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Currently I'm listening to the sounds associated with the fact a car has just crashed into the house directly across the road from ours, after the teenage driver came barelling around the corner into our street, speeding of course, and lost control. Those sounds involve fire trucks, an ambulance, at least 2 police cars, half the neighbourhood, and the anguished wails of the driver himself as he looks at the mess he caused by driving like an idiot.

Luckily for him, he wasn't hurt, but he has made a hell of a mess of my neighbours front fence, garden and front porch, not to mention the car is probably a write off. I must be honest and selfishly admit that I am glad he hit the other house and not ours. We don't have a fence to slow the car down, so if he had hit this house, he probably would have caved the front part of it in.

He is yet another of the growing number of young morons who have chosen our street over the last few months or so to play what I call the "wanker's serenade". This involved roaring down the main road, and turning into our street barely slowing down, and with much screeching of tyres and roaring of engines, then barelling down our street as fast as they can with total disregard for anyone or thing else using it. Only difference with this guy is the screeching tyres didn't stop after he turned the corner, they stopped when he hit the house instead.

Don't get me wrong, I know all young drivers don't drive like that, in fact I hope the vast majority don't, but there are enough who do to cause totally un-necessary death and mayhem, and they do tend to give all teen drivers a bad name.

I don't drive, never learned, so can't understand the mentality of getting behind the wheel and speeding through residential streets. The drivers doing this know it is illegal, they know it is dangerous, they know it is idiotic, so why do they do it? Is it bravado, a feeling of invincibility or what?

Thus why we shouldn't speed.

There should be some type of "alternative punishment" for doing stupid things, like a knee in the groin.... That would solve most problems.

Cars. Evil things. Unfortunately a necessary evil. :(

Kids often have that unhealthy combination of a feeling of immortality and poor judgment when they get behind the wheel of a car. Too often they fail to realize that there's not a reset button on the car like there is on the Playstation, and that car accidents hurt.

I think this teen won't be allowed to forget this accident for a long time. Turns out the car he smashed is his father's, who only bought it a few weeks ago. Lets just say when his Dad arrived at the accident scene, he wasn't happy.

Im 17, and soon to be a driver. I share your sentiments exactly. I see so many drivers my age speeding, music blasting, smoking a cigarette, and driving with total disregard for other people. I think it's because they think it makes them look cool, while in reality it's dangerous to them and everyone around them.

Cocky bastards.

Driver's ed - a blessing.

Ok, so, I'm 23 and I got l my license when I was... 20 (and not 16 like most of my generation) and I'm in driving school now.

Even if I got it when I was younger, I'd still be part of a graduated system of licensing. This system I used to think was a load of crock and I still do, except that the restrictions ironically seem reasonable.

At the level I'm at, G1, you have to have an accompanying driver who has a G + 4 years total experience, not carry more passengers than seat belts, no driving between 12AM-5AM, no highway driving... and if you break the violations, you get demerit points and unlike on a G, you could lose your license a lot sooner.

Many places don't have graduate licensing nor incentives to go to driving school, which if Ministry Approved, lets you take yourt exit test sooner and also receive your insurance for cheaper.

I am 16 years old and one of the most cautious and respectful drivers I know.... of coursemy car broke down one day and I had to ride the school bus, which was rear ended full speed by a semi truck.... I had 3 broken vertebrae, a cracked skull, a collapsed lung, and a broken clavicle, which hurts like a son-of-a-butch... and a month and a day of my life wasted lying in the hospital, 8 days of which were in the intensive care unit..... but I digress....
Speeding = bad, and
Living > dieing.

I'll admit now that I have regularly hit 160km/h+ driving home from work.
Pitfalls of owning your racing licence before your road licence I guess.
I try not to, but I'm too used to finding the gaps and taking them :(

And my speeding is confined to the motorway. It's practically impossible to speed in the residential streets where I live. There is always someone else on the road.

Although, I don't speed in manual cars, just auto's.
That or it might just be the fact that the car I drive now is a V6 3.6L and is more than capable of jacking up the speed a lot in a short time frame and all the manual cars I have driven have been 4 cylinder 1.6L Suzuki Sierra's. Things are lucky to break 120.

