to have intercourse with your mother, I myself would not be committing incest, and my own siblings would have nothing to fear from my behaviour.

Google Lisa Suzuki & Joshua Aronson Richard Lynn. See what comes up. In case you don't reconise the acronym, here's a link - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

All the authors you cited are bed fellows. If Richard Cheney told you George Bush was the best American President ever, would you seriously trust him? There's a little thing called bias.

And if you look who publishes this guys works (Charles Darwin Research Institute), you'll find that it's dedicated to finding any racial difference in human traits.

The whole thing is a sham. It's just one huge clique of pseudo-scientists who all claim the same thing and praise each other for their quack research.

Have you even read that article. He claims sub-saharan Blacks have an average IQ of 70. What the fuck? You even going to care to give us some explanation for this? 70 is as low as most tests go. Would he also care to tell us why Black americans have their IQ jump 15 points to 85 when there ethnic origins are Africa, with a mere 300 years since the original split. Is he seriously trying to suggest that these peoples DNA has changed so much to produce such a radical difference in about 300 years?

Quack research that just compares numbers without any thought what so ever as to the validity and quality of the data.

Though I don't expect you to understand what I am talking about, what with you producing such a slanted poll as you have. You give two extreme viewpoints with no reasonable third choice inbetween the two extremes.

Hey, look, a reasoned academic argument! Two-to-one odds it gets ignored!

Works for me.

So you are saying, you might commit a murder?
God! I guess I shouldnt argue with you 2 anymore. One is ok with incest, the other ok with murder....

So whats the difference between ethnicity and race anyway?

ethnicity has a slightly more real existence, both culturally and biologically.

So whats the difference between ethnicity and race anyway?

Depends on what a persons interpretation of ethnicity and race is. I personally use ethnicity than race because ethnicity is more easily definable and does not have any negative connotation as the word "race" evokes.

For ex, I am not sure what race I am. I have brown colored skin (so there goes white, black and yellow), I have straight hair, thin lips (there goes negroid), full round eyes (there goes mongoloid). My parents, their parents etc where all from the same region (Kongu region in Tamil Nadu, south India, that's where my caste Kongu vellalar comes from), so I am "pure" but of what race, I am not sure. Since the Aryan invasion theory has been proved to be a load of BS, I am left with the conclusion that race is a very hazy concept as far as Indians are concerned.

I would much rather go with ethnicity. Even there there are confusions. All tamils don't look alike - there are very varying degrees of physical appearance amongst Tamils and even within the different Tamil communities.

So, I decided that talking about ethnicity/race etc is just a stepping stone to racism and prejudice and it is lot more fun to make fun of people talking about it. :)

So you are saying, you might commit a murder?
God! I guess I shouldnt argue with you 2 anymore. One is ok with incest, the other ok with murder....
Nah, I didn't say murder 'em. I merely concurred with Fnorx, here who said:

Hit them in the head, bury them deep in a hellhole, let them rot, let them rot... Then open the hole, see the remains, see if there is any difference.
Nowhere in there does it explicitly state that the racists die. It does say 'rot', but I took this to mean the setting-in of gangriene or some other putrefying condition, which, as I said:
Works for me.

ethnicity has a slightly more real existence, both culturally and biologically.
So each ethnicity in a way is a race? Semantics I suppose.

Hey, look, a reasoned academic argument! Two-to-one odds it gets ignored!Thanks. I'm kinda hoping it gets ignored. This 'debate' is making me quite mad. If it was replied to I might start trolling in my frustration.

The differences that the races have from each other stem from their difference in societies and environments. The color of people's skin is just one aspect of this difference, but it isn't the most important one.

Google Lisa Suzuki & Joshua Aronson Richard Lynn. See what comes up. In case you don't reconise the acronym, here's a link - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

All the authors you cited are bed fellows. If Richard Cheney told you George Bush was the best American President ever, would you seriously trust him? There's a little thing called bias.

And if you look who publishes this guys works (Charles Darwin Research Institute), you'll find that it's dedicated to finding any racial difference in human traits.

The whole thing is a sham. It's just one huge clique of pseudo-scientists who all claim the same thing and praise each other for their quack research.

