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The oldest question of mankind answered!

Lazy Otakus
22-05-2006, 16:37
Katana vs. Gun.

Katana wins. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-ftIPiziWs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftvinjapan%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F)
Khadgar
22-05-2006, 16:43
Should of put some ballsitics gel behind it so they could get good pieces of the bullet.
UpwardThrust
22-05-2006, 16:43
Katana vs. Gun.

Katana wins. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-ftIPiziWs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftvinjapan%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F)
But if you only rely on this as evidence you may get the wrong idea that the katana always wins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdF9k0HVn7E&search=vs%20gun

Forgot the followup :) (I am an avid youtube viewer)
Dobbsworld
22-05-2006, 16:43
Katana vs. Gun.

...and here I was, wondering if I was finally going to find out where all the missing left socks go to...
The Gate Builders
22-05-2006, 16:44
The person holding it would still have died. The largest splinter hit almost exactly behind the blade.
Sonaj
22-05-2006, 16:46
...and here I was, wondering if I was finally going to find out where all the missing left socks go to...
I just figuered it would be another "God exists" thread.

Nice btw.
Lazy Otakus
22-05-2006, 16:48
But if you only rely on this as evidence you may get the wrong idea that the katana always wins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdF9k0HVn7E&search=vs%20gun

Forgot the followup :) (I am an avid youtube viewer)

OK, but how often do you happen to have a machinegun with you, when you're attacked by some samurai?
Gir is Great
22-05-2006, 16:48
That's cool and all but they used a pistol. Maybe a sniper could break it? :confused:

Anyways you wouldn't shoot a katana, you would shoot the user.

EDIT: Where did all those posts come from? I didn't notice them.
UpwardThrust
22-05-2006, 16:49
OK, but how often do you happen to have a machinegun with you, when you're attacked by some samurai?
... Happened in last samurai
The Gate Builders
22-05-2006, 16:51
... Happened in last samurai

Nothing is as satisfying as watching that scene where they just get plastered by machineguns. :D
Khadgar
22-05-2006, 16:51
Obviously something the Mythbusters need to explore, exhaustively.
Minoriteeburg
22-05-2006, 16:53
Obviously something the Mythbusters need to explore, exhaustively.


one of the best shows on television.
The Gate Builders
22-05-2006, 16:53
one of the best shows on television.

Those two whackos are my heros.

I want both their jobs.
Megaloria
22-05-2006, 16:53
I'm going to go ahead and toss this onto the heap of stagnant "gun vs. sword" threads. Anyone have a match?
The Gate Builders
22-05-2006, 16:54
*hands Megaloria a box of matches*

BURN.
Lazy Otakus
22-05-2006, 16:54
... Happened in last samurai

Those were probably not properly trained in the techniques of Hiten Mitsurugi.

Quite disappointing movie BTW IMO.
Cheese penguins
22-05-2006, 16:54
OK, but how often do you happen to have a machinegun with you, when you're attacked by some samurai?
Did you never watch the last samurai?? :D
The Gate Builders
22-05-2006, 16:55
You know what? I'd have to say that I'm pretty sure a .50 cal could handle several Samurai.


Those were probably not properly trained in the techniques of Hiten Mitsurugi.

The noble art of being totally invulnerable to bullets?
Khadgar
22-05-2006, 16:55
one of the best shows on television.

Absolutely, one of only a handful of things I'll turn on my TV for.
Gir is Great
22-05-2006, 16:57
You know what? I'd have to say that I'm pretty sure a .50 cal could handle several Samurai.

The noble art of being totally invulnerable to bullets?


Wooo! .50 cal!

The noble art of being totally invulnerable to bullets? :D :D
Fleckenstein
22-05-2006, 16:58
Pfft. Katana?

More like bastard swords, baby!

(one-and-a-half hands? anyone?)
Minoriteeburg
22-05-2006, 16:58
Absolutely, one of only a handful of things I'll turn on my TV for.


my favorite ones were the exploding pants, and surviving gunfire in a swimming pool
The Parkus Empire
22-05-2006, 16:59
But if you only rely on this as evidence you may get the wrong idea that the katana always wins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdF9k0HVn7E&search=vs%20gun

Forgot the followup :) (I am an avid youtube viewer)
Zat a Browning M2?
The Gate Builders
22-05-2006, 17:00
I have a test that would satisfy Lazy Otakus.

3 samurai properly trained in whatever the hell it was LO mentioned versus 1 Vickers .303 machinegun with a very long belt of ammo, and 60 yards of ground for the samurai to cover.

