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No matter how much I hate Christianity, I can't deny that Islam is definetely the worst religion right now. The cartoon debacle, 9/11, killing and/or issuing death threats to people who criticize islam, and the way they treat their women makes me disgusted with islam and everything it stands for. If I was to say that Jesus was a two-cent liar and the lowliest of the lowliest beggars, that Mohammed was a sadistic piece of shit, and that Buddha was a silly fat man on shrooms,(things which I believe, by the way) I would only be killed for the Mohammed comment. I realize that most Muslims wouldn't harm me if I made that comment in front of them, but there are some that would, and it seems to me like there are more of those kinds of people (if you can call them that) in Islam than there are in any other reiligion.

The point of this is that it's an exercise in free speech, free from political correctness. We shouldn't be afraid to criticize other people or religions just because it's considered racist or prejudiced. While I understand that not all (indeed many) muslims aren't violent and are perfectly upstanding people, Islam is definetely the most violent religion right now and anyone who denies this has no intellectual honesty whatsoever.

Oh, this will be a fun thread.

Personally, I think its Judaism. It seems to have spawned the other worst religions. And of course Jews control the media and government too. But I'm sure the Jewish-controlled 'conservatives' will be along any moment to rant about the evils of Islam, just like they've been trained by Jewish media to do!

Islam, easy.

Do you mean the teachings or the people?

Islam, easy.
thank you.
Oh, this will be a fun thread.

Personally, I think its Judaism. It seems to have spawned the other worst religions. And of course Jews control the media and government too. But I'm sure the Jewish-controlled 'conservatives' will be along any moment to rant about the evils of Islam, just like they've been trained by Jewish media to do!
1. Yes it will;)
2. I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but I really don't think it's judaism.

how terribly arrogant, narrow minded and short sighted

None of the above. Scientology- and it's worrying because people actually believe it and get a vote

how terribly arrogant, narrow minded and short sighted
Yes i do think your post is that.

Do you mean the teachings or the people?
Uhh...I guess the people. Yeah, the people, since I'm anything but an Islamic scholar, all I can go by is their actions, and I don't like what I see.

how terribly arrogant, narrow minded and short sighted

D/w im sure Islam, Christianity, Buddhism and Judaism all hate him too

how terribly arrogant, narrow minded and short sighted
I know, huh? We really could do with less of this terribly arrogant, narrow minded and short sighted free speech.

Uhh...I guess the people. Yeah, the people, since I'm anything but an Islamic scholar, all I can go by is their actions, and I don't like what I see.

Here would be my list (Worst to last).

1. Islam
2. Christianity
3. Judaism
4. Bhudism

Hmm, i feel so outspoken and un pc, but isn't that a good thing sometimes?

They are all equally unworthy.

Liasia']None of the above. Scientology- and it's worrying because people actually believe it and get a vote
Scientology is worse than a religion - it's a brainwashing based scam.

Liasia']D/w im sure Islam, Christianity, Buddhism and Judaism all hate him too
I don't like any religion. Someone previously stated that Scientology is the worst, and I would say it's definetely the silliest, but that's all it is-silly. Islam, on the other hand, is dangerous. Christianity isn't far behind. IMHO.

The ideas behind each religion are fine, honestly.

Any large organisation, be it a religion, a political movement, or whatever - a sport even - attracts the terrible minority. Islam is the worst afflicted at the moment, Christianity has a whole series of wars to it's name, Judaism is partially responsible for several genocides, recorded in their own holy book; liberty equality and fraternity was similarly responsible for massive internal convulsions and external wars in Revolutionary France....

Ideologies attract these people, and the human race has plenty of them to offer.
So no religion is worst. I have not voted.

I would vote for all religions, but since I couldn't I voted for Christianity because even though Islam is pretty bad right now, Christians have done a lot of worse stuff in the past.(i.e. Crusades)

Scientology is worse than a religion - it's a brainwashing based scam.

what's your point? I can't see the difference to be honest.

Liasia']None of the above. Scientology- and it's worrying because people actually believe it and get a vote
Agreed. Scientology embodies the worst aspects of religion; it's confrontational, it steals money from gullible saps, keeps them deliberately ignorant, makes them think they're benefitting from all this, bases the whole lot on completely irrational and unverifiable (even disprovable, which is worse than can be said for the others) claims about what goes on inside their heads and uses the power it gains over them to further their own political agenda.

It's like Islam and Christianity without the charity.

The ideas behind each religion are fine, honestly.

Any large organisation, be it a religion, a political movement, or whatever - a sport even - attracts the terrible minority. Islam is the worst afflicted at the moment, Christianity has a whole series of wars to it's name, Judaism is partially responsible for several genocides, recorded in their own holy book; liberty equality and fraternity was similarly responsible for massive internal convulsions and external wars in Revolutionary France....

Ideologies attract these people, and the human race has plenty of them to offer.
So no religion is worst. I have not voted.
Right, that's exactly what I'm trying to say.

You can't really identify one religion as the worst. Every religion has its share of nutcases... Islam has the radical fundamentalist terrorists, Christianity has Pat Robertson, et cetera. But no one religion is worse than any other religions. They each have their positives and negatives, but none is better or worse than any other.

Except Scientology. Thats worse than any others.

EDIT: I would also like to note that Buddah wasn't actually fat. In fact, it is written that he achieved enlightenment by starving himself for many days.

Liasia']what's your point? I can't see the difference to be honest.
Um...Tom Cruise?

Liasia']what's your point? I can't see the difference to be honest.

How original

Liasia']what's your point? I can't see the difference to be honest.
No, I mean really a brainwashing scam, as in, it was always meant to be.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/L._Ron_Hubbard#Origins_of_Scientology
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/TR/critique.html

Right, that's exactly what I'm trying to say.

Anything you can blame on a religion you can attribute to other factors.

You can't really identify one religion as the worst. Every religion has its share of nutcases... Islam has the radical fundamentalist terrorists, Christianity has Pat Robertson, et cetera. But no one religion is worse than any other religions. They each have their positives and negatives, but none is better or worse than any other.

Except Scientology. Thats worse than any others.
It seems to me like in Islam, the nutcases have more influence than in any other religion.

How original

Ah shush.

Dude, just because Islam at the moment seems to have more than it's share of nutcases...in the times of the Reformation they're the ones who took in Jews expelled from Christian countries. So taking a long view, you can't judge Islam as worse.

Um...Tom Cruise?

So no celebrity has ever endorsed a decent religion? Er cliff richard.

Liasia']Anything you can blame on a religion you can attribute to other factors.
And yet if it wasn't for religion, countless wars wouldn't have been fought, and while we certainly would not be living in peace and harmony, we wouldn't have any of this jihad bullshit, or crusades bullshit, or...well you get the point.

Sidenote: I find it highly ironic that the muslims don't want the person they idolize to be idolized by being drawn.

Now: Islam. Before: Catholicism (I regard the medievil catholic church largely against fundamental christian princibles and therefore a different religion.)

Liasia']So no celebrity has ever endorsed a decent religion? Er cliff richard.
He's referring to Tom Cruise's craziness, not his celebrity.

Dude, just because Islam at the moment seems to have more than it's share of nutcases...in the times of the Reformation they're the ones who took in Jews expelled from Christian countries. So taking a long view, you can't judge Islam as worse.

Sure you can! And they will!

Islam will get the majority vote on this forum, because people have been programmed by media which tries its hardest to show how all Muslims are head-chopping, baby-eating, rioting, women-beating, bomb-hugging terrorist barbarians.

That same media will never, ever show Jews in a bad light.

Dude, just because Islam at the moment seems to have more than it's share of nutcases...in the times of the Reformation they're the ones who took in Jews expelled from Christian countries. So taking a long view, you can't judge Islam as worse.
So where is that charity and goodwill now? Would any Middle Eastern country take in Jews if there was another Holocaust? Somehow, I don't think so. I wasn't trying to make a historical point, I was referring to the here and now. Because in the present, Islam is the only one that I truly feel threatened by.

Now: Islam. Before: Catholicism (I regard the medievil catholic church largely against fundamental christian princibles and therefore a different religion.
Southern Baptism kicks Catholicism's ass in the "Politic-minded bigotry" department at the minute, though.

And yet if it wasn't for religion, countless wars wouldn't have been fought, and while we certainly would not be living in peace and harmony, we wouldn't have any of this jihad bullshit, or crusades bullshit, or...well you get the point.

Sidenote: I find it highly ironic that the muslims don't want the person they idolize to be idolized by being drawn.

That's the church and the people at its head, not the principles of religion. if everone followed the 'kindness' thing in Christianity i wouldn't have a problem with it. They don't, so i do

Who are you to judge, Hydesland?
The current Muslims you think are the worst are against fundamental Muslim principles.
We still call 'em Muslims, cos that's what they call themselves. The medieval Catholics called themselves Christians.

Sure you can! And they will!

Islam will get the majority vote on this forum, because people have been programmed by media which tries its hardest to show how all Muslims are head-chopping, baby-eating, rioting, women-beating, bomb-hugging terrorist barbarians.

That same media will never, ever show Jews in a bad light.

