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What do you think of (elective) plastic surgery for purely cosmetic purposes?
Have you or would you ever consider it?

I sometimes think my nose would look better if it was a bit smaller, but even if I could afford it, I'm not sure I would go through with it.

What do you think of (elective) plastic surgery for purely cosmetic purposes?
Have you or would you ever consider it?

I sometimes thing my nose would look better if it was a bit smaller, but even if I could afford it, I'm not sure I would go through with it.

If I weren't opposed to sumptuary laws in principle, I would advocate a Law punishing any form of cosmetic surgery, including piercing and tattoos, with 20 years of porridge.

If I weren't opposed to sumptuary laws in principle, I would advocate a Law punishing any form of cosmetic surgery, including piercing and tattoos, with 20 years of porridge.

Mmm, porridge. :p

Isn't 20 years a bit excessive though?

Mmm, porridge. :p

Isn't 20 years a bit excessive though?


Excess to penalise Excess!
Consider it poetic justice - I thoroughly hate ostentatiousness.
( And I'd say it is secular blasphemy in a world that STILL has severe poverty-problems. )

I have nowt against it, I would'nt do it meself(at least at this stage in my life) but I don't think it is nesicirly a bad idea.

I have nowt against it, I would'nt do it meself(at least at this stage in my life) but I don't think it is nesicirly a bad idea.

I agree, I'm too young at the moment to seriously act on it.

Excess to penalise Excess!
Consider it poetic justice - I thoroughly hate ostentatiousness.
( And I'd say it is secular blasphemy in a world that STILL has severe poverty-problems. )

Heheh isn't it though just a little ostentatious, to declare on a public forum, sevear jail time for something that you just don't personaly like?

Nah, I wouldn't do it. Be my guest to do it yourself, though.

Want cosmetic surgery?

Anyone who goes in for cosmetic surgery should immediately be shot in the face with buckshot, at long range.

Want cosmetic surgery?

Anyone who goes in for cosmetic surgery should immediately be shot in the face with buckshot, at long range.

What about people with burn scars and the like?

Want cosmetic surgery?

Anyone who goes in for cosmetic surgery should immediately be shot in the face with buckshot, at long range.

Care to explain that pov?

It's not for me as I am actually the plutonic solid ideal of beauty, but if other people want it I suppose it is up to them. I would just ban/regulate dangerous procedures and perhaps put a tax on it and have the money given to the ugly to compensate them for becoming a smaller and smaller minority. That way every face lift performed it pays for one ugly person to get their bunions fixed or something.

Care to explain that pov?

It really gets on my nerves.

It really gets on my nerves.

Why?

Do you think that we should take what we are given or what?

Why?

Do you think that we should take what we are given or what?

Yep. Don't like it? Deal with it.

Yep. Don't like it? Deal with it.

Hey, just trying to see where you're coming from...

*backs away*

Heheh isn't it though just a little ostentatious, to declare on a public forum, sevear jail time for something that you just don't personaly like?

Just how much did it cost? All the electrons were recycled! :fluffle:

Hey, just trying to see where you're coming from...

*backs away*
ROFL!
I was talking about appearance, not telling you to 'deal with it'.

Although...

*waves fist angrily*

I'll be in my angry dome!

What do you think of (elective) plastic surgery for purely cosmetic purposes?
Have you or would you ever consider it?

I sometimes think my nose would look better if it was a bit smaller, but even if I could afford it, I'm not sure I would go through with it.

I think for the ladies, properly applied make-up and a good fitting dress will already work wonders. Having said that I don't mind plastic surgery, if it was professionally done and subdued, for myself or others.

I am strongly against over-the-top surgery for excessive size or bizarre fashion trends.

ROFL!
I was talking about appearance, not telling you to 'deal with it'.

Although...

*waves fist angrily*

I'll be in my angry dome!

Does NS have an angry dome? If not you should start a thread and challenge people.

Does NS have an angry dome? If not you should start a thread and challenge people.


I think that's The Sound and The Fury?

I just put a bowl on my head and call it the angry dome.

:(

ROFL!
I was talking about appearance, not telling you to 'deal with it'.

Although...

*waves fist angrily*

I'll be in my angry dome!

Lol, ok, that makes me feel better :)

In honesty, I am pretty happy with what I have, but surely you've noticed that plastic surgery seems to become an increasingly common option for those that can afford it (often with bad consequences).

With todays emphasis on beauty, it's hard to compete with the kind of perfection you see in magazines... *sigh*

If you try to compete you're stupid.

Unless you have a magic airbrush, you just can't. Cosmetic sugery is nowhere near as good as photoshop. :)

With todays emphasis on beauty, it's hard to compete with the kind of perfection you see in magazines... *sigh*
Heh, i'm not attracted to plastic people...

Imperfection can be a far greater representation of beauty.

I am strongly against over-the-top surgery for excessive size or bizarre fashion trends.

I agree.