Anyhow, it's getting less and less often nowdays. If it even happens its for about 10 seconds when I'm overtaking, then it's back to floating about 5km/h above the limit (and I'm getting passed).

whats not to understand?

you dont drive but prehaps you've tried to go very fast on your bicycle? maybe you and your stuffed tiger rode your little red wagon off a cliff? surely you've tried a roller coaster in your time?

some people like to go fast. when they are teens with a drivers license, sometimes they dont realize that they really really could lose control and crash into a neighbors house. as it turns out, many teens dont realize that "things that can kill you" can kill THEM. they feel invincible until they get a few accidents under their belts.

anyway. if this is a common occurance you and your neighbors need to talk to the local chief of police to get better patrols in your neighborhood. if they dont get this under control someone will get killed.

Don't get me wrong, I know all young drivers don't drive like that, in fact I hope the vast majority don't, but there are enough who do to cause totally un-necessary death and mayhem, and they do tend to give all teen drivers a bad name.
Not just young drivers. My dad drives much like that, and he's in his late 50s. Some people are just morons when driving... And he wonders why nobody gets in the car with him.

I don't tend to do *too* many stupid things myself (although everyone makes mistakes), and only get upset when people drive significantly slower than the speed limit; especially when they prevent me cruising in fifth at 50-60mph, which is where my ageing Fiat Uno is most efficient. In favourable conditions, obviously; not many places I'd do 50mph in a pea-souper and driving rain...

If only modern cars weren't so safe... The people driving them wouldn't feel as invincible, and when they did do something stupid they'd be more likely to kill themselves and stop them doing it again. Problem solved...

As with most things in my life, I was taught from an unusual angle of thought:

I was not taught to have a regard for my safety, but for other people's safety.

THe importance in following the rules of the road are that you're piloting a massive, potentially lethal vehicle in the vicinity of other vehicles and people. Driving in an unsafe manner doesn't just risk your safety, it risks the safety of everyone near you. And while you have every right to risk your own life and limb, it takes a truly ignorant self-absorbed arrogant asshole to risk other people's life and limb.

Reckless driving pisses me off. :mad:

whats not to understand?

you dont drive but prehaps you've tried to go very fast on your bicycle? maybe you and your stuffed tiger rode your little red wagon off a cliff? surely you've tried a roller coaster in your time?

some people like to go fast. when they are teens with a drivers license, sometimes they dont realize that they really really could lose control and crash into a neighbors house. as it turns out, many teens dont realize that "things that can kill you" can kill THEM. they feel invincible until they get a few accidents under their belts.

anyway. if this is a common occurance you and your neighbors need to talk to the local chief of police to get better patrols in your neighborhood. if they dont get this under control someone will get killed.


I did speed on my bike once, and crashed, but the only thing hurt was my pride. Not another persons property. I've never had a red wagon, and as a big wuss can honestly say I've never set foot on a roller coaster. As the girl in the family I was the careful one, it was my brothers who did 98% of the stupid things.

I think what these teens need to learn is that the speed limits are laws, not advice they can ignore at will. We don't have drivers ed in Australian schools, and I think that is something that should be introduced here. The more information about driving and the possible concequences of bad driving the better. It won't stop all the idiots, but may stop a few.

The police already know about our street and the hoons using it. Problem is they can't be here 24/7 and have to catch them in the act. It takes a lot of begging and usually a few deaths for the roads department to act with traffic calming as well. The neighbourhood have been pushing for lights or a roundabout on that corner for a while now, but we aren't holding our breaths waiting for it to happen.

I was under the impression they'd brought in something like 200hrs of driver training before you can get your P's. Or perhaps that's still in talks and not yet the law. And in the rare occasion, confined to Queensland only.


I know we've finally made display of L plates compulsary for L drivers if they're behind the wheel, but not P-Plates for Provisional licence holds.

People are stupid. Stupid people should die.

I'm not sure of the laws now, because I don't and never have driven a car. I did hear something about changes recently, but didn't really take much notice because it didn't concern me.

I live in Queensland, Brisbane to be precise, and do remember when I was a teen (25 or so years ago) that all you had to do to get a learners was go to a department of transport office, answer a few easy questions and pay $5 (I think it was around that). It was that easy then. Hopefully it is a bit harder than that now.

I'm not sure of the laws now, because I don't and never have driven a car. I did hear something about changes recently, but didn't really take much notice because it didn't concern me.

I live in Queensland, Brisbane to be precise, and do remember when I was a teen (25 or so years ago) that all you had to do to get a learners was go to a department of transport office, answer a few easy questions and pay $5 (I think it was around that). It was that easy then. Hopefully it is a bit harder than that now.