:)
The Parkus Empire
22-05-2006, 17:00
Wooo! .50 cal!

The noble art of being totally invulnerable to bullets? :D :D
A 50 caliber could slice up them katanas, especially a magnum.:D
Not bad
22-05-2006, 17:03
I was surprised that it took several hits with the 50 to break it.

My Ruger number one (tropical) in 375 H&H magnum wouldnt stand a chance. And it will hole a Chrysler big block.
Forsakia
22-05-2006, 17:04
I have a test that would satisfy Lazy Otakus.

3 samurai properly trained in whatever the hell it was LO mentioned versus 1 Vickers .303 machinegun with a very long belt of ammo, and 60 yards of ground for the samurai to cover.

:)
Ah but what sort of ground. Given the right cover the shooter (assuming there was one that you didn't mention) wouldn't see them.
Peveski
22-05-2006, 17:05
OK, but how often do you happen to have a machinegun with you, when you're attacked by some samurai?

Well so far everytime I have been attacked by a samurai I did.
The Gate Builders
22-05-2006, 17:05
60 yards of open ground with a tree in the middle. :D

It doesn't really matter. A machinegun doesn't need to see you to kill the hell out of you.
Bodies Without Organs
22-05-2006, 17:13
Katana vs. Gun.

Great. All wee need now is a Trenchcoat vs. Katana vs. Gun threeway.
Europa Maxima
22-05-2006, 17:14
The blade is mightier than the gun, and the pen mightier yet. Of course, what good is the pen if the blade slashes it in half? :confused:
The Gate Builders
22-05-2006, 17:16
There's a reason nobody uses swords in large-scale conflict.
Lazy Otakus
22-05-2006, 17:17
I have a test that would satisfy Lazy Otakus.

3 samurai properly trained in whatever the hell it was LO mentioned versus 1 Vickers .303 machinegun with a very long belt of ammo, and 60 yards of ground for the samurai to cover.

:)

That would be tough, but they have a chance.

They would have to do it in slow motion/bullet time mode though. :)
Dobbsworld
22-05-2006, 17:17
The blade is mightier than the gun, and the pen mightier yet. Of course, what good is the pen if the blade slashes it in half? :confused:
I dunno, what good is mightiness if you're trying to write a letter?
The Gate Builders
22-05-2006, 17:17
I'd love to see that. :)

If samurais can do that, they deserve to win.
Not bad
22-05-2006, 17:19
I wonder if they make better katanas now or if some of the historical accounts of British swordsmen versus samurai were incorrect?

I had read that Samurai style was to avoid hitting sword to sword and that the British did hit sword to sword with tougher less brittle swords. Katanas broke.


Anyway one thing I do know is....NEVER trust a Spanish sword.
Kzord
22-05-2006, 17:26
I had read that Samurai style was to avoid hitting sword to sword and that the British did hit sword to sword with tougher less brittle swords. Katanas broke.
I can understand why, too: they hit the katanas on the side. If the samurai had tried to cut the british swords, it might be the british swords that were broken.
Khadgar
22-05-2006, 17:28
my favorite ones were the exploding pants, and surviving gunfire in a swimming pool


Bullet proof water, that was good. If you're willing to drown you won't get shot.
Kamsaki
22-05-2006, 17:42
But if you only rely on this as evidence you may get the wrong idea that the katana always wins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdF9k0HVn7E&search=vs%20gun

Forgot the followup :) (I am an avid youtube viewer)
I'm astounded it lasted as long as it did. Took 7 shots to destroy a strip of metal.
UpwardThrust
22-05-2006, 17:43
I'm astounded it lasted as long as it did. Took 7 shots to destroy a strip of metal.
Positioned length on ... I am not too suprized
Kamsaki
22-05-2006, 17:48
I have a test that would satisfy Lazy Otakus.

3 samurai properly trained in whatever the hell it was LO mentioned versus 1 Vickers .303 machinegun with a very long belt of ammo, and 60 yards of ground for the samurai to cover.

:)
Samurai? They'd get whupped.

Ninja, on the other hand...
Gir is Great
22-05-2006, 20:49
I dunno, what good is mightiness if you're trying to write a letter?


:D

Also NINJAs yay!
Ifreann
22-05-2006, 21:23
That's hardly fair. The katana should have had to cut the gun in half too.
Druidville
22-05-2006, 21:32
Anyone got any evidence? I've read reports that during the crusades, One english knight bet he could chop the head off a camel in one stroke with his sword. Story goes he won, too.

