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Iran close to knowing how to build a nuke

Kazus
21-05-2006, 23:09
http://www.boredshitless.com/nuclear_bomb.html

So are you.
New Lofeta
21-05-2006, 23:12
Youll get yourself arrested for going on that type of site. :P
[NS]Liasia
21-05-2006, 23:16
Everyone should have nukes.
That way, the nuked-up countries and Nato can't be such a bunch o bullies.
Kazus
21-05-2006, 23:25
Liasia']Everyone should have nukes.
That way, the nuked-up countries and Nato can't be such a bunch o bullies.

Well if every nation reads boredshitless.com....
Big Jim P
22-05-2006, 11:58
Anyone with half a brain can figure out how to build nukes. All the info needed has been out there for decades.
Escra
23-05-2006, 18:12
The theoretical knowledge on building a nuclear bomb is more than available in every country which has a university with a physics department. Anyway getting the raw material is not easy but it is not impossible neither and in case you need one readily assambled you can buy it from former Sowjet countries so come on. It's just a question of money.
Khadgar
23-05-2006, 18:21
Building a basic nuke is really easy given the materials. Hell we did it 50 years ago, doing it today would take not much more than a backyard hobbist with some time.
DesignatedMarksman
23-05-2006, 18:34
Liasia']Everyone should have nukes.
That way, the nuked-up countries and Nato can't be such a bunch o bullies.


Maybe if they weren't preaching destruction and hatred for everyone non-muslim and especially the west and Jews there wouldn't be so much a problem. Of course, abimumbum or whatever his name is doesn't help that he's a hard line pyscho islamic guy.
New Burmesia
23-05-2006, 18:50
Building a Nuke is easy. Just enrich the uranium with an HF6 cascade, reduce it, (as in, remove the F6) and then bang enough of it together. Easy ;)

There's material to build a dirty bomb in smoke alarms, although I doubt it would be effective.
Lionstone
23-05-2006, 19:02
Building a basic nuke is really easy given the materials. Hell we did it 50 years ago, doing it today would take not much more than a backyard hobbist with some time.

A student did actually build a nuclear reactor in his shed somewhere.

A bomb is (presumeably, I have never built either...) even easier (mainly because you dont need all the bits to STOP it exploding). Keeping it reasonably unlikely to go off untill you want it to is the harder part.
Aryavartha
23-05-2006, 19:06
No. Miniaturizing it for delivery is the MOST difficult part in the process of acquiring a credible nuke deterrant system.

You can build all the bombs you want and unless you can miniaturize it and mate it to a missile system, you are actually having a liability in your hands not an asset.
Khadgar
23-05-2006, 19:10
Building a nuke takes a bit of math, some rather special explosives (but not that special), the hardest part is timing the detonation.

You take a solid ball of nuclear material, now you arrange a non-malleable explosive around the ball, exactly the same thickness all the way around. Place detonators at equal distance around the entire ball. Now to set it off you have to make sure each detonator goes off with it's assigned explosives as close to simultaniously as possible or the nuclear material won't implode properly. A set of equal length wires would do the trick.

Given that you got all the steps right you set it off and boom, a simple single stage nuke.

It's recommended to fire the explosives with a common metal blank a few dozen times to make sure you've got the distribution just right.
Lionstone
23-05-2006, 19:14
No. Miniaturizing it for delivery is the MOST difficult part in the process of acquiring a credible nuke deterrant system.

You can build all the bombs you want and unless you can miniaturize it and mate it to a missile system, you are actually having a liability in your hands not an asset.

Oh well, if you want to DO anything with it yes. Iran might just want to bang two bits of uranium together to keep warm :P

Although if its just an A-bomb (and is the size most articles on DIY nuclear proliferation say) it will fit on most missile systems.


Like that new zealander who was building his own cruise missile just to show it could be done. He got shut down by the government.
Saint Rynald
23-05-2006, 19:28
Well, with that, the world comes one step closer to atomic annihilation... that's always pleasant...
Khadgar
23-05-2006, 19:38
I learned how to build a nuke in highschool.
Lionstone
23-05-2006, 19:40
Well, with that, the world comes one step closer to atomic annihilation... that's always pleasant...

It made that step a long time ago. Its not a recent article.

Actually it wouldnt suprise me if it was a teensy bit harder to get hold of enriched uranium now.
Aryavartha
23-05-2006, 19:41
Oh well, if you want to DO anything with it yes. Iran might just want to bang two bits of uranium together to keep warm :P

Although if its just an A-bomb (and is the size most articles on DIY nuclear proliferation say) it will fit on most missile systems.

AFAIK, the Chinese design that Pakees gave to Iran was of the 1960s and I doubt if that could be mated to a missile without further inputs on miniaturization from Pakees/Chinese or other parties that have mastered that part.

But that is not the problem. I do not have that much problem with Iran having a credible nuke deterrant. The problem is its sponsoring of its proxies - the non-state actors like Hizbollah and Hamas etc.

The deterrance concept works using deterrance doctrines and red-lines set by the state that wishes to have deterrance.

The problem is of plausible deniability option that Iran wishes to retain by not giving up on the sponsorship of their proxies.

Let's say tomorrow a nuke explodes in downtown Tel Aviv and Hizbollah claims that it has more nukes in all major population centres and demands that the state of Israel be dismantled (or whatever it is that is the stated objective of the org).

What would be response of Israel? Iran will say, they know nothing and its all a evil zionist plot to sully the fair name of the Islamic republic of Iran. Hizbollah has no state that can be responded to.

You see, deterrance between A and B, works only when both A and B KNOW what A will do to B when B makes a move and vice versa. If B uses C to make the move and A cannot retaliate against B and C, this results in paralysis and unpredictable responses. Deterrance works in predictable responses.

If I am an Israeli, I would be doing everything that is possible to deny Iran a nuclear capability (unless Iran can demonstrate that it has let go of its proxies and is willing to work out a deterrance regime....which it has not indicated even in the slightest and is upping the rhetoric on the opposite side).
Todays Lucky Number
23-05-2006, 19:43
an unused nuke is a waste, let them rain!
Lionstone
23-05-2006, 19:45
If that scenario happens Israel will glass Iran in an instant anyway.

I still doubt that Iran is insane enough to risk it, they KNOW that Israel will blame them and hit back. Not that I would care to risk testing that theory.
Lunatic Goofballs
23-05-2006, 19:46
I built a nuke a long time ago. But unfortunately, I can't figure out a way to flush it down a high school toilet. :(
Ifreann
23-05-2006, 19:49
I built a nuke a long time ago. But unfortunately, I can't figure out a way to flush it down a high school toilet. :(
The trick is to make a very long, narrow and flexible nuke, so it will fit down the pipes. Oh, and make sure it's waterproof.