I live in the U.K, and i don't think ive ever seen a program rubbishing islam. In the USA it may be a totaly different story.

He's referring to Tom Cruise's craziness, not his celebrity.

And mission impossible 3 was arse. damn you Tom Cruise!

To pervert an old Zen saying, "They are all the worst."

Who are you to judge, Hydesland?
The current Muslims you think are the worst are against fundamental Muslim principles.
We still call 'em Muslims, cos that's what they call themselves. The medieval Catholics called themselves Christians.

Ahh yes but are you entirely sure that Muslims go against there prime teachings? Maybe you should go check that out.

Sure you can! And they will!

Islam will get the majority vote on this forum, because people have been programmed by media which tries its hardest to show how all Muslims are head-chopping, baby-eating, rioting, women-beating, bomb-hugging terrorist barbarians.

That same media will never, ever show Jews in a bad light.
I would agree that some of Israel's policies are quite distasteful, but no matter what the media portrays, I still find Islam to be the most violent. For example, all the suicide bombers are Muslims, not Jewish. Explain that.

And yet if it wasn't for religion, countless wars wouldn't have been fought,

What makes you so confident? Religion is a crutch, a tool. If it wasn't for religion, religious wars would have been fought for some OTHER pretense.

Kind of like how even if there were no real WMDs in Iraq, Bush would have used the pretense of UN Resolutions. And even if that failed, he would have used the "they support terrorists" excuse. And if that failed, the "he tried to kill my daddy" justification. And if that failed...

...and on and on and on.

Governments want their wars. And when they want them, nothing will stop them. No religion? Fine. No religion in the USSR, but there's always war for The Party.

You have a naive viewpoint that just because a rapist might use the excuse that he played a game called "Rape," he never would have raped had that game not existed.

Rapists, too, will use any excuse.

In the end, its about power. Nothing more, nothing less. The death toll would be the same.

What makes you so confident? Religion is a crutch, a tool. If it wasn't for religion, religious wars would have been fought for some OTHER pretense.

Kind of like how even if there were no real WMDs in Iraq, Bush would have used the pretense of UN Resolutions. And even if that failed, he would have used the "they support terrorists" excuse. And if that failed, the "he tried to kill my daddy" justification. And if that failed...

...and on and on and on.

Governments want their wars. And when they want them, nothing will stop them. No religion? Fine. No religion in the USSR, but there's always war for The Party.

You have a naive viewpoint that just because a rapist might use the excuse that he played a game called "Rape," he never would have raped had that game not existed.

Rapists, too, will use any excuse.

In the end, its about power. Nothing more, nothing less. The death toll would be the same.

Finally! I was waiting for someone with lots of posts to say that:D

Santa Barbara, ok people can, but they shouldn't, is I think my point.

And I'm considering...if you will the fundamental principles of the religion, not it's current or historical form.
So it doesn't matter that (most) current Muslim countries wouldn't take in exiles from a totally different culture. What matters is that being a country that does take in exiles is compatible with being a Muslim country.

I live in the U.K, and i don't think ive ever seen a program rubbishing islam. In the USA it may be a totaly different story.
To the best of my knowledge, there aren't any programs "rubbishing" Islam either, but some comedians on TV make jokes about them.

What a ridiculous question - worst at what? Being nice to people? Playing football? Getting out of bed in the morning? All religions have good and bad points, and asking such a loose question is just encouraging people to make sweeping generalisations, usualy based upon the small amount of knowlege they may have picked up from the media.

What a ridiculous question - worst at what? Being nice to people? Playing football? Getting out of bed in the morning? All religions have good and bad points, and asking such a loose question is just encouraging people to make sweeping generalisations, usualy based upon the small amount of knowlege they may have picked up from the media.
Yes. Try using that criteria and tell me what you come up with.

I would agree that some of Israel's policies are quite distasteful, but no matter what the media portrays, I still find Islam to be the most violent. For example, all the suicide bombers are Muslims, not Jewish. Explain that.

Well, let's think. Israel gets defense funding from the USA, has for years. They're a wealthy nation with a "get out of UN violations free" card. They don't NEED suicide bombers. They can just build their walls, fuck Palestinians over through economic and social outlawry. Palestinians don't. They can't.

People with tanks don't need to resort to suicide bombing.

What a ridiculous question - worst at what? Being nice to people? Playing football? Getting out of bed in the morning? All religions have good and bad points, and asking such a loose question is just encouraging people to make sweeping generalisations, usualy based upon the small amount of knowlege they may have picked up from the media.

Thats the fun of it all:D

I WAS THE FIRST TO VOTE THAT JEWDAISM IS THE WORST!
i just didnt fell like saying anything till others did. :upyours:

I'd say that the so-called "teachings" of religions aren't really what makes the difference. It's simply that most conformist movements have a religion attached to them and they choose to enforce that religion to a brutal extent.

What makes you so confident? Religion is a crutch, a tool. If it wasn't for religion, religious wars would have been fought for some OTHER pretense.

Kind of like how even if there were no real WMDs in Iraq, Bush would have used the pretense of UN Resolutions. And even if that failed, he would have used the "they support terrorists" excuse. And if that failed, the "he tried to kill my daddy" justification. And if that failed...

...and on and on and on.

Governments want their wars. And when they want them, nothing will stop them. No religion? Fine. No religion in the USSR, but there's always war for The Party.

You have a naive viewpoint that just because a rapist might use the excuse that he played a game called "Rape," he never would have raped had that game not existed.

Rapists, too, will use any excuse.

In the end, its about power. Nothing more, nothing less. The death toll would be the same.
What about the Reformation? How about the Spanish Inquisition? You see, religion does cause wars. It may not be the only factor, but it's most certainly one of them.

I WAS THE FIRST TO VOTE THAT JEWDAISM IS THE WORST!
i just didnt fell like saying anything till others did. :upyours:

You're really special, you know that?
:rolleyes:
Spelt Judaism wrong.

Ahh yes but are you entirely sure that Muslims go against there prime teachings? Maybe you should go check that out.

I trust my limited knowledge of Islamic theology, combined with the far more extensive knowledge of my multiple Muslim friends, some of them really quite devout and well-read in their religion, both in knowledge of the Koran and of the Hadith.
Their unanimous opinion is that suicide bombings are against the teachings of Islam; that the '72 virgins' is not valid theologically; and that Wahhabi Islam, the form most responsible for global Islamic terrorism, is not true Islam at all.

While I understand that not all (indeed many) muslims aren't violent and are perfectly upstanding people, Islam is definetely the most violent religion right now and anyone who denies this has no intellectual honesty whatsoever.
So... How has Islam drastically changed in the last couple of years to suddenly make it "the most violent religion"?
Uhh...I guess the people. Yeah, the people, since I'm anything but an Islamic scholar, all I can go by is their actions, and I don't like what I see.
Oh, so it's NOT about the RELIGION after all then, it's just about the people...

Still want to call Islam the most violent religion I expect, even if you don't seem to know that much about it.
(Psst! Your intellectual honesty is showing...)

All righty then. Thank you, and have a nice "sweeping generalizations-day".

Yes. Try using that criteria and tell me what you come up with.



Ahhh, but that isnt the question that was posted, is it?

What about the Reformation? How about the Spanish Inquisition? You see, religion does cause wars. It may not be the only factor, but it's most certainly one of them.

The Spanish Inquisition wasn't a war. It was just an excuse to get rid of "undesirables."

The Reformation wasn't exactly a war either. But when wars were involved along its axis, it was just an excuse for powermongering and landgrabbing.

Religion causes nothing. People cause wars.

Well, let's think. Israel gets defense funding from the USA, has for years. They're a wealthy nation with a "get out of UN violations free" card. They don't NEED suicide bombers. They can just build their walls, fuck Palestinians over through economic and social outlawry. Palestinians don't. They can't.

People with tanks don't need to resort to suicide bombing.
Fine, lets say 1000 people in the USA piss on the Torah, and it's on CNN the next day. Nothing happens. Now let's say 1000 people piss on the Koran, and it's on CNN the next day. You fill in the rest.

I would say that Aztec one where they rip our heart out and eat it and then throw your twitching corpse down the pyramid steps to be eaten by the crowd.
But thats just MY opinion, of course.

And religion is never more than a pretext for war.
If nothing else, consider that most medieval and reformation-era states in Europe, at least, were in a state of near-constant warfare.
The Crusades were in many ways a cunning trick to get the fighting out of Europe, and have the fighting men of Europe so occupied in the Levant that they were less able to cause trouble at home.

judaism is the worst, without it we wouldnt have christianity or islam.

So... How has Islam drastically changed in the last couple of years to suddenly make it "the most violent religion"?

Oh, so it's NOT about the RELIGION after all then, it's just about the people...

Still want to call Islam the most violent religion I expect, even if you don't seem to know that much about it.
(Psst! Your intellectual honesty is showing...)

All righty then. Thank you, and have a nice "sweeping generalizations-day".
1. It hasn't drastically changed. It's been like that for a while. Remember Salman Rushdie? That wasn't in the last decade or so, but not in the last couple of years.
2. So would you rather have me say that Muslims are the worst? Because if that's so, then you could call me a racist anyway, like you are right now. If there are more loonies who call themselves muslims than there are in any religion, I will say that islam is the worst.