Jocelyne Wildenstein, anyone?
http://www2.thanhnien.com.vn/Uploaded/dinhhuan/209/Wildenstein.jpg

HOLY SH-ining light unto us all.

What IS that?

If you try to compete you're stupid.

Unless you have a magic airbrush, you just can't. Cosmetic sugery is nowhere near as good as photoshop. :)

True. But there something inherant in most females to try to compete anyway lol

Mmm, the wonders of photoshop :p

HOLY SH-ining light unto us all.

What IS that?

Apparently, she was going for the feline look :p

Heh, i'm not attracted to plastic people...

Imperfection can be a far greater representation of beauty.

So you don't find the large majority of famous people attractive?
:fluffle:

Apparently, she was going for the feline look :p

What kind of weird cat looks like that?

*shudder*

That's it, that's the final straw. I'm gay now.

Lol, ok, that makes me feel better :)

In honesty, I am pretty happy with what I have, but surely you've noticed that plastic surgery seems to become an increasingly common option for those that can afford it (often with bad consequences).

With todays emphasis on beauty, it's hard to compete with the kind of perfection you see in magazines... *sigh*


It realy is no differant from the idea of makeup, or jewrly, or takeing care what cloths you wear, just a little more extreme. If peoiple what a differant nose, or bigger boobs, or a new pair of trainers, then it's their choice.

We all do things with our apperance to make us feel better, wether it be hair colour, mini skirt, facial hair, hair style, denim, bling, botox of or rhinoplasty, it's all the same and for the same reason. Hate plastic surgery then might as well hate hats!

So you don't find the large majority of famous people attractive?
:fluffle:
Not only are they generally unattractive, they go in for fake looks which make them unattractive! I mean even those targeted at people like me... ergh. Though Clint Eastwood in some of the spagghetti westerns....

Hate plastic surgery then might as well hate hats!

Hats whose sole function is to make the wearer permenantly, wildly attractive? :D

Hats whose sole function is to make the wearer permenantly, wildly attractive? :D


Heheh yeah I guess, if umm you like hats! Personaly I hate them!:rolleyes:

I have to make a confession here :

I've never really been able to tell Hollywood celebrities apart. They virtually all look the same to me.
Personally, I appreciate imperfections in everyone, they add to the overall beauty of people.

Not only are they generally unattractive, they go in for fake looks which make them unattractive! I mean even those targeted at people like me... ergh. Though Clint Eastwood in some of the spagghetti westerns....

Fantastic, the current consensus of this thread is that a little bit of imperfection is good :)

Heheh yeah I guess, if umm you like hats! Personaly I hate them!:rolleyes:

Not much of a hat wearer myself either...
What about a jumper?

Fantastic, the current consensus of this thread is that a little bit of imperfection is good :)
Oh hell yes. For a start you look human if you're slightly imperfect. Who wants perfection? Give me little flaws every day! (Unfortunately I tend to get handed the bigger flaws...)

I have to make a confession here :

I've never really been able to tell Hollywood celebrities apart. They virtually all look the same to me.
Personally, I appreciate imperfections in everyone, they add to the overall beauty of people.

:D

I like you :fluffle:

Hats whose sole function is to make the wearer permenantly, wildly attractive? :D

Any hat. For a permanently, wildly attractive wearer like yourself. :fluffle:

Be careful of butter addictions though. A one way street downhill. :D

So you don't find the large majority of famous people attractive?
:fluffle:

:fluffle:

Nope, definitely not. While there are a couple of exceptions...by and large, that kind of manufactured look really doesn't do it for me.

Not much of a hat wearer myself either...
What about a jumper?
Meh, any clothes designed to make the weare look superior or attractive are bad. Equally nakedness is bad. Equally anything designed to make the wearer look bad is bad. So we're all rather ****ed, really. So just go with the flow!

And of course, plastic surgery has one serious argument against it. This man:
http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/04/14/imageLA10504132222.jpg
Sorry, its a somewhat distressing image and young children should not be allowed to see it.

Oh hell yes. For a start you look human if you're slightly imperfect. Who wants perfection? Give me little flaws every day! (Unfortunately I tend to get handed the bigger flaws...)

Actually, thinking about it... Isn't it annoying having a friend/ lover who has virtually flawless looks, and you feel like you can never live up to that?

One of my best friends was like that, I felt like I was always the "slightly less good looking one" :rolleyes:

Any hat. For a permanently, wildly attractive wearer like yourself. :fluffle:

Be careful of butter addictions though. A one way street downhill. :D

Butter, eh? I'll remember that :)

:fluffle:

Actually, thinking about it... Isn't it annoying having a friend/ lover who has virtually flawless looks, and you feel like you can never live up to that?

One of my best friends was like that, I felt like I was always the "slightly less good looking one" :rolleyes:
No, its not annoying, I just get used to it... practically all my friends look better than me. This is not hard.

:fluffle:

Nope, definitely not. While there are a couple of exceptions...by and large, that kind of manufactured look really doesn't do it for me.

