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"One student at Basha High School in Chandler was disciplined after being caught with a ketchup bottle two days in a row. And the principal said the school called the parents of several others found with the contraband."

http://www.wftv.com/news/9245473/detail.html

I stand in opposition to these Condiment Fascists. Legalize Ketchup!

Goddamit, that's it! I'm forming the Ketchup Control Group. No more ketchup - think of the children!

Brown Sauce (http://members.chello.nl/r.buur/hp2.jpg) FTW!

What do they expect? Only allowing the kiddos 3 packets per burger and charging a whole quarter for each additional packet. It's highway robbery, I tell ya. And where can you buy packets of ketchup? I've never seen a box of packets in a store. I guess they'll need to start stocking up from fast food restaurants or something.. or end up being suspended or expelled over a ketchup bottle!

.. and the school should charge no more than 10 cents per packet, imo.

This is just depressing, do they make sure that home packed lunch passes health standards as well? This is BS, and they know it. Just take you medicine, you aren't going to make any money off of packaged ketchup.

Principals make me sick:rolleyes:

The point of limiting ketchup packets is to reduce the incidence of stomped-upon squirting. How does a bottle violate this spirit?

Let's see. Some kids are making a mess with ketchup packets. Should we discipline them? Nah, just limit everyone's access to ketchup packets. That's some damn fine problem solving right there.

You have just discovered the folly of gun control laws.


What is up with banning kethcup? It's available everywhere.

I stand in opposition to these Condiment Fascists. Legalize Ketchup!

According to the Reagan administration ketchup is not a condiment, and instead a fruit/vegetable.

The point of limiting ketchup packets is to reduce the incidence of stomped-upon squirting. How does a bottle violate this spirit?

Was it a plastic or glass bottle? because if it was plastic...

Suspension for guns made of fingers. Banned Ketchup. US Schools sound horrifically authoritarian.

The argument with the health codes is that if one is bringing in a bottle of ketchup, the integrity of the packaging has been compromised at an undetermined time, so therefore, it may not be safe to consume. Now, if a student were to bring in a bottle of unopened ketchup, that would be compliant with the health codes.

Suspension for guns made of fingers. Banned Ketchup. US Schools sound horrifically authoritarian.

They are NUTS.

Most Principals are authoritarian dictators with Jon dewey on the brain. Don't go to a US public school, they are full of nothing except hot air.

Suspension for guns made of fingers. Banned Ketchup. US Schools sound horrifically authoritarian.

You know, I think the US government just wants to keep all its citizens uneducated so they'll all be stupid.

Now, if a student were to bring in a bottle of unopened ketchup, that would be compliant with the health codes.

and also, completely useless.

Suspension for guns made of fingers. Banned Ketchup. US Schools sound horrifically authoritarian.
They are, and no one can do anything about it.

They are, and no one can do anything about it.

Indeed. And I have to go to one. :(

and also, completely useless.

I think a student could do it once to be irksome. If one student got to use a bottle of ketchup because it was a brand new bottle, other students observing it would not know if it was new or not and ketchup anarchy would ensue.

Probably what they could do is if the student saved the little plastic strip from the top of the bottle, that would prove that it was a fresh bottle and therefore compliant with health codes. That's not to say that they couldn't just hold onto the plastic strip and use it day in and day out, but that might be enough to make the principal happy.

Principal is just as much of a beaureaucratic position as any other administrative position. The bottom line is this: it doesn't matter what happens as long as one is following the rules at the time they did it.

It seems like a ludicrous rule at first. But considering the reasons they give for limiting it to three packet per hamburger, it actually makes a lot of sense.
Because some students would just grab a handfull and smear it over everything. They just aren't up to the responsibility of unlimited ketchup packet.

And of course an unrefridgerated bottle is just a healthcode violation. The school can't help being subject to that rule.

My response, were I a student of this school, would be to purchase an industrial can of ketchup (the kind used in the food service industry) and after opening said can, pour it liberally into the air-vents of the motor vehicles of key staffmembers.

Naw, it doesn't really accomplish anything, or solve a problem but - that's how I would've felt about it at that tender age. I gotta go with my gut.

... which is exactly why you shouldn't let some students get their hands on ketchup..

... which is exactly why you shouldn't let some students get their hands on ketchup..
Or, from a different viewpoint, this is exactly why a heavy-handed, one-size-fits-all policy only serves to fuel discontent.

