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I'll bet the Israelis are pretty amused. What's the israeli equivelant of popcorn?




By Nidal al-Mughrabi1 hour, 5 minutes ago




A new Hamas militia battled gunmen from a Fatah-dominated security force near the Palestinian parliament in Gaza on Monday in fresh clashes that killed a Jordanian driver and wounded six bystanders.


The rival forces traded fire from rooftops, behind buildings and on a key street in Gaza City in the latest internal fighting that will compound fears of civil war breaking out in the impoverished territory of 1.4 million people.


Tensions have surged in the past week between Hamas, an Islamic militant movement that took power in March, and the long-dominant Fatah of President Mahmoud Abbas. Hamas trounced Fatah in parliamentary elections last January.


Palestinian security sources said the Jordanian was driving a car with diplomatic license plates when he was caught in crossfire. Six civilian bystanders and a policeman were also wounded, medics added.


Hamas and Fatah accused each other of starting the battle. After more than two hours of fighting, sporadic shots still echoed through the largely deserted streets of the seaside city.


Some witnesses said members of the new Hamas-led militia returned fire after coming under attack.


Hamas officials said the assailants were from the Preventive Security agency, staffed by men loyal to Fatah. Ordinary police also joined the battle, witnesses said.


Palestinian security sources said the dead Jordanian, Khaled al-Radayda, was an administrative employee at his country's mission in Gaza and not a diplomat.


Al-Radayda was on his way to pick up Jordan's representative to the Palestinian Authority when the clash erupted. His blood was splattered all over the wheel and front seat of the car.


Hamas deployed its new 3,000-strong force in Gaza last week, prompting Abbas, a moderate, to order police onto the streets too. The rival forces clashed within barely a day.


Sustained conflict could cause serious bloodshed in densely packed Gaza City, cripple the Palestinian Authority and strengthen Israel's position to dictate borders that would seal its permanent control on swathes of occupied West Bank land.


WAR OF WORDS TOO


Tawfiq Abu Khoussa, a spokesman for Fatah, said security would worsen if Hamas kept its new force on Gaza's streets in defiance of orders from Abbas to disband it. Abu Khoussa accused Hamas gunmen of firing rocket-propelled grenades at police headquarters in Gaza during Monday's clash.


Sami Abu Zuhri, a Hamas spokesman, said the Hamas force members were defending themselves after coming under attack.


Apparent assassination attempts against two top Abbas commanders at the weekend -- one was badly wounded -- have also stoked worries of further strife in Gaza. Hamas has denied any responsibility for the two attacks.


Unidentified gunmen also killed a militant from Fatah overnight in Gaza. Fatah accused Hamas of killing the man. Hamas said the gunman was killed when he and another man tried to kidnap a Hamas member in the southern Gaza strip.


Hamas, which is formally committed to Israel's destruction, has largely abided by a truce in attacks on Israelis for the past 15 months. But it has bolstered its forces in its Gaza Strip stronghold as it attempts to face down internal rivals.


Fatah seeks a two-state solution to end the conflict.

(Additional reporting by Luke Baker in Jerusalem)

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Palestinian Civil War anyone?

Palestinian Civil War anyone?
No thanks, I'll wait for the domestic version, if it's all the same to you...:rolleyes:

No thanks, I'll wait for the domestic version, if it's all the same to you...:rolleyes:

Domestic Version?

Shouldn't some of the more extreme US posters here be jumping up and down and celebrating this already? What's going on?

EDIT: I don't think there'll be a civil war, although if there is I suspect Hama will win.

Shouldn't some of the more extreme US posters here be jumping up and down and celebrating this already? What's going on?

EDIT: I don't think there'll be a civil war, although if there is I suspect Hama will win.

Because they'll blow themselves up?

Because they'll blow themselves up?

Oh yes, I forgot. All Middle Eastern people just blow up, right? Holy generalisations, Batman!

Shouldn't some of the more extreme US posters here be jumping up and down and celebrating this already? What's going on?

EDIT: I don't think there'll be a civil war, although if there is I suspect Hama will win.

Im more surprised some of y'all arent already blaming the Israelis for this already.

Oh yes, I forgot. All Middle Eastern people just blow up, right? Holy generalisations, Batman!

Well Hamas does have a history of suicide/homicide bombings.

Im more surprised some of y'all arent already blaming the Israelis for this already.

Why would I be blaming the Israelis? They don't seem to haver anything to do with it. I suspect they're just watching.

Oh yes, I forgot. All Middle Eastern people just blow up, right?

Absolutely not. They need explosives to do that.

Well Hamas does have a history of suicide/homicide bombings.

It's still a huge generalisation, something that a lot of US posters around here seem to like making. I always wonder why; they aren't funny or witty in the slightest.

Why would I be blaming the Israelis? They don't seem to haver anything to do with it. I suspect they're just watching.

Why would someone in the US jump up and down about this? Is it somehow attached to their hamstrings?