So what? We'd have Mithraism or something instead. Same issues, different terminology.

Fine, lets say 1000 people in the USA piss on the Torah, and it's on CNN the next day. Nothing happens.

Yeah right! The ADL sues every one of them and they get universally labelled as anti-semites.

I bet you're the same kind of guy who thinks video games cause violence.

I would say that Aztec one where they rip our heart out and eat it and then throw your twitching corpse down the pyramid steps to be eaten by the crowd.
But thats just MY opinion, of course.
Yeah, that sounds pretty bad. But I meant rightnow, not 500 years ago.

how terribly arrogant, narrow minded and short sighted
Yes you are!

lol...there is no "worst religion". There are some worst practitioners though.

And why is hinduism left out? hindus can be pretty stupid too...

I know which is best ..... Masherism!

Yeah right! The ADL sues every one of them and they get universally labelled as anti-semites.

I bet you're the same kind of guy who thinks video games cause violence.
Sure, they may get labeled and sued. However, the courts will most likely acquit them. Now if they piss on the Koran, they're liable to get killed.

People, there are extremists on every side of the playing field. You don't have to be Islamic to be a terrorist, and just because you're Islamic doesn't make you a terrorist.

All this about hating Islam is just the most recent fad the media has latched onto for good ratings because they know they can feed people this stuff and keep them watching. If they started filming 8-year-old girls working in sweatshops in China then everyone would be up in arms about Communism or outsourcing or something to that effect.

It's just like back when everyone was reporting on a few sick individuals in the Catholic church (who don't deserve top be called human, by the way), so now everyone see's us as child-molesting psudo-Christians. Which it is completly rediculous to base a religion with a billion followers worldwide on a handfull of perverts.

People just rant on what they've seen in the news, I see it every day.

From what I've seen, it looks like this should be reworded to - Who has the worst followers?

If you look at all of these religions, none of them are bad. They all preach peace and civilised talk above all others. The most violent would have to be Judaism, which draws references to the Exodus every six passages, but I'm not here to criticize the Jews.

1. It hasn't drastically changed. It's been like that for a while. Remember Salman Rushdie? That wasn't in the last decade or so, but not in the last couple of years.
2. So would you rather have me say that Muslims are the worst? Because if that's so, then you could call me a racist anyway, like you are right now. If there are more loonies who call themselves muslims than there are in any religion, I will say that islam is the worst.

1. It took from...at a conservative estimate...the Crusades in the 11th century, to the mid-17th, for Christianity to recover from that state.
2. Muslims are not a race. They encompass every race from Africa to East Asia, and in recent times many others as well.
According to some estimates, Islam is the largest religion in the world. They can have the same proportion, and still come off worst according to that.

People, there are extremists on every side of the playing field. You don't have to be Islamic to be a terrorist, and just because you're Islamic doesn't make you a terrorist.

All this about hating Islam is just the most recent fad the media has latched onto for good ratings because they know they can feed people this stuff and keep them watching. If they started filming 8-year-old girls working in sweatshops in China then everyone would be up in arms about Communism or outsourcing or something to that effect.

It's just like back when everyone was reporting on a few sick individuals in the Catholic church (who don't deserve top be called human, by the way), so now everyone see's us as child-molesting psudo-Christians. Which it is completly rediculous to base a religion with a billion followers worldwide on a handfull of perverts.

People just rant on what they've seen in the news, I see it every day.
No one calls Catholics as a whole child molesting perverts. And even though there are some really loony freaks in your religion, they don't have as much power as the ones in islam.

No one calls Catholics as a whole child molesting perverts. And even though there are some really loony freaks in your religion, they don't have as much power as the ones in islam.

Have you ever heard of the KKK?

Sure, they may get labeled and sued. However, the courts will most likely acquit them. Now if they piss on the Koran, they're liable to get killed.

My fat hairy ass they're liable to get killed. If you're that paranoid, you'd best stop posting now - they'll come after yoooou!

And the courts wouldn't acquit them. At least not without a long, costly court battle in which the ADL is still wealthy and those who pissed on the Torah are now broke. And the media would still portray them as anti-semites. They'd probably have a hard time getting a job anywhere. There'd be a follow-up program on CNN about the rise of anti-semitism.

1. It took from...at a conservative estimate...the Crusades in the 11th century, to the mid-17th, for Christianity to recover from that state.
2. Muslims are not a race. They encompass every race from Africa to East Asia, and in recent times many others as well.
According to some estimates, Islam is the largest religion in the world. They can have the same proportion, and still come off worst according to that.
1. Not once have I defended Christianity. I hate it with every fiber of my body, but I hate islam with every fiber of my body and then some.
2. I know. In retrospect, it would probably have been better to use the word prejudiced.

<Ahem> Pope Benedict <Ahem>
Nasty coughing fit there. He's less psychotic, but wields more power than any single Muslim. And from the perspective of an agnostic, he's not a massively reassuring figure, shall we say?

Have you ever heard of the KKK?

Or seen Mississipi Burning (i think that's what the film is called)?

My fat hairy ass they're liable to get killed. If you're that paranoid, you'd best stop posting now - they'll come after yoooou!

And the courts wouldn't acquit them. At least not without a long, costly court battle in which the ADL is still wealthy and those who pissed on the Torah are now broke. And the media would still portray them as anti-semites. They'd probably have a hard time getting a job anywhere. There'd be a follow-up program on CNN about the rise of anti-semitism.
During the cartoon debacle, christians in nigeria were killed and even the "protesters"-more like hooligans and rioters were killed during their "protests." Just for the record, what is this ADL you keep on bringing up? I've never heard of them

1. Not once have I defended Christianity. I hate it with every fiber of my body, but I hate islam with every fiber of my body and then some.
2. I know. In retrospect, it would probably have been better to use the word prejudiced.

Ok, I just think it's unfair...given that if you tally up the number of deaths which can be blamed on each religion (or can be blamed on politics, or just some people being murderous psychos who'll take any excuse) then i doubt they're that uneven, and Christianity is probably marginally ahead.

<Ahem> Pope Benedict <Ahem>
Nasty coughing fit there. He's less psychotic, but wields more power than any single Muslim. And from the perspective of an agnostic, he's not a massively reassuring figure, shall we say?
You mean Ratzinger?

Although i don't think their is such a thing as a 'worst religion', i think that right now, Islam is causing the world more harm than any other religion. Right after Islam would be Christianity, the Judaism, and then Buddhism.

<Ahem> Pope Benedict <Ahem>
Nasty coughing fit there. He's less psychotic, but wields more power than any single Muslim. And from the perspective of an agnostic, he's not a massively reassuring figure, shall we say?
You mean Ratzinger?

No one calls Catholics as a whole child molesting perverts. And even though there are some really loony freaks in your religion, they don't have as much power as the ones in islam.

I know, and sorry didn't mean to generalize. I have though gotten alot of ill-informed questions about my own beliefs from various people because of that. Sorry, it's just hard being one of the few Catholics in my mostly Protestant school.

You mean Ratzinger?

Or Pope Benedict the Sixteenth, as he is now known. I can't really justify it, but that man worries me. And it's not because I think he's a Nazi, either - I still don't understand why some people say that.

During the cartoon debacle, christians in nigeria were killed and even the "protesters"-more like hooligans and rioters were killed during their "protests." Just for the record, what is this ADL you keep on bringing up? I've never heard of them

You know why the protests were so bad?
Because a small group of 'Muslims' (they don't deserve the name, really) in Denmark decided to add two cartoons to those actually printed - which were themselves offensive, but not so massively inflammatory - which showed Mohammed as a pig, and as a child-molester. It was still an over-reaction, but knowing that the man they consider to be most holy of all men in history was shown thus...makes it more understandable.

During the cartoon debacle, christians in nigeria were killed and even the "protesters"-more like hooligans and rioters were killed during their "protests." Just for the record, what is this ADL you keep on bringing up? I've never heard of them

Oh, people were killed in Nigeria. That's news. It's one of the most corrupt and violent places on earth. They don't need cartoons to "make" them kill.

Look the ADL up yourself.

I get the feeling this is a pointless argument with you. You're ignoring arguments and just going "aha! Look, violent Muslims, therefore Islam is the most violent religion!" like a spaz.

Religion doesn't cause wars, guns don't cause murder, video games don't cause violence, TV doesn't cause sex.

When looking at religious extremes, the Islamic people behave most radically, however I don't think that really has anything to do with their religion, or religious teachings.

I think the worst religion, and worst religious teachings fall into Scientology, although for those who don't consider that a religion, I'd say I believe the next worst teachings are that of Mormonism.

Then again, I'm sure Mormons and Scientologists would disagree to disagree.

Or Pope Benedict the Sixteenth, as he is now known. I can't really justify it, but that man worries me. And it's not because I think he's a Nazi, either - I still don't understand why some people say that.

Ok, do tell, why does Pope Benedict the XVI worry you?