Damor and Dobbsworld, you just hit the basic view of the gun control debate. Those are basically the sides of the gun control debate. Just pointing that out, I apologize if this post ends up turning this thread into a gun control debate -- there are enough of those.

And considering Ketchup is the 7th American Food group, the fact a school would limit it so much is prohibiting my right to persue happiness. :D

Damor and Dobbsworld, you just hit the basic view of the gun control debate. Those are basically the sides of the gun control debate.
Dang it Derscon, you're blowing my cover. How can I play Devil's Advocate if you undermine my position like that?:D

Heh.

Damor and Dobbsworld, you just hit the basic view of the gun control debate. Those are basically the sides of the gun control debate. Just pointing that out, I apologize if this post ends up turning this thread into a gun control debate -- there are enough of those.

And considering Ketchup is the 7th American Food group, the fact a school would limit it so much is prohibiting my right to persue happiness. :D

Ketchup doesn't kill people. If you sell someone a packet of ketchup, they won't try and hold up a store with it or shoot one of their children by 'accident'. I suppose you could drown in ketchup...

Liasia']Ketchup doesn't kill people. If you sell someone a packet of ketchup, they won't try and hold up a store with itMaybe if they're really, really drunk, or stupid..
or shoot one of their children by 'accident'.They might squirt it in their eyes accidentally, though. I bet that really hurts.

Maybe if they're really, really drunk, or stupid..
They might squirt it in their eyes accidentally, though. I bet that really hurts.

Maybe magic ketchup. Made by pixies, or elves. Chinese ones obviously.

Liasia']Ketchup doesn't kill people. If you sell someone a packet of ketchup, they won't try and hold up a store with it or shoot one of their children by 'accident'. I suppose you could drown in ketchup...

But it's the same argument points.

And Ketchup is awesome. It could kill someone with Ketchitsu!

My response, were I a student of this school, would be to purchase an industrial can of ketchup (the kind used in the food service industry) and after opening said can, pour it liberally into the air-vents of the motor vehicles of key staffmembers.

And as a teacher at that school, I would suspend your sorry ass. ;)

But seriously... You wanna talk about health code violations... the average teachers' lounge refrigerator is a great place to start. I have personally unearthed artifacts dating back to the Jurassic Period, or maybe September, while digging around for that can of Diet Coke I KNOW I left in there...

Damor and Dobbsworld, you just hit the basic view of the gun control debate. Those are basically the sides of the gun control debate. Just pointing that out, I apologize if this post ends up turning this thread into a gun control debate -- there are enough of those.

You just said "gun control debate" three times in as many sentences.

Liasia']Ketchup doesn't kill people. If you sell someone a packet of ketchup, they won't try and hold up a store with it or shoot one of their children by 'accident'. I suppose you could drown in ketchup...
That's true. Ketchup DOESN'T kill people. Restriction of one's breathing due to massive amounts of inhaled ketchup kills people.

The answer is obvious; the culprit is not the ketchup industry, it is the inhalation industry.

The article is a bit wrong. My sister lives in Gilbert, right next to Chandler. The schools charge $0.25 for two packets of extra Ketchup, not one. But, as one student figured out, this still means the school is charging about $9 for a quart of Ketchup.
I call my sister regularly to rib her about the absurities of her community. They're opening up a mexican restaurant not too far away and a group is up in arms about the name, The Pink Taco. The god fearin' folks seem to believe this is a reference to a part of the female anatomy (and heaven knows we can't have the kids hearing filth like that:eek: ) and not a reference to a menu item as the chain claims.
The starched-shirt suburbs of Phoenix are always good for a chuckle...

You just said "gun control debate" three times in as many sentences.

Oops.:eek:

And as a teacher at that school, I would suspend your sorry ass.
Good job I'm 36, then.

Good job I'm 36, then.
loser

loser
nice. You're all class, fella.

nice. You're all class, fella.
wanna get high?

wanna get high?
what is this anyway - some sort of bonding behaviour?

Besides, I'm high already.

Most Principals are authoritarian dictators with Jon dewey on the brain. Don't go to a US public school, they are full of nothing except hot air.

Exodus Mandate = for the win.

what is this anyway - some sort of bonding behaviour?

Besides, I'm high already.
I just wanna be your friend :(

And, if you're high, what the hell.