You have to remember, most of the shitty drivers are driving really nice cars. That means they're either spoiled brats, or rich bastards - either way, it's possible for them to have influenced the tests with money or have had their parents do it for them.

I'm not sure of the laws now, because I don't and never have driven a car. I did hear something about changes recently, but didn't really take much notice because it didn't concern me.

I live in Queensland, Brisbane to be precise, and do remember when I was a teen (25 or so years ago) that all you had to do to get a learners was go to a department of transport office, answer a few easy questions and pay $5 (I think it was around that). It was that easy then. Hopefully it is a bit harder than that now.
Same here. And it hasn't changed much. Answer a few questions (get 18/20 or so) pay $25 I belive it is now and you've got your L's.
Then after 6 months, you can take your practicle exam for your P's. It's like 40-60 for each attempt. So not exactly cheap either.
All you have to do is pass that and you've got your P's. No need for driver ed, anything.


There's even suburbs on the southside (Beaudesert and such) where it is disturbingly easy to pass your practicle Exam.
Then again, some instructors can be really tight arses on the test. One of mine was, I stalled once at a round-a-bout and he interveened almost straight away because of "traffic backing up". We'd been stopped for whole 5 seconds :rolleyes:
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Just move to North Korea, where there are no cars, or the UK, where the only young drivers are kids of self-employed businessmen, and thus get welfare.

But, do you guys out of the UK have kids who modify thair cars with spoilers, exhausts and speakers beyond all realms of taste, despite the fact that the car is 10 years old and a lump of shite? Or is it just a British thing?

I speed through my neighborhood, though I ride a bike, which is totally different (not that I speed through the areas often --- it's kind of dangerous).

If I had a car, I definitely wouldn't speed. It's idiotic in any residential district, but one with streets as small as mine? That would be fucking insane.

Blame the boys... =) Well, mainly peer pressure. When I drive with a friend who is a boy alone, he goes the speed limit mostly, but when his friends are in the car, woah. Hold on for dear life!

I am 17 and I have never gotten in an accident or pulled over. I don't speed over 5 mph. I think the main part is peer pressure. And parents shouldn't buy their children BMWs. That is just asking for trouble. They should get their kids cars that barely get to 80 mph with a crappy engine.

There are some basic rules when operating a car. Break the rules, and you run the risk of having an accident. (Well, you run the risk anyways, but at least you won't be causing one)

Note that appropriate speed is one of those rules. But also note that most speed limits, at least in Australia, seem to be placed arbitrarily on a map, by people who've never even seen the street. Some roads around here should not be in a sixty zone, there are difficult corners and houses on both sides.
Others could easily be 100 or more.

So "appropriate speed" does not depend so much on various speed limits, but on the conditions, the environment, the car...and the driver.

I (20 years old) personally speed. A lot. I deliver pizzas, and in order to do that quickly, I usually go about ten km/h over the limit. Sometimes more.

My job also means that I spend a lot more time in my car then most people. I wouldn't be surprised if you told me that I've driven more km's than some 30-year olds. I wouldn't call myself an experienced driver, but I'm certainly comfortable in all sorts of conditions and situations. I've caught cars back from dangerous slides (although admittedly, I shouldn't have been going that fast :p), I avoided kangaroos that suddenly jumped out on the road and so on. I've also spent some time doing various driver training courses, and one of my hobbies (which I never get to do) is driving go-karts.

So can you use age as a determinant? Of course not.
It's ridiculous to single out "young drivers" and generalise, start making rules to make it more difficult for me to do my job (curfew for young drivers? WTF!?).

If I had a choice of getting into a car with an 18-year old guy, or a 65-year old senior, I'd choose the former.

In short, I need to drive to live. My car is my means of survival. Not only that, but driving is one of the few joys in my life. Stay the hell away from me and my car, and catch real criminals for a change. Like the father who kills his whole family because he doesn't think he needs to make a rest stop. Or the guy who drives when drunk. Or the old man, who doesn't realise that biologically, he should've been dead fifty years ago.

Oh, and SUVs shouldn't be allowed in metropolitan areas. Because you can't see past them as you can with other cars. That makes anticipating trouble a lot harder.

I should lambast the youth and talk down about how stupid he was...