Have you even read that article. He claims sub-saharan Blacks have an average IQ of 70. What the fuck? You even going to care to give us some explanation for this? 70 is as low as most tests go. Would he also care to tell us why Black americans have their IQ jump 15 points to 85 when there ethnic origins are Africa, with a mere 300 years since the original split. Is he seriously trying to suggest that these peoples DNA has changed so much to produce such a radical difference in about 300 years?

Quack research that just compares numbers without any thought what so ever as to the validity and quality of the data.

Though I don't expect you to understand what I am talking about, what with you producing such a slanted poll as you have. You give two extreme viewpoints with no reasonable third choice inbetween the two extremes.


1) So you are saying we shouldnt accept scientific studies because of the "supposed" political links of the scientists? I call that bigotry or prejudice.

2)Have you even read that article yourself? It says at least 50% of iq differences are genetic. So US blacks and africa blacks HAVE environment differences (like diet), which might explain iq difference. Besides, US blacks arent totally african but mixed to a degree. Have you read the thing about mixed children? I dont expect you to understand but at least I was expecting you to read b4 your claims...

Indians arent asians? What are they? Antarticans?

No. He meant "Asian" as in "Chinese". "Asian" means "Chinese looking person" in the US.

I assumed indians are mixed somehow because there are KINDA light skinned indians ALMOST as light as SOME south europeans. Then there are those that are really black....

You presumed wrong.

You presumed that once upon a time there was a pure white race and then a pure black race and then they "mixed" and they are the Indians. Don't you?

No. He meant "Asian" as in "Chinese". "Asian" means "Chinese looking person" in the US.


You presumed wrong.

You presumed that once upon a time there was a pure white race and then a pure black race and then they "mixed" and they are the Indians. Don't you?
You presume he is an idiot, by the looks of it. That he is most definitely not.

1) So you are saying we shouldnt accept scientific studies because of the "supposed" political links of the scientists? I call that bigotry or prejudice.

Are you going to admit that you're a racist yet?

I mean, it's clear to pretty much everyone but you anyway... but really, a racist sitting there whining about bigotry is just about the biggest chunk of hypocrisy I can possibly imagine at this point. You may as well be a little less politically correct, in exchange for being less of a hypocrite.

You presume he is an idiot, by the looks of it. That he is most definitely not.

I don't have to assume anything. He is proving that all by himselves.:cool:

I don't have to assume anything. He is proving that all by himselves.:cool:

http://www.libcom.org/lib/forums/pwned-trotsky.jpg

I don't have to assume anything. He is proving that all by himselves.:cool:
By arguing a position? I would disagree.

You presume he is an idiot, by the looks of it. That he is most definitely not.
And yet another chunk of bait plummets to the bottom of the pond...

A credible opposition to the article has been posted, namely that IQ is often based upon dietary concerns. Could you please defend your article based on that assumption?

Should you find the answer in the original article, I will be more than happy to debate the point. However, considering the rather biased footnotes and sources used in the report, I'll be taking it with a large pinch of salt.

Why couldnt you find this yourself? Is your understanding of debate to ask me questions answered in the text? Your "credible opposition" is so lame...:rolleyes:



The mean Black–White IQ difference in the United States of 85 versus 100
can be, and has been, explained both by the hereditarian model (in terms of some
genetic difference) and by the culture-only model (in terms of nutrition , poverty,
SES, family structure, schooling, racism, and the legacy of slavery). Hence,
initially we were inclined to give both the hereditarian model and the culture-only
model a score of ( ). The hereditarian model, however, also predicted that the
same pattern would be found worldwide, with lower scores for sub-Saharan
Africa than for Black Americans, and that the differences would also be found on
culture-fair tests and on reaction time tasks that measure the speed and efficiency
with which the brain processes information (and which all children can perform
in less than 1 s). These predictions were confirmed. The culture-only hypothesis
is disconfirmed by the differences on culture-fair and reaction time tests. Nor can
the culture-only model easily explain why the East Asian average IQ of 106 is
higher than the average White IQ, including on these same speed-of-processing
tasks. Within the United States, the mean Black–White group difference in IQ has
not changed significantly over the past 100 years despite significant improvements
in the conditions of Black Americans. The same magnitude of difference is
observed as early as age 2
1
⁄
2
years. Our score for Section 3: hereditarian model
( ); culture-only model (–).