*gets pipe*

I just wanna be your friend :(

And, if you're high, what the hell.

*gets pipe*
I'm smoking an Egyptian wood pipe with Pakistani hash. Whatchu smokin'?

I'm smoking an Egyptian wood pipe with Pakistani hash. Whatchu smokin'?
Umm.. a tinfoil pipe that I made with a screwdriver, with KB.. I think.. :eek:

Ahh, it only it were tin foil. It's aluminum, of course - I'd highly recommend that in future, you acquire some proper smoking paraphenalia for your personal refreshment. You don't want to ingest aluminum, after all.

I've been away for a few days. Anything happening much?

Ahh, it only it were tin foil. It's aluminum, of course - I'd highly recommend that in future, you acquire some proper smoking paraphenalia for your personal refreshment. You don't want to ingest aluminum, after all.

I've been away for a few days. Anything happening much?
Ahhhhh, ew.

I can't remember :p

Brown Sauce (http://members.chello.nl/r.buur/hp2.jpg) FTW!

That's not just brown sauce, that's HP sauce!

And as a teacher at that school, I would suspend your sorry ass.

Teachers like that are why people homeschool.

You have just discovered the folly of gun control laws.


What is up with banning kethcup? It's available everywhere.
True, but the general idea of gun control is that guns shouldn't be available everywhere. Criminals that choose not to obey the law won't have guns (or at least few of them will) because they won't be available. Works a lot better on countries that don't have such open borders as the US.

What do they expect? Only allowing the kiddos 3 packets per burger and charging a whole quarter for each additional packet. It's highway robbery, I tell ya. And where can you buy packets of ketchup? I've never seen a box of packets in a store. I guess they'll need to start stocking up from fast food restaurants or something.. or end up being suspended or expelled over a ketchup bottle!

.. and the school should charge no more than 10 cents per packet, imo.
Gospel!

"One student at Basha High School in Chandler was disciplined after being caught with a ketchup bottle two days in a row. And the principal said the school called the parents of several others found with the contraband."

http://www.wftv.com/news/9245473/detail.html

I stand in opposition to these Condiment Fascists. Legalize Ketchup!

This pretty common I think. My son was given a referal to the prinicipal's office for bringing salt to school for his lunch. A shaker designed for camping, he carried it everyday and they caught him. This is four years ago. It's insane but has been going on for a while.

sweet,merciful crap!

You know, when a teenager goes to court for a murder, he never asks to be treated as an adult. He does not accept responsability for his own action.

I'm still waiting for the first 17 year old to shout in court: I'm an adult! I'm responsible! Take me to jail for this, just as any adult goes to jail for this!

Until he or she does, there is no reason to treat 'em like adults.

And until they are: no rule but total, blind, absolute OBEDIENCE - or else. And definetely no backtalk allowed.

Teachers like that are why people homeschool.

It was a joke. You know, haha funny? You seemed to miss the ;) in your quote. ;), of course, being international internet-speak for "IT'S A JOKE, RELAX."

I've never actually suspended (or caused to be suspended, since technically the principal has to do the official suspending) anyone in my entire career. I take pride in the fact that I'm a very good teacher. I was simply pointing out that putting ketchup on teachers' cars was perhaps not the best way to solve the problem.

Well, actually, one kid did get suspended because of me. But he nearly punched me (and shoved several students) and then made creepy comments about my nipples with his face like an inch from my breasts, then ran out of school.

But don't make assumptions or accusations about someone's work performance unless you actually work with them or have some valid reason for doing so... tongue-in-cheek, sarcastic comments made on an internet message board being, of course, totally not valid reasons.

Let's see. Some kids are making a mess with ketchup packets. Should we discipline them? Nah, just limit everyone's access to ketchup packets. That's some damn fine problem solving right there.
LMAO! Yup! Dem school security types iz right on the ball! Heh!

Indeed. And I have to go to one. :(
Awww! Poor BABIE! Tsk! So oppressed and put-upon!

Awww! Poor BABIE! Tsk! So oppressed and put-upon!
Oh, can it.

*snip*

...no rule but total, blind, absolute OBEDIENCE - or else. And definetely no backtalk allowed.

Personally, I prefer my students with independent brains. It may make them a little less robot-like and a little more quirky, but I enjoy the fact that if I told them to take up arms against the obnoxious, useless teacher across the hall, they would probably refuse.