But if I was being honest, I drove like someone was chasing me pretty much through high school and a good time longer after that-right up until (and part of why) I got the ol' VW Bus. I joke sometimes that my old chevy didn't have a gas pedal, it had a switch-"Haul Monkey" and "Stop." I even used to practice stupid "Dukes of Hazzard" and "Starsky and Hutch" tricks like whipping the car around. Not like, those are the only ones I did, I never really got the car more than a foot off the ground...

By the time I got my liscence, though, I had been driving for more than ten years in quarter midgets and racing karts. Didn't make me 'self' or 'fool' proof, but I did manage to go through that phase without hitting anyones yard...lucky, I guess.

But I can't get to high and mighty on this, considering my behavior.

I start driving school in a little more than one week. yay

hmph. all this a day after i receive my permit! w00t!

*insurance rates rise*

And my speeding is confined to the motorway. It's practically impossible to speed in the residential streets where I live. There is always someone else on the road.Coming home from my parents today, in damp conditions, there was hardly anything on the roads leading up to the junction with the motorway and I admit I was driving up to the legal limit (70MPH, 125-ish Km/h, for the duel-carriageways) despite the conditions, but on joining the motorway (again with a 70/125-ish legal limit) I found the road so busy and so fast that as the slip-road started disappearing on me I effectively had no option (other than pulling onto the hard-shoulder) but to speed up to over 85MPH (137-ish Km/h) to slot myself in, already over the legal maximum and well over what the wet conditions were really dictating.

(Note: I would normally express surprise that someone did not take the option to slow down, but in the few seconds I had to make the decision during the acute convergence with all three lanes packed full of speeding drivers I had to commit to something and the only recognisable nearside gap I could reasonably get into without risk was in danger of overtaking me, even as I was doing 70 down the traffic-free sliproad.)

And once I was 'safely' on the motorway I managed to slow down (easy enough, as within quarter of a mile the whole lane was bunching up/sneaking out to overtake, a lorry 'only' doing 10MPH over the 60MPH speed it should have been limited to). The outside lane appeared, from estimating it's relative speed to me at one point, to be doing nearly 100MPH. In the wet.


I'm not saying I was scared by this, but I'm mildly astonished and certainly thankful that nothing bad happened for the two miles I had to travel along that stretch of road on my journey home. I suspect that I should have been a bit more fearful or at least more obstinate in maintaining the relevent limits, but even while easing off back to legal limits, and aforementioned HGV, I hardly had any spare time to do anything before pulling off of onto my desired exit sliproad anyway.

Hmm. Having waxed lyrical (or waffled) I suppose I should make a connection to "Young Drivers". I bet hardly any of those drivers were young. I'm no longer young myself, for starters.

Although, I don't speed in manual cars, just auto's.I'm curious (having never driving in any road car other than a manual) why the difference?

(Oh, and I've just made jokingly a comment about misusing apostrophes in another thread, and would be horribly inconsistent not to point out that "autos" is the correct version... ;))

Anyhow, it's getting less and less often nowdays. If it even happens its for about 10 seconds when I'm overtaking, then it's back to floating about 5km/h above the limit (and I'm getting passed).Annoying, isn't it, when you want to stick to the legal limits (or, like you, slightly above it[1], or like I should have tried[2], at a truely safe speed) and you can't even stop others from misbehaving. Sometimes single-lane carriageways seem like a good idea (except if you're behind the guy 20MPH below the relevant posted/national limit of course, when you dream of extra lanes in order to overtake. ;))

((Oh, and there's also those people who, on an almsot empty motorway, sit in the middle lane... And if you're going faster than them (legally or otherwise) you have to pull out across two lanes and back again in order not to 'undertake' them.))


[1] Which is arbitrary of you
[2] But I fall for the "it's the legal limit, I can go that fast" feeling, rather than the "this is as fast as I can go while in safety, and I'm leaving a large enough gap in front of me" feeling that then gets spoilt by the "you're a b***ard, you who just pulled into my safety gap[3], forcing me to hang back even further" amendment.
[3] And I appreciate the irony of this complain in the same post that I'd stated I'd 'slid into' the traffic.

You have to remember, most of the shitty drivers are driving really nice cars. That means they're either spoiled brats, or rich bastards A recent example, local to me:
"Naseem Hamed jailed for car crash" (courtesy of BBC news) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/4764161.stm)

I'm actually taking my license test tomorrow. I like cars, don't get me wrong-when I get my license I get all sorts of freedoms and such, but I've never felt entirely comfertable controlling a huge two-ton piece of explosive metal and glass traveling at high speeds through narrow roads.