Notice the bold. I was worried you might repeat your lame "credible" opposition again, since you cant read whats given in the link, you might not be able to read what I quote...

So each ethnicity in a way is a race? Semantics I suppose.

not exactly. way too much crosscultural-fucking, exogamous marriages, ritual adoptions, and group identity changes over time for that. but ethinc groups have typically defined themselves into existence as a cultural community, and have often built up a distinct average genetic profile. while we're on it, the genetics follows from the cultural community and not the other way round. people do largely marry 'within the group', but exactly what 'the group' is can be redefined quite quickly.

I'm "implying" that you're a racist, no different in quality from the likes of mass murderers. You may advocate different "means" but you still want the same "ends" for the same "reasons."



Helping someone else commit incest is different from oneself committing incest. For example, if I were to hypothetically force you to have intercourse with your mother, I myself would not be committing incest, and my own siblings would have nothing to fear from my behaviour.

Will you compare socialists with Stalin? Are they all same "quality?"

I'm not even answering your 2nd paragraph, it made me sick...

not exactly. way too much crosscultural-fucking, exogamous marriages, ritual adoptions, and group identity changes over time for that. but ethinc groups have typically defined themselves into existence as a cultural community, and have often built up a distinct average genetic profile. while we're on it, the genetics follows from the cultural community and not the other way round. people do largely marry 'within the group', but exactly what 'the group' is can be redefined quite quickly.
This I can agree with. Then I suppose ethnicities would suit most well as the appropriate time, as it isn't as finite a concept as that of race.

*snips crap*
So, you're saying that slavery has made American blacks smarter than Sub-Saharan whatsits? Wow, I guess "whites" would be smarter if "asians" enslaved them, too.

Nah, I didn't say murder 'em. I merely concurred with Fnorx, here who said:

Nowhere in there does it explicitly state that the racists die. It does say 'rot', but I took this to mean the setting-in of gangriene or some other putrefying condition, which, as I said:

Dig a hole on the ground. Lie down in it. Ask a friend to close the whole for you to rot. Are you still alive?

I've heard "it's just skin colour" claim many times on this forum and it's really ridiculous and ignorant. So here comes your poll. If you will debate that race doesnt exist (which there is no large scientific consenssus), I'll say different groups of humans in the poll not to effect results. Besides skin colour and other physical differences, like face features, noses, skulls, athletic abilities (blacks being better at some sports) and stuff, there are also differences like who is more prone to a cetain disease/condition or other medical stuff like that. Also there are average iq differences. And probaly many more that I dont know of or havent been researched yet...

Summary: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2005-04/cdri-bai042505.php

Full Report:
http://www.ssc.uwo.ca/psychology/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf

But they say a picture is worth 1000 words. So here are some albino blacks. Their skin is white but they are clearly not "white". Same goes for some east asians who got kinda white skin but they arent "white" neither.

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/6383/item187pa.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6510/item218se.jpg

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/200/item284zs.jpg

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/4800/item307ag.jpg

Keep in mind that I'm in no way making fun of these people. I'm just saying they arent white, which of course isnt an insult.
Also keep in mind that I just stated plain facts in this thread, no negative nor positive comments. If you are going to say facts are racist, then go ahead, you will just prove my point...


To continue to recycle the SAME arguments over and over, even after they have been defeated, debunked and disproved, is tantamount to dishonesty, don't you think?

Once again - you re-issue the same 'scientific evidence', which was rejected by peer review.

what is the point of this thread anyway? I haven't seen anyone here say "race" is based only on the color of skin and nothing more. Who exactly are you refuting?

No. He meant "Asian" as in "Chinese". "Asian" means "Chinese looking person" in the US.


You presumed wrong.

You presumed that once upon a time there was a pure white race and then a pure black race and then they "mixed" and they are the Indians. Don't you?

Oh my mistake. Asian means asian here....:rolleyes:

I havent presumed anything. They just look mixed somehow...