:D , just :D

Oh, and :fluffle:

Actually, thinking about it... Isn't it annoying having a friend/ lover who has virtually flawless looks, and you feel like you can never live up to that?

One of my best friends was like that, I felt like I was always the "slightly less good looking one" :rolleyes:

*lol
I know how you feel. But then again, people don't need to be perfect to make me feel that way ;)

Personally, I just don't like this flawless appearance. It always makes me think that there have to be flaws, and if they're not in the looks, they have to be in the character...

I have to make a confession here :

I've never really been able to tell Hollywood celebrities apart. They virtually all look the same to me.
Personally, I appreciate imperfections in everyone, they add to the overall beauty of people.

I definitely agree. For me I've always prefered meaty. No matter now "imperfect" that appears to others, meaty is uberbabe for me. ;)

*lol
I know how you feel. But then again, people don't need to be perfect to make me feel that way ;)

Personally, I just don't like this flawless appearance. It always makes me think that there have to be flaws, and if they're not in the looks, they have to be in the character...

Lol :D

So true! It actually seems like there is a bit of a relationship between character and looks.

Do you think that if a person becomes more attractive they lose character somehow?

I definitely agree. For me I've always prefered meaty. No matter now "imperfect" that appears to others, meaty is uberbabe for me. ;)

Same. As far as women go, curves are best. :)

Women that are unnaturally skinny don't do it for me so much.

Lol :D

So true! It actually seems like there is a bit of a relationship between character and looks.

Do you think that if a person becomes more attractive they lose character somehow?

I don't think they lose it, really... I think character and personality is something which just grows with life, and the harder your life is, the more it develops and grows. Attractive people tend to lead lives that are a bit easier and less rough, so in turn they often give me the feeling that their personality isn't really fully developed yet.
But that's just my impresstion, and there are definitely plenty of exceptions. There are plenty of attractive people who have great personality, and there are plenty of unattractive people who are simply gits.

Same. As far as women go, curves are best. :)

Women that are unnaturally skinny don't do it for me so much.

I really like you :fluffle:

:D

Attractive people tend to lead lives that are a bit easier and less rough, so in turn they often give me the feeling that their personality isn't really fully developed yet.

Yes, ever noticed how much more they get away with? :rolleyes:

I really like you :fluffle:

:D

:D

I like you too.
Have a fluffle: :fluffle:

Yes, ever noticed how much more they get away with? :rolleyes:
Poeple overlook it. Well, they look at the person's chest, not their deeds.

Poeple overlook it. Well, they look at the person's chest, not their deeds.

*lol
If they only looked at the person's chest, I'd get away with far more than I do... :p

:D , just :D

Oh, and :fluffle:

*blushes and shifts feet*

:p

*lol
If they only looked at the person's chest, I'd get away with far more than I do... :p

Hehe, sounds good :p

*blushes and shifts feet*

:p

Oh? Are my fluffles embaressing you?

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

:D

*lol
If they only looked at the person's chest, I'd get away with far more than I do... :p

:eek:

Meaty-licious superbabe! Oh oh... I feel...

*Think of Margaret Thatcher on a cold day. Margaret Thatcher on a cold day...*

*puts up a beaded curtain on the entrance to the thread, and a sign saying 'cover charge £5.00'*

*puts up a beaded curtain on the entrance to the thread, and a sign saying 'cover charge £5.00'*

No! This thread can't have degenerated that much.... Can it? :(

Oh? Are my fluffles embaressing you?

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

:D

Ahem.

No! This thread can't have degenerated that much.... Can it? :(

I think he should at least charge 7.50

:eek:

Meaty-licious superbabe! Oh oh... I feel...

*Think of Margaret Thatcher on a cold day. Margaret Thatcher on a cold day...*

*lol

At least you didn't run to get your camcorder straight away :D

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Oh? Are my fluffles embaressing you?

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

:D

Well, I'm not complaining. ^_^ :fluffle:

Ahem, indeed.

No! This thread can't have degenerated that much.... Can it? :(Not if it keeps you from correcting your nose... ;)

I think he should at least charge 7.50

Yes, that sounds a bit more respectable :p

I think he should at least charge 7.50

Pffft. It's a competetive market. I would charge more if Xislakilinia got naked.

Ahem.

Oh, sorry, fluffles for you too :p

:fluffle: :fluffle:

*lol

At least you didn't run to get your camcorder straight away :D

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Um, yes, I do believe it was him that got us into trouble last time :p

Pffft. It's a competetive market. I would charge more if Xislakilinia got naked.

I guess then the mods would close the joint ....

Well, I'm not complaining. ^_^ :fluffle:

Ahem, indeed.

Ah good, someone who can appreciate a fine fluffle :D

:fluffle:

*Adds £2.50 to the cover charge*

Hawt.