Ummm...general attitude, the few public actions of his that I've been aware of, the fact that any ideology with as vast a following as Catholicism worries me...
It's one of those really annoying things I can't put my finger on. And it's not that I don't like Catholics, either.

Ummm...general attitude, the few public actions of his that I've been aware of, the fact that any ideology with as vast a following as Catholicism worries me...
It's one of those really annoying things I can't put my finger on. And it's not that I don't like Catholics, either.

Well, if you're looking for something to worry about, come down and live in the Bible Belt with me, the Baptists down here are downright frightening. And trust me, the Catholics aren't gonna take over the world anytime soon. If anything it's the Fundamentalists.

Edit:

Also I can see where you're coming from, but it's probably just because he's living in the shadow of Pope John Paul II. Anything pales compared to that lol.

1. It hasn't drastically changed. It's been like that for a while. Remember Salman Rushdie? That wasn't in the last decade or so, but not in the last couple of years.
1989. But that's not really important right now.

Islam has been the way it is for quite some time, yes. I would say it's been a very long time since there were any fundamental changes.
2. So would you rather have me say that Muslims are the worst? Because if that's so, then you could call me a racist anyway, like you are right now. If there are more loonies who call themselves muslims than there are in any religion, I will say that islam is the worst.
I think Aryavartha said it well:
lol...there is no "worst religion". There are some worst practitioners though.
Your fault lies in the fact that you look solely at which religion you can call "worst" judging by the actions of it's followers, without regard for any social, political and cultural influences.

If you really want to find the worst religion, you have to look exclusively at the teachings, scriptures, rules and regulations of the religion, not the actions of the self-proclaimed followers of that religion.

The Fundies have, at a generous estimate, a hundred million true believers worldwide. The Catholic Church has one billion followers.
Even if it's ten times more benign, that makes it just as worrying.
Besides, Catholicism is a truly global thing, whereas fundamentalist Protestant Christianity is confined to a relatively narrow spread - USA, parts of Africa, a few here in Britain...

You know why the protests were so bad?
Because a small group of 'Muslims' (they don't deserve the name, really) in Denmark decided to add two cartoons to those actually printed - which were themselves offensive, but not so massively inflammatory - which showed Mohammed as a pig, and as a child-molester. It was still an over-reaction, but knowing that the man they consider to be most holy of all men in history was shown thus...makes it more understandable.
If I remember correctly, it was thousands of protesters. Hardly a small group.

Oh, people were killed in Nigeria. That's news. It's one of the most corrupt and violent places on earth. They don't need cartoons to "make" them kill.

Look the ADL up yourself.

I get the feeling this is a pointless argument with you. You're ignoring arguments and just going "aha! Look, violent Muslims, therefore Islam is the most violent religion!" like a spaz.

Religion doesn't cause wars, guns don't cause murder, video games don't cause violence, TV doesn't cause sex.
If it wasn't for the cartoons, they wouldn't have been killed. I see violent people of all religions, but muslims tend to come up more often than others. I never said guns cause murder or any of that other stuff. At the very least, religion makes wars easier because someone who is a different religion from yours is easier to dehumanize.

I wasn't talking about the protestors. I was talking about the $hit-stirrers who took something already offensive and made it totally inflammatory, just to stir conflict; and succeeded.

If it wasn't for the cartoons, they wouldn't have been killed. I see violent people of all religions, but muslims tend to come up more often than others. I never said guns cause murder or any of that other stuff. At the very least, religion makes wars easier because someone who is a different religion from yours is easier to dehumanize.

They wouldn't have been killed? Maybe until the anti-government protests the following week....
It's impossible to truly say. But the whole cartoon debacle was not really about religion, it was about politics, it was about power, and it was about social control. Unfortunately for the reputation of religion, religion is a very good - possibly the best - tool for achieving all of those.

If you really want to find the worst religion, you have to look exclusively at the teachings, scriptures, rules and regulations of the religion, not the actions of the self-proclaimed followers of that religion.
Ok, that's what I meant. I was judging by their actions.

They wouldn't have been killed? Maybe until the anti-government protests the following week....
It's impossible to truly say. But the whole cartoon debacle was not really about religion, it was about politics, it was about power, and it was about social control. Unfortunately for the reputation of religion, religion is a very good - possibly the best - tool for achieving all of those.
Exactly. Which is why it's dangerous. islam in particular.

No one calls Catholics as a whole child molesting perverts. And even though there are some really loony freaks in your religion, they don't have as much power as the ones in islam.
Weeeeeeeeeeeell...
One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

Mr Bush went on: "And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."

Mr Bush, who became a born-again Christian at 40, is one of the most overtly religious leaders to occupy the White House, a fact which brings him much support in middle America.

I wasn't talking about the protestors. I was talking about the $hit-stirrers who took something already offensive and made it totally inflammatory, just to stir conflict; and succeeded.
But there were still many muslims who took it upon themselves to "save" mohammed's honor.

Weeeeeeeeeeeell...
the point here is?

So you're attacking the fact that an organisation can use it's followers to cause harm, essentially?

So you're attacking the fact that an organisation can use it's followers to cause harm, essentially?
The followers buy into it, yknow.

But there were still many muslims who took it upon themselves to "save" mohammed's honor.

Yes, not least because some people have deliberately fostered a sense of victimhood amongst Muslims, made them feel the West is out to get them.

A rough equivalent, perhaps, is telling peasants in Europe at the time of the Reformation that the Ottomans had drawn Christ as a devil; and then presenting them with a Turk.

You forgot Scientology!

One of the delegates, Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

Mr Bush went on: "And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it."

Mr Bush, who became a born-again Christian at 40, is one of the most overtly religious leaders to occupy the White House, a fact which brings him much support in middle America.


Mr. Bush is not a Catholic, and I have to say that I doubt the validity of your claim. Whoever said that could easily have been lying, just fyi. Where did you get your information?

Yes, not least because some people have deliberately fostered a sense of victimhood amongst Muslims, made them feel the West is out to get them.

A rough equivalent, perhaps, is telling peasants in Europe at the time of the Reformation that the Ottomans had drawn Christ as a devil; and then presenting them with a Turk.
No one is out to get the muslims. All we want them to do is to assimilate into society.

The followers buy into it, yknow.

Uh, yeah. The very fact that they ARE the followers of a religion, and of one or several preachers in that religion, means they have bought into it.
From there to a particular form of the religion is only a small step given a large amount of potential recruits and some extremely talented men, with vast skill at manipulating others.

I just want to say that this thread can't accomplish anything positive. It's not really appropriate to be calling any religion "worst", maybe which one do you dislike the most, but "worst" isn't a good adjective to use.

In my view there are two different discussions here - Belief in a God, which is a personal belief and comes from within, and belief in religion, which is a man made thing and comes from without.
if someone has a faith then why do they need to join with others to support, reinforce,or justify that faith? Why is faith and religion so inseparable? Faith is a belief, however unreasoning faith in something may seem,it is a personal belief.
Religion on the other hand is a man made trades union that allows those at the top to impose their will on people, usually through either fear or brainwashing. All religions are a form of bullying. The leaders of these religions impose their will, NOT GOD'S, on their members.
From the 15th or 16th century Islam was a very enlightened and tolerant religion. What has happened over the last 100 years is not that the basic belief has changed but the chance has occurred because men in power have interpreted the scriptures for their own ends and then used them to their own ends has been the cause of change.
Those suicide bombers that have been in the news of late are as much victimes as the people they blow up.Does anyone really expect Osama Bin Lada to wrap grenades around himself and lead by example?
If you have a belief or faith then good luck to you,.Nothing and no one can take that away unless you let them but religion???? If you are a member of any club you will always be a member on their terms and not your own.

No one is out to get the muslims. All we want them to do is to assimilate into society.

Into whose society? And how far...to the extent of eating pork? Of giving up daily prayers?
Don't get me wrong - I believe that any immigrant should assimilate inasmuch as accepting the basic norms of their host country, and learning the language.
But I was directly referring to a sense amongst Muslims worldwide that the Umma is under attack from the West; which has been deliberately fostered by the same preachers who talk about the "Great Satan". On this front, the war in Iraq, as just one example, really hasn't helped.

All religion is bad, there is no worst religion, they're all worthless.
Religion is the only thing that drives otherwise good, sane people (who aren't in the armed forces) to kill purposefully.
Most of the sacred texts have been warped and distorted by time, translation and religious bureaucracy into texts which advocate hatred and discrimination.
You don't need religion to lead a good life, all that's needed are your own morals and common decency (which many religious people seem to lack... though there are exceptions.)

I just want to say that this thread can't accomplish anything positive. It's not really appropriate to be calling any religion "worst", maybe which one do you dislike the most, but "worst" isn't a good adjective to use.

That was my initial argument, which seems to have turned into a defence of Islam; as an agnostic that's a strange situation to find meself in, y'know?

All religion is bad, there is no worst religion, they're all worthless.
Religion is the only thing that drives otherwise good, sane people (who aren't in the armed forces) to kill purposefully.
Most of the sacred texts have been warped and distorted by time, translation and religious bureaucracy into texts which advocate hatred and discrimination.
You don't need religion to lead a good life, all that's needed are your own morals and common decency (which many religious people seem to lack... though there are exceptions.)