To continue to recycle the SAME arguments over and over, even after they have been defeated, debunked and disproved, is tantamount to dishonesty, don't you think?

Once again - you re-issue the same 'scientific evidence', which was rejected by peer review.
What were the reasons for rejection? Mere disagreement or counter-argument? If the latter, what was the counter-argument founded upon?

Oh my mistake. Asian means asian here....:rolleyes:

I havent presumed anything. They just look mixed somehow...
Americans tend to confuse words and their meanings a lot. Like with "liberal". :rolleyes:

I don't have to assume anything. He is proving that all by himselves.:cool:

:rolleyes: Ad-hominem. You are proving the quality of your debate...And I mean it really, it wasnt supposed to be a silly comment.

Will you compare socialists with Stalin? Are they all same "quality?"


Socialists claim to desire equality, nothing more. Stalin made no such claim.

You on the other hand, claim to desire the exact things that Hitler would have. A homogenous, white, "Nordic" nation. Hence your comparison of comparisons isn't valid, while mine is still valid. ;)

I'm not even answering your 2nd paragraph, it made me sick...

Looks like you're not going to answer my question either.

Looks like you're still too much of a chickenshit to admit to your own racism. What's the matter, too politically incorrect for you?

Looks like you're still too much of a chickenshit to admit to your own racism. What's the matter, too politically incorrect for you?

Because people might actually realize there are some threads best ignored...

To continue to recycle the SAME arguments over and over, even after they have been defeated, debunked and disproved, is tantamount to dishonesty, don't you think?

Once again - you re-issue the same 'scientific evidence', which was rejected by peer review.

You need to look up what debunked means. Or back your claims...

Dig a hole on the ground. Lie down in it. Ask a friend to close the whole for you to rot. Are you still alive?
Yup. After all, he "closes" it, he doesn't "fill it in".

You hair-splitting pedant.

So, you're saying that slavery has made American blacks smarter than Sub-Saharan whatsits? Wow, I guess "whites" would be smarter if "asians" enslaved them, too.
I don't think he ever suggested slavery is what made them smarter. Living a different cultural environment did. They were not slaves for all eternity.

Socialists claim to desire equality, nothing more. Stalin made no such claim.

You on the other hand, claim to desire the exact things that Hitler would have. A homogenous, white, "Nordic" nation. Hence your comparison of comparisons isn't valid, while mine is still valid. ;)



Looks like you're not going to answer my question either.

Looks like you're still too much of a chickenshit to admit to your own racism. What's the matter, too politically incorrect for you?

Stalin was a communist. Do you know the ideology of communists regarding equality? :rolleyes:

http://www.apa.org/journals/releases/amp60171.pdf

From this article:

Molecular genetics works by modeling genotype–
phenotype relationships and then defining the DNA variants
that create this connection. In the case of intelligence,
it is not known what form the genotype takes or how to
conceptualize or measure the phenotype. In fact, it is not
known what a “race” is. It is, at the very least, premature to
argue that useful answers should be expected from research
on whether there is a molecular basis for racial differences
in IQ scores. Until the DNA–phenotype relationship is
understood, such questions should remain in the realm
of nescience—the unknown and the unknowable—not
science. Rather than providing useful answers, further research
on race and IQ along the lines promoted by Rowe
will instead add to the existing morass of Type I error and
willful falsification.

For the last four centuries Western science has been
obsessed with the need to justify White privilege and in so
doing has provided crucial support for racist ideas in society
at large. To use the rhetoric of science to sell the idea
that historical inequity should be embraced as biological
inevitability is an insult to those who value a common
humanity.

Fits this whole fucking thread to a T.

Here's another. http://www.apa.org/journals/releases/amp60146.pdf

In this article, the authors argue that the overwhelming
portion of the literature on intelligence, race, and genetics
is based on folk taxonomies rather than scientific analysis.
They suggest that because theorists of intelligence disagree
as to what it is, any consideration of its relationships to
other constructs must be tentative at best. They further
argue that race is a social construction with no scientific
definition. Thus, studies of the relationship between race
and other constructs may serve social ends but cannot
serve scientific ends. No gene has yet been conclusively
linked to intelligence, so attempts to provide a compelling
genetic link of race to intelligence are not feasible at this
time. The authors also show that heritability, a behaviorgenetic
concept, is inadequate in regard to providing such
a link.