Um, yes, I do believe it was him that got us into trouble last time :p

Ah, well. It was fun :D

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

But I don't think I'd want to do that again, that's what MSN is for ;)

No! This thread can't have degenerated that much.... Can it? :(

Well, to keep this discussion intellectual, why don't we talk about what are the physical ideals that women would want plastic surgery to achieve.

Are there certain looks that are "timeless"? As opposed to going under the knife for excessive F-cups and (horrors!) implanting whiskers or something.

Not if it keeps you from correcting your nose... ;)

Remember everyone, this is supposed to be a thread about plastic surgery! :p

What do you think of (elective) plastic surgery for purely cosmetic purposes?
Have you or would you ever consider it?

I sometimes think my nose would look better if it was a bit smaller, but even if I could afford it, I'm not sure I would go through with it.

Be happy with what you've got. :) I am not inclined to alter my appearance in any way to conform to today's expectations of 'beauty' (for want of a better word) and I am of the opinion that spending thousands to have botox injections or breast implants is a complete waste of money.

It is however your right to choose whether or not you want an 'enhancement', but you have to ask yourself; is it REALLY worth it?

Ah, well. It was fun :D

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

But I don't think I'd want to do that again, that's what MSN is for ;)

Yes, being banned or warned = Bad :(

Well, to keep this discussion intellectual, why don't we talk about what are the physical ideals that women would want plastic surgery to achieve.

Are there certain looks that are "timeless"? As opposed to going under the knife for excessive F-cups and (horrors!) implanting whiskers or something.

I think regular facial features can be regarded as timeless. But then again, too regular and I won't be able to reconise you when seeing you in the street...

Well, to keep this discussion intellectual, why don't we talk about what are the physical ideals that women would want plastic surgery to achieve.

Are there certain looks that are "timeless"? As opposed to going under the knife for excessive F-cups and (horrors!) implanting whiskers or something.

I've always thought button noses are cute.
So, I consider mine to be bigger than ideal, it's not as bad as it could be, but it's not what I consider perfect either...

Well, to keep this discussion intellectual, why don't we talk about what are the physical ideals that women would want plastic surgery to achieve.

Are there certain looks that are "timeless"? As opposed to going under the knife for excessive F-cups and (horrors!) implanting whiskers or something.
No, there aren't. Compare today's "woman of beauty" with that of the fifties, then that of the Victorian era, then with statues of the great Venus and Aphrodite of the classical era. Ech epitome of beauty is wildly different...

Ah, well. It was fun :D

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

But I don't think I'd want to do that again, that's what MSN is for ;)

Glad you liked it :D

Still, Xisla has installed new and improved Mod-dar now scanning the NS skies. Instantly switches to intellectual mode as required.

Having said that I do like that sort of thing, maybe on some other forum.

*sigh*

Glad you liked it :D

Still, Xisla has installed new and improved Mod-dar now scanning the NS skies. Instantly switches to intellectual mode as required.

Having said that I do like that sort of thing, maybe on some other forum.

*sigh*

I considered that, too... but I just don't feel that much at home in any other forum.

No, there aren't. Compare today's "woman of beauty" with that of the fifties, then that of the Victorian era, then with statues of the great Venus and Aphrodite of the classical era. Ech epitome of beauty is wildly different...

If only the Venus body shape was still in fashion: thats me all over :(

Glad you liked it :D

Still, Xisla has installed new and improved Mod-dar now scanning the NS skies. Instantly switches to intellectual mode as required.

Having said that I do like that sort of thing, maybe on some other forum.

*sigh*

Mod-dar? Sounds convenient :D

If only the Venus body shape was still in fashion: thats me all over :(

Why would you want to go with popular fashion? Timeless beauty that has been admired for centuries has a lot more advantages, I think.
Me, I'm a bit more like a Rubens painting...

If only the Venus body shape was still in fashion: thats me all over :(
Oh, you lucky girl. Its a beautiful body shape (says the gay guy, but). Its still regarded, in fact, as very beautiful among most Western societies, just not as the epitome of what womanhood is.

No, there aren't. Compare today's "woman of beauty" with that of the fifties, then that of the Victorian era, then with statues of the great Venus and Aphrodite of the classical era. Ech epitome of beauty is wildly different...

Wildly different? I don't agree. Aren't symmetrical faces, big bright eyes, even-complexion, smooth skin, and the classic 2:3 waist-hip ratio fairly timeless?

Cross-cultural even.

Wildly different? I don't agree. Aren't symmetrical faces, big bright eyes, even-complexion, smooth skin, and the classic 2:3 waist-hip ratio fairly timeless?

Cross-cultural even.
Nope. Think of corsetry to make the waist tiny; think of tans now, or when beauty spots were the vogue; think of the eyes of nymphs and Venus statues, not really big eyes (though "bright-eyed Athena" of Homeric odes does put bright on the list), the demureness of Victorian women, and the asymmetry of the various Veni (its actually purposeful).

I considered that, too... but I just don't feel that much at home in any other forum.