Needless to say, I'm a cautious driver.

You have to remember, most of the shitty drivers are driving really nice cars. That means they're either spoiled brats, or rich bastards - either way, it's possible for them to have influenced the tests with money or have had their parents do it for them.
There's a very busy street where I live that teenagers like to speed on. The street is divided in the middle by a row of very pretty trees. Said teenagers have been known to lose control of their speeding cars, crash into said trees, and die. Apparently there is now a group of local parents lobbying the city to cut down the trees, because they pose a threat to their children. :headbang:

Yeah. We suck.


I (20 years old)

Wow. I thought you were much older than that.

A recent example, local to me:
"Naseem Hamed jailed for car crash" (courtesy of BBC news) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/4764161.stm)
christ! prince naseem got fat.

on topic: i drive fairly fast but not nearly as fast or as often as i used to when i started driving cuz i'm more wise to what speeds are safe and where they are safe. i'm also more aware of what the car is capable of. having said that i do still generally drive above the speed limit - i just drive at speeds that i deem safe, sometimes they are under and sometimes they are over the speed limit. safety was rarely a consideration when i was a kid, thrills were.

Coming home from my parents today, in damp conditions, there was hardly anything on the roads leading up to the junction with the motorway and I admit I was driving up to the legal limit (70MPH, 125-ish Km/h, for the duel-carriageways) despite the conditions, but on joining the motorway (again with a 70/125-ish legal limit) I found the road so busy and so fast that as the slip-road started disappearing on me I effectively had no option (other than pulling onto the hard-shoulder) but to speed up to over 85MPH (137-ish Km/h) to slot myself in, already over the legal maximum and well over what the wet conditions were really dictating.

(Note: I would normally express surprise that someone did not take the option to slow down, but in the few seconds I had to make the decision during the acute convergence with all three lanes packed full of speeding drivers I had to commit to something and the only recognisable nearside gap I could reasonably get into without risk was in danger of overtaking me, even as I was doing 70 down the traffic-free sliproad.)

And once I was 'safely' on the motorway I managed to slow down (easy enough, as within quarter of a mile the whole lane was bunching up/sneaking out to overtake, a lorry 'only' doing 10MPH over the 60MPH speed it should have been limited to). The outside lane appeared, from estimating it's relative speed to me at one point, to be doing nearly 100MPH. In the wet.


I'm not saying I was scared by this, but I'm mildly astonished and certainly thankful that nothing bad happened for the two miles I had to travel along that stretch of road on my journey home. I suspect that I should have been a bit more fearful or at least more obstinate in maintaining the relevent limits, but even while easing off back to legal limits, and aforementioned HGV, I hardly had any spare time to do anything before pulling off of onto my desired exit sliproad anyway.

Hmm. Having waxed lyrical (or waffled) I suppose I should make a connection to "Young Drivers". I bet hardly any of those drivers were young. I'm no longer young myself, for starters.To be completely honest, I have had 2 incidents while driving in the wet. Both of which I was doing under 40km/hr. One was coming over the crest of a hill, I tapped the brake the slow down a bit and somehow the car managed to fishtail and I spun out.

And a few weeks later on, I was approaching a round-a-bout in the wet, tapped the brake to slow down just a little bit more before the bend and I spun out again in the exact same manner as the last time.

No one is yet to explain how that happened as it managers fine everywhere. Most people have put it down to poor drainage. I don't know.

I'm curious (having never driving in any road car other than a manual) why the difference?

(Oh, and I've just made jokingly a comment about misusing apostrophes in another thread, and would be horribly inconsistent not to point out that "autos" is the correct version... ;))
I direct you to my comment about the auto I drive, and then the manual cars I have driven ;)

The manual car I took my driving lessons in was an Excel I believe. Little 4 cylinder 1.x Liter engine. Not much power behind it really. I have no doubts if I got behind the wheel of a V6 3L manual, I'd most likely speed in that as well given that it would be capable of the same acceleration as the automatic I currently drive.

And "meah" to the apostrophe. I consider the usage correct, given that I have ommited letters. I'm a bit of a grammer and spelling watchdog myself but sometimes I just can't be bothered being precise all the time.