You need to look up what debunked means. Or back your claims...

No, but perhaps YOU might.

If your source has been shown to be 'non-canonical'... as in, it failed peer-review... then it has been 'debunked'.

The last time you tried to peddle this racist crap, your arguments were shown to be hate-mongering, and your evidence was shown to be weak and fatally flawed.

That was... what... 4 weeks ago? You think we will forget?

Or - do you think it will magically become true if you keep recycling the same Nazi bullshit over and over again?

Yup. After all, he "closes" it, he doesn't "fill it in".

You hair-splitting pedant.
He is not a native English speaker. Insulting his command of colloquial English is a pure ad-hominem attack.

Stalin was a communist. Do you know the ideology of communists regarding equality? :rolleyes:

I notice you totally ignore anything you don't have a smarmy eye-rolling emoticon answer to.

Yes, Stalin was a communist. And you're a racist.

Dig a hole on the ground. Lie down in it. Ask a friend to close the whole for you to rot. Are you still alive?

We don't know the answer, which is why we shall perform a controlled scientific experiment with racist subjects. A second group of racists will receive a placebo doom: they will think they are being sent to their grave as punishment for being idiots but they're really just eating carrot cake.

http://www.apa.org/journals/releases/amp60171.pdf

From this article:



Fits this whole fucking thread to a T.


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11007239&postcount=200

He is not a native English speaker. Insulting his command of colloquial English is a pure ad-hominem attack.
He does well enough to take on the entirety of NSG on an ongoing basis. My sympathies are as minute as your unswerving support is grandiose, sir.

No, but perhaps YOU might.

If your source has been shown to be 'non-canonical'... as in, it failed peer-review... then it has been 'debunked'.

The last time you tried to peddle this racist crap, your arguments were shown to be hate-mongering, and your evidence was shown to be weak and fatally flawed.

That was... what... 4 weeks ago? You think we will forget?

Or - do you think it will magically become true if you keep recycling the same Nazi bullshit over and over again?

Were shown? Was shown? By whom?? I challenge you to find links of these "proofs". What peer review? I challenge you to find this peer reviews too. You havent proved anything, besides showing your absolute lack of objectivity.

Were shown? Was shown? By whom?? I challenge you to find links of these "proofs". What peer review? I challenge you to find this peer reviews too. You havent proved anything, besides showing your absolute lack of objectivity.
I inquired as to the nature of these peer reviews earlier, and got no response.

He is not a native English speaker. Insulting his command of colloquial English is a pure ad-hominem attack.

Insulting my english is all of his/her/its capacity...

Were shown? Was shown? By whom?? I challenge you to find links of these "proofs". What peer review? I challenge you to find this peer reviews too. You havent proved anything, besides showing your absolute lack of objectivity.
The onus is on you, old bean.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11007239&postcount=200

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11007358&postcount=218

Looks like we can go all day with this. But you still haven't admitted to being a racist, chickenshit. Still being "sick" because of my "incest comments?" Poor little fella. I guess you're just genetically inferior.

I notice you totally ignore anything you don't have a smarmy eye-rolling emoticon answer to.

Yes, Stalin was a communist. And you're a racist.

So did you get my point? I guess not :D

The onus is on you, old bean.
Not if someone is suggesting the article has been struck down. Then it is upon them to prove by whom and how this occured.

We don't know the answer, which is why we shall perform a controlled scientific experiment with racist subjects. A second group of racists will receive a placebo doom: they will think they are being sent to their grave as punishment for being idiots but they're really just eating carrot cake.

A guy/girl here is from your country (india). Why dont you play with him/her?

Insulting my english is all of his/her/its capacity...
But there's so many other reasons to insult you, why would I bother taking you to task over your mastery of the english language? You're manufacturing issues where none exist in an attempt to actually produce one of your precious "ad-hominem" attacks. You'll have to do better than that, I'm afraid. Never mind what your remora tells you, you're toothless here.