Will we get in trouble in say, the spam forum? Vicious mods on the hunt?

Why would you want to go with popular fashion? Timeless beauty that has been admired for centuries has a lot more advantages, I think.
Me, I'm a bit more like a Rubens painting...

Popular fashion is what everyone thinks they want :(

I hope you're not impling that Rubens is bad? Looks yummy to me :)

Nope. Think of corsetry to make the waist tiny; think of tans now, or when beauty spots were the vogue; think of the eyes of nymphs and Venus statues, not really big eyes (though "bright-eyed Athena" of Homeric odes does put bright on the list), the demureness of Victorian women, and the asymmetry of the various Veni (its actually purposeful).

Was there any period in history when meaty boobs were consider unattractive?

Will we get in trouble in say, the spam forum? Vicious mods on the hunt?

I have a feeling we will... I'm pretty sure that more or less the same rules apply there.

*lol
I know how you feel. But then again, people don't need to be perfect to make me feel that way ;)

Personally, I just don't like this flawless appearance. It always makes me think that there have to be flaws, and if they're not in the looks, they have to be in the character...


Flawless appearances?? By who's standard? Whats the old adage about beauty and the eye of the beholder? I have never seen a flawsless human.

Was there any period in history when meaty boobs were consider unattractive?
Are you kiddnig? Again, I'm going to go for my speciality, the classical era:
http://www.kaccents.com/Pictures/15667.jpg
Yes, that's Venus.
Or
http://www.kzu.ch/fach/as/gallerie/myth/goetter/aphrodite/im_aphr/13_milo.jpg
Milo's Aphrodite.

Why would you want to go with popular fashion? Timeless beauty that has been admired for centuries has a lot more advantages, I think.
Me, I'm a bit more like a Rubens painting...

http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/rubens_jupsem.jpg

?

:D

Was there any period in history when meaty boobs were consider unattractive?

There was. During the Rokoko era, women acutally tried to flatten their breasts as far as possible....

Oh, you lucky girl. Its a beautiful body shape (says the gay guy, but). Its still regarded, in fact, as very beautiful among most Western societies, just not as the epitome of what womanhood is.

Really? Wow :)

:fluffle:

http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/rubens_jupsem.jpg

?

:D

Yep, pretty much. :D
And, hey, I like it that way.

Really? Wow :)

:fluffle:
I speak the truth in that. As a classicist, you note things like that, adn compare them... it seems big breasts are coming slowly out of fashion, as much, and maybe not only will it be a popular and beauteous body shape of aesthetic excellence, it'll also be fashionable.

Oh, and :fluffle:

I have a feeling we will... I'm pretty sure that more or less the same rules apply there.

Damned PC! Looks like we can only continue that drama in our minds.

*Closes eyes and concentrates while pressing my forefingers onto my temple.*

*X-files music in the background*

I speak the truth in that. As a classicist, you note things like that, adn compare them... it seems big breasts are coming slowly out of fashion, as much, and maybe not only will it be a popular and beauteous body shape of aesthetic excellence, it'll also be fashionable.

Oh, and :fluffle:

Sounds good to me :D

:fluffle:

Unrelated questions:
Do you know Latin?
Would you advocate the study of classical history and languages?

I ask because I am considering doing so next semester at uni. I already have several years of Latin under my belt, so I probably don't need to do any more, but you know... :)

Damned PC! Looks like we can only continue that drama in our minds.

*Closes eyes and concentrates while pressing my forefingers onto my temple.*

*X-files music in the background*

"X-files music"?? You can do better than that :D

Damned PC! Looks like we can only continue that drama in our minds.

*Closes eyes and concentrates while pressing my forefingers onto my temple.*

*X-files music in the background*

X-files?

I speak the truth in that. As a classicist, you note things like that, adn compare them... it seems big breasts are coming slowly out of fashion, as much, and maybe not only will it be a popular and beauteous body shape of aesthetic excellence, it'll also be fashionable.

Oh, and :fluffle:

How would you know? Have you been monitoring fashion mags for trends or something? :cool:

Sounds good to me :D

:fluffle:

Unrelated questions:
Do you know Latin?
Would you advocate the study of classical history and languages?

I ask because I am considering doing so next semester at uni. I already have several years of Latin under my belt, so I probably don't need to do any more, but you know... :)
Yes, hell yes, and yes, repsectively. Clasical history and languages are us. They are our culture and what we speak. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Xisla, I watch TV and see adverts, the "ideal" woman is spalshed around far too damn much (I want more of the ideal man...)

What do you think of (elective) plastic surgery for purely cosmetic purposes?
Have you or would you ever consider it?

I sometimes think my nose would look better if it was a bit smaller, but even if I could afford it, I'm not sure I would go through with it.
I'd consider it, but I probably would never do it because there will always be things I would rather spend my money on.

I'd consider it, but I probably would never do it because there will always be things I would rather spend my money on.
Like discovering the speed of ketchup leaving a bottle at a 45 degree incline?

