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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/05/21/indonesia.porn.ap/index.html
Huge anti-porn rally in Jakarta
Proposed law would ban kissing in public

Sunday, May 21, 2006; Posted: 3:22 a.m. EDT (07:22 GMT)

JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) -- Tens of thousands of conservative Muslims rallied in the Indonesian capital Sunday in support of a proposed anti-pornography bill that critics say would chip away at the country's secular traditions.

The protesters, who arrived in buses organized by mosques and conservative Islamic groups, urged parliament to immediately pass the bill, that in its current form would ban kissing in public -- as well as erotic poetry, dancing, drawing, writing, photos and film.

Organizers said 1 million people would attend the demonstration. Turnout appeared far less than that, perhaps 100,000, but it was still one of the largest shows of force by conservative Islam in recent years.

"Pornography is part of the culture of the West and the unbelievers," said demonstrator Choirul Hassan. "They are exporting this to Indonesia to destroy a whole generation of Muslim youth. They must be stopped."

Some demonstrators carried banners calling for the imposition of Islamic law in the country, which is home to some 190 million Muslims -- more than any other country in the world -- but also has significant Christian, Hindu and Buddhist minorities.

"Ban pornography and stop the sex industry," they shouted. "Down with liberalism and secularism," read one banner in support of the bill, which has become a rallying call for the country's growing hardline fringe.

The bill, which was originally drafted in 1999 following the downfall of ex-dictator Suharto, is facing opposition from nationalist lawmakers, who form a majority in the house, and is unlikely to pass as in its current form.

Those opposed to the bill include the country's minority faiths, liberal Muslim groups, artists and several outlying regions which fear their traditional dances and culture may be criminalized.

They note the country already has laws banning pornography, and say that the police should simply enforce them better.

Basicly there is a law on the table that would ban all forms of things considered Explict. Which includes kissing of all things also.
What's stupid is that there already is an Anti-Porn Law in Indonesia.
Sounds like the slippery slope to Sharia law in Indonesia.

Nooo! Not The Porn! Save The Porn!!

Please won't somebody think of the porn stars? ;)

And those of us who like to kiss, and write poetry. Yeah. That was interesting.

Check Google Trends of Indonesian porn searches. I imagine it'll be quite high.

This puts the American anti-Islamic lobby in a real fix. They don't like porn, and they don't like Muslims, so whose side to take?

Not to worry, Dutch repressive kolonial law is still used to hush anti government media. They don't need a sharia


-proud to be dutch........

Liezzz! It's all teh West's fault! As usual!

This puts the American anti-Islamic lobby in a real fix. They don't like porn, and they don't like Muslims, so whose side to take?

Both. You blame repressive sharia laws for giving pornography an illicit appeal and hence Islam has just corrupted society, or something.

Oh possibly you just don't comment on the issue, and piss off nobody.

"Pornography is part of the culture of the West and the unbelievers," said demonstrator Choirul Hassan. "They are exporting this to Indonesia to destroy a whole generation of Muslim youth. They must be stopped."

Yep. Cause if Muslim youth learned about the existance of sex they might... Wait a minute? Wouldn't not having sex defiinately destroy the next generation? Give me a minute. I have to go check my biology texts and see if this crazy idea is right.

Thank God that muslims never write anything pornographic. I mean that filth that Al Khansaa wrote in the 7th century wasn't porn, that was just erotica.

Infidels! Everyone knows that Porn comes from God! :D

I'm glad that Islamic people are finally cracking down on porn such as the filth that can be found in A thousand and one Arabian Nights. Curse those perverted Westerners and their smut!

Check Google Trends of Indonesian porn searches. I imagine it'll be quite high.

Fairly normal: http://www.google.com/trends?q=i&ctab=1&geo=ID&date=all

Oh and thank god it wasnt the LIBERAL Indonesian Muslims rallying against porn.

Fairly normal: http://www.google.com/trends?q=i&ctab=1&geo=ID&date=all

Oh and thank god it wasnt the LIBERAL Indonesian Muslims rallying against porn.

Fair enough.

See, this is why I favor Western interventionism.

Right now, were I in charge of, say, a French or British Air Force unit, dropping out a few thousand REALLY EXPLICIT leaflets on this rally would kick major ass.

I've never understood why people who are against Islamic people coming into their country don't engage in gay sex in the streets to discourage them.

I thought that was the point of the Gay Parades?:D

See, this is why I favor Western interventionism.