Again, I'm not religious, but...
Religion has given many people hope and strength they would never otherwise have had. It's one of the great ironies of life, that faith in something nonexistent can make you better able to deal with the assaults of this often cruel world. You can't put a price on the suffering caused by religion, but nor can you put a value on the charity it has motivated or the hope it has given. Like empire, it has a very mixed legacy, and your own side of the fence will heavily influence your view of the balance between the two.

religion is an excuse to do horrible things with a justification. they all are terrible.

As has been stated several times. Once again:
That makes people terrible. It doesn't make religion, political parties, empires, etc terrible.
The tool is not responsible for the use to which it is put.

Again, I'm not religious, but...
Religion has given many people hope and strength they would never otherwise have had. It's one of the great ironies of life, that faith in something nonexistent can make you better able to deal with the assaults of this often cruel world. You can't put a price on the suffering caused by religion, but nor can you put a value on the charity it has motivated or the hope it has given. Like empire, it has a very mixed legacy, and your own side of the fence will heavile influence your view of the balance between the two.

Fair point... I have no problems with people having faith, faith is good. I have no problems with people finding something to take comfort in and gain personal strength from, I just can't stand the manipulative sides of them, how they use people for their own ends. Religion often seems a lot like capitalism - more power to the powerful and let the rest serve those with the power.

I have to admit that I'm always a fan of people doing charitable acts, it just bothers me that so many of them are doing it because God says so (and they'll go to hell otherwise)... I give to charity without needing to expect to writhe and burn for all eternity if I don't (and apparently I'm due to burn anyway since I'm not religious.) Maybe I'm just too busy expecting people to be saints without needing a reason to be so?

Gah, long past my bedtime. I leave you to your happy arguments.

the point here is?
Oh, you know! You know! :p
Mr. Bush is not a Catholic, and I have to say that I doubt the validity of your claim. Whoever said that could easily have been lying, just fyi. Where did you get your information?
BBC.

The quote, however, came from the Guardian. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1586978,00.html)

And I know Bush isn't a Catholic, but this thread isn't about such nuances - he's a Christian, and that's enough!

Oh, and I'm not convinced that he really did say it, but he truly is a very religious person and if he did say it then he is a loony freak that have much more power then the ones in islam.

First, I just need to know, why is Buddhism on here?

Second, i need to say that this is really a very silly question. It's not really possible to say which religion is the worst fundamentaly because, the basic fundamentals are all too simaller. Also, it's very difficult to compare the followers of each for sevral reasons. First, everyone who follows one religion, don't follow it exactly the same. You get extremists in every religion but, you also get an increasingly growing number of people who follow their religion in the most liberal sense of the word. Also, every religion has gone through a "phase" were they try to kill off all "non-believers" or "pagans." Also, leadership is very important. Islam leaders are, at the moment, very good leaders. Not that destroying the Trade Centers is good, but that they can lead their followers very well. The Dalai Lama dosn't have the same influence as the Muslim leaders, and the Pope is not using his. Furthermore, the media, atleast in America, is mostly Jewish or Christian. They have given the average person a bias against Islam. If you ask me, this is not an answerable question. Despite that Islam will be judged the "worst religion" because the media says so, and Islam will probably go on being voted the "worst religion" because he media will continue to bias Islam.

Thanks All
The Turk :sniper:

P.S. Again, I just need to know, why is Buddhism on here?

Fair point... I have no problems with people having faith, faith is good. I have no problems with people finding something to take comfort in and gain personal strength from, I just can't stand the manipulative sides of them, how they use people for their own ends. Religion often seems a lot like capitalism - more power to the powerful and let the rest serve those with the power.

I have to admit that I'm always a fan of people doing charitable acts, it just bothers me that so many of them are doing it because God says so (and they'll go to hell otherwise)... I give to charity without needing to expect to writhe and burn for all eternity if I don't (and apparently I'm due to burn anyway since I'm not religious.) Maybe I'm just too busy expecting people to be saints without needing a reason to be so?

Sadly, the personal faith seems to come inextricably wrapped up in a need to worship with others, at least in most religious people. And once you have a congregation....
I know how you feel about the charitable side of things - the better kind of Christian (and Muslim etc but I know more Christians) does charitable work because it is right, not because God apparently says so; there are just so many of the other kind.

First, I just need to know, why is Buddhism on here?

Second, i need to say that this is really a very silly question. It's not really possible to say which religion is the worst fundamentaly because, the basic fundamentals are all too simaller. Also, it's very difficult to compare the followers of each for sevral reasons. First, everyone who follows one religion, don't follow it exactly the same. You get extremists in every religion but, you also get an increasingly growing number of people who follow their religion in the most liberal sense of the word. Also, every religion has gone through a "phase" were they try to kill off all "non-believers" or "pagans." Also, leadership is very important. Islam leaders are, at the moment, very good leaders. Not that destroying the Trade Centers is good, but that they can lead their followers very well. The Dalai Lama dosn't have the same influence as the Muslim leaders, and the Pope is not using his. Furthermore, the media, atleast in America, is mostly Jewish or Christian. They have given the average person a bias against Islam. If you ask me, this is not an answerable question. Despite that Islam will be judged the "worst religion" because the media says so, and Islam will probably go on being voted the "worst religion" because he media will continue to bias Islam.

Thanks All
The Turk :sniper:

P.S. Again, I just need to know, why is Buddhism on here?

An <increasing, growing number> of people who are liberal about religion, seems to be matched and overmatched with an increasing number of fundamentalists of all types. How the proportions match up I don't pretend to know, but that is the concern, for all those, religious or not, who support the idea of a secular, liberal, democratic state. (Ok, I don't live in a secular state, just one with an official religion that's all but godless :p (UK))

I would have to say Islam would be the worst, because they belive that there are no other religions and anyone who disagrees should be killed. That is moronic if you ask me, if the muslims try to take over Israel I say the entire would takes over their countries and converts them to Christianity. Thus solving all religious problem.

I would have to say Islam would be the worst, because they belive that there are no other religions and anyone who disagrees should be killed. That is moronic if you ask me, if the muslims try to take over Israel I say the entire would takes over their countries and converts them to Christianity. Thus solving all religious problem.

they belive that there are no other religions and anyone who disagrees should be killed
So do fundamentalist Christians
So do fundamentalist Jews
So do fundamentalists of all religions

Enough blood has been spilled in the name of various gods. Why not, instead of taking over the world and forcing everyone to be Christian, just rid the world of religion and follow personal morals and faith? Conquest solves no problems and causes many more... the only way violence could solve this problem would involve making humanity extinct... I'm not keen on that option for some weird reason.

I would have to say Islam would be the worst, because they belive that there are no other religions and anyone who disagrees should be killed. That is moronic if you ask me, if the muslims try to take over Israel I say the entire would takes over their countries and converts them to Christianity. Thus solving all religious problem.
And if they disagree they should be killed, eh? :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Wunleashed
I would have to say Islam would be the worst, because they belive that there are no other religions and anyone who disagrees should be killed. That is moronic if you ask me, if the muslims try to take over Israel I say the entire would takes over their countries and converts them to Christianity. Thus solving all religious problem.

It's not that they believe that their are no other religions, it's that they believe that the only way to heaven is to follow the teachings of Mohamed. Most religions believe that their is only one path to heaven. Chirstians,and Jews, and most everyone else. Sorry but, it sunds like you have been a horrible victem to media propoganda reinforced by simple-minded, basic American teaching.

Thanks All,
The Turk :sniper:

a point of note, this poll contains 3 judaic based religious philosophies, judaism itself, christianity and Islam; and 1 non judaic based religious philosophy. i feel sort of smug that just on probability the judaic based religions will come of worse.

anyway, onto a more serious point. historically we have had violence being caused by individuals from Judaism, christianity and Islamic culture, in the name of their chosen religion. if the perspective is taken that these religions are infact "nothing more" than off shoots of the same theology than the internecine conflict is incredibly diverse. just as christianity can be split down into thousands of sub-sects (to name but a few, catholocism, orthodox, russian orthodox, protestant, puritan, church of england, jehovah's witnesses (who may claim to be offshoots of judaism), the church of jesus christ of latter day saints, etc) so can Islam, Judaism and to a lesser extent Buddhism. even within these subsections of core theology, their are fundamentalists, look at the historical violence in northern ireland as an example, the lutheran schism of historical germany and so on. as has been stated it is these Fundamentalist sections of the Islamic community that causes the problems, the vast majority of Muslim do not espouse or condone their actions.

i think i might start my first thread on this forum on a matter of interest to the above discussion, thanks all


darkside

*toddles off to create thread*

Also, i still would like to know why people are voting for Buddhism.

Thnks All,
The Turk :sniper:

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Islam probably, if only because it is centered around expansion and really has only spread on the back of conquering armies. Plus it lacks a lot of the good things Jesus has for Christianity, like the love your neighbor, live justly, be virtuous moral guidelines, of course, Christians as a whole ignore the positive things their religion has in favor of some obscene theocratic ideal based off the rather appaling Old Testament morality of slavery and killing those who offend that section of the Bible's thunder god.