X-files?

Err... any mysterious theme song will do. Excuse me while I engage my mind power for intellectual intercourse.

Like discovering the speed of ketchup leaving a bottle at a 45 degree incline?
Hell yes. I'm still trying to get solid numbers on the landspeed of pickle relish.

Err... any mysterious theme song will do. Excuse me while I engage my mind power for intellectual intercourse.
Surely discourse? I mean intercourse isn't intellectual, really... Or maybe you mean mental rather than intellectual?

I'd consider it, but I probably would never do it because there will always be things I would rather spend my money on.

You're just saying that because you're lucky to find a guy who loves you just the way you are. :)

If only the Venus body shape was still in fashion: thats me all over :(

But, who wants to look 'popular'?

There have always been those who liked the classical 'Venus' more than the modern mass-produced 'Olsen' types.

Yes, hell yes, and yes, repsectively. Clasical history and languages are us. They are our culture and what we speak. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Thankyou, your zest is convincing :)

But, who wants to look 'popular'?

There have always been those who liked the classical 'Venus' more than the modern mass-produced 'Olsen' types.
They're called sane men and women. The Venus was a healthy and fit shape, which was obviously needed n those days when women didn't do much work except bear children and oversee the household; and when there were so many perils to childbirth, one needed to be fit and robust.

Beautiful Darkness, my zest comes from a passion for the era. If you think you're intelligent, it really sorts the pretentious from the intellectuals.

But, who wants to look 'popular'?

There have always been those who liked the classical 'Venus' more than the modern mass-produced 'Olsen' types.

Ugh, Olsen = bad.

I guess I've had a few bad influences in my life...
Like my Mum, who is forever trying to convince me to diet :rolleyes:

Beautiful Darkness, my zest comes from a passion for the era. If you think you're intelligent, it really sorts the pretentious from the intellectuals.

Was that a suggestion that you think I might not be up to it? :confused:

Ugh, Olsen = bad.

I guess I've had a few bad influences in my life...
Like my Mum, who is forever trying to convince me to diet :rolleyes:
Tell her dieting makes you unfit. It really does... look at my defence of the Venus form above. It might give you some ideas... (yes, it came from a study of classics. See, they are useful!)

No, I'd never suggest such a thing, just that yu'll only be among those who are up to it. Its a wonderful feeling, that.

Well, it's usually pretty obvious when somebody has "had something done" so unless that sort of thing bothers you, then do whatever you want with your money. If I was going to have something done to alter my body, I'd go with the laser eye surgery. It's the only thing I can think of that might be worth the money.

On a related note, however, my coworker recently had a boob reduction. She was considered a size J (most of us think boob sizing stops at double D...guess what, it doens't) and not only was it unbelievably inconvenient for doing anything (like sitting at a diner booth, exercising, wearing clothes, etc) it also caused her bra straps to wear away her shoulder muscles, leaving permanent grooves in her skin. Plus the back problems. She said she would never go under the knife again because it's nervewracking and painful and generally a horrible experience, so I don't know how some people have cosmetic-type surgeries several times so that they're unrecognizable. Maybe they like pain.

Tell her dieting makes you unfit. It really does... look at my defence of the Venus form above. It might give you some ideas... (yes, it came from a study of classics. See, they are useful!)

No, I'd never suggest such a thing, just that yu'll only be among those who are up to it. Its a wonderful feeling, that.

:D Maybe I can get her to stop it too... on second thoughts, that's unlikely :rolleyes:.

I've always had a thing for history, I should probably roll with it for at least a while, and it will be nice to be doing a language again :)

:D Maybe I can get her to stop it too... on second thoughts, that's unlikely :rolleyes:.
Its worth a try, especially as dieting has a potential to seriously damage your health... self-inflicted anorexia, anyone?
I've always had a thing for history, I should probably roll with it for at least a while, and it will be nice to be doing a language again :)
Yup. Go for it, my advice again, and have fun.

Its worth a try, especially as dieting has a potential to seriously damage your health... self-inflicted anorexia, anyone?

Oh, don't say that :(

Yup. Go for it, my advice again, and have fun.

Will do :D
I tend to avoid things I don't enjoy :)

Oh, don't say that :(
Sorry, but its true. It might also open her eyes to the facts that current ideals of beauty are stupid and only achievable with three hours of makeup and photoshop...
Will do :D
I tend to avoid things I don't enjoy :)
Ah Epicurianism/hedonism, how sweet are thy ways...

Sorry, but its true. It might also open her eyes to the facts that current ideals of beauty are stupid and only achievable with three hours of makeup and photoshop...

But... She's my mum :(

Ah Epicurianism/hedonism, how sweet are thy ways...

Indeed, the point of life is to enjoy oneself :D

But... She's my mum :(
Which is all the more reason to stop her dieting to the point of ill health, hm?
Indeed, the point of life is to enjoy oneself :D
So hedonism? Sweet ways but perilous, deceptively sweet.