So did you get my point? I guess not :D

Did you get my point? I guess not. ;)

You're right, these cute little emoticons are much better than actual arguments.

Were shown? Was shown? By whom?? I challenge you to find links of these "proofs". What peer review? I challenge you to find this peer reviews too. You havent proved anything, besides showing your absolute lack of objectivity.

This has all been shown before, the LAST time you peddled your hate agenda.

I guess you don't read your own articles?

"The paper, "Thirty Years of Research on Race Differences in Cognitive Ability," by J. Philippe Rushton of the University of Western Ontario and Arthur R. Jensen of the University of California at Berkeley, appeared with a positive commentary by Linda Gottfredson of the University of Delaware, three critical ones (by Robert Sternberg of Yale University, Richard Nisbett of the University of Michigan, and Lisa Suzuki & Joshua Aronson of New York University), and the authors' reply.

Right there in your own source, a failed 'peer review'.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11007358&postcount=218

Looks like we can go all day with this. But you still haven't admitted to being a racist, chickenshit. Still being "sick" because of my "incest comments?" Poor little fella. I guess you're just genetically inferior.

We might go on like that. But you'll probably wont understand why "your model" cant explain things "hereditary model" can explain...

This has all been shown before, the LAST time you peddled your hate agenda.

I guess you don't read your own articles?



Right there in your own source, a failed 'peer review'.

HAHAHAHA....Is this all you could have come up with? 3 people? Wow!!!! Such a huge review!!! Those 3 must be gods to reject or accept scientific studies by themselves.....LMAOO
I guess what you just proved was only that you absolutely shouldnt be taken seriously when you claim something has been debunked....

Ad-hominem. You are proving the quality of your debate...And I mean it really, it wasnt supposed to be a silly comment.


Lol...your post below shows the quality of your "debate".


I havent presumed anything. They just look mixed somehow...


Yes you did. You presumed that there was a "pure white race" and then a black race and then they mixed in ancient India and the result is the Indians - varying from [your words]"KINDA light skinned indians ALMOST as light as SOME south europeans" to [your words again] "those that are really black...."

I did hint that you are basing your assumptions on the defunct pseudo-scientific Aryan invasion theory.

If this is not stupidity then what is? I am not making an ad-hominem attack on you that you are stupid.

Your post SCREAMS stupidity.

We might go on like that. But you'll probably wont understand why "your model" cant explain things "hereditary model" can explain...

The question "What portion of the 15 point IQ difference between blacks and whites is genetic?" simply makes no sense. To begin with, the empirical gap is currently substantially less than that. Moreover, with the exception of Herrnstein and Murray, few investigators have ever suggested that the entire gap might be genetic in nature. Jensen, one of the best-known proponents of the view of European genetic superiority, estimates that the genetic gap is about seven points [ref.]. As Block (1995) has suggested, the reference point should not be a gap of 15 points or any other specific figure. Rather, it makes more sense to ask how far, and in what direction, the genetically-based difference between the races differs from zero.
If in fact it makes sense to ask the genetic question at all. All evidence points to two extraordinarily important conclusions. First, if there are genetically-determined differences between the races in IQ, they are not sufficiently large to show up with any regularity in studies with a wide range of methodologies.

Source: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~nisbett/racegen.pdf

Your article was co-written by someone who views that Europeans are genetically superior. Hence the Type I error and willful falsification mentioned in this (http://www.apa.org/journals/releases/amp60171.pdf) article.

And you still haven't come up with a smiley-emoticon response to this (http://www.apa.org/journals/releases/amp60146.pdf) one either.

Nor have you admitted to your own racist bias. Why not, baby blue?

Did you get my point? I guess not. ;)

You're right, these cute little emoticons are much better than actual arguments.

So all "racists" (!) are the quality of hitler but all socialists arent the quality of stalin? :rolleyes: Then you claimed socialists are people that just believe in equality, then I reminded you the ideology of communists, which you accepted was the ideology of Stalin.
So what's your point? That you cant understand?