Annoying, isn't it, when you want to stick to the legal limits (or, like you, slightly above it[1], or like I should have tried[2], at a truely safe speed) and you can't even stop others from misbehaving. Sometimes single-lane carriageways seem like a good idea (except if you're behind the guy 20MPH below the relevant posted/national limit of course, when you dream of extra lanes in order to overtake. ;))

((Oh, and there's also those people who, on an almsot empty motorway, sit in the middle lane... And if you're going faster than them (legally or otherwise) you have to pull out across two lanes and back again in order not to 'undertake' them.))


[1] Which is arbitrary of you
[2] But I fall for the "it's the legal limit, I can go that fast" feeling, rather than the "this is as fast as I can go while in safety, and I'm leaving a large enough gap in front of me" feeling that then gets spoilt by the "you're a b***ard, you who just pulled into my safety gap[3], forcing me to hang back even further" amendment.
[3] And I appreciate the irony of this complain in the same post that I'd stated I'd 'slid into' the traffic.
And to be totally blunt, I have a passionate dislike for people who travel under the speed limit (my mother does it and it annoys me quite a bit). Granted the limits are advisory maximum speeds (and are enforced), but that by no means suggests that driving 10-15km/hr UNDER the signed limit is safe either. I've seen many occurances where it was the slow driver who caused a serious accident.

All in all, I prefer to travel at, or just over, the speed of the rest of the traffic on the road. While I by no means consider myself "invincible" on the roads, refer to the two incidents of spinning out while driving well under the limit, I do considering that I am capable of avoiding an accident when I am speeding.



On a side note, I am slightly suprised that no one actually abused me for my tendancy to speed and how frequently I have done so. And it's probably a good thing that I ommited how fast I have actually driven on a public road. I am by no means proud of speeding, I don't generally enjoy being in a situation where I have put others at risk, but while on the roads I believe it is not the speed, but more so the ability of the person driving, to handle their vehicle at the speed they wish to drive at, which is the main problem.

(At last! Anybody else getting a delay on changing pages on NationStates? Must have been 3-5 minutes. Not had any issues with any other site, so probably not my machine/browser.)

To be completely honest, I have had 2 incidents while driving in the wet. Both of which I was doing under 40km/hr. One was coming over the crest of a hill, I tapped the brake the slow down a bit and somehow the car managed to fishtail and I spun out.

And a few weeks later on, I was approaching a round-a-bout in the wet, tapped the brake to slow down just a little bit more before the bend and I spun out again in the exact same manner as the last time.

No one is yet to explain how that happened as it managers fine everywhere. Most people have put it down to poor drainage. I don't know.One actual crash (greasy road, had rained and partly dried after a long dry spell, car in front stopped on a rise to allow someone to come out of a side-road, I never saw the brake lights, there may not have been any if they coasted to a halt or used the gears, I panicked, locked the brakes, submarined, wrote off my engine compartment (Rover Metro, nippy little thing, surprisingly crushable engine compartment) and did absolutely no damage to the similarly-small car I impacted, save for some abrasion of the bumper's underside, or myself, save for the "Doh!" factor and impact on the wallet), the occasional wing mirrors lost and two other outright losses of control I can think of (both round bends, I'm a sucker for greasy roads, it seems, especially when lulled by the manoeverability of the Metro I was in) but no other vehicles involved and just left in an awkward position on the roadway. So far (knock on wood) no accidents with the car I got to replace the written-off Metro several years back, but then I've probably nto stressed it as much (I've been up to 120MPH in a prior Metro, when I was young and foolish, and on the open road, but grown up since then).

And "meah" to the apostrophe. I consider the usage correct, given that I have ommited letters. I'm a bit of a grammer and spelling watchdog myself but sometimes I just can't be bothered being precise all the time.So "Auto's" is "Automatics" contracted. A novel defence that I don't totally accept. ;) And I'm not a full-time pedant, I explained why I made the coment I did...
(Oh, and it's "roundabout", not "round-a-bout".:cool:)

(Oh, and it's "roundabout", not "round-a-bout".:cool:)
You can blame my ex-gf for that one. One of her bad habits which rubbed off on me. I've only really used it to tease her about how she used to spell some words since her spelling has since improved a fair bit. But you know how it is, sometimes things just slip out :D

I think this teen won't be allowed to forget this accident for a long time. Turns out the car he smashed is his father's, who only bought it a few weeks ago. Lets just say when his Dad arrived at the accident scene, he wasn't happy.


I can understand he wouldn't be happy per se, but if he just bought the car it's fully insured, no one was seriously injured. Pay the deductable and rejoice that it wasn't more serious.