Which is all the more reason to stop her dieting to the point of ill health, hm?

I know, but I don't like hearing stuff like that about her :(

So hedonism? Sweet ways but perilous, deceptively sweet.

Hedonism- check. So far down the hedonist path, so good ;)

What do you think of (elective) plastic surgery for purely cosmetic purposes?
Have you or would you ever consider it?

i want to get liposuction. does that count?

just wanting to be a little controversial here... it seems the general consensus is that plastic surgery is unneccessary and that people are stupid for conforming to "society's" idea of beauty.
how do you feel about circumcision? arguably an unnecessary cosmetic procedure that for some reason is inflicted on unconsenting children throughout the world, but particularly in the USA where there isn't even a religious excuse! i just wanted to know what people thought, and if they would class it as cosmetic surgery, and if so, is it fair to make a baby have surgery so it looks the way you want it to?

Ugh, Olsen = bad.

I guess I've had a few bad influences in my life...
Like my Mum, who is forever trying to convince me to diet :rolleyes:

Olsen, indeed = bad.

In terms of 'famous', Jennifer Connelly, as she appeared in "Dark City" is a MUCH better role-model, I think. :)

(If you haven't seen "Dark City" - you probably should - http://www.beyondhollywood.com/moviepics/darkcity3.htm)

A balanced diet is good. The principle that is CALLED 'dieting' is bad for the body, because it's only effect on the metabolism is to make the body think it is starving, which puts us in 'starvation mode', and means we actually preferentially store fats.

Everyone has a 'right shape'... but it differs from body to body. And people shouldn't try to fit THEIR body into the 'shape' of a different one.

i want to get liposuction. does that count?

Yes, I believe so.

I know, but I don't like hearing stuff like that about her :(
In that case I apologise and I'll shut up... now.
Hedonism- check. So far down the hedonist path, so good ;)
Pah. As I say, its deceptive. Epicurianism looks to the future; that which is pleasureable and not harmful to you is good. Hedonism is purely that which is pleasureable is good. Its the difference with sleeping with a guy with an STD who looks better or sleeping with the slightly worse looking but healthy guy...


LaMondia circumcision is exactly that, a generally nonelective cosmetic procedure. I dislike it the same degree as I dislike the rest


Liposuction can have health benefits in some cases... it depends why you're getting it.

Yes, I believe so.
well then, you have my answer. it probably is to fit in with 'societies' norms, but i don't care what the reason is - i'm just sick of being a fat fuck. sick of being judged for it, and sick of seeing myself, and feeling, like this

well then, you have my answer. it probably is to fit in with 'societies' norms, but i don't care what the reason is - i'm just sick of being a fat fuck. sick of being judged for it, and sick of seeing myself, and feeling, like this
That's more health reasons. Mental health, just as if not more important than, physical health.

Olsen, indeed = bad.

In terms of 'famous', Jennifer Connelly, as she appeared in "Dark City" is a MUCH better role-model, I think. :)

(If you haven't seen "Dark City" - you probably should - http://www.beyondhollywood.com/moviepics/darkcity3.htm)

A balanced diet is good. The principle that is CALLED 'dieting' is bad for the body, because it's only effect on the metabolism is to make the body think it is starving, which puts us in 'starvation mode', and means we actually preferentially store fats.

Everyone has a 'right shape'... but it differs from body to body. And people shouldn't try to fit THEIR body into the 'shape' of a different one.

I shall check out that movie, that pic looks good, and the review sounds interesting :)

In that case I apologise and I'll shut up... now.

Pah. As I say, its deceptive. Epicurianism looks to the future; that which is pleasureable and not harmful to you is good. Hedonism is purely that which is pleasureable is good. Its the difference with sleeping with a guy with an STD who looks better or sleeping with the slightly worse looking but healthy guy...


It's ok, I'm sorry, but I guess I'm kinda protective of her.

Ah, but it's pleasureably good not to get an STD :p

Ah, but it's pleasureably good not to get an STD :p
In terms of hedonism its not, because that's looking longterm whereas hedonism is pleasure at the moment and fuck the consequences (I guess literally in some cases?)

In terms of hedonism its not, because that's looking longterm whereas hedonism is pleasure at the moment and fuck the consequences (I guess literally in some cases?)

Oh ok, I guess my view of it was a little out of whack... But that's why I'm going to study all this stuff soon :)

Oh ok, I guess my view of it was a little out of whack... But that's why I'm going to study all this stuff soon :)
And its why I love it... it just means you know things that are oddly and wierdly applicable to life.

I shall check out that movie, that pic looks good, and the review sounds interesting :)

"Dark City" is one of the movies I always 'push'... :) Partly because it has Jennifer Connelly in such a positive female-shape role - rare enough in 'Hollywood' - but partly because it is an important , but overlooked, keystone in recent movie history... the Matrix draws heavily on "Dark City"... not least the fact that the Matrix movies actually re-use sets made FOR "Dark City".