Right now, were I in charge of, say, a French or British Air Force unit, dropping out a few thousand REALLY EXPLICIT leaflets on this rally would kick major ass.

The Dutch already interfere with Kolonial laws. And no it wouldn't "kick major ass" it'd more "start a fucking riot".

The Dutch already interfere with Kolonial laws. And no it wouldn't "kick major ass" it'd more "start a fucking riot".


Attempting to care... failing...

Attempting to care... failing...

Attempting to give this a witty response... not worth it...

You're missing my point, it seems.

I've never understood why people who are against Islamic people coming into their country don't engage in gay sex in the streets to discourage them.
I think you're on to something here.

Porn is unnecessary anyway. If Indonesians want to ban porn, I don't see a problem.

I've never understood why people who are against Islamic people coming into their country don't engage in gay sex in the streets to discourage them.

Because it probably won't discourage some Islamic people and the Muslim haters probably fear teh gheys as well.

Porn is unnecessary anyway. If Indonesians want to ban porn, I don't see a problem.
It's a matter of concern because the consequences of a theocracy in Indonesia would be huge.

Because it probably won't discourage some Islamic people and the Muslim haters probably fear teh gheys as well.
Yes, some of the more ardent Muslims will probably see us as "even more in need of conversion" if we do this street sex thing.

Porn is unnecessary anyway. If Indonesians want to ban porn, I don't see a problem.
UNNECESSARY?! UNNECESSARY?!!!! UN-NECESS-FUCKING-SSARY?! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! *shoot himself*

Yes, some of the more ardent Muslims will probably see us as "even more in need of conversion" if we do this street sex thing.

Well there's that and the [probably a minority] of lefty and/or liberal Muslims. This lot being over-represented in the student population in Manchester.

You cannot defeat the porn. As long as they still have the interweb they'll have an infinite source of porn.

You cannot defeat the porn. As long as they still have the interweb they'll have an infinite source of porn.
That's next on their list. It's too Jewish for their tastes.

That's next on their list. It's too Jewish for their tastes.


Mmmm...Jewish pr0n.

Mmmm...Jewish pr0n.
"Marty, toin over, your hurting my leg!"
"I'm trying, don't yell at me women!"
"Marty, you're hoiting my leg!"
"You shouldnta gone on that trip then!"
"You told me to."
"I suggested it"
"Oh, you're senile, you don't know what you're talkin' about!"

It's a matter of concern because the consequences of a theocracy in Indonesia would be huge.


So then your concern is with theocracy and ot banning porn? Up until 2005 the depiction of genitalia in motion was illegal in Norway, yet one would really really have to stretch the imagination to conclude that Norway must have been a theocracy up until 2005.

Mmmm...Jewish pr0n.
omg, they do this one thing with bagle, wow. Lets just say you have to see it to believe it. I

n seriousness though, Indonesia will suck if this goes through. What hell will there be to do there now?

omg, they do this one thing with bagle, wow. Lets just say you have to see it to believe it. I

n seriousness though, Indonesia will suck if this goes through. What hell will there be to do there now?
Leave?

omg, they do this one thing with bagle, wow. Lets just say you have to see it to believe it. I

n seriousness though, Indonesia will suck if this goes through. What hell will there be to do there now?
Pray to Allah of course.

porn is awesome possum. however, much like anything else in this world, a little too much of something isn't good for you.

omg, they do this one thing with bagle, wow. Lets just say you have to see it to believe it. I

n seriousness though, Indonesia will suck if this goes through. What hell will there be to do there now?

What's wrong? islam not working for you now? I'm surprised you haven't tried to pin this on the Jews.

Wow, the evil porn threatens their fragile minds? :rolleyes:

What's wrong? islam not working for you now? I'm surprised you haven't tried to pin this on the Jews.
Or on Christianity. Give him time. He will attempt it.

Isn't it ironical that almost all of the sexually conservative countries have way too much population density ?:p

Muslims being 88% of Indonesia's population won't buy that filth (porn) and I don't see any profits for the porn industry. Therefore, why would the porn industry try to be in the Indonesian market to begin with?

Muslims being 88% of Indonesia's population won't buy that filth (porn) and I don't see any profits for the porn industry. Therefore, why would the porn industry try to be in the Indonesian market to begin with?
Very progressive. :rolleyes: So if the industry hasn't got a market, why ban it anyway?

Very progressive. :rolleyes: So if the industry hasn't got a market, why ban it anyway?


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