OK, bad example... being the independent, intelligent creatures they are, they'd go with it... they realize he's a useless waste of human protoplasm, too. And come to think of it, I COULD totally make use of my own person brainwashed army... but I digress.

But if we train a generation of kids to blindly accept whatever is handed down to them from on high, we end up with a generation full of very, very creepy autonomatons. Which, all of my personal plans for world domination aside, is not necessarily a good thing. Students need to be taught respect, yes, but not blind obedience, lest they learn to simply follow any authority figure who gives an order.

Maybe if they're really, really drunk, or stupid..
They might squirt it in their eyes accidentally, though. I bet that really hurts.

Taco Bell Hotsauce leaves you blind for about 45 minutes

Taco Bell Hotsauce leaves you blind for about 45 minutes

And you know this... how? ;)

Personally, I prefer my students with independent brains. It may make them a little less robot-like and a little more quirky, but I enjoy the fact that if I told them to take up arms against the obnoxious, useless teacher across the hall, they would probably refuse.

OK, bad example... being the independent, intelligent creatures they are, they'd go with it... they realize he's a useless waste of human protoplasm, too. And come to think of it, I COULD totally make use of my own person brainwashed army... but I digress.

But if we train a generation of kids to blindly accept whatever is handed down to them from on high, we end up with a generation full of very, very creepy autonomatons. Which, all of my personal plans for world domination aside, is not necessarily a good thing. Students need to be taught respect, yes, but not blind obedience, lest they learn to simply follow any authority figure who gives an order.

Its all fun and games until the useless protoplasm accross the hall has tougher students than yours. Or ketchup comes splashing out the vents when you fire up the air conditioning in your Prius.

Or ketchup comes splashing out the vents when you fire up the air conditioning in your Prius.
But it's still fun and games at that point.

Oh yes, limit the number of ketchup packets insteead to disciplining the kids for squirting it everywhere, and BAN KETCHUP BOTTLES! :rolleyes:

Thank God I don't live in Arizona... Though North Carolina schools are quite a bit more authoritarian.

And on that day, The Lord declared it... BULL CRAP.

Its all fun and games until the useless protoplasm accross the hall has tougher students than yours. Or ketchup comes splashing out the vents when you fire up the air conditioning in your Prius.

No one's students are tougher than mine!

My students can totally beat up your students.

Who needs more than 3 packets of ketchup on a hamburger anyway? Why not just have a ketchup sandwich. ...at home.

Awww! Poor BABIE! Tsk! So oppressed and put-upon!

Oh for God's Sake, Eutrusca, you of all people have seen enough of my posts to understand that I am not bitching about the OMG OPPRESSION!!111 of the school! (I mean, I'm a Calvinist, remember? I don't even believe in free will, why would I bitch about oppression? ;)) I was just referring to the overall ineptitude of the American Public School system, this happening to be a case in point.


Oh, and ketchup should be free for all. It's a staple of the Pennsylvanian diet, anyways. :D Yay Heinz! (Too bad about the current Heinz "lady"...)

ya know, a smart student would start to get the free packets from BK or McDonalds and sell those for cheap...

ya know, a smart student would start to get the free packets from BK or McDonalds and sell those for cheap...

THey probably have antientrepeneurial laws on the books like ours does. You can't sell anything here. Damn socialists. :p

No one's students are tougher than mine!

My students can totally beat up your students.


Oh yeah?!?!?!

*go "accidently" knock that apple off Tufty's desk Buford*

all this gripe about ketchup... what about the really dangerous stuff.

like Mayo...
Relish...
Soy Sauce...

and the most dangerious of them all...

Mustard. :eek:

Oh yeah?!?!?!

*go "accidently" knock that apple off Tufty's desk Buford*

Better watch out, or you'll have a gang of very tough little kids banging at at your door...

My KINDERGARTEN students shoot moose and seal. And they only get better as they get older. ;)

"One student at Basha High School in Chandler was disciplined after being caught with a ketchup bottle two days in a row. And the principal said the school called the parents of several others found with the contraband."

http://www.wftv.com/news/9245473/detail.html

I stand in opposition to these Condiment Fascists. Legalize Ketchup!
And I thought the kid who brought napalm to my school was bad!

Well the kid can have an amusing memory. Disciplined for bringing a bottle of ketchup to school. Can laugh at this stupidity for the rest of his life.