Judaism has some nasty things in the past, written down in the Bible, involving killing the Canaanites, but that is so far past that the only thing I can criticize it for is the treatment of the Palestinians, and it really isn't as bad as some of the things going on with the Christian and Muslim countries, so its probably one of the better ones.

Buddhism shouldn't even be on this list though, and I'm amazed even three people picked it.

While I'm no scholar on this, I beleive with this most holy first post of mine I can shed some new light on this topic...

1. Christianity
2. Islam

And I don't know enough about the others to rank them., so I'll have them tied for third.

My criteria for ranking them? Their effect on the progression of science.

Isaac Newton said there were 7 colours in the rainbow, because if he said 6 they would have nailed him to something. Copernicus said the world was not the holy center of god's universe, and they killed him. ATM the bible folks are causing no end of trouble regarding abortion. People should be allowed to have any parasites cut out of them they wish. ATM they're really fucking with my right to clone human beings.
http://www.answersingenesis.org is a good example of how evil the bible is with regards to science, to quote a line form the first page...

People from different cultures really are the same all over the world. They ask the same questions about origins, and most have been brainwashed with evolution/millions of years.

To which I say the half life of uranium 248 is how long?

Islam doesnt seem to be getting in the way of science as much, but it is trying to claim some science as the discoveries of mohammed, while at the same time fucking with them.
Here is the Islamic point of view on human embryonic development...
http://www.answering-christianity.com/embryonic_development.htm
And here is the truth....
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Quran/Science/embryo.html

So as we can see Islam is merely rocking the boat of science, where as christianity is actively pissing on science.

http://www.adam.com.au/bstett/ReligCreationismPlimerDown55.htm

If we want to get all militarily minded, I have a grudge against christianity for killing many of my pagan ancestors (anyone in this forum have european heritage?). Islam advocates slavery indirecty, (the pact of ural), but the only islamic crime I see these days is its subdjugation of women, under the guise of "modesty".

Now we need people who know more about Hebrew and Dharma to enlighten us on this further.

Scientology is so evil, as to require a seperate scale all to itself.

A lot of modern day hatred towards the jews is directly/indirectly a result of the pact of ural.

But my favourite way is this...
Buddha was a rich kid who was spoilt so bad he left home and lived in the slums.
Jesus was a hippy who talked to whores and theives, and chose death over resitance.
Mohammed was a warlord who subdjugated many cities, and had 22 wives.

I don't know fuck all about the jews, or if they had a spiritual leader like the other three.

Elron Hubbard was a paedophile who used the law to suit his whims. Murder was another of his tools.

Search around for the list of sites that have been blacklisted by google. Many of them are scientology related. Lawsuits are the reason for these blacklistings.

So if we look at their leaders, in order of evil we have...
1. Mohammed
2. Elron Hubbard

Judaism is unranked, and Jesus and Buddha are fighting it out for best example of selflessness.

Christianity is also based on expansion and, spread almost entirley through war. For as long as Christianity has existed, it has spread through war. Ever sense Ancient Rome Christianity has spread entirly on the back of persecution and war. Also, Islam has all the "good things" that christianity has. I won't pretend to be an expert but, it does have it's own laws and teaches, as well as the things in the Bible like, love your neighbors, and don't steal, It also teaches disipline. Islam teaches it's followers to be constant and disiplined in their religion. Islam does not allow for "liberal" worship.

Thanks All,
The Turk :sniper:

Islam probably, if only because it is centered around expansion and really has only spread on the back of conquering armies. Plus it lacks a lot of the good things Jesus has for Christianity, like the love your neighbor, live justly, be virtuous moral guidelines, of course, Christians as a whole ignore the positive things their religion has in favor of some obscene theocratic ideal based off the rather appaling Old Testament morality of slavery and killing those who offend that section of the Bible's thunder god.

Judaism has some nasty things in the past, written down in the Bible, involving killing the Canaanites, but that is so far past that the only thing I can criticize it for is the treatment of the Palestinians, and it really isn't as bad as some of the things going on with the Christian and Muslim countries, so its probably one of the better ones.

Buddhism shouldn't even be on this list though, and I'm amazed even three people picked it.

Yeah, who the hell picked Buddhism? Probly only happened cos theres no comedy option at the bottom.

I went with Islam. That and christianity are just Judaism with bits tacked on, and the extra bits in Islam seem to be bad more than good.

I'm am actually converting to Buddhism. I'm no expert but, here it goes. Buddhism is difrent from most religions because, thier is nothing written anywhere about what god is. Alot of Buddhists are actually Hindu-Buddhists Buddha himself is NOT actually a god in Buddhism. He is, however, a god in Hinduism. The main teachings of Buddhism are actually all about how to acheive Nirvana or, Enlightenment. Buddhists believe that the soul is reincarnated as many times as it needs to be until it can reach Nirvana. Each time the soul is cleansed, like being forgivin in christianity, and is given another chanse to acheive Nirvana. Once acheiving Nirvana, a soul is able to escape the cycle of rebirths and go to the afterlife. In Buddhism, to achieve Nirvana you are to follow the four Noble Truths, the Eight-Fold Path, and the Five Precepts. The Four Noble Truths say that, first, Suffering exists. Second that suffering is the cause of desire. Third, that suffering has an end, and fourth, that that end is through the eight fold path. The Eight-Fold path is, first Right Understanding (of the Noble Truths) Right Thinking (the right path in life) Right speech (don't lie or speek profainly) Right Conduct( follow the Precepts) Right Livlyhood (Support yourself without hurting others) Right Effort (promote good, conquer evil) Right Mindfulness (be aware of your mind and body) and Right Concentration (meditate to get beter concentration.) The five Precept are 1. Don't kill 2.Don't Steal 3.Don't lie 4.Don't misuse sex (monks=celibacy others=don't harase or rape) 5.No alcohol or drugs. Buddhism is also split into two groups Mahayana Buddhists are more liberal. They sugest that help people to acheive Nirvana in the modern Capitalist world. Theraveda buddhist, however, are much more conservative and very strict.

Related to the discusion, Buddhism is strict that you follow the Path, Truths, and Precepts. However, beyond that it is up to your personal discretion. Each individual Buddhist must determine what are the Evils thaat they are intende to coquer. However, Buddhist don't usually pick other people as those Evils. the Evils are more spiritual. They need to be conquered within. Buddhism also teaches selfcontrol and disiplne. You are expected to meditate, how much is at your own discression, and your goal is to achieve a higher level o consentration. Not so that you can break a big metal rock with your hand, but so that you can focus your energy at anyone goal, namly the evils in you, and find a clear path to nirvana.

I still would like to know why Buddhism is on this list and, why you are voting for it.

Thanks All,
The Turk :sniper:

"Religion is excelent stuff for keeping comon people quiet." Napoleon Bonaparte
Just thought i would put it out their.

Thanks All,
The Turk :sniper:

Oh, this will be a fun thread.

Personally, I think its Judaism. It seems to have spawned the other worst religions. And of course Jews control the media and government too. But I'm sure the Jewish-controlled 'conservatives' will be along any moment to rant about the evils of Islam, just like they've been trained by Jewish media to do!

We do not talk about the 5 jew bankers...

No matter how much I hate Christianity, I can't deny that Islam is definetely the worst religion right now. The cartoon debacle, 9/11, killing and/or issuing death threats to people who criticize islam, and the way they treat their women makes me disgusted with islam and everything it stands for. If I was to say that Jesus was a two-cent liar and the lowliest of the lowliest beggars, that Mohammed was a sadistic piece of shit, and that Buddha was a silly fat man on shrooms,(things which I believe, by the way) I would only be killed for the Mohammed comment. I realize that most Muslims wouldn't harm me if I made that comment in front of them, but there are some that would, and it seems to me like there are more of those kinds of people (if you can call them that) in Islam than there are in any other reiligion.

The point of this is that it's an exercise in free speech, free from political correctness. We shouldn't be afraid to criticize other people or religions just because it's considered racist or prejudiced. While I understand that not all (indeed many) muslims aren't violent and are perfectly upstanding people, Islam is definetely the most violent religion right now and anyone who denies this has no intellectual honesty whatsoever.

Oh I guess it is Stalinism, a kind of Atheist ideology I guess or howabout the Marxism of China where they persecute people, noo, it is the animism of the yanomamoe, I heard from those people who killed each other raped each other womens, or is it Hinduism?? They do not fought a lot of wars, but are cruel to themselves.. however we should not forget Zoroastrianism, do you remember when they killed the Christians in Iran a long time ago. A really worse persecution. But oh men, i forget the Majan cult, where they sacrificed the people to the gods. But is that really the worst religion. I just dunno..., maybe molchism to moloch they sacrificed kids.. But there is also paganism and satanism. Ahhh they are all bad!!

If it wasn't for the cartoons, they wouldn't have been killed. I see violent people of all religions, but muslims tend to come up more often than others. I never said guns cause murder or any of that other stuff.

They "come up more often" because the media focuses on them, more often.