"Dark City" is one of the movies I always 'push'... :) Partly because it has Jennifer Connelly in such a positive female-shape role - rare enough in 'Hollywood' - but partly because it is an important , but overlooked, keystone in recent movie history... the Matrix draws heavily on "Dark City"... not least the fact that the Matrix movies actually re-use sets made FOR "Dark City".

Oh, don't talk to me about the Matrix, I missed the second one, and never understood the last one :s

Oh, don't talk to me about the Matrix, I missed the second one, and never understood the last one :s
You didn't want to see the second or understand the last. They didn't live up t the first, nor (made by the same people) their latter V For Vendetta.

You didn't want to see the second or understand the last. They didn't live up t the first, nor (made by the same people) their latter V For Vendetta.

Are you really only 16? *Eyes you suspiciously*

Are you really only 16? *Eyes you suspiciously*
Yup. I just saw the second and third ones in cinemas... extralegally, shall we say?

Yup. I just saw the second and third ones in cinemas... extralegally, shall we say?

lol I'm impressed, you sound older. :)

lol I'm impressed, you sound older. :)
I keep getting told that, and I can't decide whether or not its a good thing. its a matter of lovng to learn, and therefore doing so outside schooltime...

That's more health reasons. Mental health, just as if not more important than, physical health.
damn right... both are important. and both suffer from being fat (at least, with me)

I keep getting told that, and I can't decide whether or not its a good thing. its a matter of lovng to learn, and therefore doing so outside schooltime...

You remind me of myself... Before I got to University :rolleyes:

Hey, does that mean my Latin is superior to yours? I did 6 years worth :D

damn right... both are important. and both suffer from being fat (at least, with me)

IIRC, you don't look that fat in the pics you have posted on here...

damn right... both are important. and both suffer from being fat (at least, with me)
Seemingly so, in which lyposuction is a health and not a cosmetic issue.

Beautiful Darkness... it might be, but is you Classical Greek superior to mine? :D

Oh, don't talk to me about the Matrix, I missed the second one, and never understood the last one :s

:D

The Matrix WAS over-rated.... actually - perfect metaphor for the topic of this thread - it was 'pretty' but shallow, form greatly outweighing content.

The best way to watch The Matrix, is the same as the best way to read the Chronicles of Narnia - bear in mind that much of what you 'see' is retelling Biblical tales...

Beautiful Darkness... it might be, but is you Classical Greek superior to mine? :D

'Fraid that's highly unlikely, I've never done Classical Greek :p

But is that a yes, I've done more Latin than you? ;)

'Fraid that's highly unlikely, I've never done Classical Greek :p

But is that a yes, I've done more Latin than you? ;)
More latin, yes. But that doesn't mean your latin is better; have you ever given it a real test... like translating some of Virgil?

:D

The Matrix WAS over-rated.... actually - perfect metaphor for the topic of this thread - it was 'pretty' but shallow, form greatly outweighing content.

The best way to watch The Matrix, is the same as the best way to read the Chronicles of Narnia - bear in mind that much of what you 'see' is retelling Biblical tales...

Biblical tales, huh?

That was another movie that sucked; Narnia.

Biblical tales, huh?

That was another movie that sucked; Narnia.
Yup, would have been nice if it was closer to the original even if that was an introduction to the Bible for kids in many ways... bah.

IIRC, you don't look that fat in the pics you have posted on here...
carefully chosen images :p

More latin, yes. But that doesn't mean your latin is better; have you ever given it a real test... like translating some of Virgil?

Are you kidding?

Of course I have :)

My final exam covered a chapter of the Aeneid... number 6, IIRC

carefully chosen images :p

Sure sure :p

Are you kidding?

Of course I have :)

My final exam covered a chapter of the Aeneid... number 6, IIRC
Good, good, then you should be able to translate the Virgil quote in my signature... one of the most famous.

Choosing images carefully to preserve self-esteem, PM? Why do you think I don't post any here, I need all the self-esteem I got, I can't afford to lose any!

Good, good, then you should be able to translate the Virgil quote in my signature... one of the most famous.

*Rolls up sleeves*
Where is that sig?

*Rolls up sleeves*
Where is that sig?
...Just under all my posts? Surely you can't have missed it? :D

"litora litoribus contraria, fluctibus undas imprecor, arma armis; pugnent ipsique nepotesque" - Queen Dido of Carthage, as quoted by Virgil, Aeneid IV:628-629

...Just under all my posts? Surely you can't have missed it? :D

(Not everyone has sigs enabled - I didn't at all, for about the first year I was on NS...)

(Not everyone has sigs enabled - I didn't at all, for about the first year I was on NS...)
Someone with a signature, however, logically must have signatures enbled!

Someone with a signature, however, logically must have signatures enbled!

Err... umm... you'd think, right?

*hides under desk*

Err... umm... you'd think, right?

*hides under desk*
Its what I tend to do, yes, thinking is rather habit-forming you know.