Better watch out, or you'll have a gang of very tough little kids banging at at your door...

My KINDERGARTEN students shoot moose and seal. And they only get better as they get older. ;)


*Backs slowly towards door whistling nonchalantly, backs through door then RUNS!!!*

*Backs slowly towards door whistling nonchalantly, backs through door then RUNS!!!*

Muahaha. Game, set, match, TG and her pint-sized wonderhunters.

Personally, I prefer my students with independent brains. It may make them a little less robot-like and a little more quirky, but I enjoy the fact that if I told them to take up arms against the obnoxious, useless teacher across the hall, they would probably refuse.

OK, bad example... being the independent, intelligent creatures they are, they'd go with it... they realize he's a useless waste of human protoplasm, too. And come to think of it, I COULD totally make use of my own person brainwashed army... but I digress.

But if we train a generation of kids to blindly accept whatever is handed down to them from on high, we end up with a generation full of very, very creepy autonomatons. Which, all of my personal plans for world domination aside, is not necessarily a good thing. Students need to be taught respect, yes, but not blind obedience, lest they learn to simply follow any authority figure who gives an order.

I'd rather deal with brainwashed automatons than with yobbies.
And better still: with law-abiding citizens.
What I don't wish to deal with is some 16 year old punk who knives a 15 year old QPR player who stopped him from robbing a 14 year old kid.

If crime happens, it means we're not being tough enough on it. ZERO tolerance.


If you wish to leave the under-21 segment the freedom to act in any other way than as good little boys, that is fine with me...
With one condition: whatever screwup they make, YOU bear the full responsibility for it. Which means: THEY screw up ( e.g. public drinking ) - YOU go to jail!

They should beat the system by bringing in barbeque source :D

Or maybe lime pickle, but I imagine Indian food isn't the easiest to find in the USA.

They should beat the system by bringing in barbeque source :D

Or maybe lime pickle, but I imagine Indian food isn't the easiest to find in the USA.

There still ARE a few red injun's around somewhere in the USA...

I'd rather deal with brainwashed automatons than with yobbies.

I'd rather deal with yobs.
At least I wouldn't have the crushed intellects of an entire generation on my conscience.

I'd rather deal with yobs.
At least I wouldn't have the crushed intellects of an entire generation on my conscience.

Ah - and do you intend to recompense their victims?
Every crime commited = failure of oversight.
How do you intend to recompense the mother of Kiyan?

There's 2 kinds of people: good citizens - and expendables.

Right now, it seems the good citizens are the expendables.

Ah - and do you intend to recompense their victims?
Every crime commited = failure of oversight.
How do you intend to recompense the mother of Kiyan?

There's 2 kinds of people: good citizens - and expendables.

Right now, it seems the good citizens are the expendables.

So that would make one type of citizen then eh?

Liasia']So that would make one type of citizen then eh?

Yup. I suppose that's why certain folks DO preach yobbie-tolerance.

* Brings canned ketchup to the school * ;)

The point of limiting ketchup packets is to reduce the incidence of stomped-upon squirting. How does a bottle violate this spirit?
Ever stomp on a plastic ketchup bottle?

There still ARE a few red injun's around somewhere in the USA...

*sighs*

I mean actual Indians, from India.

*sighs*

I mean actual Indians, from India.


*pets*
I was pretending to be even more obtuse ( or American ) than I am...

*sighs*

I mean actual Indians, from India.

Actual Indians are called Hoosiers arent they?

*takes up the dropped obtuse standard*

Actual Indians are called Hoosiers arent they?

*takes up the dropped obtuse standard*


*rubs scrubby chin*
Ah thunk they were called Buffaloes?

The article is a bit wrong. My sister lives in Gilbert, right next to Chandler. The schools charge $0.25 for two packets of extra Ketchup, not one. But, as one student figured out, this still means the school is charging about $9 for a quart of Ketchup.
I call my sister regularly to rib her about the absurities of her community. They're opening up a mexican restaurant not too far away and a group is up in arms about the name, The Pink Taco. The god fearin' folks seem to believe this is a reference to a part of the female anatomy (and heaven knows we can't have the kids hearing filth like that:eek: ) and not a reference to a menu item as the chain claims.
The starched-shirt suburbs of Phoenix are always good for a chuckle...

LMAO!! :p :rolling smiley: Those God fearing folks have a dirty mind.