There is evidence out there that suggests that those trying to breach the walls were simply hacked in half, lengthwise by Crusaders. Heavy Armor having some benefit, I suppose.

I'd take the .50 BMG rifle anyday, thank you.
JuNii
22-05-2006, 21:33
Obviously something the Mythbusters need to explore, exhaustively.
suggest it with a link to both videos. :D
JuNii
22-05-2006, 21:40
But if you only rely on this as evidence you may get the wrong idea that the katana always wins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdF9k0HVn7E&search=vs%20gun

Forgot the followup :) (I am an avid youtube viewer)
Still Impressive... it took 7 hits with a bullet before breaking. :D

now they should try it with european swords.
Brains in Tanks
23-05-2006, 04:44
I wonder if they make better katanas now or if some of the historical accounts of British swordsmen versus samurai were incorrect?

I had read that Samurai style was to avoid hitting sword to sword and that the British did hit sword to sword with tougher less brittle swords. Katanas broke.


Anyway one thing I do know is....NEVER trust a Spanish sword.

You are supposed to parry with the back of a Katana. If you parry with the blade the edge will chip.

A skilled fencer has the edge over a skilled samuri, but in real life battle is chaotic so it's probably not a huge edge. (Actually, it's the point of a sabre that would give a fencer the edge, not the actual edge itself.)

Samuri could cut people in half quite effectively, especially if they were standing still. When a samuri told a criminal that he would exucute him by slicing him in half through his belly the criminal replied that if he had know that he would have swollowed some stones to blunt his blade.

Anyone got any evidence? I've read reports that during the crusades, One english knight bet he could chop the head off a camel in one stroke with his sword. Story goes he won, too.

I've seen footage of bull's heads being cut off with swords. There is also supposed to be footage of a samuri cutting through a machine gun barrel with a katana. (This is impressive, but not impossible. No laws of physics are being broken.)
Xislakilinia
23-05-2006, 05:09
But if you only rely on this as evidence you may get the wrong idea that the katana always wins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdF9k0HVn7E&search=vs%20gun

Forgot the followup :) (I am an avid youtube viewer)

What's really hilarious about this video is the part where the Japanese (swordmaster? master swordmaker?) gentleman handles the mangled section of the katana longingly after the barrage.

Days (weeks?) of sword making effort demolished by a fifty cal. Wha...fuck? Now I'll sleep better tonight knowing that a heavily clamped down Katana can survive six fifties shot precisely through its edge. :D
Non Aligned States
23-05-2006, 05:16
and surviving gunfire in a swimming pool

Do you? I imagine after a couple of feet of water, most bullets lose their velocity. Unless they're those Russian supercavitation capable rounds for underwater use.
JuNii
23-05-2006, 05:21
Do you? I imagine after a couple of feet of water, most bullets lose their velocity. Unless they're those Russian supercavitation capable rounds for underwater use.
mythbusters.

a couple feet of water disintergrated the bullet. (if I remember right, it was less than a foot of water.)

even from a 50 cal.
Brains in Tanks
23-05-2006, 05:24
Do you? I imagine after a couple of feet of water, most bullets lose their velocity. Unless they're those Russian supercavitation capable rounds for underwater use.

To a bullet water isn't too different from human flesh. Two feet of water probably has an effect similar to at least one foot of human.
Barbaric Tribes
23-05-2006, 05:31
That was cool and all but in reality as proved in ww2, swords dont have much place in combat with guns these days. I'd carry one but wait till people we're out of ammunition to use it, seriously though, katanas are cool and mystikal and i have one and all but i definetly wouldnt run at someone holding a gun with it. I'd take out my gun and live.
MrMopar
23-05-2006, 05:32
I'm gonna go Indie Jones here...

:eek: :sniper:
Not bad
23-05-2006, 05:48
mythbusters.

a couple feet of water disintergrated the bullet. (if I remember right, it was less than a foot of water.)

even from a 50 cal.


They werent using FMJ 50 BMG rounds if they disintegrated. In my experience FFMJ copper clad (steel or lead) bullets seldom come apart until you hit rocks or metal or the like.

Barnes makes bronze bullets for big game that dont disintegrate and as I recall they used to make bronze bullets for shooting fish where that was legal.
Not bad
23-05-2006, 05:56
Great. All wee need now is a Trenchcoat vs. Katana vs. Gun threeway.

Id bet 6 cookies that the trenchcoat would come in third by some very large margin.