Please try to keep up.

At the very least, religion makes wars easier because someone who is a different religion from yours is easier to dehumanize.

Well, certainly. You yourself are showing how to dehumanize all Muslims based on the actions of a few. But if it wasn't religion, it'd be something else.

All religions are just as bad as each other in my opinion.

All religions are just as bad as each other in my opinion.
Exactly. I abstain from voting.

Frankly, I find the discussion, "which religion is the worst", to be assinine and disgusting. Every religion has problems, controversies, etc... Not only that, but to claim that Islam is the worst over their reaction over the cartoons is...well, hypocritical. Tell me, if a christian did the same, or a Jew, or a person of another religion acts the same way. Are they bad? No... We are living in a time where Islam is considered "Evil". I call bullshit.

All religions are just as bad as each other in my opinion.
Even atheism lol what should we belief. I guess it is just that humanity is evil...

They "come up more often" because the media focuses on them, more often.

Please try to keep up.



Well, certainly. You yourself are showing how to dehumanize all Muslims based on the actions of a few. But if it wasn't religion, it'd be something else.
The jewish controlled media?
Can you come up with a comparable example of the Danish cartoon episode for any of the other religions?

Wicca is by far the worst anything like a religion.

Oh I guess it is Stalinism, a kind of Atheist ideology I guess or howabout the Marxism of China where they persecute people, noo, it is the animism of the yanomamoe, I heard from those people who killed each other raped each other womens, or is it Hinduism?? They do not fought a lot of wars, but are cruel to themselves.. however we should not forget Zoroastrianism, do you remember when they killed the Christians in Iran a long time ago. A really worse persecution. But oh men, i forget the Majan cult, where they sacrificed the people to the gods. But is that really the worst religion. I just dunno..., maybe molchism to moloch they sacrificed kids.. But there is also paganism and satanism. Ahhh they are all bad!!

Damn. I can't tell whether or not you're serious.

Which religion is the worst? My God, this is dumb.

All. Except Buddhism, even if the old fat guy was on shrooms at least it isn't extremist in the gay way. By that I mean the way that makers people hates gays...


Confused? I am.

Come on people. Buddha was not fat. Nor was he skiny. Fat Buddha = Mahayana, symbolizing how a human can survive healthy and happy and be buddhist. Skiny = Theraveda. Symbolize how a person should be disiplined and self-sacrificing. Buddha just lived his life and, aside from a short time when he starved himself in the woods, he was never fat or skiny. Nor was he on shrooms.

Thanks All,
The Turk :sniper:

Which religion is the worst? My God, this is dumb.


And which God is your God?

Anyway, as the majority noticed quite easily: Islam is the worst.
No doubt about it.
In fact, it makes for a fine litmus-test.

And which God is your God?

Anyway, as the majority noticed quite easily: Islam is the worst.
No doubt about it.
In fact, it makes for a fine litmus-test.

I'm a Christian, but I'm not so bigotted as to believe that my religion is superior to any other human's beliefs.

Exactly. I abstain from voting.
Good choice. It's a useless thread anyway.

I'm a Christian, but I'm not so bigotted as to believe that my religion is superior to any other human's beliefs.

*nods with approval*
We can't actually claim proprietorship to a religion anyway.
Only ( a ) God could.


Meanwhile, I don't detest politicised Islam because of its claims of religious revelation.
I detest it because of its concurrent claim of political revelation.

Case in point: compare Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Similar race, same religion and all.
But one of 'em has pretenses about Islamic Power and the other one practises live and let live.
One of 'em is a scumbag-state, and the other one consists of quite decent people.

islam. Their believe their holy book to be from their god's mouth. Any violent line in there, to them, is completely true.

Christianity - As a religion it is undoubtedly the stupidest of them all: From creation myth to Jesus.

Of course the persons who interprete the religion are a different matter altogether - From crusades, oppression, racism, bigotry and misunderstood Jihads to God given orders to attack....

You can't really blame the religion for the actions of the people who claim to be adherants. Case in point Christianity. A devout christian should be a peace loving anti capital punishment meek quiet person of faith. But they get mired in personal opinion instead of following the words of our savior Christ.

I really don't know why anyone other than a Christian Jew or Islamic adherant would dislike Buddhism. I can't think of one person Buddhism has ever harmed in this life.

I really don't know why anyone other than a Christian Jew or Islamic adherant would dislike Buddhism. I can't think of one person Buddhism has ever harmed in this life.


*grin* Haven't met any Nichirens or Komeito's, have you?

Nope. Who are they?

Nope. Who are they?
pfft! Are you stupid?

Judaism. Any religion that says you have to chop the end of your penis off because God says so is not a religion worth following. Yes i know Islam also promotes it, but the Jews started it!

Nope. Who are they?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soka_Gakkai

Christianity. They are always trying to force their beliefs on other people, and if they find out someone doesnt follow their views...shunning of course.

Christianity. They are always trying to force their beliefs on other people, and if they find out someone doesnt follow their views...shunning of course.

Not all of 'em.

Christianity. They are always trying to force their beliefs on other people, and if they find out someone doesnt follow their views...shunning of course.
The Muslims want to cut off my head
The Jews want to cut off my cock
The Buddhists want to turn me into a Tapeworm and rape me.
So whats wrong with all Christians forcing their wacko beliefs on me?

The Muslims want to cut off my head
The Jews want to cut off my cock
The Buddhists want to turn me into a Tapeworm and rape me.
So whats wrong with all Christians forcing their wacko beliefs on me?


May I sig that?
*begs*

*sprays petrol around the thread*

*votes Buddhist on the poll*

*leaves hurriedly before the thread becomes an inferno*

Buddhism?!? The least violent religion in the world is up there on your poll??

btw i choose all of the above..............

..........except buddhism

For as liberal as a board this is, the intolerance towards Islam is disturbing. I think you need to do some research into the religion and speak with muslims. There are actually far more verses in the Bible about killing your enemy with a sword in the name of god than in the holy Quran. I dont understand why people feel Islam is not a religion of peace and yet that bullshit christian religion is seen as such.

People like bin Laden dont speak for Islam any more than Eric Rudoplh, McVay(sp?) and Hilter speak for Christianity

Originally Posted by Wunleashed
I would have to say Islam would be the worst, because they belive that there are no other religions and anyone who disagrees should be killed.
Thats just blantly wrong . Theres a verse in the Quran that sums it up. "To you your religion, to me mine." In the dark ages when muslims were largely in control, they allowed people to worship as they like, as long they payed taxes and things.

That same media will never, ever show Jews in a bad light.
100% correct on that one. Israel censures any critizism of them.

Zoroastrianism. Thanks for combining Dualism with Monotheism, you creeps.

For as liberal as a board this is, the intolerance towards Islam is disturbing. I think you need to do some research into the religion and speak with muslims. There are actually far more verses in the Bible about killing your enemy with a sword in the name of god than in the holy Quran. I dont understand why people feel Islam is not a religion of peace and yet that bullshit christian religion is seen as such.

People like bin Laden dont speak for Islam any more than Eric Rudoplh, McVay(sp?) and Hilter speak for Christianity

What's more disturbing is when you post something that I agree with. Good job on.. disturbing me! :D

Scientology is easily the worst, though its arguable whether it qualifies as a religion. Islam is not far behind, though.

Islam. It faces some major issues as it stands. My religion has done much wrong, but I am happy with the course it is taking now, even though it can still do much to ameliorate itself. I cannot fault Buddhism in any serious way, and Judaism, despite some drawbacks and archaic beliefs, is not problematic.

Wheres the scientology option?

Wheres the scientology option?
Yeah, I wanna Zoroastrianism option, too...:mad:

All religions are a load of crap but I'd say Hinduism is the worst due to the caste system.

None of the above.

Militant religiosity/atheism will get us nowhere.

Firstly, your poll sucks.
Secondly.. Yea, it really sucks.

Religions dont cause wars... people do. Every nutcase you see in some religon (bin Laden with Islam, Pat Robertson with Christianity, Tom Cruise with Scientology, the Aztec one I saw mentioned, and any type of cult) uses religion to cause crap. Middle Easterners use Islam to kill Jews and Americans, Pat Robertson uses Christianity to flame gays, Tom Cruise uses Scientology to flame everybody about psychiatry, blah blah blah, it's not that religion actually causes anything per se, they all preach peace (Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, etc etc etc, all the real religions and not the BS ones like... ahem) it's just that religion is used as an excuse to gain power. The early Catholic Church screwed around with the Bible to gain control, suicide bombers are screwing around with the Quran to kill people, Jews are screwing around with the media to gain control over peoples minds...And you can blame the Catholics for causing todays Protestant fundamentalists, the early Catholics screwed around with the Bible to what it is today, and Protestant fundamentalists are using that same Bible. So no, religions don't cause wars, people do.

The worst relieigon by far is Scientology, frankly because it is a load of bull crap. Islam and Christianity can be proved, as can Judaism. And Buddhism teaches about charity and peace and meditiation... how is that such a bad religion?

All religions are a load of crap but I'd say Hinduism is the worst due to the caste system.