It's still a huge generalisation, something that a lot of US posters around here seem to like making. I always wonder why; they aren't funny or witty in the slightest.

Someone said that Hamas was going to win and I made a comment about their tactics. How am I generalizing hamas when they do BLOW THEMSELVES UP?

It's still a huge generalisation, something that a lot of US posters around here seem to like making. I always wonder why; they aren't funny or witty in the slightest.

Please name a nation of posters here on this forum which is free of posters who make generalisations which displease you. You seem to generalise US posters but this is seemingly not unpleasant for you.

Someone said that Hamas was going to win and I made a comment about their tactics. How am I generalizing hamas when they do BLOW THEMSELVES UP?

Because, oddly enough, Hamas terrorists do have other tactics than just suicide bombings (Sorry, Homicide Bombings). They can use other weapons as well; suicide bombings may be an oft-used tactic, but it can be stereotyped, as your initial comment seemed to suggest.

Helter Skelter, baybee...

Because, oddly enough, Hamas terrorists do have other tactics than just suicide bombings (Sorry, Homicide Bombings). They can use other weapons as well; suicide bombings may be an oft-used tactic, but it can be stereotyped, as your initial comment seemed to suggest.

The truth is the truth. They have used suicide bombings in the past. I do know they have other weapons.

Because, oddly enough, Hamas terrorists do have other tactics than just suicide bombings (Sorry, Homicide Bombings). They can use other weapons as well; suicide bombings may be an oft-used tactic, but it can be stereotyped, as your initial comment seemed to suggest.


OO hark at her with her hackles up over stereotyping. Only if it is exploding hamas members though, not if it is stereotyping US posters.

OO hark at her with her hackles up over stereotyping. Only if it is exploding hamas members though, not if it is stereotyping US posters.

I'm a male, thanks for that. I'm also not really stereotyping; I can count more than a few US posters who generalise, espcially about 'The Left', 'Liberals' and especially the actions of Iraqi Insurgents. I won't name names, but there's a thread on the first page that highlughts my points exactly.

I'm a male, thanks for that. I'm also not really stereotyping; I can count more than a few US posters who generalise, espcially about 'The Left', 'Liberals' and especially the actions of Iraqi Insurgents. I won't name names, but there's a thread on the first page that highlughts my points exactly.


More hypocritical stereotyping? There was I thinking she and her were the politically correct pronouns to use when unsure of gender these days. I'll bet we dont have to wait very long at all before a hamas member blows himself up to "prove" a stereotype which you dont like. Or you can go to Syria and look at the banners and artwork dedicated to martyrs to "prove" that a "more than a few" hamas members blow themselves up. And they only get to do it once if they get decent training and tools for it. The stereotypical US poster which has you so upset does her posting more than once.

I'll ask again. Which nationality of posters here is free from stereotyping?

I'm a male, thanks for that. I'm also not really stereotyping; I can count more than a few US posters who generalise, espcially about 'The Left', 'Liberals' and especially the actions of Iraqi Insurgents. I won't name names, but there's a thread on the first page that highlughts my points exactly.

In the interests of fairness/balance, I'm going to have to point out that the ability to be an asshat isn't restricted to any political ideology.

Civil war? Please. :rolleyes:

Power struggle is all. Big difference.

I'm a male, thanks for that. I'm also not really stereotyping; I can count more than a few US posters who generalise, espcially about 'The Left', 'Liberals' and especially the actions of Iraqi Insurgents. I won't name names, but there's a thread on the first page that highlughts my points exactly.

And there are a few US Posters who generalize especially about 'The Right', and 'Conservatives'. I won't name names.

Civil war? Please. :rolleyes:

Power struggle is all. Big difference.

Just like the power struggle in Iraq.

And there are a few US Posters who generalize especially about 'The Right', and 'Conservatives'. I won't name names.

I wish somebody would name names.

Just like the power struggle in Iraq.
Except that is done over religious and ethnic lines. ;)

Except that is done over religious and ethnic lines. ;)

Still a power struggle. What's going on is over Ideology in Palastine. If you want to call what is going on in Iraq as a Civil War then this is also a Civil War in the making.

I wish somebody would name names.
Go for it.

Still a power struggle. What's going on is over Ideology in Palastine. If you want to call what is going on in Iraq as a Civil War then this is also a Civil War in the making.

You can call that if you want. Doesn't make it accurate or true.

You can call that if you want. Doesn't make it accurate or true.

Just like what is said about a Civil War in Iraq doesn't make it accurate or true either.

Go for it.

But I dont have any to name to prove any points. Shame really, or I would.

Civil War? Why not.
Go for it, why not blow up your other neighbors. Hell its most likely NATO's fault anyway, just blow all them up too.

I wish somebody would name names.
We have ways to make you talk. We have ways of making you... understand. And we have ways of making you pronounce the letter O! So give me names! Schnell!