Source: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~nisbett/racegen.pdf

Your article was co-written by someone who views that Europeans are genetically superior. Hence the Type I error and willful falsification mentioned in this (http://www.apa.org/journals/releases/amp60171.pdf) article.

And you still haven't come up with a smiley-emoticon response to this (http://www.apa.org/journals/releases/amp60146.pdf) one either.

Nor have you admitted to your own racist bias. Why not, baby blue?

Then, he disproved himself by publishing a study that says Asians are smarter. Then he must have forgotten his political views when he was making science...:rolleyes:
Another silly answer has been debunked...NEXT

*snip*
An awful lot to infer from a person who simply said they look mixed, but never made any statements as to their actual provenance.

So all "racists" (!) are the quality of hitler but all socialists arent the quality of stalin? :rolleyes: Then you claimed socialists are people that just believe in equality, then I reminded you the ideology of communists, which you accepted was the ideology of Stalin.
So what's your point? That you cant understand?
Get it right - Stalin was a totalitarian who perverted the Revolution in order to seize total executive power for life.

This is bullshit.

So all "racists" (!) are the quality of hitler but all socialists arent the quality of stalin? :rolleyes: Then you claimed socialists are people that just believe in equality, then I reminded you the ideology of communists, which you accepted was the ideology of Stalin.

All racists share links with Hitler, because Hitler was a racist. Why is this concept difficult for you to understand? Stalin has nothing to do with this, nor does Stalin have anything to do with YOUR racism.


So what's your point? That you cant understand?

Nah, my point is that you're a racist. You're trying to throw up smokescreens to imply that you're not without outright denying it - because you KNOW you are and just don't want to look politically incorrect.

Lol...your post below shows the quality of your "debate".



Yes you did. You presumed that there was a "pure white race" and then a black race and then they mixed in ancient India and the result is the Indians - varying from [your words]"KINDA light skinned indians ALMOST as light as SOME south europeans" to [your words again] "those that are really black...."

I did hint that you are basing your assumptions on the defunct pseudo-scientific Aryan invasion theory.

If this is not stupidity then what is? I am not making an ad-hominem attack on you that you are stupid.

Your post SCREAMS stupidity.


So mixed means mixing black and whites only? Mixed could also be east asian and black. And other stuff. I'm sure my posts screams studipity when YOU CANT understand them. :rolleyes:

You're trying to throw up smokescreens to imply that you're not without outright denying it - because you KNOW you are and just don't want to look politically incorrect.
Though one does wonder why he continues to persist. Not wanting to look politically incorrect doesn't account for all of it.

To be honest, I smell the hand of the seasoned puppeteer at work behind all this.

Americans tend to confuse words and their meanings a lot. Like with "liberal". :rolleyes:

Not their fault. Their experience with Chinese-Asians go a long way back than Indian-Asians.

It is the other way in Europe, especially UK. Asian means Indian/Pakee/BD

for ex

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4992966.stm
Three Asian men have been.....
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41674000/jpg/_41674178_ahned_khan_pa203.jpg

The men are sure as heck not from Laos.

Though one does wonder why he continues to persist. Not wanting to look politically incorrect doesn't account for all of it.

To be honest, I smell the hand of the seasoned puppeteer at work behind all this.

I figured him for a troll reading his first thread. Haven't had much cause since then to change my opinion.

Not their fault. Their experience with Chinese-Asians go a long way back than Indian-Asians.

It is the other way in Europe, especially UK. Asian means Indian/Pakee/BD

Yet in Europe we acknowledge both Middle Easterners and other inhabitants of the continent as Asians.

All racists share links with Hitler, because Hitler was a racist. Why is this concept difficult for you to understand? Stalin has nothing to do with this, nor does Stalin have anything to do with YOUR racism.


Nah, my point is that you're a racist. You're trying to throw up smokescreens to imply that you're not without outright denying it - because you KNOW you are and just don't want to look politically incorrect.

All "racists" (!) share links with hitler but all socialists doesnt share links with Stalin? I am not saying Stalin is racist, but he was a socialist. The links in your Bla bla land surely are interesting...they are linking one "ideology" with 1 person (hitler) but dont link other ideology with another person(stalin). I dont know how I can say the paradox in your assumption any simpler...