Genius, hinduism has got nothing to do with caste system. If you had taken the time to do some cursory reading of hindu scriptures, you would have reaslised that the caste sytem is a socio-cultural thing (kinda like the medieval feudal system, where you are born into a family and inherit your family's occupation - earl, baron, etc....) and has nothing to do with religion (like how the theology and tenets of christianity had nothing to do with the feudal system)....

Scientology. But out of the list, Christianity.

(1. Christianity; 2. Judaism; 3. Islam; 4. Buddhism.)

Generally, religion is the root of all evil.

I'd be a Buddhist if i was devout.

Scientology. But out of the list, Christianity.

(1. Christianity; 2. Judaism; 3. Islam; 4. Buddhism.)

Generally, religion is the root of all evil.

I'd be a Buddhist if i was devout.
Actually, people are the root of all evil. You see, religion can be an expression of humanities best and worst ambitions, like anything and everything else. Religion can be good and it can be bad, just like most everything.

Generally, religion is the root of all evil.

I'd be a Buddhist if i was devout.

lol...

Desire is the root of evil.

For as liberal as a board this is, the intolerance towards Islam is disturbing. I think you need to do some research into the religion and speak with muslims. There are actually far more verses in the Bible about killing your enemy with a sword in the name of god than in the holy Quran. I dont understand why people feel Islam is not a religion of peace and yet that bullshit christian religion is seen as such.

People like bin Laden dont speak for Islam any more than Eric Rudoplh, McVay(sp?) and Hilter speak for Christianity

Dear Ambassador, I agree, that there are suras in the holy Quran that speak of peace and not war, however, I never encountered a verse in the holy Bible that I should kill my enemy with the sword. It seems like Allah (the one and only God) told that the Israelits one time, but that is not what Allah wants us to do after the coming of the Messiah. Please dear Un Ambassadorship consider that. However the holy Quran speaks of Christianity not in such blasphemous words AS you speak of it. Have you ever considered that all this blasphemous practices which come from people in the Western World as pornography and insults on Muhammed (Peace be upon Him)with the caricaturs does not come from people who follow the holy Bible? I do not think that Bin Ladin is living out Islam. I believe his belief about Islam is not reflecting the religion Islam. I should therefore not speak blasphemous of Islam. But you dear Ambassador speak in a way of Christianity, the truth which Allah has revealed long ago according to the holy Quran, which is blasphemous for Allah and that as a follower of Allah?!
But even if there are true followers of the book and speak insulting of Islam they should not do so, because that is not what the holy Bible speak we should do, even if we, the followers of the holy Bible do not agree with everything Islam is teaching and I am truly truly sorry for followers of the holy Bible insulting you and Islam, but you dear Ambassador, you do not show respect either.

Out of the list: Islam. Muslims (true Muslims, not these secularists who like extremely watered-down Islamic culture) are bent on the extermination of all other religions and all those who follow other religions. Christians are only bent on the destruction of other religions, prefering to convert the pagans rather than kill them and Judaism and Buddhism really don't care if somone disagrees. The only exception to that is that Jews in Israel are defending themselves from true Muslims.

Out of all religions in the world, I would say religious apathy is the worst.

First, it is a religion. It is a lifestyle based on a theological system . Theology is a statement about God and Man's relationship with God. Apathists' theology is that it does not matter if God exists, which is a statement about Man's relationship with God. Therefore, they are following a religion, because their beliefs definately influence their actions.

Second, I simply do not understand how it cannot matter if there is a God or not. At least the atheists have the guts to say God doesn't exist.

"Worst Religion" ?

Only a really pompous ass would answer that one with any certainty.


Naming any one of those is absurd.

Could we add an option "Any religion but my own." please?

Islam. no contest.
Christianity comes at a not-so-close-or-distant second.

why do about 60% of yall hate christianity?

why do about 60% of yall hate christianity?

because thats the only way they can lash out and rebel against their mommies and daddies.

Oh, this will be a fun thread.

Personally, I think its Judaism. It seems to have spawned the other worst religions. And of course Jews control the media and government too. But I'm sure the Jewish-controlled 'conservatives' will be along any moment to rant about the evils of Islam, just like they've been trained by Jewish media to do!


/sarcasm?

Which religion is the worst?

Buddhism; they don't believe in me.

Add Scientology and I'll vote...

So what? We'd have Mithraism or something instead. Same issues, different terminology.

We'd probably have some advanced form of Roman-based paganism. If Christianity never spread throughout the Roman Empire and converted the Romans then a 1000 year stamp of Greco-Roman mythology would have been a hard thing to overturn. The pagan priesthood was pretty much ready to decline when Christianity rose in influence. If that priesthood had remained vibrant and "modernized" the structure of their religion it could have thrived.

But yes, same issues, different terminology. People cause wars, not religion. Religion is often the excuse, but not the true root cause.

That poop-eating masturbating cult in india that Jean-Paul Gaultier visited on "eurotrash" a few years ago.

[QUOTE]I never encountered a verse in the holy Bible that I should kill my enemy with the sword.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=483598 Read the 1st post under "should will kill" and "is god peaceful"

However the holy Quran speaks of Christianity not in such blasphemous words AS you speak of it. But you dear Ambassador speak in a way of Christianity, the truth which Allah has revealed long ago according to the holy Quran, which is blasphemous for Allah and that as a follower of Allah?!
for the record, I am not a muslim or a follower of Allah, Im an atheist. I speak blasphemous words about all religions, not just Christianity. If your offended by people talking bad about Christianity, you may be on the wrong forum.

Scientology is worse than a religion - it's a brainwashing based scam.

Which means in about a century it'll be a bona-fide religion. Complete with wacky and fun offshoots (Pentecostals anyone?)

Oh, this will be a fun thread.

Personally, I think its Judaism. It seems to have spawned the other worst religions. And of course Jews control the media and government too. But I'm sure the Jewish-controlled 'conservatives' will be along any moment to rant about the evils of Islam, just like they've been trained by Jewish media to do!
Ted Turner, Rupert Murdoch, yep, good solid Jewish names.

We'd probably have some advanced form of Roman-based paganism. If Christianity never spread throughout the Roman Empire and converted the Romans then a 1000 year stamp of Greco-Roman mythology would have been a hard thing to overturn. The pagan priesthood was pretty much ready to decline when Christianity rose in influence. If that priesthood had remained vibrant and "modernized" the structure of their religion it could have thrived.

But yes, same issues, different terminology. People cause wars, not religion. Religion is often the excuse, but not the true root cause.

Right... if ppl cause wars then what causes religion? haha! i am a cynic so ha!

Ted Turner, Rupert Murdoch, yep, good solid Jewish names.

Don't make me get that list of everyone who is Jewish in the Bush Administration and whatnot. The one that shows a greater perecentage of Jews than exist in the general population.... thus PROVING that Jews control the world through freemasonry and the illuminati bloodlines descending from transdimensional reptilian overlords!

Don't make me get that list of everyone who is Jewish in the Bush Administration and whatnot. The one that shows a greater perecentage of Jews than exist in the general population.... thus PROVING that Jews control the world through freemasonry and the illuminati bloodlines descending from transdimensional reptilian overlords!
They dont control the world, just the media and US foreign policy. Those things happen to be true. Did you know Israel is the only western democracy with a military censorship. They know how to spin PR

They dont control the world, just the media and US foreign policy. Those things happen to be true. Did you know Israel is the only western democracy with a military censorship. They know how to spin PR

But I don't blame the religion. It's not like Jews have secret cabals and drink the blood of babies. There are those who are Jewish and have undue amounts of influence with the UN and the US... but that doesn't really have anything to do with Judaism itself. It's much the same with Islamic terrorists. The religion is a side-issue, a distraction so that people continue fighting on the battle lines, while ignoring the real issue, which is simply power, wealth and land.

No matter how much I hate Christianity, I can't deny that Islam is definetely the worst religion right now. The cartoon debacle, 9/11, killing and/or issuing death threats to people who criticize islam, and the way they treat their women makes me disgusted with islam and everything it stands for. If I was to say that Jesus was a two-cent liar and the lowliest of the lowliest beggars, that Mohammed was a sadistic piece of shit, and that Buddha was a silly fat man on shrooms,(things which I believe, by the way) I would only be killed for the Mohammed comment. I realize that most Muslims wouldn't harm me if I made that comment in front of them, but there are some that would, and it seems to me like there are more of those kinds of people (if you can call them that) in Islam than there are in any other reiligion.

The point of this is that it's an exercise in free speech, free from political correctness. We shouldn't be afraid to criticize other people or religions just because it's considered racist or prejudiced. While I understand that not all (indeed many) muslims aren't violent and are perfectly upstanding people, Islam is definetely the most violent religion right now and anyone who denies this has no intellectual honesty whatsoever.
Oh, YEA!!! Another hate thread......can't get enough of them!!! :rolleyes:

Oh, YEA!!! Another hate thread......can't get enough of them!!! :rolleyes:

You don't like freedom of expression?
It should only be allowed when it supports your philosophy, right?

What A Racist Poll

What A Racist Poll
A racist poll? Races aren't mentioned in the poll, just four religions.